23 Aug

Have The “Rebels” Won In Libya? Not So Fast…..

                                       

Sure doesn’t sound like the “rebels” have won

A nervous limbo, punctuated by gunfire, took hold of Libya’s capital Monday, one day after opponents of Col. Moammar Gadhafi rolled triumphantly into the central square here—damping hopes by rebels and their international allies that the strongman’s supporters would melt away.

Machine-gun and antiaircraft fire could be heard throughout the day in Tripoli, as residents said loyalist gunmen had taken up positions in several neighborhoods. Rebels who attempted to turn an old police academy into their military headquarters quickly came under heavy fire, sending a stream of casualties to a makeshift clinic.

Green Square, where rebel troops had celebrated Sunday after marching largely unopposed into Col. Gadhafi’s stronghold capital, appeared to be a no man’s land. Roads leading to the square were made impassable by what locals said were loyalist snipers.

Amid the uncertainty, one of Col. Gadhafi’s sons, thought to have been captured by the rebels a day earlier, showed up at a Tripoli hotel and invited foreign journalists on a tour of the city.

The scenes in Tripoli bucked the day’s widening international sentiment that forces loyal to Col. Gadhafi, who has ruled the oil-rich Mediterranean country for nearly 42 years, had been all but neutralized. Instead, the leader remained unaccounted for as fighting continued. The unease suggested instead that the regime’s end, while broadly expected, may bring more bloodshed, this time in a densely populated urban theater.

As I write this reports are that Gadhafi has given a speech on the radio….looks like civil war is not too far behind:

Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi said on Wednesday that his withdrawal from his Bab al-Aziziya headquarters was a “tactical move” after the compound was leveled by 64 NATO air strikes.

Speaking in an address on a local Tripoli radio station, which was reported by Al-Orouba TV, broadcasting in conjunction with Al-Rai TV, Gaddafi also vowed “martyrdom” or victory in his fight against NATO.

I’m hoping the scumbag is killed sooner rather than later, but I also have a feeling that the wake left after his death will be something other then rosy. These so called “Rebels” aren’t prepared for this, nor is NATO:

Six months after their revolt broke out, the day-to-day leadership of the anti-Qaddafi movement remains an unanswered question, with no figure emerging as the rebellion’s undisputed leader. Even the common struggle against Colonel Qaddafi never masked latent divisions between east and west, between political leaders and fractious militias, and, some say, between liberal public faces and Islamists in the rebel ranks.

The rebels from the western mountains who stormed into Tripoli on Sunday night often roll their eyes at their ostensible political leadership, the Transitional National Council, which is based in the eastern city of Benghazi…

…Even so, rivalries began emerging on Monday well before Tripoli was fully subdued, along with questions about the rebels’ credibility. Officials of the Transitional National Council in Benghazi said Sunday that their forces had captured Colonel Qaddafi’s son and would-be successor, Seif al-Islam el-Qaddafi. But then on Tuesday he appeared at a Tripoli hotel housing foreign journalists — moving freely around the city — and even before then some in Tripoli appeared not to trust their Benghazi leadership to handle him.

And if and when these “rebels” do take over…who are they loyal to?

Less than four years before Libya’s popular opposition movement took up arms and revolted against Moammar Gadhafi with enthusiastic U.S. backing, anti-Gadhafi fighters chose another tactic to hit back at the hated dictator: they joined al Qaeda and tried to kill American soldiers in Iraq, according to U.S. documents.

In 2007 the U.S. Department of Defense snatched more than 600 records of al Qaeda’s foreign fighters in Iraq and discovered nearly a fifth of the foreigners were from Libya, according to a report by West Point’s Combating Terrorism Center released later that year. Within those records, the total put Libya second only to Saudi Arabia in total fighters and “far and away” the largest provider of foreign fighters per capita to the terrorist organization.

Almost all of the Libyan fighters hailed from the east — cities like Benghazi, effectively the current opposition headquarters; Ajdabiya, which was the site of intense fighting overnight; and Derna, a city currently held by the rebels.

“The Libyan pipeline to Iraq,” the report says, “is firmly established.”

The report ties the surge of Libyan recruits to a formal pledge of allegiance to al Qaeda by a major anti-Gadhafi group in 2007.

And now they have a mass supply of weapons:

No one can be sure who controls the Libyan government’s weapons stockpiles, a stew of deadly chemicals, raw nuclear material and some 30,000 shoulder-fired rockets that officials fear could fall into terrorists’ hands in the chaos of Muammar al-Qaddafi’s downfall or afterward.

One immediate worry, U.S. intelligence and military officials say, is that Qaddafi might use the weapons to make a last stand. But officials also face the troubling prospect that the material, which was left under Qaddafi’s control by a U.S.-backed disarmament pact, could be obtained by Al Qaeda or other militants even after a rebel victory is secured.

…A cache of hundreds of tons of raw uranium yellowcake is stored at a small nuclear facility east of the capital.

As I wrote earlier, I’m hoping that Gadhafi’s reign is over….but worried at what will take its place. That worry was well placed in Egypt and Pakistan. And now it’s Libya’s turn.

As far as the war itself, I will leave you with a quote from Mata:

all the Arab nations of the world have made note that to be friends with Obama’s US is to mean they invade your sovereign territory (Pakistan), he will throw you over the side to the sharks (Egypt, Yemen, Israel, and attempted in Bahran). But if you remain our enemy he will leave you alone (Syria, Iran, Somalia etal)

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Curt served in the Marine Corps for four years and has been a law enforcement officer in Los Angeles for the last 24 years.
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78 Responses to Have The “Rebels” Won In Libya? Not So Fast…..

  1. CHANGING subject, THAT hurricane must have long range access,
    because MONDAY we way north had big huge winds and big rains for the whole day. and today thursday the same big winds have returned,
    we are near the ATLANTIC OCEAN, NORTH ABOVE MAINE

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  2. Nan G says: 52

    Whether the ”rebels” have ”won” or not, it looks like the US involvement will be continuing.

    Washington Examiner:

    The bodies are scattered around a grassy square next to Moammar Gadhafi’s compound of Bab al-Aziziya.
    …..
    It is impossible to know who killed them, but the discoveries raise the disturbing specter of mass killings of noncombatants, detainees and the wounded.
    …..
    One had an IV in his arm, and another body was completely charred, its legs missing.

    At least a dozen other bodies were found in a grassy area and a canal nearby. Several of the dead had been shot in the head, with their hands tied behind their backs. A body in a doctor’s green hospital gown was found in the canal.
    …..

    One of the dead had a strip of cloth in bright green, the national color of Gadhafi’s Libya, tied around his wrist.
    The man was darker skinned than most Libyans. Gadhafi had recruited fighters from sub-Saharan Africa.

    Obama made it clear.
    We did not join in the fighting with NATO and our allies EXCEPT to protect innocent civilians from slaughter.
    By forces on either side.

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  3. YVAN, you are the one who come here and betray the CONSERVATIVES
    WHO are tolerant enough to allow you to comment against them ,
    and let you get away with more than you deserve.

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  4. Ivan says: 54

    @ilovebeeswarzone:

    YVAN, you are the one who come here and betray the CONSERVATIVES
    WHO are tolerant enough to allow you to comment against them ,

    So I should be banned because I speak the truth? Boehner, “cry baby”, was elected by “Conservatives” and he betrayed them.

    I, though, am the bad guy, not him. How dare I speak the truth!

    You see, you want me banned because I speak the truth. You’re no different than the liberals you detest.

    and let you get away with more than you deserve.

    Whatever.

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  5. Nan G says: 55

    Cook Partisan Voting Index

    The most Democratic congressional districts in the country are New York’s 15th and 16th at D+41, while the most Republican districts are Alabama’s 6th and Texas’s 13th with a PVI of R+29.

    John Boehner’s District is the 8th District of Ohio.
    It only ranks a R+14.

    Not exactly extreme.
    The 11th District of Ohio is a D+32.
    So, what does that make Rep. Fudge?

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  6. Ivan says: 56

    @Nan G:

    Nan, were you happy back in November of 2010 that the Republicans took the House?

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  7. Hard Right says: 57

    @Ivan:

    90%? Yet another number you pulled out of your butt. FYI, I have criticized the GOP and displayed my disgust with their spending, gutlessness, and abandonment of principle. My goal is to help reform the GOP not give up and hand everything to the dems. If you have a problem that, tough shite.
    Then again, since you are a dem I know you don’t want us to fix the problem.

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  8. Nan G says: 58

    @Ivan:

    Move the goalposts….much?

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  9. YVAN, I didn’t say I want you ban, I just want you to get of anyone
    on the opposit side of the DEMOCRATS, they are the one that must be gone at the next 2012 NOVEMBER
    so get in line with that goal,
    every one say, it will be the most important election of AMERICA,
    so for AMERICA we must win.
    we cannot afford having the negatives against the side along with us,
    that should be clear enough,

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  10. Ivan says: 60

    @Hard Right:

    My goal is to help reform the GOP not give up and hand everything to the dems.

    Dems = Republicans = massive government spending.

    In 30 years I’ve been voting Republican I’ve seen the Republicans move in one direction: MORE GOVERNMENT SPENDING.

    Tell me, did you vote for the Republicans in 2010? If you did you helped put in office people who voted for BIGGER GOVERNMENT.

    How’s that reform working for you?

    Man they really have you by the short ones.

    If you have a problem that, tough shite.
    Then again, since you are a dem I know you don’t want us to fix the problem.

    Calling me a “Dem” doesn’t make me a Dem. I despise them, but I know they didn’t betray me: The REPUBLICANS DID.

    You, obviously are comfortable with said betrayal.

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  11. YVAN, how can you live in the past, and forget the present GOVERNMENT which has betrayed you more than you’ll never feel it. they are in power now, not the other, and they where a majority while PRESIDENT BUSH WAS IN POWER, THE DEMOCRATS HAD THE HIGH HAND ON EVERY BILL TO PASS, AND SWINDLE THEIR OWN INSIDE THE BILLS,
    THAT IS BETRAYING THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED THEM AND THOSE WHO ELECTED THE PRESIDENT BUSH WHO WAS UNABLE TO STOP THEM BECAUSE THEY HAD MAJORITY BEHIND THE DOOR. AND THE FUTURE IS GOING TO HIT YOU IN THE FACE IF YOU KEEP THAT STAND AND LET THE DEMOCRATS LIVE FOR ANOTHER TERM, YOU THINK IT;S BAD NOW,
    HOW ABOUT WHAT IS TOLD FOR THE FUTURE,
    OBAMA SAID IT, I will change AMERICA FOREVER,
    WELL HELL NO, AMERICA WILL CHANGE THE DEMOCRATS FOREVER.
    LET’S GET WORKING ON IT,

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  12. I just read that; PERRY ALREADY picking up ENDORSMENTS;
    SENATOR JIM INHOFE WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO ENDORSE HIM MONDAY COMING,
    HE SAID; he has the best chance toof any to defeat OBAMA.
    from FOX NEWS BY tulsaworld.com

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  13. Nan G says: 63

    @ilovebeeswarzone:
    Add Kinky Friedman, too.

    Kinky for Perry
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/24/kinky-friedman-rick-perry-s-got-my-vote.html

    “He is not only a good sport, he is a good, kindhearted man, and he once sat in on drums with ZZ Top.
    A guy like that can’t be all bad.
    When I ran for governor of Texas as an independent in 2006, the Crips and the Bloods ganged up on me.
    When I lost, I drove off in a 1937 Snit, refusing to concede to Perry.
    Three days later Rick called to give me a gracious little pep talk, effectively talking me down from jumping off the bridge of my nose.
    Very few others were calling at that time, by the way.
    Such is the nature of winning and losing and politicians and life.
    You might call what Rick did an act of random kindness.
    Yet in my mind it made him more than a politician, more than a musician; it made him a mensch. ”

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  14. Nan G, yes quite a nice revelation on another facade of RICK PERRY, coming from a previous OPPONENT,
    and it tell of KINKY FRIEDMAN GOOD NATURE AND OWN STANDARD VALUES OF THE PERSONS HE MEET IN HIS LIFE, and the respect he hold them accountable on it, for the future of this AMERICA,
    which need a guy like that, all brains mixed with heart and soul. and passionate about his love for AMERICA

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  15. MataHarley says: 65

    @Ivan the intolerable sez: 100% doesn’t mean I agree 100% with him on the issues, Mata who can only engage in name calling and can’t refute my arguments.

    Duh.

    It means he has, in the past, received my backing 100%.

    Oh… I see now you add “in the past” to qualify your predictable backpeddle. LOL Truth is always so inconvenient for you, isn’t it, Ivan?

    And BTW, INRE “insults”, why don’t you go back and read your comments #s 14, 15, 19 and 20 (for starters…), Mr. Pot meets Kettle. Suggest you stand in front of a mirror when you do.

    Ivan… yet again: The real problem is guys like you and Mata who keep giving “Conservative” Republicans a pass on their betrayal.

    Ya know, we’ve been thru this before. But like I said, with your onset of alzheimers, I guess it slips your mind. Or else, more likely, you just prefer to stay with your blather simply because you seem to get a charge out of being a lying SOS, and have no honor.

    Speaking of “honor”… how is it that Aye phrases it? Oh yes… you have some clean up for your lies and false accusations to do on aisle 13. Not, however, that I expect you to do so. This, of course, ties in quite nicely with your comment to Ms. Bees #54.

    I’ll give Ivan this, tho. He has been consistent in demonstrating that he is, and will always be, just a bitter, unfocused man with no solutions, who simply likes to listen to himself whine. And, I will repeat, will always continue to be a waste of bandwidth.

    Now that you’ve figured out you really aren’t “100% Buchanan”, Ivan… which, of course, could be directly related to your inability to do simple math fractions…. you may want to alter your diatribes. Not that any of us care, of course. You’re just a convenient whipping post for the FA readers when they feel the need to punch a hanging, inert stuffed bag. We all need a bit of bas relief and entertainment, you know.

    Ms. Bees, #53… you really have to remember to shave down communication to Ivan in simple terms. Hyperventilation is his normal mode, so if you say something, he’ll be taking it to a negative extreme. That’s because his second normal button in the “on” position is always negative… and hateful. i.e. he leaps to “banning” from your comment. He’d so love Curt to “ban” him so he has more to whine about…. LOL

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  16. Ivan says: 66

    @ilovebeeswarzone:

    PRESIDENT BUSH WAS IN POWER, THE DEMOCRATS HAD THE HIGH HAND ON EVERY BILL TO PASS, AND SWINDLE THEIR OWN INSIDE THE BILLS,
    THAT IS BETRAYING THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED THEM AND THOSE WHO ELECTED THE PRESIDENT BUSH WHO WAS UNABLE TO STOP THEM BECAUSE THEY HAD MAJORITY BEHIND THE DOOR.

    Liar. The Republicans held the Senate and House from 1/2003 till 1/2007.

    Go back, Liar, and tell me how many spending bills poor, little, helpless President Bush vetoed.

    You’re a liar.

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  17. Ivan says: 67

    @MataHarley:

    And BTW, INRE “insults”, why don’t you go back and read your comments #s 14, 15, 19 and 20 (for starters…), Mr. Pot meets Kettle. Suggest you stand in front of a mirror when you do.

    But I’m not the one pissing and moaning about “poor debating skills” like you have been doing!

    You started it, Mrs. Insult. You just can’t take the heat.

    GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN.

    Wait, strike that last comment, that is where you belong!

    HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Nailed you.

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  18. Ivan says: 68

    @MataHarley:

    Now that you’ve figured out you really aren’t “100% Buchanan”, Ivan…

    100% meant I support his running for President, l##@a. You attempt to obfuscate and distract; typical liberal.

    Go back to Democratic Underground, Mata l##@a.

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  19. Ivan says: 69

    @ilovebeeswarzone:

    I just read that; PERRY ALREADY picking up ENDORSMENTS;
    SENATOR JIM INHOFE WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO ENDORSE HIM MONDAY COMING,
    HE SAID; he has the best chance toof any to defeat OBAMA.
    from FOX NEWS BY tulsaworld.com

    While Perry is better than Obama, that isn’t saying much, he’ll grow government, you mummy.

    Man it piles up so fast and high in this place you need wings to stay above it.

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  20. YVAN you call me liar, twice, so let go outside to fix that,
    I took that from a very credible person who was commenting here at FA, and her words are credible more than you’res, that is from the DEMOCRATS having to high hands on passing the bills which president BUSH had send, so there is no lies, there I heard it again not so long ago,
    what the DEMOCRATS WOULD DO TO GET THEIR WAY AND USED OTHER AS EXCUSE,
    IF IT DOESN T GO AS THEY PLANNED.

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  21. Ivan says: 71

    @ilovebeeswarzone:

    I took that from a very credible person who was commenting here at FA,

    Take your “Credible” source and place it you know where.

    The FACT is CONSERVATIVES controlled the US government lock, stock and barrel and you can’t even bring yourself to admit it, or admit you were wrong.

    Got some proof, liar? If so, present it. I presented mine.

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  22. Ivan says: 72

    @ilovebeeswarzone:

    having to high hands on passing the bills which president BUSH had send, so there is no lies, there I heard it again not so long ago,

    Wow, you are delusional. So the DEMOCRATS controlled CONGRESS from 2001 till 2007?

    And tell me how many SPENDING BILLS DID BUSH VETO???????????????????????????????

    Put up or shut up.

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  23. AND PERRY has more stuff in him to run the COUNTRY PROPERLY AS THIS SUPER COUNTRY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT COUNTRY OF THE WORLD,
    AND TO RUN IT YOU HAVE TO HAVE FOUGHT FOR IT’S FREEDOM, AND LEARNED TO DISCIPLINED YOURSELF
    YOU HAVE TO HAVE PLANTED SEED IN IT’S SOIL TO LEARN THE HUMBLE TASK OF WAITING FOR IT TO SPROUT WITHOUT FORCING IT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE RISE TO LEADERSHIP HIGH POSITIONS IN ORDER TO TEST YOUR JUDGEMENT CAPACITY TO OVERCOME THE NEGATIVES BY CHANGING IT TO POSITIVE,
    YOU HAVE TO SHOWN THAT YOU’RE A COMPASSIONATE PERSON EXTENDING YOUR HAND TO OTHER,
    YOU HAVE TO STAY THE LINE AND NOT SWAY IN DIFICULT TIMES AND STAND FOR WHAT’S RIGHT
    NO MATTER WHAT OR WHO OR WHEN OR HOW, AND YOU HAVE TO LOVE AMERICA AND HEAR THE CALL IF SHE NEED YOU TO COME OUT AND RISE TO CORRECT THE WRONG DONE TO DESTROY HER,
    HE DID IT

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  24. YVAN, I will not put up, and you ‘re going to shut up.
    you cannot imagine the DEMOCRATS GOING SO LOW,
    WELL JUST CHECK IT UP IF THEY DID NOT DESTROY THE EVIDENCE ALREADY,
    I STAND BY MY SOURCE WHICH DON’T LIE. NEVER DID.
    by the way, the CONSERVATIVES DON’T LIE, THEY ARE STRAIGHT SHOOTER AND LIVE BY THEIR WORDS,
    THAT IS THE TRUTH.
    PUT THAT IN YOU’RE COLLAR, AND DON’T FORGET IT.

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  25. Nan G says: 75

    Poor Ivan!
    I can just picture him sputtering and spittling.
    Still conflating the two concepts, Ivan?
    Conservatives are a small portion of people to the right of center.
    Republicans can include conservatives (fiscal and/or social) and not-so-conservative persons.
    Some Republicans, like Olympia Snowe, George Voinovich, Lincoln Chafee and Los Angeles mayor Richard Riordan and even CA ex-gov. Ahrnold are more centrist….sometimes perjoratively labeled as Rockefeller Republicans, Nixonians, even RINOs.

    But poor Ivan, lumps them all together , as ”conservatives.”
    I don’t think so.

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  26. Ivan says: 76

    @ilovebeeswarzone:

    YVAN, I will not put up, and you ‘re going to shut up.

    Of course you couldn’t produce evidence to support your claim.

    Typical “conservative”: All hat, no cattle.

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  27. MataHarley says: 77

    Oh my word…. some of you still wasting time and bandwidth on the pathetic Ivan? LOL Okay, must be a slow day in your lives.

    Let me point out that Ivan has correctly defined himself as the pathetic and unfocused lying sexist that he is with the below:

    @Ivan: But I’m not the one pissing and moaning about “poor debating skills” like you have been doing!

    You started it, Mrs. Insult. You just can’t take the heat.

    GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN.

    Wait, strike that last comment, that is where you belong!

    HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Nailed you.

    Thanks again for that stellar demonstration of your piss poor debating skills, Ivan. They do honestly give us a laugh. And oh yes… my condolences to your spouse. Does she know you’re a sexist pig? Or is this something you hold close to the bone you wish you had?

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  28. Ditto says: 78

    @MataHarley

    But now both NATO and the US is on the line. They picked a horse in the race (the rebels). If that horse wins, and is also scum, we are culpable and have made a situation considerably worse.

    Technically, as Congress never approved of US involvement in this “military action,” this one belongs to Obama & Europe, not the US.

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