Modern AK 47 With Folding Butt Stock
Attorney General Eric Holder admitted and boasted about operation “Gun Runner” on April 2, 2009 to Mexican officials in Cuernavaca, Mexico.
Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion.
Holder now has subjective memory loss and denies any knowledge of “Gun Runner” AKA “Fast and Furious”. Supposedly, the illegal operation was set up straw men to buy military weapons for Mexican drug cartels and trace the guns back to Mexico to make apprehensions, money was even given to the straw men to buy the weapons. There was no tracking of the weapons or apprehensions of suspects. It is logical to assume that the real intent was to provide the weaponry on the border to invoke chaos and provide reasons for invoking tighter gun control laws. The weapons were used in Mexico in countless murders and in the murder of two federal agents in the US. Again it has become very convenient for Holder to forget all about operation “Gun Runner”; especially, now that he is implicated in the murder of two federal agents on the border by approving the operation that provided the weaponry that killed the agents while insisting that federal border agents fire bean bag bullets at drug runners and murderers.
50 Cal Sniper Rifle Sold To Mexican Cartels
Acting ATF Director Melson’s 4th of July testimony to Senator Charles Grassley and Representative Darrel Issa added fireworks to a government coverup what appears to be the biggest government scandal in 50 years. Melson testified:
“Justice Department officials sought to limit and control his communications with Congress.” Moreover, when he saw the storm clouds rising and attempted to reassign “every major official involved” in Operation “Fast and Furious,” Melson said “Justice Department officials directed him and other ATF officials to not communicate to Congress the reasoning behind the reassignments.”
AK 47 With Grenade Launcher
We are now recovering the weapons at crime scenes along with the bodies of victims.
One cannot use the adjective “Modern” to describe the AK-47. ;->
But, you are correct, this is a huge scandal and the king-makers, I mean the MSM, could care less.
This is far larger than Iran-Contra and only the blogs care about it.
Sigh.
Nice info! I just heard someone say that we should treat our bodies as if they were our horse, and I know I would take much better care of myself (and happily
if I took that attitude! Thanks, Janet
The problem with assuming you are the sharpest knife in the drawer, and bragging about it, is that your words will always come back to haunt you. Not only does Holder’s words come back to bite him because it proves he was fully aware of Operation Gunrunner (infamously known as Operation Gunwalker) but that he also involved the FBI in this nefarious plan.
Anyone with two grey cells bumping together knows that once those weapons hit the Mexican border, there would be no way to track them due to the corruption of the Mexican government/police. It has been reported that only two of the almost 2,000 weapons had any kind of tracking system on them. Those guns, once they hit Mexico, were generally placed into warehouses for future use, not being used immediately. We also know that the FBI, under the direction of the DoJ, was funding the purchase of these weapons with taxpayer dollars.
This plan was implemented for one reason and one reason only; to place greater restrictions on the American people to be able to purchase firearms. If they could prove that Mexico was being littered with dead bodies because the drug cartel members were allowed to purchase weapons in the U.S., the Obama administration could force more stringent gun laws. That was the purpose behind the report last year that claimed 90% of all weapons captured in Mexico were from the U.S. which was later disproved. The 90% was from the weapons that the Mexican government turned over to the U.S. because they thought they originated in the U.S.. It would up being about 90% of 20% all weapons confiscated.
Now the Obama administration is saying that it intends to impose greater gun restrictions on gun purchases in the U.S., not by Congressional law, but by presidential fiat.
If Eric Holder gets indicted in Operation Fast & Furious, should he get a civilian trial?
Just how long can Obama/Holder stonewall our Legislators?
Ivan, modern is a relative term; especially for those intimately familiar with the different versions of this rifle:
How many Mexican innocents are dead because of Gunwalker and Fast and Furious? How many more Border Patrol agents, armed with only non-lethal shot, have to die because of Fast and Furious? Yet, we get this from the Administration:
Half a year after the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle giffords (D-Ariz) the Obama administration is set to release reforms to current gun law, White House press Secretary Jay Carney said on Thursday.
“The reforms, which are being crafted by the Department of Justice, comes after a series of meetings with relevant stake holders in the Second Amendment debate (the anti-gun nuts I am sure). But in a nod to the difficulties of getting legislation through a Republican-run House of Representatives, only Exective orders or administrative actions and not an actual bill, are expected to be handed to Congress.”
So once again, as Mexicans continue to die from Fast and Furious policies and there are now LE agencies claiming that those weapons have been used in even more murders in the U.S., the President is going to try to unconstitutionally do an end run around Congress and impose even more gun laws on law abiding citizens.
November, 2012, and getting rid of Obama becomes more and more important with each passing day.
By the way, Cuernavaca is the Beverly Hills of Mexico; an area of weekend ranchos for the wealthy Mexicans of Ciudad de Mexico (Mexico City). Holder travels and hangs out with the extremely wealthy in Mexico, at least the typical Socialist Elites. I know the area and the attitudes quite well. A segment of my family had a rancho there for decades.
Refresh my memory as far as timelines go. Didn’t they try to blame the flow of illegal weapons into Mexico on this country’s gun owners before we knew about Operation Gunrunner? If so, maybe this was done as an excuse to erode the Second Amendment.
@anothervet:
Yes, they did.
As a matter of fact a good number of people felt so sorry for their plight that they tried to set up an amnesty program for Mexicans fleeing to the states because of drug/gang/gun violence at home.
@anothervet:
Bingo!
The report that came out that said 90% of all confiscated weapons in Mexico came from the U.S. was a false report due to ommission. The government of Obama failed to state that it was 90% of the weapons Mexico turned over to us. Mexico turned over ONLY those weapons they already thought came from the U.S., not ALL weapons confiscated. You will notice that Obama is using not that report (because he got caught with his pants down on it) but the Gabby Giffords shooting to push through stronger laws on those who buy guns LEGALLY. That is because only 18% of the guns confiscated in Mexico came from the U.S., and considering the number of weapons GunWalked across the border, those guns alone could account for the 18%. Most of Mexico’s illegal weapons are coming from Russia and China. Odd, isn’t it, that you don’t see Calderon going in front of those nations governments complaining about the guns entering his country.
Obama is throwing fuel on the fire and stonewalling as long as possible. His propaganda bureaus will not report it until the arrest warrants are being served.
Maybe someone can explain how the “Tiahrt Amendment” has helped our law enforcement agencies accurately determine the extent of illegal weapons trafficking.
@Greg:
Nice straw man there Gregster.
The “Tiahrt Amendment” plays no role in assisting or inhibiting law enforcement in those determinations. The Amendment does, however, prevent confidential or sensitive information from being released outside of the LE community except under a very limited number of prescribed circumstances.
Good try though.
Skookum, I forget to add a thank-you on your post for the 16-year-old girl who was raped, and murdered. And this post as well for the agents. In a society that hold ups the killers, and criminals for sympathy and empathy on a daily basis it is refreshing to hear about the real victims instead. So thanks and keep up the great work. I know I don’t always agree with you, but I enjoy your work which is a reflection of your character which I believe is decent and good.
@Skookum: Thank you, Skookum, but I’ve forgotten more about the AK47 than you’ll ever learn about it.
;->
Thank you Gary, I must admit, I sometimes don’t agree with my own writing. Trying to do too many things too fast and sometimes the words just don’t mean the same thing after deeper reflection, I don’t like to use excuses, but that’s the truth. I am willing to admit mistakes or listen to better ideas, so don’t hesitate to disagree. The crew often points me in the right direction after I fall off my horse; I am thankful and sometimes humiliated, but it is good to learn. God Speed.
I found this speech too still posted one the justice.gov website. How is this not in front of the Senators as they question him and others?
http://www.justice.gov/ag/speeches/2009/ag-speech-090402.html
Ivan, that is an interesting claim; especially, since you know so little of me. Perhaps you can explain on which side of that moon sight you have been on and how many tens of thousands of rounds you have either expended or dodged. Share your expertise, I am sure there are many here who have flawed information concerning this cheap but reliable weapon.
I had many friends who were killed or wounded with this rifle and they often had faulty information regarding its capabilities; so please explain how you came to be an expert on the AK 47 and why I apparently know nothing.
Perhaps you are a gunsmith, a former military armorer, or a special ops guy; I am sure we are all intrigued, please explain your rather prideful boast.
I have no love for the rifle and if someone shows up on my place carrying one, he is going down, I can assure you, but I am very curious about your arrogance and how you came upon this lofty opinion of yourself.
@Skookum: Dude, chill-out. I was having fun with you.
I’ve been collecting them for 25 years, and if you have “no love” for that rifle, I’m sorry. What can I say aside from in your case “ignorance is bliss.”
@Skookum: Skookum, I really only said “disgree” because of my own political beliefs which come under fire from both the left and the right at times which is ok. And as for making mistakes and admiting them thats a symptom of a healthy and mature mind. A symptom which I would like to see alot more of from our presidents, and politicans. But then again that implies a “healthy mind”.
A collector, how impressive, I should have guessed your self-designation as an expert came from an obsession with owning the Opel of the gun world. Enjoy yourself, you paid for them, but you realize you can buy them around the world for peanuts.
I don’t want to go off topic of the AK 47. But I got an update stating that Obi just banned the import of nearly one million MI Garand rifles. We were so bummed on that news. Maybe it would have been easier to obtain on locally. We don’t like to mail order and all that stuff.
Skook, FYI
Eric Holder? Who does he work for? I need a flow chart.
Dr. John, tracking who was buying weapons on the U.S. side may have been started under the Bush administration, but Fast and Furious belongs to Obama, lock, stock and barrel. Now we are learning that the same program was being done to furnish weapons to MS-13 in Honduras. I guess by the time Eric Holder gets done with that, he won’t have known anything about Honduras, either.
And don’t confuse Operation Gunrunner with Fast and Furious. They may have been handled by the same departments, but they are not the same. Must make everyone feel all warm and fuzzy knowing that not only was $50 million given to the ATF for Operation Gunwalker, but also another $10 million out of the Stimulus Bill. Guess they were trying to create jobs for Mexican gunrunners.
Doc, thanks for the note of caution. Caution should always be used in these matters; however, Holder has already sworn in testimony that he knew nothing and the administration has already tried to obstruct the investigation with its treatment of Mosley. The noose is tightening daily around Holder’s neck. The MSM propaganda complex refuses to mention the story, if we refuse to mention it, the story will be even more likely to dissipate like the fog. If I am wrong, I will admit my mistakes; but for the present, it is damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!
So let me get this straight: The gunrunner Fast and Furious was financed by the Stimulus Bill, which Obama signed-so who really knew about that, must have been wuite a lot of democrats, because no republican voted for this bill, nor did they know what was in the bill.
Was Holder in Florida today to help or assist in the cover-up or shredding of documents regarding gunrunner in Honduras? Was the reason to support Zelaya (not sure if I spelled his name right) to run Fast and Furious out of Honduras, although he was a dictator in the making, removed by force by his own country, and yet Hllary and Obama blachmailed or black;listed this little country?
I think that issue is deeper then we know.
@retire05:
Absolutely.
That was my point.
Further evidence that Obama, Clinton, Holder, Napolitano, Geithner and Panetta aren’t just immoral.
They are [very] evil, also, imho; e.g., just look at the bigger picture.
They have destabilized the Americas, much of Europe and the entire Middle East, and clearly they are intent upon destabilizing much of the rest of the world, also, so that they can advance their “Greenie”, socialist agenda …; redistributing wealth and power vindictively from white people to people of color. It was so predictable.
Ditzy college kids, ditzy women and ditzy Jews think that it is so cool, too, just as they thought that it would be cool to have our first black president. We can thank those ditzy and bratty 52%ers for this whole, big mess.
Ivan and Skook, I’m going to split it down the middle, but only because it’s my view. Ivan is right the original design is hardly “modern”. However, there have been many modifications, updates, and even outright re-designs to it since.
The myth is that it is junk and suffers from poor accuracy. Depending on who made it, what Q.C. was used, what ammo is used, and how it’s been taken care of, that isn’t entirely untrue. With that said, someone who takes care to build one right and use decent quality ammo will not be ashamed of it’s performance.
Skook, I can understand your dislike of the rifle in light of your experiences. Several of my relatives fought the Japanese and the Nazis and I WILL NOT buy the weapons the Axis forces used. Really, why the hell would I want a weapon that may have killed one of our guys? I can only tell you that NONE of my AK-47s were EVER fired at an American and are being used in the ultimate irony—to PRESERVE the lives and freedoms of Americans. My ownership of them is not some sick vote of solidarity with the enemy, but merely a recognition that the AK-47 is quite useful to this day and even the average Joe can afford one.
Back to the thread.
I understand the need for caution, but THE BEST that can be said about this is that the people who put this into action are flaming inbreds. At worst evil and corrupt and guilty of conspiring to undermine Constitutional rights. Part of me wants to think it’s a massive cluster fark. That way I won’t have to face what wannabe fascists they are and how determined they are to take away our freedoms for their gain.
@Hard Right:
HR: You’re exhibiting the same irrational “logic” our “friends” on the left display with you hatred of the rifles of the axis. They are inanimate objects, nothing more, nothing less.
They are fun too shoot, also! I’d take a quality K43 over a “jam-o-matic” M1 Garand any day.
Ivan, we used the M1 in infantry training for several months, these weapons were old and we were in the swamps of NC for months in the rainy season, often without shelter. I was amazed at the ability of that rifle to fire and never jam. You may be thinking of the carbine. That one didn’t have a good reputation among the guys who were in Korea. I was so impressed with the ability of the M1, I have considered enlarging my rifle collection to two.
Although it is a big move for me, since I have had the same 8 MM Mauser for over fifty years. It is a 8 MM by 06 now with a Nickel barrel and a fiberglass stock. The years on the trap line and guiding in the mountains took a toll on everything but the receiver and the bolt. It has killed its fair share of game and is the best $60 I ever spent.
No one but a real weapons man would recognize it now. But when I was a kid I had to defend the only “big game” rifle I could afford. I did that a few times in shooting matches and many times in hunting game. I must load my own of course. I used to load for elk, moose, lion, and Grizzly; but when I was in the bush, I always kept the Grizzly rounds ( Hot and Heavy) in the magazine, just in case. So all my fancy loading was for naught. My rifle is called the poor man’s magnum and it has been more than good enough for me my whole life. It saved my life on several occasions and I suppose that is why I have never considered another rifle. Although I have considered the M14 without a selector switch. It is 20 years more modern than the Mauser and it operates flawlessly at 800 yards.
The reason I called the AK a modern weapon was because the article referred to the modern version of the 50′s as modern, it is modern compared to the pre ’47 models.
I appreciate and admire the bolt action, it stands to reason most of my shooting has been at a distance with one shot. I prefer not to let the game know where I am. Thus one shot is usually enough; although, I always have several more rounds in the magazine.
To me a rifle has aesthetic qualities that add to its appeal. The older rifles are more attractive to me; its like art, some weapons appeal to some and not to others.
When I said that someone who appeared on my place carrying an AK was in trouble I should explain. My yard is ten acres with a cyclone fence seven foot high. Someone has to crawl over that fence or cut through it to get inside, he will then need to kill the dogs or have them tear him to pieces and then he must face me. Needless to say, I don’t have many visitors; actually, there are none.
@Skookum: An M-1, Damn. I didn’t think you were that old! I figured maybe a few years older than me! As for the debate, I can appreciate your feelings about the AK. They are valid points. For what it’s worth my feelings are that you should get the best weapon you can afford for the purpose it is to serve and the one you shoot the best. The AK and M-16/M-4 are in the same category of firearm. Based on personal experience, I think the AK is better. I own both an AK and an M-4. The first time I ever fired my AK was on a qualification course for an M-16. I shot better with the AK right out of the box than the M-16 which is the weapon I trained on and qualified with for years. Naturally experiences vary from one to another. As for pistols, 1911 all the way!
The blood is on Hussein’s hands also. Not just Eric Holder.
BTW. That AK is a piece of crap. The AK was the original “spray and pray” even if you used your sights. I’ll take the Barrett .50 cal.
@Apache: The Barrett, now that’s an EXPENSIVE one to shoot. As for the AK, I think it was the sights. I never really liked the sight picture on a 16/M-4.
And yes, BHO is very much at fault. As cali in 27 pointed out, he signed the Stimulus Bill which is what funded it. He either signed the bill not knowing what was in there which makes him clueless as to what he is doing or he authorized all of those weapons to go into Mexico and then tried blaming law abiding gun owners for the mess as a cover. Remember how the left kept telling us about all the troops that were going to be killed in Afghanistan by American made weapons that were sent there when they were fighting the Soviets? Their silence is quite deafening right now.
Apache, good to have you again, you made it alive
you had me worry the last time,
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I haven no doubt that BO is involved; I was just waiting until there was more incriminating evidence. None the less the ligature is tightening day by day and if we didn’t write about it, no one would know about it. It is going to get a lot more interesting.
@Skookum: The ironic part about it is that the longer the administration and their MSM flunkies try to bury this, the closer to election time this will come full circle. The Republicans better have the guts to pursue this. Once it starts getting hot, there will be no shortage of charges of racism.
Ivan, on the one hand I understand what you say about being rational towards these weapons. On the other hand, I want nothing to do with one used to kill an American and that’s all there is to it.
I’m not a fan of the 8mm as I’m not a hunter and the ammo is more expensive than I care for. But you use what you have, can afford, and what works. I do own a few 91/30s and a post war production Yugo 24/47. The Yugo will be re-barreled to 6mm BR for target shooting at 600 and 1000 yards.
As Skook mentioned, the Garand was quite reliable and that is a historical fact. Ivan must have gotten one in need of maintanance. I’m not so sure about the reliability of the M1 carbine, tho. All I know now is that they cost as much as a Garand from the CMP.
Apache, I cannot agree with you about the AK-47 and I wouldn’t use the fighters in Iraq or Afghanistan as a reference or a performance benchmark . Also, the Barrett is a tad heavy to carry around and has just a weeeee bit of muzzle flash and bark. That’s no so bad when you are a ways away, but that isn’t always an option.
If what Issa said can be trusted, then Holder is criminally culpable IMHO and should be prosecuted or at the minimum removed from office. There is just no way it was simply a bad idea. No one is that stupid.
Another Vet, I had not considered what BO was going to do once he felt like the investigation was closing in. I think we could be in for some radical behavior. When a coward panics, he can be extremely dangerous. We have all seen what he does when his authority is not respected in negotiation. It will be quite a show.
I don’t think there is any way in Hell he didn’t know about and approve the whole program, but we will need the proof.
SKOOKUM, hi, that made me remember what the “INSIDER MENTIONED”
the last time I checked!!! HE SAID, there is something very big coming,
you will hear about it , that was before this was out in the open,
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@Skookum: I concur on all your points. He needs to remember that it was the cover up that did in Nixon and the lying that got Clinton impeached. Once the doodoo hits the fan, there is no telling what he’ll do other than not tell the truth.
BO will “Boil in his own Oil”. Reagan’s Iran-Contra Affair was a stroke of genius, Hussein’s operation Fast and Furious is an act of stupidity. Americans have been murdered. Their blood lies in the hands of Hussein and Holder. As a result of Hussein’s cover-up, I’m certain this will be another nail in his coffin for the 2012 elections, that is, if he survives the impeachment hearings.
Hard Right, I really hate to get into a firearm’s argument, we could be here all day and well into the night. The only ones to proffer would be the beer salesmen.
@Apache: The murdered Border Patrol Agent’s family is considering a lawsuit. Considering “The Party” is a big proponent of people suing gun dealers and gun manufacturers when guns end up in the hands of criminals through illegal means, I wonder what their position will be especially considering they knew beforehand the firearms were being put in the hands of criminals. Perhaps they’ll revert back to one of their favorite excuses of the 90′s and tell us they did it to protect the children.
another vet………Ya, time to turn on the Blame-Throwers. I’m as sick of their excuses as anyone. If the Good Lord loved liars, he’d love everyone in “The Regime” to death.
@Apache: Perhaps Curt can get a pool going as to who the first one to play the race card will be- JJ, Sharpton, Farrakhan, Wright, Holder, or the man himself. It’s a shame we have to even consider this when talking about a President, but that’s the level he has brought the office down to.
Deputy Attorney General David Ogden is shown in this video that resurfaced Friday as he addresses reporters at a Department of Justice briefing.
He goes on to outline that plan, using the exact words below:
After watching this video, the reasons behind Ogden’s resignation after working for Attorney General Eric Holder for less than a year, seem clear: He wanted to reduce his chances of becoming the “fall guy” for the Obama Administration after news of this doomed-from-the-start gun-running operation became public. Nineteen months later, the “cat” that is Project Gunrunner is out of the proverbial bag.
More here.
Thanks Nan, excellent items. How much longer can the evasion and corruption continue. The length of time before heads roll will be inversely proportional to the loss of integrity and the rule of law within our federal government. In other words, if Obama can finish his term before this mess heads to court and before we see some of these Marxists doing the perp walk, you can forget about the United States you once knew, it will be the Obamanation and there will be nothing we can do about it. Everyone is waiting, but the propaganda bureaus that MO says they owe so much too, wont touch it. I promise to hammer it every time I find material or until the Brownshirts come to get me.
So Obama, put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Please add dates to articles/posts.
Tiahrt was on the news this weekend, 23 July 2011, commenting on Holders interpretation of the Tiahrt ammendment before congress early in this administration. I think it should be in congressional records the perversion of collecting trace data into something which would allow the sale of weapons in violation of export law. Then somebody at the State Department would have had to turn a blind eye to the activity since these regulations fall under their jurisdiction..
BILL ,
HI, I always gauge myself with the first comment ,on the date on the right under the comment,
it was july 8 th 2011
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