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The Cloward-Piven Strategy, Saul Alinsky, and Their Influence on Obama [Reader Post]

                                       

The Cloward-Piven Strategy

Nan G mentioned the “Cloward-Piven Strategy” in a comment the other day. Hers was a very astute observation, so I thought I would expand upon it. And, it’s quite timely right now!

The Cloward-Piven Strategy was published in The Nation in 1966. The strategy was developed by Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, professors at Columbia University in NYC. Piven was married to Cloward. They wrote an article titled “The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty,” advocating increased enrollment in social welfare programs in order to collapse that system and force reforms, leading to a guaranteed annual income. This political strategy has been referred to as the “Cloward-Piven strategy.”

The Cloward-Piven Strategy was inspired by the August 1965 riots in the black district of Watts in Los Angeles (which erupted after police had used batons to subdue a black man suspected of drunk driving). In their 1966 article, “The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty,” Cloward and Piven charged that the ruling classes used welfare to weaken the poor; that by providing a social safety net, the rich doused the fires of rebellion. Poor people can advance only when “the rest of society is afraid of them,” Cloward told The New York Times on September 27, 1970. Rather than placating the poor with government hand-outs, wrote Cloward and Piven, activists should work to sabotage and destroy the welfare system; the collapse of the welfare state would ignite a political and financial crisis that would rock the nation; poor people would rise in revolt; only then would “the rest of society” accept their demands. The key to sparking this rebellion would be to expose the inadequacy of the welfare state. Cloward-Piven’s early promoters cited radical organizer Saul Alinsky as their inspiration. “Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules,” Alinsky wrote in his 1972 book, “Rules for Radicals.” When pressed to honor every word of every law and statute, every Judaeo-Christian moral tenet, and every implicit promise of the liberal social contract, human agencies inevitably fall short. The system’s failure to “live up” to its rule book can then be used to discredit it altogether, and to replace the capitalist “rule book” with a socialist one.

From Kurt Nimmo at Infowars.com, we learn: It is a mistake to believe the Cloward-Piven Strategy is scheme cooked up by academic Marxists of “New Left.” In fact, “the destruction of capitalism in America is a meticulous plan on the part of the global elite to consolidate power and destroy all opposition.” It has nothing to do with liberating the proletariat, but rather subjecting them to “world-socialism, scientifically planned and directed” and devised to transform the planet into a high-tech prison gulag.”

Saul Alinsky and his Book

Saul Alinsky is probably the best-known “community organizer” in the country today. Even though he died in 1972, he is still remembered for his book, Rules For Radicals,” published in 1971. In it he wrote, “What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. ‘The Prince’ was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. ‘Rules for Radicals’ is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away.”

From Noam Cohen at The New York Times, we learn, “The disruption of the town hall meetings has many Alinsky trademarks: using spectacle to make up for lack of numbers; targeting an individual to make a large point; and trying to use ridicule to persuade the undecided.”

Here are some excerpts from “Rules for Radicals.”

  • Any effective means is automatically judged by the opposition as being unethical: One of our greatest revolutionary heroes was Francis Marion of South Carolina, who became immortalized in American history as “the Swamp Fox.” Marion was a revolutionary guerrilla. British General Cornwallis and the regular British Army found their plans and operations harried and disorganized by Marion’s guerrilla tactics. Cornwallis was very critical of Marion’s tactics.
  • Don’t worry if they call you names: The job of the organizer is to maneuver and bait the establishment so that it will publicly attack him as a “dangerous enemy.”
  • The first step: The organizer dedicated to changing the life of a particular community must first rub raw the resentments of the people of the community; fan the latent hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expression.
  • Being on TV can be empowering: A man, in a demonstration at City Hall, might find himself confronting the mayor and saying, “Mr. Mayor, we have had it up to here and we are not going to take it any more.” Television cameramen put their microphones in front of him and ask, “What is your name, sir?”
  • Find a single person to focus your energies on: It should be borne in mind that the target is always trying to shift responsibility to get out of being the target. There is a constant squirming and moving and strategy – purposeful, and malicious at times.
  • Do not ignore the lower-middle class: They are a fearful people, who feel threatened from all sides: the nightmare of pending retirement and old age with a Social Security decimated by inflation; the shadow of unemployment from a slumping economy, with blacks, already fearsome because the cultures conflict, threatening job competition; the high cost of long-term illness; and finally with mortgages outstanding, they dread the possibility of property devaluation from non-whites moving into the neighborhood.

It should also be noted that Mr. Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.

Influence on Obama

Alinsky is considered to be the founder of modern community organizing in America. Alinsky’s teachings influenced Obama early in his career as a community organizer on the far South Side of Chicago. Obama worked for Gerald Kellman‘s Developing Communities Project where he learned and taught Alinsky’s methods for community organizing.

By following this link, you will see a chart that puts Obama at the epicenter of an incestuous stew of American radical leftism. Not only are his connections significant, they practically define who he is. Taken together, they constitute a who’s who of the American radical left, and guiding all is the Cloward-Piven strategy.

In Breaking the System, David Horowitz and Liz Blane explain how Obama is using the Cloward-Piven Strategy to continuously manufacture crises of which he can take advantage, and to advance his agenda. Obama’s plan, “…is the product of a calculated strategy by the radical Left to subvert America’s free-enterprise system and to turn the country’s citizens into wards of an always-growing state whose ultimate objective is to engineer American lives. Specifically, Obama’s policies reflect the strategy developed by two leftist professors, Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, in the mid-1960s to manufacture crises that will fracture our social and cultural institutions and pave the way for a socialist redistribution of wealth and control over every aspect of individual endeavor.

From Greene Opinion, we learn, “In an August 31, 2008 letter to the Editor of the Boston Globe, Saul Alinsky’s son, David, said “Obama learned his lesson well” and that David was proud “to see my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully.” “No doubt Obama was a fan of the Alinsky model and method. He said so himself in his book Dreams from my Father.” “In a New York Post article published September 8, 2008 is says: Obama adopted the big government ethos that prevails among neighborhood organizers, who view attempts to reform poverty programs as attacks on the poor…He also derided the “old individualistic boot strap myth” of achievement that conservatives were touting and called self-help strategies for the poor “thinly veiled excuses for cutting back on social programs.”

Consequences

From James Simpson at American Thinker, we learn: “For many it is simply a practical matter of eliciting votes from a targeted constituency at taxpayer expense; we lose a little, they gain a lot, and the politician keeps his job. But for others, the goal is more malevolent – the failure is deliberate. Don’t laugh. This method not only has its proponents, it has a name: the Cloward-Piven Strategy. It describes their agenda, tactics, and long-term strategy.” [IMHO this article is excellent - a "must read"]

From Conservative Daily News, we learn, “The Main Stream Media and Liberal defense of Obama’s Economic Policy has been that he is using “Keynesian Economics” to stabilize our economy and to give him time.” Regarding the Cloward-Piven Strategy, “Are we seeing this in play? I believe we are – this has been Obama’s plan from the beginning.”

From Jim Hoft at Gateway Pundit, we get this quote: “Either Barack Obama is the worst economic president in American history or he is working an intentional Cloward-Piven strategy to bring this great nation to its knees. There really is no other explanation.”

From Nancy Coppock at American Thinker, we learn: “Using borrowed money for a band-aid bailout of the economy should seem backwards to most people. However, it likely is a planned strategy to promote radical change. Obama adheres to the Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals method of politics, which teaches the dark art of destroying political adversaries. However, that text reveals only one front in the radical left’s war against America. The Cloward/Piven Strategy is another method employed by the radical Left to create and manage crisis. This strategy explains Rahm Emanuel’s ominous statement, “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.” As the flow of money from the top of the economy dries up, job losses and mortgage busts will mount exponentially. The Democrat stimulus plan provides for welfare expansion but not for a robust economy that creates high paying jobs. Is this what Obama means when he warns, “It’s going to get worse before it gets better?”

But that’s just my opinion.

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42 Responses to The Cloward-Piven Strategy, Saul Alinsky, and Their Influence on Obama [Reader Post]

  1. retire05 says: 1

    I have only one dispute with your article, and that is the reference to Infowars. Infowars is a website run by a conspiracy theorist and talk show host, Alex Jones, who is also a 9-11 truffer and has attended a number of protests in New York City to show the world how George Bush, Jr. brought down the Twin Towers. Jones also believes that the Bilderbergers are trying to take over the world, that aliens inhabited the earth thousands of years ago and that is why the Egyptians could build the pyramids, that FDR helped organize the Pearl Harbor attack and the CIA murdered JFK.

    Jones has a strong following among Ron Paul supporters who misunderstand the policies of Ron Paul. He also pulls the far left who simply want to bash Bush and/or Republicans. Anyone who gives credence to Alex Jones needs to be medicated.

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  2. Skookum says: 2

    I like to view Alynsky as the typical rabble rouser from the ghetto; although, he was a mentor of Hillary Clinton, his work lacked the polished elements of intellectual theory that is are important to the effete pseudo intellectual snobs of academia. Cloward-Piven provided the intellectual seal of approval that carries clout among the Socialist Elite.

    However, they stressed not the elimination of the poverty classes, but the inclusion of more citizens into the poverty or entitled class. The main premise was to perpetuate abject poverty and put such a strain on the Welfare system that it would break the US government from the sheer weight of the needs of the poverty classes: thus the term Weight Of The Poor. There was never the slightest intention of elevating the poor or to help them overcome poverty; to the contrary, they only meant to use the masses of the poor to overwhelm and break the system.

    The destruction of America or at least its reformation into a Socialist State was their goal: it is the same goal of the progressive party and our president.

    It is ironic that the poorest among us view the president as their savior; however, in typical Elitist philosophy so common among the Socialist hierarchy, their welfare is the least of his concerns. Wealth Redistribution with all its vectors of influence is only used as a weapon or a tool to weaken and reform the United States into a Dystopia for the Elites.

    Without the poor, the Progressive has no message and is inconsequential. Promoting and increasing poverty along with those who care for them ensures their survival; of course, their survival is meant as a privileged Elite who lives in a rarefied atmosphere above it all.

    Thus the classless society creates a new set of parameters or classes, not dissimilar to those described by Orwell in “1984″.

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  3. I was reading on a link given lately that the TSA program is made specificly to get the people to accept to be impose the burden to be searched, and NOT HAVING TO DO WITH SECURITY,
    AS THE ARTICLE CONTINUE, they where expecting more revolts from the masses, so they increased the searchs to get the response they want in order to take the drastic last element to be put in place,
    like a marshal law, and again it did not materialyse , but I keep thinking that this now crisis to evolve directly from the WHITE HOUSE LEADER give him the tool to get his agenda in the last phase of
    activation, I wonder, and I wonder if the forces will have a leader to perceive it ,
    and take action to counter the evolution of the total destruction on it’s way as we speak,
    an it would Have to be as radical as the destruction’s final decision is called, and when it’s called
    there wont be any forces left to change it.
    so the timing is to be very well decided by the one who will decide to do the difficult decision to rise and order the beginning of the cleanup to save AMERICA ON MANY FRONT ALL AT ONCE.
    WILL HE OR SHE BE FOLLOWED,ON THE TASK ? THAT IS ANOTHER QUESTION TO ARISE, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO TIME TO CONVINCE THE FOLLOWERS.

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  4. John Cooper says: 4

    I was somewhat distressed to learn that my hero Winston Churchill – in his younger days – helped to create the British welfare state. The story was in the book, “The Last Lion”, which I donated to the troops in Iraq and no longer own. I believe he was honestly motivated by concern for the poor and also concern for a rebellion among them.

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  5. John Cooper, I can imagine the big difference between the poor of those times and the poor of today
    and the welfare of those time and the welfare of today, there was a big gap for sure
    bye

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  6. retire05 says: 6

    @ilovebeeswarzone:

    You’re right; the poor of Winston Churchill’s youth and young adulthood were street people. They had no homes to live in, or if they did, they were actual shacks. They were starving to death in many cases, no medical care. A Christmas Carol explains just what poverty was then.

    Now, you have people who are judged as poor, not on what they own, but on what they earn, and their in-kind income such as public housing, food stamps, TANF, M/M are not counted toward income although if they earned more, would be counted as an expense. Only the federal goverment can pay expenses without income. That is called debt.

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  7. retire05, yes my mother was a widow in her 40′s we where 4 girls and 1 baby boy she was working in a rich house cleaning and washing floors and such after my father died at 44 from asthma; he had provided
    a good easy life for us and my mother, until then, I was told because I was too young, a baby when he died and 4 when she died, she would provide the best she could, she didn’t live to see us grow too much,
    my oldest sister was 12 then, we end up in an orphanage for 2 years,
    yes she was very poor, taking it out of her mouth to feed us all.
    no wonder she died so young. they where beautiful
    in and out, I was told,
    bye

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  8. TinoW says: 8

    CWNews

    July 29, 2011

    We know your pride and arrogance will not let you admit that your covert Socialist/Marxist agenda has failed with the American People. You will not accept the rightful responsibility of what you and your henchmen have done to our economy. You have blamed President Bush once too many times. You have betrayed the TRUST of the American People.

    Not only have you been blaming Mr. Bush, you have consistently blamed us, the American grassroots movement called the Tea Party, and us who are conservative. Who do you think you are? Why don’t you admit that you are a worst failure than your predecessor. Most Americans don’t realize that your party started controlling both sides of Congress in the 2006 election, thanks to ACORN and your UNION buddies.

    Yes, we know Mr. Bush made some mistakes, but with all of his imperfections, you ARE the worst example of a leader that ever sat in the Oval Office. Mr. Bush had a liberal Congress to deal with in the last two years of his administration. Your desk is where the buck stops as far as your crisis solution lies. Don’t blame Congress or the Tea Party, Conservatives, the GOP. Your are in charge, so the blame for our DEBT CRISIS is in your hands. Your party and agenda are what created this “crisis.” Just like TARP, Stimulus, Health Care, Banking, budget crisis in December, and now this crisis.

    WE ARE TIRED OF YOUR USING THE “CRISIS” TACTIC TO DESTROY OUR NATION!

    You are a Marxist, wealth redistribution proponent, socialist who hates America and wants to destroy it! The only obstacle in your way is our Precious Constitution. We get our rights from God, not from man. Your anger tantrums destroy your image! You and your progressive liberal friends have used Sal Alinsky’s tactics to get your way and ruin many people’s lives. We have news for you, Mr. President, THE ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS.

    Your phony rhetoric and carefully placed words have deceived many of my fellow Americans. Our eyes are OPEN now. We see what you are doing. You dishonor your office and the White House. All of us can see through you, even though you hide your activities behind closed doors, having proclaimed to be “the most transparent administration” ever. You blame the Republicans, even though your party controls the WH and half of Congress. You did not even know how to control your Congress when you had both sides.

    GDP growth is only 1.3%; previously GDP has been revised to 0.4%! Our National Debt has already doubled what Mr. Bush acquired in his 8-years of office. You haven’t even finished your “only” term. Just for the record, we hope you are a ONE TERMER! We cannot afford to have you turn into a tyrant during a second term. We do not want you to destroy our precious Nation and Constitution. We desire FREEDOM, LIBERTY and JUSTICE under a “free-market” society, and not a dictatorship or Socialist State.

    Unemployment is the worst it has ever been in decades. The number is 9.2% as of the last report, it is really higher if you include all of us who are unemployed and underemployed. Oh, I get it, you want everybody living off the government so you can ruin the free market and create a “dependent” society that is controlled by government. Ah, that’s Marxism. Remember, the guys you like to hang out with when you were in college, “the Marxists, the Latinos, revolutionaries..?”

    Oh, does America remember your video sound bite that under your “version” of “cap and trade”, “electricity prices would NECESSARILY SKYROCKET…” Huh, these facts would tell us that your intentions for our Nation are nefarious; you really want to CRASH our economy so you can bring in your national control under the unconstitutional health care and Financial Reform Act to control our lives.

    Face it Mr. Obama, you have been lying to the American People to subvert our Constitution and bring in your brand of Socialism/Marxism, maybe calling it “State Controlled Capitalism”… like China. If you were CEO of GM, you would have e FIRED already. I pray to the Lord God Almighty that your plans not only FAIL by coming unraveled, and that they be exposed to the world.

    Mr. Obama, you are a complete failure and the worst president in the history of the United States of America. May the Glory be given to the LORD God our Creator, in Jesus’ Name. God bless America.

    Conservative Watch News [IMF2011-28-07] (c) 2011 All rights reserved. Redistribution Hereby Authorized.

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  9. TinoW,
    THANK YOU, this statement include what AMERICANS think and keep inside
    which give them sadness in their everyday life, because of the desperate need for AMERICANS to excuse the PRESIDENT ”MISTAKES BUT ARE NOW FINDING SUCH NEGATIVITY IN THE CONDUCT OF LEADERSHIP ,THAT HAS BECOME IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THE EXCUSE, AND THEY ARE SAD TO NOTICE THAT THEY ELECT A PERSON LACKING THE ABILITY TO RUN A GOVERNMENT SUCH AS THIS AMERICA.
    BYE

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  10. retire05 says: 10

    Sometimes I think that we look at the election of Obama the wrong way. Had Obama not been elected, there would have never been a TEA Party with hundreds of thousands of Americans marching on Washington, D.C. to demand fiscal responsibility. We would have never seen Americans wake up and take an interest in their nation like they have not done for 100 years. We would have never seen books like Road to Serfdom, Atlas Shrugged and others fly off the book shelves in greater numbers than when they were first published. We would not have Americans reading the Constitution, the Federalist Papers and books on the Founding Fathers in such large numbers. We would not have seen those like Marco Rubio, Allen West, Tim Scott, Francisco Canseco and Rand Paul elected. We would not have seen Republicans take control of state houses in the unprecedneted numbers that happened in 2010.

    The was a saying that I remember and it goes something like this: Every now and then we have to elect Democrats to remind us just how bad they are. Well, Obama got elected, and Americans woke up and realized that we had finally elected a true Marxist to the Oval Office. No more Socialist Lite like Woodrow Wilson or FDR. A true Marxist trained in the ways of another Marxist, Saul Alinsky, and conservatives realized that the time for being the silent majority was over. So we formed groups, the TEA Party, 9-12 Groups, groups that get together and read the Constitution and the writings of the Founders and we decided to take our country back and try to make it the “shining city on a hill” that it was designed to be. And we stopped being silent. Silent no more should be our rallying cry.

    But I truely believe that had John McLame been elected, none of this would have happened. So while we suffer through we need to remember that we, the sleeping giant, is finally awake and we will be silent no more.

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  11. anticsrocks says: 11

    @retire05: You are correct retire. Carter begot us Reagan and Obama is Carter on steroids, so truly great things are in store for us.

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  12. antisrocks
    hi, you know that I have to disagree on this, if he would be so like REGAN on steroids,
    he would be flying to the MOON,
    but the space mission is terminated so that mean he will be SPACE OUT
    BYE
    COULDN’T MISS THAT ONE, GOTCHA

    on steroide, he would fly to the moon

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  13. retire05, you are thinking positive, that can help chase away the negative, but yes you’re right on this,
    nothing like a disaster to get the action going
    bye

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  14. anticsrocks says: 14

    @ilovebeeswarzone: LOL, Beezy. I just meant that Carter, as feckless as he was gave us a great, great President in Reagan, so imagine with Obama being 10 times worse than Carter what greatness we have to look forward to.
    .
    .

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  15. anticsrocks, you are as positive as retire 05

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  16. Nan G says: 16

    Warren B,
    Thank you for the excellent expansion on my small comment the other day.
    Your post brought up so many good points.
    I saw one that stood out and has not yet been expanded upon.
    (Saul Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.)

    In fact the comments so far have proven one lesson.
    Remember the movie, The Usual Suspects?
    One suspect, Verbal, made this statement:

    The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.

    Yet, as you rightly pointed out, Warren B. , Saul Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer (one of the Devil’s many names).

    The Bible has some lessons in it that are going to be lost to the next generation who don’t read it for it’s value as literature.
    I never read the Bible at home.
    I read it at school, in classes where literature from all over time was compared.
    I read it at school where religions were compared.
    I read it at school to prepare for debates about modern-day issues (of that time).

    In the book, Daniel, a progression of world governments is depicted as a giant statue of many different materials, from pure gold at the head (the leader of Daniel’s day) down through time the leaders of a distant future, depicted as feet of wet clay mixed with iron.
    Clay and iron, as we all know, do NOT mix.
    And their inherent weakness allows the statue to be topples by God’s own government, but that’s not my point.
    All of the earlier materials, the gold, the silver, the brass, the pure iron represent dictatorial and harsh rulership from the top down.
    Only in recent history have and democratic methods been tried by mankind as a way to rule over themselves.
    Democratic rulership is represented by the weak clay in the feet of the statue.

    But, if you read the story in Daniel, you see that the dictatorial aspect of some men to rule over all men is still there, as the feet consist of iron mixed with the clay.
    And looking back a what Saul Alinsky as well as Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven have as goals we see that the iron-aspect, the dictatorial aspect is there underneath the use of the poor to force the democratic system to give up its clay (democratic) aspect and return to its iron (dictatorial) aspect.

    Obama might not have the Biblical understanding to even find this illustration in Daniel, but he is playing his role to perfection in it.
    ——
    I have no quarrel with the popularity of secular books that also explain these times and where we are and how to deal with them.
    I am merely noting that well before Rand and Churchill and Friedrich von Hayek, men who read the Bible were already aware of how democracy had a clay-like weakness.
    And many of those men knew how democracy could (and probably would) be exploited by powerful enemies.

    I just think all relevant illustrations ought to be familar to people who are concerned about our times and what is going on.
    Not just the secular ones.

    While we in the USA are caught up in a nearly all-embroiling battle to save our democracy from dictatorial foes and their front man, Obama, the rest of the world is also deep in a pitched battle where all of the rest of Satan, the Devil’s (Lucifer’s) bag of tricks are being utilized.

    Let’s assume the existence of Satan, rather than fall for his trick.
    What was Satan’s goal?
    It is not the dictators winning.
    They are just a few of his tools.
    The whole battle is just one of his tactics.

    In the book of Revelation Satan is depicted as a dragon dragging 1/3rd of all creation to destruction forever with his own.
    Since the very 1st promise in the Bible, Satan has known he is doomed.
    He doesn’t want to go alone, as every one who he manages to take with him is a partial vindication that he was right to begin with then he challenged God’s right to rule over humans in the very beginning.

    We ought to understand where we are in the larger (than man) scheme of things.

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  17. Patricia says: 17

    Great post Nan. Indeed, the “Greatest trick of the devil is convincing the world he doesn’t exist.” Sorry to say that now includes many who called themselves Christian, despite the fact that Christianity only came about BECAUSE of satan.

    In fact, had satan, aka, the “great deceiver”, been understood (or even believed) by more Americans, Obama couldn’t have possibly been elected. While one need not to have been a Christian or believer in satan/evil to have had “eyes to see” the great deception of Obama from day one, it was pretty much a no brainer for any serious Christian.

    On that note, the bible also teaches us that poor living results in the poor leadership, something that has gone hand in hand throughout history, as in we get what we deserve.

    As for the poor, they IMO, are the most interesting. For clarification, my definitition of poor: the authentic poor who for good reason(s), truly need help, a big difference than the “entitlement poor” who can’t get off their as__s and work, forever milking the system for everything it has.

    The biggest reason I think the poor are the most interesting is because soon enough, they will become the most important. Sooner or later, and most likely in the lifetime of most of us, we WILL hit the financial wall and collapse. It will then be “the poor” to whom we will turn, the ones who will teach us how to survive, because God knows, most of us ain’t got a clue. For anyone who has never spent real time with the poor, I highly recommend it, as they are the greatest teachers of many things, especially the things that matter most.

    Lastly, there is a good reason why the Bible also teaches that the “Poor will always be among us.” The truth is, as Americans, we have always needed them far more than they need us (in the spiritual sense), but soon enough, we will also need them to learn how to “live/survive poverty”, a concept most Americans couldn’t even entertain at this point. Sorry to be the doomer, but based on math a 3rd grader could figure out, a spineless congress, and the threat of Obamacare (estimated now to be 12 TRILLION (per David Walker), under estimated, it’s simply common sense.

    The only question remaining is who/what will be the greatest deceiver, Obama or Obamcare?

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  18. Nan G, yes and Patricia is also in that context very interesting way of explaining it all,
    in shorts sentences easy to take.
    I notice the dedication and was trouble by it too and pass it, but could not have found the way
    you did so well, and it’s very true, that all around the world there is chaos, I have notice that it seems like they did it together with following the same ” Q ” TO CRASH ECONOMICALLY, AND OTHER TO REVOLT AND CAUSE MANY KILLINGS WHICH YES IT THE LUCIFER INTENT ALSO,
    YOU APPROACH THE NAME LUCIFER AND EXPAND IT SO WELL.
    FOR ALL TO CONTINUE TO REFLEX AND FIND MORE ELEMENT RELATED TO THAT TRUTH
    BYE

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  19. Nan G says: 19

    @Patricia:
    Thank you for bringing my comment back to the central issue of the poor among us.
    I lost track of that.
    And my post was already long.

    I have used an illustration here are FA about the poor and Obama (and other Democrats).
    It is that they have turned our ”safety net” for the poor in America into a foundation of solid stone.
    Of course, we all know why.
    More constituents, more votes.

    But, after all their ”taking from the (Joe the plumbers) ”rich” and giving to the poor, what have they accomplished?
    A study of MEDIAN worth claims that black households are 20 times poorer than white ones.
    This practically plays into the hands of the Left, of Obama.

    So, is there a way to lie with statistics that has skewed the sound bite?
    Oh, yeah.
    A MEDIAN average is simply the number right in the middle.
    An AVERAGE is the total added up and then divided by the total number of samples.

    When you run averages, the average white household wealth is 3 times that of the average black household…..not so bad.
    And the internals for the black households become stark in their contrasts.
    For example, the top 10% of black households control 67% of all black household wealth!
    Also, the bottom 35% of black households own ZERO wealth, even have debts!

    Now, those numbers are all from 2009, so Obama could have taken them and gone in a different direction from Cloward-Piven and Alinksy.
    Obama could have given black households (all households) a great gift, the right to choose the school of their choice for their children.
    Better educations lead directly to better incomes.
    In good schools valuing things like savings, investment and entrepreneurship are inculcated not just in class but as students see other student save, invest and buy stuff.
    (Who else remembers how black leader Julian Bonds of the NAACP called saving and investing ”playing the lottery?” )

    Obama gave black households only MORE government, not more personal control over their lives.
    And more government control cannot lead one out of poverty.
    Leftist, Cloward-Piven, Alinky Government NEEDS more poverty.

    Of course, black families are not the only poor in the USA.
    But Obama, as the first black president, certainly could have done more to help raise them up, if he hadn’t bought into the SATANIC ploy of centralizing control over people’s lives via Cloward, Piven and Alinsky.

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  20. John Cooper says: 20

    The Census Bureau is the source of “the rich are getting richer while the poor are getting poorer” statistics. I looked into their methods a bit and come to find out, the income numbers they use do not include any kind of public assistance like food stamps, medicaid, rent assistance, etc., etc.

    Neither does Census consider acquired wealth, like homes or automobiles. So it’s entirely possible to be placed in the “poor” category when one is doing quite well.

    If you want to read about real poverty, read Angela’s Ashes by Frank McCourt.

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  21. Warren says: 21

    @retire05: Re: comment #1 – retire05, while I must admit that I did not know about Alex Jones, I found the article and quote by Kurt Nimmo about the Cloward-Piven strategy to be persuasive, timely, and on-target. Citing the Infowars website is certainly not to be construed as an endorsement.

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  22. Theresa, MSgt (ret), USAF says: 22

    Retired 05

    I’ve been saying the same thing to those who care about this great country since the nightmare of 2008 was sworn in. He was very clear during the campaign when he was speechafying to his rent a mobs that he would take from the rich (anyone who does not agree with his agenda) and necessarily “redistribute” their wealth. He stated he would cause energy prices, oil and electric specifically, to necessarily increase. He could see gas prices going up to european levels, $9.00 a gallon was a number I heard him use. He stated quite clearly he would destroy the coal industry using the EPA to enforce his “green” regulations meant to strangle energy producers in this country. He stated he would stop any and all oil production in the US. He stated he would socialize the medical industry to ensure “everyone” had health care. He was very clear in what he intended to do to the American economy and by God, he has kept each and every one of his promises. He was “ready to rule” from day one and that is a direct quote. But, like you said, he needed to “be”. The American middle class needed this socialist nightmare to realize just how much power we’ve given the “political elite” and how out of control they truly are. Soros will pull out all the stops to keep his lackey in office, making the 2008 election look honest in hindsight, so the GOP nominee will have to win in a landslide. WE have to stop him at all costs or be prepared to submit.

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  23. Ditto says: 23

    @Ritire05

    …Had Obama not been elected, there would have never been a TEA Party with hundreds of thousands of Americans marching on Washington, D.C. to demand fiscal responsibility…

    While that is true for the formation of the Tea Party, I would place the origins of this movement much earlier. I believe that the now defunct Reform Party is when people first started mass organizing against Washington DC’s business as normal. While Ross Perot agreeably came across to many as quirky, his getting 19% of the popular vote frightened the hell out of Washington’s establishment. Which is why the Reform Party had to be destroyed from within to protect the elite’s status quo. It was only a matter of time until the people rose up again.

    As the Tea Party is comprised of loose gatherings of dissatisfied Republicans, Democrats and Independents of all races who are regular people, with no centralized organization, who police their protests swiftly to remove political agent provocateurs, it can not be destroyed by infiltration. Since it is not a party per se and lacks their own candidates (preferring to endorse like-minded candidates of any party,) it is not as easy to target their candidates as “unelectable”. That is why establishment politicians and the MSM are relying on false accusations, name-calling and “talking point” propaganda to desperately convince independent minded Americans not to listen to or support Tea Party politicians. They are afraid.

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  24. anticsrocks says: 24

    @Ditto: You said:

    They are afraid.

    They should be.

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  26. TinoW says: 25

    Thank you, Warren Beatty, for your excellent writings. You are truly a patriot with an unbelievable amount of courage to have stood among some of the most liberal men and women on the planet. I’m speaking of the Hollywood progressive liberal elite.

    We pray that you will continue your efforts on these various websites, including your own. We would like to see more of your Hollywood colleges come our of the darkness and use their “star power” to expose the lies and hypocrisy of the liberal progressive left.

    We are the MAJORITY; we surround them. They do not surround us. We are the grassroots of America, the hard-core left only represents around 20% of our population. So, if we unite and expose TRUTH, WE WILL PREVAIL.

    Thank you all!
    Conservative Watch News (.com & .org)

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  27. TinoW says: 26

    @retire05: You are absolutely right. I do not believe that 9/11 was an inside job by anybody in the United States government. But, Alex Jones does bring out many important facts about Bilderberg, CFR and the Trilateral Commission. All of these organizations should have NOTHING to do with United States policy. They should be exposed and prosecuted under U. S. law. IT’S TREASON by the big banks and money changers of the world.

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  28. ed largy says: 27

    This obama strategy gotten from alinsky, columbia university school of socialism, etc. has a bigger picture behind it. Alinsky, the Jew Marxist Satanist like Marx himself is out to destroy the entire world of Judao/Christian accomplishments in the west. They are destroyers and hate manking like their father the devil.
    Obama should be thrown out soon and not soon enough, otherwise his headlong goal of satan is on target.

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  35. burbles says: 28

    Where have I read that a strategy is to destroy all trust in our institutions?

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  36. JUNE 2011 ?
    are you kidding?
    I”M in MAY 15 2013,
    I thought this POST was a today POST, IT has a same POST and same comments
    fit for NOW,
    you all where predicting the TODAY with a reality so alike,
    you had me fool,
    and you have me stunt by the similarity of what we are living now,
    BENGHASI 4 hero death and not punish,
    a IRS fraudulent abuse of THE TEA PARTY GOOD PEOPLE from 2011
    only now uncovered,
    an AP scrutiny of a hundred news journalists and owners, uncovered now,
    AN OBAMA ON SHAKY GROUNDS, being beaten, and what is the future?
    GOD HELP US,,

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