Yup….Tea Party/Occupy Wall Street, same difference:
LOWER MANHATTAN — Dozens of people have volunteered for Occupy Wall Street’s sanitation team in the past few days, in the wake of Brookfield Properties’ threat to shut down Zuccotti Park to have it professionally cleaned.
But a handful of protesters are continuing to litter and refuse to help clean up, leaving the sanitation team frustrated as they battle the deluge of trash, several volunteers said.
“People just sit here — they think this is a vacation,” said Lauren Digioia, 26, from Clifton, N.J., a member of Occupy Wall Street’s sanitation team.
“This is an occupation. This is not a squatters’ paradise…. People want us to leave them alone, but they’re not doing it [cleaning] themselves.”
Digioia, who gave up her waitressing job in Times Square to join the protest, said she is tired of picking up other people’s cigarette butts, banana peels and plastic bottles filled with urine.
…”We work 24/7,” said Digioia, who sleeps in the sanitation area each night with the most devoted volunteers.
“We do lose sleep most of the time because the trash does not stop.”
But according to the article “it’s getting better”
OAKLAND — City officials said Tuesday they may have to shut down the Occupy Oakland tent city in coming days because it is attracting rats, alcohol and illegal drug use.
A pre-existing rat problem around Frank H. Ogawa Plaza, which public works employees are normally able to keep under control, has been exacerbated by the demonstrators’ presence, said city administrator spokeswoman Karen Boyd.
The problem “has gotten worse with all the food and people and couches,” Boyd said. Because the protest has people cycling in and out, she added, the city is having to repeat the message about how to store food and keep the area safe.
…This comes on the heels of increasing reports of illegal drug and alcohol abuse, fighting, and sexual harassment in and around the camp of about 100 tents, Boyd said. The protest has destroyed the grass lawn and it’s not clear yet how much the overall expense to the city will be.
I highly doubt there are any rats in New York tho…right?
Ok, maybe there ARE rats in New York….but there would never be any Nazi’s right?
Racial Comrades: I am going to address the issue of this “Occupy Wall Street” fervor that has been sweeping the land like a breath of cleansing air!
THE NATIVES ARE GETTING RESTLESS, AND ZOG FEARS IT MIGHT HAVE A POPULAR UPRISING ON ITS HANDS – finally!
This issue is TAYLOR MADE for National Socialists, as well as WN who are serious about DOING SOMETHING – MORE – than shouting “racial slurs” and acting like “poster boys of hate” loons.
After all – JUST WHO – are the WALL STREET BANKERS? The vast majority are JEWS – and the others are SPIRITUAL JEW materialists, who would sell their own mother’s gold teeth for a PROFIT. And MORE and MORE people are AWARE of this truth, are not only NOT afraid to TALK ABOUT IT – they’re shouting it on WALL STREET!
Well, if you have one group of racists you definitely need another to have a true party right? Here’s the singer/song writer extraordinaire at a recent rally in Boston…you may know him from the top 40 hit “Kill Whitey”
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CGCSRQoxHo[/youtube]
Or how about Cleveland:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO1Rh53WOCg[/youtube]
You know the party is happening when the Commies show up:
Non-violent of course:
Ok, well…at least this helping people stay employed:
Yup, same difference.
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That last video hit a nerve.
We also have a weekly open air organic market along with crafts every Friday.
It generates tons of money to the City.
Each fruit/veggie/food vendor pays rent.
Each vendor pays taxes on craft sales as well.
These business people would be up a creek financially if their area were co-opted by squatters.
Want the best corn, squash, poblano peppers, incense, honey, banana pudding, hummus and so on?
You have to go to one of these open-air markets!
I just can’t get over the number of people who have quit their jobs to join the OWS protests to complain about…
jobs.
Amazingly stupid.
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/397648/september-21-2011/wall-street-under-siege?xrs=share_copy
Occupy Wall Street Demographic Survey Results Will Surprise You
Apparently they’re not a bunch of unemployed hippie radicals, after all. The vast majority are currently employed, well-educated, and report fairly mainstream household income levels.
While 23.7% of the 1,619-person poll sample identified themselves as democrats, the great majority–70%–identified themselves as independents.
@ Cary
The two people of the three, count them…two people, were coherent with valid demands. On the other side of their demands though is this; the unions are able to donate mass amounts of money to politicians, why shouldn’t corporations be allowed the same right. Unions are composed of people, so are corporations.
That guy Gary is a real dolt, survey studies need statistical mean studies and ramdom trials to be considered accurate and unbiased. If certain results are desired just hire some lookers from the nearest strip joint, tell the girls to dress modestly, give them a clip board with pages of the survey questions instructing them to approach men over forty. If the survey questions have anything to do with human relations the survey will produce the engineered results. The same goes with poorly educated angry white kids; they all have college, they all want to make a difference, they all got good grades, and they all believe thinking studies out weigh the importance of studying engineering or a hard science. Never listening or watching on the tellie, I prefer to read the remarks made by Barack “Barry” O’BlastingCap and always, with help from the TOTUS, his pervailing deep seeded attitude is anger of the most perverse nature which leads me sincerely believe he is evil.
Still fighting the Cold War? Conservatives are quick to jump on the bandwagon without regard to relevant statistics.
@Aqua: He was making a point through comedy. (that the media can show you whatever they want to make whatever point they choose.) Comedy works in threes. In fact, if one wants to make a point that sticks at all, the rule of three is an essential tool…
@Liberal1 (objectivity): Still fighting the war against liberal stupidity of which you are a charter memeber my friend. While you demonstrate men fight for your freedom to act like an idiot. The irony of it is that your smug intellectual attitude counts for less than zero when it comes down to the reality of life. I would tell you to grow up but then again I am a conservative and realize a hopeless case.
@ Cary
Point taken, but conservatives pretty much know this already. The media is one of the problems. We no longer have (many) true journalists.
When a tornado blows through a southern town, who do they interview? Some redneck with half his teeth missing and a wife-beater shirt.
And for the record, what little coverage the Tea Party received was way more negative than OWS. Remember this:
Occupy Wall Street….You Know it’s a Party when the Rats, Racists & Commies Show Up. Or just another day in the life’s of the prog community organizers.
Oh and Greg, those people were surveyed. That means they were asked if they work and they said yes. Let me spoonfeed you an idea. Could they be lying? Not saying they are, but they could be in order to avoid the deadbeat loser tag.
@Aqua: So it seems we’re on the same page in this area. Now, do you think the “they did it to us, so we’ll let them do it them too.” rhetoric is a strong, valid argument?
Kalle Lasn is the co-founder of Adbusters, the Canadian corporation that is the brains and organizational savvy behind Occupy Wall Street et al. (You can see some documentation of this at adbusters.org’s “Campaigns” page.) His book, Culture Jam, makes fascinating reading. He describes himself as an anarchist and neo-Luddite, among other things. If you want to know what OWS is about, he has a way more coherent vision than most of the boots on the ground seem to. Don’t buy the book, but if you can find it at the library (I did) it’s a real eye-opener.
@Greg:
Regarding the survey. Let’s seperate website visitors from the actual street protesters. Have you seen and been to an OWS campsite? My eyes don’t lie.
NPR host doubling as ‘Occupy DC’ spokesperson fired from syndicated radio program
Lisa Simeone was fired Wednesday evening after being caught violating NPR’s ethics code by acting as a spokesperson for OWS.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/19/npr-host-a-spokeswoman-for-occupy-d-c-possible-ethics-violation/
She is still hosting NPR’s “World of Opera,” show.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-radio-host-fired-from-show-after-npr-questions-her-involvement-in-dc-protest/2011/10/20/gIQALtkG0L_print.html
See also:
http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/19/npr-in-conversations-on-how-to-handle-ethics-violation/
@Greg, your poll links are truly a joke. 1619 people who filled out a questionaire on the Occupy Wall Street website? Get serious…. most who cyber traveled there, and bothered to fill out a questionaire were already supporters. And how do you know it wasn’t 400 people who filled it out four times?
puleeeze…
Oh yes, did you miss that 24% of all of those who filled it out never went to a OWS rally? That over 64% were under the age of 35? Considering the high percentage of unemployed, and apparently uninterested college students, it’s not surprising they didn’t break down the categories of those who “has some college, a college degree, or a graduate degree”. I’d say that “some college” would have been the overwhelming winner. And if they got off their tushes and returned to class, they might actually get a degree.. tho they still won’t want to pay for the student loan.
Of course, this unscientific and unsubstantiated “poll” took place while the movement was in it’s infancy. And I’d say that, since then, the overt behavior of the protestors has done wonders proving they don’t resemble the responsible citizenry of this nation in the least.
OWS is nothing more than the Marxists, Obama loves so much coming out of the closet. They will spoil for a fight, get it and lose. Wouldn’t want to be them when that comes to pass.
Greg wants us to believe that people who camp out for weeks at a time have jobs. Riiiiight. A few days or maybe a week, but not weeks.
Anymore I think greg posts here just to throw leftist propaganda in our faces.
@ Cary
Never said it was. I do find it interesting that for the first time that I can remember, a non-conservative movement is getting the same treatment that a conservative movement does and they’re complaining.
I’m sure there are a lot of people there with the right intentions, but there are just as many there that are out for the experience.
Howie Carr in the Boston Herald slays the hypocrisy of the OWS people.
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OWS demands ”open borders,” so here is irony.
Those ”bums” are exercising their right to go here or there freely!
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One more:
Corporate greed. …….
I thought it was ”each according to his need.”
Mr. Carr finishes with a lesson yet to come.
What with all the open tables of food and the squalor he is betting the OWS’ers will soon get an education from the Norway rats.
Heh.
@Aqua: I agree. Yes, there are some freaks there. I’m not complaining about what the media is doing so much as I’m trying to point out what the media is doing to a number of folk who it seems should know what the media is doing! The freaks sell papers/ get ratings. The corporate sponsors fund the media outlets. The folk at FA are intelligent enough to put all of these things together, yet there is post after post disparaging the movement as a whole, citing the freaks the media puts out. There are ALWAYS freaks present, and negatives to focus on. But there are also LOTS of intelligent, furious people who are participating as members of democracy who demand their voices be heard, and other ways haven’t worked. What you see/hear is all about what you choose to focus on. You guys would know that better than anyone.
@MataHarley: Mata, the Blood-Kool Aid ratio is far to high to have any impact on Greg. 0-bama could be the devil incarnate and Greg would find a way to dispute the evidence as 0-bama sticks a pitch fork up his you know what!!
@ Cary
So we can agree on some things as far as the media is concerned. I agree, the media is going to pick whatever sells best.
Now we get to the protest itself. Let’s take the two coherent guys in Cobert’s piece. They want political money to be clean money, get the corporations out of campaign finance. As long as labor unions are allowed to contribute, corporations must be allowed to contribute. The are no different. Definition of a labor union: an organization of workers formed for the purpose of advancing its members’ interests in respect to wages, benefits, and working conditions.
Definition of a corporation: an association of individuals, created by law or under authority of law, having a continuous existence independentof the existences of its members, and powers and liabilities distinct from those of its members.
Both are comprised of individual seeking advancement of their interests.
Now for the bank executives. You made a comment in an earlier thread about a stop sign and some people obeying the law and others not. The reason there are no financial executives being arrested is because it would completely expose the laws congress pass that allowed this. A lot of people are calling for more regulations, congressional laws and regulations are what caused all of this.
But I haven’t heard about OWS marching on Immelt’s home. GE CEO that has sent thousands of jobs oversees and paid zero corporate taxes last year. Why is that?
@Aqua: You may scoff at the source, but this will further illustrate my point. You can disagree with the politics all you want, and if the movement has achieved anything, it’s a greater national dialogue, which is a good start. But to dismiss and disparage all of the protesters (this is not directed at you, Aqua) in one broad sweep as some have done here, doesn’t benefit anyone at all.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-boykin/occupy-wall-street-media_b_1019707.html
One of the agenda items I see both on the original OWS site and locally is the ”forgive student loans,” item.
Well, sure.
It is just a TRILLION dollars!
Let’s just forget about it.
Not going to happen.
Financial expert Mark Kantrowitz noted that student borrowing now exceeds all credit-card debt.
http://www.fastweb.com/financial-aid/articles/2589-total-college-debt-now-exceeds-total-credit-card-debt
In fact, student debt is doubling every seven years or so, growing much faster than credit-card balances, home-mortgage obligations, or commercial loans!
And why?
We have an entire UNION-driven business (education) churning out high school graduates who are hopelessly propaganized to believe that they will never succeed without ”that piece of paper,” called a college diploma.
Only 60% of all college student graduate inside of 6 years.
But what are those college grads doing?
19,000 of them are parking-lot attendants.
80,000 of them are bartenders.
Over 300,000 of them are restaurant waiters and waitresses.
One thing Obama preached when he was running for office was the idea of trade education.
I 100% agree with him.
But the private sector could have handled it if he hadn’t meddled with his stimulus classes in window insulation that frittered away millions for no jobs.
We do need nurse’s aids and dental assistants, truck drivers and plumbers.
And plenty more.
And not one of these needs to waste tens of thousands getting (or trying to get) a college degree.
Now, how do we get these UNION teachers to quit with the false meme that all their students must go to college (where tenured professors will ignore them)?
One thing is sure: if you want to get more of a behavior, reward it.
That’s why it is the height of stupidity to even entertain the idea of forgiving student loans.
@Cary: For what it’s worth, here is hopefully some constructive criticism.
What you guys need to do is clarify what you stand for and soon. You have been endorsed by the CPUSA and the American NAZI Party and no one has publicly denounced these endorsements. I’ve been to two different OWS web sites listing OWS demands. One being the official site, the other being http://www.occupywallstreetdemands.com. The former has a member calling for such things as a $20 an hour minimum wage, open borders, forgiveness of all debts, and free education. This goes hand in hand with the CPUSA and the NAZI platform. The latter has a list of demands calling for following the Constitution, closed borders, stricter enforcement of immigration laws, making Social Security optional, reforming the tax code, no more bailouts, and more aggressive investigations of political and corporate crime. Which is it? Hint: the latter will resonate with the majority of the American people while the latter will resonate only with the fringe left. Until your organization clarifies its positions, it will continue to come across as either a bunch of whiners who just want to complain or a left wing fringe movement.
New Yorkers who live near the park where anti-Wall Street protesters have been camping out for more than a month met at a community board meeting, a representative panel that helps funnel local concerns to city officials.
They complained that the OWS’ers are bad neighbors.
There is urinating all over their properties,
there is drumming long into every night,
there is defecating on porches of homes,
there is harassing of residents as they take their children to school or go to work in the mornings,
there is an overall loss in the quality of their lives.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/news/nation/2011/10/nyc-residents-complain-about-occupy-protesters
The OWS’ers are also getting upset about the unions trying to take over or co-opt the movement.
this even though the unions are ”helping” by bringing in toilets, foods and union-id’ing T-shirts and hats.
@Cary: You said:
I for one am not really disputing that, but if these folks are so intelligent, why pray tell are they not protesting in front of the Capitol Building or the White House? Are not those the places from whence the “evil rich corporations and banks” get the tax loopholes and such??
OWS’ers are recreating the very system they are protesting!
Did you know their drummers are forced to ”donate” to the ”committee” up to1/2 of their tips?
Organizers try to limit and tax drummers:
The organizers VS the organized:
Much more here:
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/occupy_animal_farm_the_organiz.html
It looks like a few of these occupiers are being mugged by reality and will leave as conservatives!
RATS ON WALL STREET NEW FILM ON TRADE WAR