Sad Day – 31 Troops, Many From Seal Team 6, Killed in Afghanistan

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A very sad for our country. 31 members of our country’s best were killed last night after they had assaulted a Taliban stronghold. It’s the single biggest lost of life, in one incident, in the 10 years we have been in Afghanistan.

In the deadliest day for American forces in the nearly decade-long war in Afghanistan, insurgents shot down a Chinook transport helicopter on Saturday, killing 31 Americans and 7 Afghan commandos on board, American and Afghan officials said. American officials said later Saturday that 22 of the dead were members of a Navy SEAL unit, along with other American servicemembers and the Afghan unit. The helicopter was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade in the Tangi Valley of Wardak Province to the west of Kabul, one coalition official said, though others said the exact weapon remained in question.

The Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack, which punctuated a surge of violence across the country, even as American and NATO forces begin a modest drawdown of troops. It occurred after a night raid, a tool that has been praised by American commanders as one of the most effective in the recent military offensive, though the raids have been heavily criticized by Afghan officials and civilians.

…There were conflicting accounts about when the helicopter went down. A spokesman for the Taliban, Zabiullah Mujahid, said insurgents shot down the helicopter around 11 p.m. Friday as it was starting an operation on a house where the militants were gathering in the Tangi Joyee region of the district of Saidabad in the eastern part of the province. Eight militants were killed in the fight, which continued after the helicopter fell, Mr. Mujahid said…

Gen. Abdul Qayum Baqizoy, police chief of Wardak, said the operation began around 1 a.m. Saturday as NATO and Afghan forces attacked a Taliban compound in Jaw-e-mekh Zareen village in the Tangi Valley. The firefight lasted at least two hours, the general said.

It appears that the Seal unit involved was Seal Team Six. The same unit that took down bin-Laden.

U.S. officials tell The Associated Press that they believe that none of the Navy SEALs who died in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan had participated in the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, although they were from the same unit that carried out the bin Laden mission.

Sources say that more than 20 Navy SEALs were among those lost in the crash in Afghanistan.

The operators from SEAL Team Six were flown by a regular Army crew. That’s according to AP military sources.

Another source says the team was thought to include 22 SEALs, three Air Force air controllers, seven Afghan Army troops, a dog and his handler, and a civilian interpreter, plus the helicopter crew.

My question is how the Taliban knew to hit this specific helicopter? Apparently there were up to half a dozen helicopters used during the raid. Were they all from Seal Team Six or were they tipped off on which chopper to bring down? It seems too coincidental that this would happen soon after taking out bin-Laden.

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Curt, my question is, who supplied them with the rocket launcher?

A. Iran
B. China
C. Russia

Who gave them the means to knock our chopper out of the sky?

How many more rocket launchers do they have?

May God watch over the families of our fallen warriors.

I’m just sick to my stomach. The sum total of their collective experience and training wiped out. I get the part of wanting boots on the ground, but sometimes, just bomb the piss out of them and let the locals clean up the mess.

@Skookum:

We did. Remember when we supplied the Mujahadin with the rocket launchers to knock Russian helicoptors out of the sky? Do you think those launchers have not fallen into the hands of the Taliban?

Better question: why are we still there? Do you really think we can fight a “civilized” war, worried about collateral damage and win? Do you think when we were bombing Dresden and Berlin and Tokoyo we were worried about the “collateral” damage or were we out to win?

We need to neutralize Afghanistan and blow anything off the map that tries to leave that nation and just let them kill themselves off. I am as big a hawk as anyone but I am sick of giving up Amerian lives for people that still crap on the ground.

The latest is that they are still calling it a crash and haven’t confirmed that it wasn’t downed by enemy fire although it sounds like that is what most likely happened. A very sad day. Hopefully those responsible paid the price.

Skook,

We definitely need to find out where it came from and if there are anymore. If a third party is starting to supply them with new weapons, they need to be held accountable before we lose more troops. It would also behoove us to find out if someone is fighting a proxy war against us.

another vet, don’t you get it? WE supplied them with the ability to knock helicopters out of the sky? Do you think those rocket launchers that were provided to the Northern Alliance just magically disintegrated when the Taliban defeated the Northern Alliance? Where do you think they went to? Some magic launcher in the sky heaven?

With the current ROE, we CAN’T win this war, no matter how brave, how dedicated, how intelligent our people are. The Afghanis breed like rabbits, have the mentality of common garden slugs and follow a Moon God that is going to give them 72 virgins when they die for him. If you can’t teach a people how to use toilet paper, how the hell are you going to teach them how to live in harmony when they have been killing each other for a millennium?

There is only one way to defeat the Taliban, and all other radical Muslims. Kill the hell out of them until they either stop fighting or are all dead. But as long as we are more interested in “hearts and minds” than we are in dead jihadists, this war is lost.

This was indeed sad news whenI heard this yesterday. According to this source, in addition to the Seals are others just as worthy of remembrance… the chopper crew of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment.

Tho NATO says there was enemy activity in the area, there is no confirmation of it being shot down, or an accident. Neither matters to our loss. May they RIP, my heartfelt condolences to the families, and my grateful thanks for their sacrifice for us.

@retire05: I know we supplied them with rocket launchers back then but that does not mean that the one they used to shoot the chopper down, if it was shot down, came from us. It could have been but we don’t know. The ones we gave them would be over 20 years old by now. If I recall, when we first went into Afghanistan one of the concerns was that the weapons we supplied them with, especially the SAM’s, would be used against our troops. At that time we were told that whatever weapons/munitions they would have been given would no longer be effective. We could have been fed a load of crap too.

Totally agree with your take on the ROE. My opinion on that is either fight to win or get the hell out.

another vet, Charlie Wilson was well meaning, but there comes a time when you have to accept that sometimes you just can’t train a pit bull to be a lap dog.

The deaths of our military in Afghanistan is senseless. We cannot win with the current ROEs. Instead, we worry about changing the minds of people who have crap stains running down the back of their pants, who view rape as a punishment because some woman decided to peek out from underneath her bee keeper costume, and let’s not forget the bacha bazi.

We need to kill them all or let them kill each other. It makes me really angry when we lose soldiers who are brave, honest men/women when it is all poltical Kabuki for Obama.

@Skookum:

Curt, my question is, who supplied them with the rocket launcher?

RPGs go back as far as December of 1978, if not longer.

Non-issue I see it. If it turns out to be a MANPAD then we have a different ball game.

@MataHarley:

there is no confirmation of it being shot down, or an accident. Neither matters to our loss

Confirmed as a shoot-down.

Links to the latest news and source, please, Ivan. There’s nothing about you that’s credible, based on your history here. Sorry… you brung it on yourself.

RPGs as mentioned go back to at least the Vietnam era. MANPADs…not so much.

Godspeed to our fallen and may God protect those in harm’s way.

Something just doesn’t jive with me on this. We have many anti-american muslim serving for Obama-could a leak come from them? This needs a closer look!
31 of our finest are dead, and for what???

May God bless them, and their families, they needs our help more than ever before!

Another story says this was a rescue team trying to get to other SEAL members. I don’t think they were tipped off. I think the helicopter got too close to the firefight (the range of an RPG is 1,100 meters) and was most likely flying straight toward the shooter in the daylight. The RPG hit the cockpit (the only place it could hit the chopper to bring it down) and the CH-47 went down. The first time this happened, 16 SOF died as a result of getting too close to a mountain with enemy bunkers while trying to do a rescue mission in daylight. The CH-47 has had the worst record in Afghanistan with 29 crashes of which 10 were by hostile fire. The blackhawk had 16 crashes with 4 being the result of hostile fire.

Obama’s Chest Thumper Killing Fields

The murder of Sheik bin Laden and other Muslim terrorists by Barack Hussein Obama has now ushered in an evening of the score as Obama’s boasting, wild eyes, smirking and chest thumping in “He killed bin Laden personally”, has wiped out the lives of American and Afgahnistan Special Operations Forces in over 30 dead.

This blog will exclusively take this apart and inform you what no one else will as this was Barack Obama and Leon Panetta trying to put trophies on the wall, Obama for his political 2012 numbers and Panetta trying to prove he is capable at Defense playing with the big boys.

First the Taliban quote in the puzzle:

Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid said in a statement that Taliban fighters downed the helicopter during a “heavy raid” in Sayd Abad. He said NATO attacked a house in Sayd Abad where insurgent fighters were gathering Friday night. During the battle, the fighters shot down the helicopter, killing 31 Americans and seven Afghans, he said, adding that eight insurgents were killed in the fight.

Next why the “heavy raid”:

The Taliban claimed they downed the helicopter with rocket fire while it was taking part in a raid on a house where insurgents were gathered in the province of Wardak late Friday.

This blog gave Bush43 and Cheney hell for wasting special forces lives in these damned box canyon political show raids, and Obama is guilty of an even greater atrocity here in murdering Americans and Afghani’s BECAUSE THIS WAS NOT ABOUT KILLING THE ENEMY, this was about capturing someone at this gathering.

I will state this again so you get this……………THIS WAS AN OBAMA AND PANETTA SHOW STUNT AGAIN just like Obama by passing the CIA Directorate and using DOD to send in the Obama SEALS to murder Sheik bin Laden all for political gain.

SOMEONE WAS IN THAT HOUSE and Obama and Panetta wanted absolute proof of another one of these “buried at sea events”, so Obama could chest thump before America about his murdering someone again.

How’s that damned cheering now treating the American dead there Mark Levin? All of you pathetic blood lust idiots who cheered bin Laden being murdered INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON THE OBAMA CRIME, so it would put a check on this, have now just gotten 31 Americans murdered in Afghanistan and our finest Afghani allied troops, for another Obama political event.

Why do you think this blog was all over this? THIS IS THE REASON as it changes the US military and it puts the US military into checks and balances of it being murdered for political gain.

There are many excuses in this in putting a twin rotor Chinook into that situation, but I will point out that it appears that Obama’s Taliban were waiting for that CH-47, and that means someone tipped them off. You know the same someones in the CIA who keep terrorists around Karzai’s brother to assassinate him.
Not making any accusations in the payback game, but there is more to this than what is being reported………and the most damning of this is Obama sent in special ops again for a mass murder political event, and Obama got Americans murdered instead.

THIS EVENT could have been neutralized by a high altitude thermobaric strike. Such a bomb would have sucked the oxygen out of the canyon, and left the suffocated terrorists viable to take DNA from. THAT IS THE CORRECT OPERATION and you now see the incorrect operation Obama and Panetta engaged in, in this Murder Inc. which Obama is running for his 2012 political campaign.

This blog did not believe that there were any high value targets left to raise Obama’s poll numbers, but with the downgrade of the US economy, Obama apparently in desperation engaged in another murder operation to wag the dog like Jimmy Carter tried in Iran that got American’s murdered and pissed on by Ayatollahs.

This would mean that Mullah Omar of the Taliban was at this house at least or Dr. Zawahiri of the Marxist al Qaeda wing. None of which Americans care about enough for political reasons, so this all could have been a thermobaric sweep with a mop up of dead bodies in the dawn, with no Americans or Afghani’s murdered.
I will note in this, that the Taliban and al Qaeda are learning. They have set their fields of fire, they chose their meeting place well to lure in helos to be downed and they took the political event Obama gave and made it their victory.

John McCain and the GOP are a disgrace as I have pointed out in not protecting the US military from Obama. The Democrats are accomplices to Obama’s murdering machine in this gay military now.

It is past 3 years time now for the military to arrest this fraud B. Hussein Obama for the mass murdering, terrorist he is, from Predator strikes to thee absolute heinous illegal operations in Libya.

This mass murder of Americans should never have happened, and only happened because Congress has not been protecting Soldiers from this Obama chest thumping, trophy on the wall, Murder Incorporated, of meat grinder regime.
31 Americans lives wasted for a goddamned political event.

Gen. Patton is not here to say it, so by God I will.

agtG 226Y

@retire05: Again, no arguments here. This CiC could care less about the troops and they know it. Just a couple of weeks ago he singled them out, along with SS recipients, for his scare tactics with the debt ceiling. To him the troops are means to an end that being his political career.

Something about this just doesn’t add up. Why weren’t drones or bunker busters used on this house party? We’ve taken out lots of other Taliban this way. Who was in this house that we were willing to put so many lives on the line?

May God bless those brave men who lost their lives in this battle. May they rest in peace. My condolences and prayers go out to their loved ones.

June, you assume many facts not in evidence. You also show your ignorance despite others posting information. The Shinook is quite vulnerable and an RPG in the right place will down one quite easily. In the “Sole Survivor” incident an RPG flew into a Shinook that had dropped it’s loading ramp and exploded inside (from what I recall).
I would also take issue what you call obama’s crime. Do you mean to say you think that killing OBL was a crime? In that case I would say ESAD you ron paul ‘tard. At the very least your BO DS is disgusting and unwelcome here. Crawl back under whatever rock your oozed from and spare us your mentally ill rants.

@MataHarley:

Links to the latest news and source, please, Ivan. There’s nothing about you that’s credible, based on your history here. Sorry… you brung it on yourself.

Really? Are you still sticking by your questioning of the shoot-down? You having a problem keeping up with the fluid events of the day?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-14430735

Another lesson in military history/tactics presented to you with no charge, Mata.

;->

Not “sticking” to anything, Ivan. I provided the source link to what the latest news I had. You ran off at the mouth, providing no links. Then again, that’s what you always do. And we all know how worthy that is in time we are wasting…

So if you say something, you’d better back it up, because otherwise you’re just being your usual BS artist, doing your usual lies, shuck and jive.

So thank you for the update link and news. Next time, don’t wait to be asked. Provide it, or be prepared to back up your mouth.

@Hard Right:

RPGs as mentioned go back to at least the Vietnam era. MANPADs…not so much.

The comment about “December 1978” (I meant 1979) is a reference to the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan.

Retire, I remember how we supplied the weaponry to knock down the Russian choppers. If they still had that armament, it would be logical that they would be committing holy Hell on our choppers. Like they did to the Russians.

It may have been one of ours; however, if Iran or China is arming them, we will never hear about it from the Obama regime.

I am mad and feel so bad for our troops fighting a war with Obama’s ROE.

CALI, YOU HAVE A GOOD POINT IN THERE, THE MUSLIMS IN THE WHITE HOUSE HAVE A NUMBER 1 SEAT AND IT TAKE ONLY ONE WITH PINK CHEEKS TO TIP WAR STRATEGY, THE POSSIBILITY IS THERE,

JUNE BEAMS YOU HAVE GOOD POINT TO BE KEPT AS ANYTHING ABOUT THIS WAR IS FOUGHT BY THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF, YOU ARE RIGHT IN MANY POINT THAT THE FACT THAT WE STILL DON’T FACE THE UGLYEST PART DOESN’T MEAN THAT IT’S NOT REAL, AS MANY THINGS HAPPENING ARE JUST ACCEPTED BY THE TOLERANT AMERICANS AS TO BE DEBATED NOT REACTED IN ACTION TO STOP IT,
AND CHASE THE TRAITORS, BUT INSTEAD WE WILL CHASE THE MESSENGER AND DIMINISH THE MESSAGE AS CRAZY.
HARD RIGHT , I DON’T THINK THAT SHOULD BE SWEPT UNDER THE RUG, IT’S THE EASY WAY,
WE MUST ANALYZE JUNE BEAM MESSAGE AND THE UNDERNEATH POSSIBLE TRUTH STILL NOT EXPRESS, IT TELL OF WHERE THAT MESSAGE EVOLVED WITHOUT NAMING ANYONE,

CURT DID YOU GET THE NAMES?

SOME SAY THERE IS SOMETHING THAT DOESN’T JIVE, AND I BELIEVE IT TOO,
THEY WHERE WAITING FOR THAT CHOPPER, READY TO SHOOT, YOU HAVE TO GET THIS
ROCKET IN READYNESS POSITION, AND ONLY WHEN YOU HAVE AN OPERATION TO DO LIKE AIMING AT A TARGET PRECISELY,WHERE IT HAS TO BE,
NOW WE HAVE IN THE HELICOPTER THE EXPERT WARRIORS, THAT IS THE MOST PRECIOUS CHOPPER,
HOW DO YOU PROTECT IT, IN FRONT OR BACK OR SIDES, HOW DO YOU SEND IT IN A LEAST OF VULNERABLE DISTANCE TO PROTECT YOUR PRECIOUS LOAD. OR DON”T YOU SEND IT AT ALL, AND THROW A BOMB AT THE HOUSE BEFORE
BUT IT WORKED FOR THE BIN LADEN’S MISSION, SO IT WILL BE REPEATED AGAIN, GO FOR IT COMING FROM HIGH COMMAND,
BUT WE ARE TAKING AN AWFULL CHANCE TO LOOSE OUR PRECIOUS LOAD,,
IT DOESN’T MATTER, GO FOR IT COME FROM THE TOP COMMAND. IT’S AN ORDER,
COME IN THE VIDEO ROOM WE WILL WATCH THE ACTION LIVE,

Nothing will happen regardless of who supplied the weapons which killed these Warriors. The prezedent is only concerned with reelection so he can continue destroying the America we know and love as he’s been directed to do by his boss george soros. Old georgey boy has been planning the destruction of our economy for a long time. He destroyed the UK, Thai, and Russian currency and the dollar is next. china has been ratcheting up the rhetoric calling for a new world currency to replace the dollar. Georgey boy’s media lapdogs are making sure the words “Tea Party” are synonymous with “terrorists”, “holding hostages”, “ruining of the economy”, etc. As the election nears, the vilification and scapegoating will increase to ensure the people’s anger over the economy is deflected and redirected away from the lyin king to keep him in power. I won’t be surprised when the “Tea Party Hobbits” who stood their ground during the budget kabuki theater have their homes invaded by obama’s “ rent a mob” to protest their “destroying of the economy by calling for fiscal restraint”. Remember the bus loads of “angry citizens” who just showed up at the private homes of AIG and Wall Street CEO’s when obama was making his move to steal billions from the treasury to pay off his base?
With all the other illegal shit the White House has pulled in this last 2.5 years, thinking he/they might be complicit in this “accident” is not a stretch of the imagination. Taking out osama pissed of some powerful muslims to include the brotherhood and wounded their delicate muslim sensibilities. Just look at all the care obama ordered the military take in “respecting” muslim burial rights and treatment of the body. Hell, they even had a muslim Sailor on board to ensure things were done right. billary klintoon’s personal aid has family ties to the brotherhood via her mommy and older brother. There are muslims on the personal staff of the prezedent who are never mentioned in the media. Is it really that hard to imagine one of those “devote” muslims sending a text or IM to a friend of a friend that SEAL TEAM 6 was involved with another mission to take out a high profile target? The military has rebuilt the mosque that sheik omar preached in attempting to win the hearts and minds of the locals. Of course, reclaiming the mosque has become a matter of honor to the taliban due to its connection to omar especially since their poster boy was taken out. Haven’t looked to see if the mosque is in the area this event occurred and now, does it really matter? There will be no justice for these Troops because “shit happens in war”. Nobody other than the families and those of us who give a damn about the US Military will even remember their sacrifice a couple of months from now.

Theresa, MSgt [ret], USAF,
THANK YOU,
with tears in our eyes, AND IN OUR HEART we mourn the bravest of AMERICA,

My question is how the Taliban knew to hit this specific helicopter? Apparently there were up to half a dozen helicopters used during the raid.

It’s quite possibly an eenie-meenie-miney-moe roll of the dice. The Taliban insurgent who fired the RPG might not have known what kind of soldiers were aboard the chinook he took aim at. It’d be cause enough for them to fire at by its presence alone, as an enemy of the Taliban. I’m sure they would have liked to have brought down the other helicopters, as well (any other SEALs aboard any other chinooks? We don’t know).

@cali:

Something just doesn’t jive with me on this. We have many anti-american muslim serving for Obama-could a leak come from them? This needs a closer look!

Where is the evidence on many anti-American Muslims serving, let alone serving for President Obama?

@Theresa, MSgt (ret), USAF:

There are muslims on the personal staff of the prezedent who are never mentioned in the media.

Should they be?

Is it really that hard to imagine one of those “devote” muslims sending a text or IM to a friend of a friend that SEAL TEAM 6 was involved with another mission to take out a high profile target?

Why and how would a staffer have any knowledge of the mission, let alone specific operational details?

Wordsmith

All is speculation obviously, but not hard to believe could be the truth. Nothing about this regime is trustworthy as has been evidenced by the backroom deals, the executive orders to circumvent the congressional body, etc, etc. No, I don’t have “evidence”. I just have a sick feeling there is more to this event than has been disclosed. I also know that regardless of what the “truth” is, nothing is going to change. Have a nice day.

Wordsmith, it is for you to tell us why.
or why not

Teresa, MSgt [ret], USFA,
YES WE CAN AND MUST SPECULATE BECAUSE THEY LIE GIVING THE AMERICANS TO SPECULATE THEIR REAL INTENT IN THEIR AGENDA THAT FROM THE HAPPENING IS NOT GOOD FOR AMERICA,
BUT MIGHT BE VERY PROFITABLE FOR THE MIDDLE EAST TO ENLARGE THEIR POWER AND
STRENGTHENING THEIR ULTIMATE GOAL TO CONQUERING THE WORLD AND SUBMIT OR KILL ALL WHO DO NOT FOLLOW THEIR RELIGIOUS POLITICAL DOMINATION.

@MataHarley:

Not “sticking” to anything, Ivan. I provided the source link to what the latest news I had. You ran off at the mouth, providing no links. Then again, that’s what you always do. And we all know how worthy that is in time we are wasting…

“ran off at the mouth…”????

All I said was this:

Confirmed as a shoot-down.

Look, Hausfrau, you should chill out and not take life so fricken seriously.

It was pretty common knowledge that it was a shoot-down to all who have been keeping up with the events of the day. I guess you failed to keep up with the fast moving events.

Consider waiting before you post next time.

Ivan: “ran off at the mouth…”????

All I said was this:

Confirmed as a shoot-down.

And all I’m saying is that just becus’ “Ivan Sez” doesn’t cut it here because of your track record of lies and dishonor. BTW… you still have clean up to do on other threads, where you’ve accused several of us of “dishonor” with your lies and misrepresentation on various issues over time. I see you are busy avoiding that. No surprise…

Bottom line. If you decide to give updated news that “confirms” such, then provide the link. You aren’t a source that I will believe.

And, in fact, your “source” isn’t necessarily “confirmed”. A WH official says “apparently”. An unnamed NATO officials tells the NYTs media that it was a RPG. Is it the usual practice for NATO to “confirm” things with the press instead of thru official channels these days? There are eyewitnesses, and NATO says likely, but the official investigation continues.

The Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) said it was mounting an operation to recover the helicopter and find out why it crashed. It said there had been “enemy activity in the area” where it went down.

Guess it ain’t confirmed after all. But I do believe it’s more than likely it was shot down. It is, after all, an active combat zone. Doesn’t take RPG science to come to that possibility.

But back to you…. personally…. since you like to make everything here personal.

My original comment/update was at 4:37 ET. Your linked BBC article came out 21 minutes later. Perhaps I should have been able to be so prescient as to visualize what hadn’t hit the news yet? As you say, news is fluid. So don’t come around after the cow left the barn to tell me that it’s confirmed that the cow left the barn, when the barn door wasn’t even noted as being opened when I made my comment. Get my drift, bubba? Start looking at the time stamps on the comments, and you might start having a clue.

You should get into the habit of providing links, Ivan. Because I’m going to nail you on every one of them I catch. You’ve already demonstrated that “Ivan sez” don’t mean crap. Also to see what may also be included in that news. We provide links and don’t ask anyone to trust us. Do the same, you lazy SOB.

Borrowed from a commentor at Michelle Malkin’s site. Thought I’d share with you:

Johnny Jennings

The Navy Seal Prayer

Dear FATHER IN HEAVEN,

If I may respectfully say so sometimes you are a strange God. Though you love all mankind, It seems you have a special predilections too.

You seem to love those men who can stand up alone who face impossible odds, Who challenge every bully and every tyrant ~

Those men who know the heat and loneliness of a calvary. Possibly you cherish men of this stamp because you recognize the mark of your only son in them.

Since this unique group of men known as the SEALs know calvary and suffering, teach them now the mystery of the resurrection ~ that they are indestructible, that they will live forever because of their deep faith in you.

And when they do come to heaven, may I respectfully warn you, Dear Father, they also know how to celebrate. So please be ready for them when they insert under your pearly gates.

Bless them, their devoted Families and their Country on this glorious occasion.

We ask this through the merits of your Son, Christ Jesus the Lord, Amen.”

Theresa, MSgt [ret], USAF,
very appropriate prayer, no way to read it without the emotional display.
thank you, for this is a treasure, keepsake,
for all the family also, and my thoughts goes to them all.

IS there any way we can find the names of all who died there,
does anyone can find it?
there might be some of FLOPPING ACES COMMENTER AT SOME OF THEIR TIME,
WE SURE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE NAMES.

@ilovebeeswarzone, why should Wordsmith have to debunk Theresa’s speculative accusations? Afghanistan is a war zone. We know the enemy has anti-aircraft capabilities of many levels. Just why should it be a conspiracy that an active SEAL unit gives the ultimate sacrifice in the course of their tasks there as warriors?

I think what concerns me more is the record of casualties for the choppers that @Gregory_Dittman cites above. In both cases, more were accidental than combat related. While accidents, as well as war casualties, are to be expected, that seems to be a very high ratio. Is the equipment old and in need of maintenance that can’t be done because of budget constraints? Or are some of the pilots perhaps out of their range of expertise?

As I said in my first comment here… whether it’s related to enemy fire, an accident, or perhaps even a cover up of a Tillman’esque friendly fire error, the loss is regrettably the same. There are many families and friends in mourning, kids who won’t know their Dads growing up, and parents burying their sons who gave their all. I find little consolation in making this extremely sad event political with hyperbolic conspiracy theories and/or cover ups, and just another ODS moment. Strikes me as a disservice to their honor and memory.

MATA yes I understand your point, sorry, I did not mean wrong,to the military victims,
I was still angry at government threat toward them,
can you find the names of the victims or is there a link to
find it,
bye

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