8 May

Obama spikes the football [Reader Post]

                                       

“we don’t need to spike the football,” said Barack Obama in regard to the assassination of Osama Bin Laden. Then Obama went out and spiked the football at Ground Zero and elsewhere.

Obama addressed the troops at Fort Campbell

(Reuters) – President Barack Obama, basking in U.S. public approval for the killing of Osama bin Laden, flew to a military base in Kentucky on Friday to thank special forces who carried out the deadly raid and led a rally filled with cheering troops.

As he rightly congratulated all those involved in the mission, Obama could not avoid the first person reference:

“It was a chance for me to say on behalf of all Americans and people around the world: Job well done,”

Obama preens at Ground Zero

NEW YORK – Solemnly honoring victims of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, President Barack Obama hugged survivors, thanked the heroes of one of the nation’s darkest days and declared Thursday that the killing of Osama bin Laden after all these years was an American message to the world: “When we say we will never forget, we mean what we say.”

(He skipped out on Ground Zero last year in 9-11)

Obama grants firemen an audience

The President said the Navy SEALs who took Osama bin Laden out did so, in part, in the name of their brothers who perished in 9/11.

“You’re always going to have a president and an administration who appreciate you being a photo op in the re-election campaign whose got your back,” Obama declared.

Another photo op at a Police Station

NEW YORK – President Barack Obama has dropped in on a New York City police station in lower Manhattan, continuing a tour of New York 9/11 landmarks in the wake of the U.S. commando raid that killed terror mastermind Osama bin Laden.

Not everyone appreciated this victory lap.

David Beamer

David Beamer, father of 9/11 victim Todd Beamer on FOX News: “I feel some chagrin now, though, about how the rest of it has been handled. And frankly it started May Day, 2011 when the president announced what had happened. The excessive use of the personal pronoun that he used in his remarks, I really felt that was the beginning of the Commander-in-Chief putting too much spotlight on himself, taking too much credit for what the remarkable Americans had done. And of course it’s only now accelerated to a greater degree in the media. “

Debra Burlingame

Debra Burlingame, the sister of Charles “Chic” Burlingame (pilot of the plane that crashed into the Pentagon) met with President Obama today, along with other families who were victims of 9/11. Burlingame said she confronted Obama about Attorney General Eric Holder prosecuting the men who interrogated KSM, which may have produced intelligence leading us to bin Laden.

Burlingame describes the encounter with Obama: “As a former attorney I know you can’t tell the Attorney General what to do, he said, ‘No, I can’t.’ But I said ‘we — that shouldn’t stop you from giving your opinion. We wouldn’t be here today if they hadn’t done their jobs. Can’t you at least give them your opinion.’ And he said ‘no I won’t,’ and he turned around and walked away.”


9-11 Family Declines Obama White House Invite: “It’s Nothing But a Photo-Op”

As 50 carefully selected families prepare to join President Barack Obama for a ceremony at the World Trade Center site Thursday, one of the invited 9/11 families have decided to pass on the Commander-in-chief’s visit.

Although many consider it to be a once in a lifetime invitation, the Vigiano family of Deer Park, Long Island have respectfully declined.

“If this form letter was the invitation, it was kinda lame,” John Vigiano told PIX 11 News when describing the email invitation sent to him from the White House…

George W. Bush

“[Bush] viewed this as an Obama victory lap,” a highly-placed source told the Daily News Wednesday.

“Obama gave no credit whatsoever to the intelligence infrastructure the Bush administration set up that is being hailed from the left and right as setting in motion the operation that got Bin Laden. It rubbed Bush the wrong way.”

As he basks in the afterglow of the Bin Laden killing sucking all of the adulation and oxygen out of the atmosphere around him, not only does Obama not extend credit to those very CIA interrogators that led to Bin Laden, Obama is still pursuing the prosecution of those who provided that intel.

As the whole of America takes a bin Laden victory lap, let us pause to remember some of this celebrated event’s most forgotten men: the Central Intelligence Agency officers who sit under the cloud of a criminal investigation begun in 2009 by Attorney General Eric Holder into their interrogations of captured terrorists.

That’s right, the Americans whose interrogation of al Qaeda operatives may have put in motion the death of this mass murderer may themselves face prosecution by the country they were trying to protect.

It is time for the Holder CIA investigation to end. The death of bin Laden 10 years after 9/11 makes the Holder investigation of the CIA interrogators politically, emotionally and morally moot.

But it lives.

And as a comedic distraction:

Obama Tries Not to Take ‘Victory Lap’ at Ground Zero

That’s 15 yards.

About DrJohn

DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education. DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed. Except for liberals being foolish.
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46 Responses to Obama spikes the football [Reader Post]

  1. MataHarley says: 1

    Drj in OP: (He skipped out on Ground Zero last year in 9-11)

    Drj, this is somewhat dependent upon parsing of words. Obama didn’t “skip” the 9/11 memorial observation in 2010. He was at the Pentagon that year, instead of at the WTC site. The Pentagon was also a target that day, and sometimes I think that site… as well as the Shanksville site… are often triaged down in importance to the WTC. Perhaps it’s because of the numbers of lives lost in the minds of many. But I consider all three as part and parcel of the same event. A memorial at the WTC is no more important than a memorial at the other two sites.

    The important thing is that the event was, indeed, officially honored by a sitting POTUS. Had he let that day go by with no observation, you would find me in agreement. But I don’t have any problem with him appearing at the Pentagon instead of the WTC in 2010.

    But you can’t have it both ways. You diss him for being at the Pentagon instead of NYC in 2010, but then criticize him for visiting both the NYFD and NYPD precincts, as well as the WTC site, after UBL’s death?

    Granted, I didn’t need the May 6th visit to the WTC as necessary for “closure”. But then it’s not one of my friends or family members who was lost in that attack. Those families may feel quite differently.

    And yes, I certainly think he had grander plans for a ceremony, had both Dubya and Rudy showed up.

    But I sure don’t fault him for deciding to mark the event of Bin Laden’s death with a visit. It is a notable day in history. Fact is, both the firemen and police were honored to have him there, and it’s a first for him to speak with them personally. Also, in the wake of UBL’s death, I believe there were many families – as well as most of the nation – who are grateful that he did give the order to proceed, and welcomed the chance to say so.

    OP’s quote by Obama: “It was a chance for me to say on behalf of all Americans and people around the world: Job well done,”

    Oh puleeze… this is hardly comparable to the genuinely less gracious statement made on May 1st. Would you accept that same sentiment if he had said “on behalf of a grateful, nation, I thank you”? Is it merely the presence of a first person pronoun that sends you into an ODS frenzy? In which case every POTUS in our history is also guilty of the same.

    Occasionally, Drj, this POTUS does something right. He was right to seize on the intel obtained by Bush admin and under their policies. He was right to give the order to proceed. He was right to award the Seals the PUD, to meet with them personally, and to address the troops at Fort Campbell to thank them – and all our military – for their service.

    It would be gracious to recognize those very rare instances. We will have ample more beefs, and do, with other issues on waging the war against the global Islamic jihad movements and his wisdom as a CiC. But the statement with the first person pronoun, nor mischaracterization of his 2010 memorial at the Pentagon instead of the WTC, are not worthy of such criticism.

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  2. drjohn says: 2

    @MataHarley: Coming to Obama’s defense with a straw man argument? People could begin to wonder.

    He also skipped GZ in 2009.

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  3. rich wheeler says: 3

    Mata Thank you for your well written response. Dr. J. is an Obama hater as bad as any of the Bush haters, His consistantly one sided commentary makes it difficult to attach credance to anything he posts.

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  4. MataHarley says: 4

    Yes, Drj.. He “skipped” honoring the 9/11 attacks by being at the Pentagon in 2009 too. sigh… Seriously liberal interpretations to rest your venom on, don’t you think?

    ’tis a pity your stuff is so over the top that I’m forced to defend the truth, and by proxy, a POTUS who I vehemently disapprove of.

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  5. DrJohn says: 5

    @MataHarley: Golly, Mata, let’s see if we can have a close look at this. Two years in a row Obama decided to go to the Pentagon on 9-11 instead of to Ground Zero. So why wouldn’t Obama go to GZ at least once?

    Could be because it’s a long flight. It’s gotta be 30 minutes at least.

    Maybe it would screw with his tee time or a fund raiser.

    Could be because it’s a lot to do in one day. His speech at the Pentagon last September was less than ten minutes long. Maybe it wore the guy out.

    Then again, I remember Obama doing Oprah in Chicago and then hitting NYC for three fund raisers all in one day!

    So he couldn’t find time to visit NYC at least once on 9-11?

    Maybe he wanted to save fuel.

    Then again, maybe not. This guy burned 53,000 gallons of jet fuel and spewed who knows how much CO2 delivering an Earth Day message.

    So I’m not seeing a good reason for him not to spend a couple of minutes at Ground Zero on one of those anniversaries.

    And finally, as Curt is the final word on whether something is posted or not, your criticism falls on him as well as me. You see, I figure that if Curt really disliked it he wouldn’t post it.

    Maybe you could ask to be the editor.

    Happy Mother’s Day!

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  6. MataHarley says: 6

    Drj… your own dismay at Obama not honoring the 9/11 memorials at the place of your chosing is your only defense. Personally, I find that you seem to feel that the Pentagon… also a target… doesn’t muster up to your approval somewhat weird.

    And finally, as Curt is the final word on whether something is posted or not, your criticism falls on him as well as me. You see, I figure that if Curt really disliked it he wouldn’t post it.

    So when I disagree with you, according to you, I’m now criticizing Curt? My my.. that’s interesting.

    Unlike you, I don’t speak for Curt. Nor do I hold Curt culpable for something that you write in a reader’s post. Nice emulation of an Obama-shuffle-of-culpabilty, Drj. Shows you haven’t got it in you to take responsibility for your own feedback on your own words, and instead assumes that Curt is so narrow minded as to only allow reader submissions that echo his own personal beliefs. Chutzpah.

    If you want an echo chamber, I suggest the nearest mirror.

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  7. DrJohn says: 7

    @MataHarley: More straw men, Mata? Really? That’s two of out three thus far.

    I can’t say for certain as I have not asked, but I am not sure Curt would insert here much he considered “over the top.” My guess is that he’d say something first.

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  8. DrJohn says: 8

    @MataHarley:

    Shows you haven’t got it in you to take responsibility for your own feedback on your own words

    I am answering your recriminations reasonably politely I think and each time you come back with something ad hominem along with the straw men.

    Could you try to stay on the honest side of this discussion? Please?

    Thank you.

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  9. anticsrocks says: 9

    My two cents:

    Obama was right for using the intel to get Bin Laden.

    He was right for addressing the troops and thanking them.

    He was in a gray area as to the GZ ceremony, but then again marking Bin Laden’s death just might have brought some closure to some of the 9/11 families.

    He is wrong for allowing Holder to pursue possible criminal charges on the CIA interrogators.

    He was wrong for not crediting Bush for his role in this. Obama wouldn’t have had to even say Bush by name, he could have just said something along the lines of: “Thanks to the efforts, policies and procedures put in place by the previous administration, we were able to act on intel and bring about the demise of Osama Bin Laden.”

    He was wrong for the way he dismissed Debra Burlingame instead of taking the time to listen to her and at least give her the respect that she deserves, the least of all because she is a 9/11 widow, but mostly because she is an American citizen and one of his constituents.

    Has Obama taken a victory lap RE: Bin Laden’s death? It surely smacks of that, but then again there are a myriad of other things to focus our attention on in holding this man accountable for what he has done/is doing to our country.

    I believe Dr.John is right in that Obama should have taken time to visit GZ before now at least once since he took office. But I also believe that Mata is right when she suggests that his being at the Pentagon on the previous 9/11 anniversaries can suffice for his honoring of the event – albeit just barely.

    A better course would have been to be at the Pentagon one year, Shanksville another and GZ another, not necessarily in that order, but then that would probably be too much foresight for this POTUS. He would have scored plenty of political capital by visiting all three sites in turn, showing the families of ALL the victims of 9/11 that he cared. Unfortunately it seems that his treatment of Mrs. Burlingame shows his true feelings. I might be wrong on this, but why would any POTUS do that to her?

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  10. blogforce one says: 10

    One thing to consider is the fact that POTUS Obama signed the order for the Liquidation of OBL. He will be President for a period of time into the future but one day, he will not be President anymore and his Secret Service security envelope will shrink considerably. At that time and into the future he and his family unfortunately will be at a much greater risk of physical harm than any prior CIC due to threats from AQ. So, if he wants to take the lions share of credit, there is a downside cost to him in the future. the White House has handled the whole affair after the fact like rank amaturs.

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  11. DrJohn says: 11

    @anticsrocks:

    A better course would have been to be at the Pentagon one year, Shanksville another and GZ another, not necessarily in that order, but then that would probably be too much foresight for this POTUS.

    Exactly.

    He could very easily visit any two on any one day. Had he returned to the Pentagon once again during this victory dance it would be consistent, but we all know that the images of Obama visiting GZ are going to reappear as campaign fodder in the guise of Obama reuniting the country or as

    “The man who shot Liberty Bin Laden.”

    That’s what makes it all so loathsome.

    He was wrong for not crediting Bush for his role in this. Obama wouldn’t have had to even say Bush by name, he could have just said something along the lines of: “Thanks to the efforts, policies and procedures put in place by the previous administration, we were able to act on intel and bring about the demise of Osama Bin Laden.”

    Again, yes. Obama was willing to blame Bush for everything but is willing to share credit with Bush for nothing. With Obama, it’s 99.9% narcissism and 0.1% patriotism.

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  12. MataHarley says: 12

    drj, reality ain’t gonna settle well with your finger pointing here. Bush’s 2002 rememberance was at the Pentagon. In 2003, he traveled to none of the sites, and delivered a speech at St. Johns Episcopal church a few blocks from the WH. 2004, campaign year, he used the day to update the world on the GWOT. Boy did he catch hell with the lib/progs that year. In 2005, they marked the event with a moment of silence on the WH lawn… again, not traveling to the sites. They did the same in 2007.

    Only in two of the seven years, of all the annniversaries, did Bush participate in events at all three sites… the fifth anniversary in 2006, and his last year of office.

    Every year, Bush was damned by the lib/progs for either being, or not being, at the WTC. It seems you are the yin to the lib/progs yang when it comes to Obama. Their behavior was deplorable about ceremony sites, and yours is no better.

    Your post is about “spiking the football”. Presumably that means he is using the Bin Laden kill to elevate himself. However the POTUS has only officially spoken twice publicly about the event. The deplorable 9 minute statement on Sunday, and the address to the troops on May 6th. In that Friday speech, he credited the past admin officials… military and intelligence. You’re still not happy. You want him to name Bush, yet the former POTUS isn’t so self-focused. He only wanted recognition for his admin personnel…. not himself. He got that in the Fort Campbell speech.

    I have no problems with Obama marking this event at the WTC site because I’m quite sure many – if not all – families welcomed that appearance. However this is not outside the scope of a sitting POTUS. He made no pontifications… and that’s likely because of the absence of both Bush and Rudy. Of course, that’s speculation on my part. But somehow I guess that the original event was not to invite both those men just to place a wreath in silence. So he did not “spike the football” that day. Nor did he “spike the football” when speaking with the firemen or policemen. Apparently, if he even shows up at these places, he is… to you… “spiking the football”.

    And yes, he was deplorable to Burlingame at the 9/11 family meeting, which many of us noted in that featured video thread and other places. Yet that is still not “spiking the football”. His AG was in the process of wasting time for yet another investigation long before Bin Laden was killed. They are unrelated.

    Pretty much all you did was combine a bunch of events to nit pick the day and event. Most of what you cite above, I have little problem with… i.e. his meeting with NY firemen and police, his speech and choice of language at Fort Campbell, and laying a wreath at the WTC site. Oddly enough, what you could most criticize you don’t bother to bring up… the constantly changing stories of the mission.

    But even that’s not “spiking the football”. Desperate stretch in all arenas, drj.

    BTW, the 2011 Sept 11th ceremony at Shanksville is to feature both First Ladies, Laura Bush and Michelle Obama.

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  13. DrJohn says: 13

    @MataHarley: Your opinion is noted, Mata.

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  14. rich wheeler says: 14

    Mata vs Dr.J. Smackdown!

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  15. MataHarley says: 15

    @anticsrocks: Obama wouldn’t have had to even say Bush by name, he could have just said something along the lines of: “Thanks to the efforts, policies and procedures put in place by the previous administration, we were able to act on intel and bring about the demise of Osama Bin Laden.”

    anticsrocks, I have the 16 minutes speech at Fort Campbell on my Seals thread. To your above, he did not use your exact wording, but the phrase used to accomplish what you – and I – wanted to hear was…

    This has been a historic week in the life of our nation. Thanks to the incredible skill and courage of countless individuals… intelligence, military… over many years, the terrorist leader who struck our nation on 9/11 will never threaten American again.

    Everyone in the nation (who pays attention) knows this intel goes back to 2003-04, and again in 2007, via new reports. “intelligence, military… over many years” was the phrase used to acknowledge those who worked prior to his POTUS term. I’m sure that won’t be enough for some because they are looking for something that no Democrat will ever do… backtrack on policies they oppose publicly.

    I believe Dr.John is right in that Obama should have taken time to visit GZ before now at least once since he took office. But I also believe that Mata is right when she suggests that his being at the Pentagon on the previous 9/11 anniversaries can suffice for his honoring of the event – albeit just barely.

    So do you want to rethink that statement in light of my current events history in @my comment #12? Or do you consider Bush’s annual observations of 9/11, for the majority of the years while he was in office, also “just barely”? Jus’ askin’.

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  16. anticsrocks says: 16

    @MataHarley: You said:

    So do you want to rethink that statement in light of my current events history in @my comment #12? Or do you consider Bush’s annual observations of 9/11, for the majority of the years while he was in office, also “just barely”? Jus’ askin’.

    No, I don’t really need to rethink my position. I was merely commenting on the tussle between you and Dr. John. I think that in this case, Obama’s views on all things Muslim creates for him, a public relations nightmare and in his case any honorings he makes need to be a bit more “out there.” In other words, his views make him walk a tight rope between showing the average American that he cares and showing his left wing base that he is above those public displays.

    When Bush gave a speech about 9/11, it was easily evident that he meant what he said and that he cared deeply, whereas Obama’s monotone delivery doesn’t allow for him to portray that same level of connection to folks. It is clear that he is out of touch, look at his handling of that man’s complaining about high gas prices by telling him to buy a new car/minivan. Someone that out of touch has to go out of his way to demonstrate what came naturally to Bush.

    So, no I don’t want to rethink my position. It stands because in this POTUS’ case, he has a long way to go to prove he genuinely cares.

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  17. Wordsmith says: 17

    @MataHarley:

    BTW, the 2011 Sept 11th ceremony at Shanksville is to feature both First Ladies, Laura Bush and Michelle Obama.

    As had happened in 2010:


    First Lady Michelle Obama and Former First Lady Laura Bush survey the site of the Flight 93 airplane crash in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, September 11, 2010. (Official White House Photo by Chuck Kennedy)

    Every year, Bush was damned by the lib/progs for either being, or not being, at the WTC. It seems you are the yin to the lib/progs yang when it comes to Obama. Their behavior was deplorable about ceremony sites, and yours is no better.

    I agree with Mata’s points as laid out in her comments. It’s what I expressed concern on in this thread when our side becomes so critical of the other side that we become the mirror image of those who had suffered Bush Derangement Syndrome. It looked ridiculous when the left did it to Bush and it looks embarrassing when our side does it to Obama….and it’s an election loser when we look like partisanly deranged nutjobs to those who don’t navigate on the fringes.

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  18. MataHarley says: 18

    anticsrocks: No, I don’t really need to rethink my position. I was merely commenting on the tussle between you and Dr. John. I think that in this case, Obama’s views on all things Muslim creates for him, a public relations nightmare and in his case any honorings he makes need to be a bit more “out there.”

    That’s one interesting observation, anticsrocks. And I think one that depends upon perception. Technically, Obama’s views on “all things Muslim” echoes Bush’s in that both have stressed the GWOT is not a war against Islam, but a war against those that adher to a radical view of Islam. Where perception comes in is that Obama has to do more because they believe he is a closet Muslim. That is not a view I hold. Nor do I believe that he isn’t genuine is his “care” about the attack on the US in 2001. But it’s interesting that you freely admit you hold Obama to a higher standard than you do Bush.

    I don’t argue that Obama is a cold fish compared to Bush when it comes to conveying emotion. Indeed, he doesn’t convey emotion much at all in any leadership realm. There is a genuine warmth to the latter, and none to the former, that comes across in any speech comparison. Two different men. Two different POTUS and leadership styles.

    But I like consistency. Frankly, I find it hard to criticize Obama when he carries on the same foreign policies that Bush set into place with which I agreed… that includes pursuing Bin Laden, attempting (even if unsuccessfully and only giving military a portion of what they asked) Afghanistan. Afghanistan, of course, will be going by the wayside shortly, as I predicted… UBL’s death is his “out”/exit strategy now….

    He shuns Gitmo but can’t close it and resumed those dreaded military tribunals. He has his own “Gitmo” in Afghanistan, where he continues to hold militants caught on the battlefield without charges or trials to this day. He continues to pound Pakistan, and now Yemen, with predator drone attacks… just as Bush did. He also has not screwed up Iraq’s SOFA agreement when, if he wanted to remain true to his campaign promises, he would have shortened the agreed upon schedule of withdrawal.

    In these Bushisms, I have no quarrel.

    The foreign policy faux pas that bother me are supporting the wrong side in rebellions for our allies/adversaries… Egypt, Iran, Yemen, Honduras etal… his coldness towards longstanding allies, Israel and the UK, and the more than harsh lip service and perhaps questionable actions in Pakistan. There is an uneasy alliance between us and them that he is doing more to erode than to foster. But you will find a split in the conservative world over the US/Pakistan relationship as well. Some just want to cut the cash and dump them. We need them because they are the hottest bed… both historically and currently… for militants. And they need us to balance their border battles with India. They are a nuke nation, and a center for counterintelligence… we need them as a quasi ally, which is the best we will ever get. Obama’s boldness in offending and crossing into Pakistan’s sovereignty may be an error. But only time will tell.

    I’m happy to assault Obama on hypocrisy and non-Bush’ish policy decisions. I’m not happy to assault him on piddly stuff, like going to the WTC, talking with firemen and police, or where he chooses to mark the 9/11 ceremony annually. Not unless I want to be “consistent” and also criticize Bush for not showing up at the WTC for anniversary ceremonies but twice in his seven years… or in some cases, not showing up at any site for many years. To do otherwise is just to behave as ridiculous and petty as the lib/progs.

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  19. johngalt says: 19

    @MataHarley:

    I’m going to criticize Obama for ‘spiking the football’ for different reasons that Dr. J. I am doing so because after listening to Ollie North, on the announcement that UBL had been killed, he made comments along the lines that the Obama admin should have kept their mouths shut.

    Think about it. Yes, we killed UBL, but we also gathered some, at the time, very useful information, that has since become useless because not only do AQ terrorists know that we killed UBL, but that we have that info, from his computer and other documents found, as well. We are still at war, with terrorism, are we not? Wouldn’t it have behooved us, as a country, to keep quiet about it, and use that info we acquired, to our benefit, and reached out and touched a few more of the top terrorists, that UBL was in communications with? That was Ollie North’s point.

    In my opinion, Obama’s ‘spiking the football’, was purely about him. I believe that he felt the need to proclaim his own success, so widely, that Bush failed on, simply to improve his own standing, in regards to foreign policy and fighting terrorism. To do that, he had to disregard all the positive benefits we could have gained from the killing, and retrieving of the info, simply to stand up and proudly show that he is “the man”. He saw the killing of UBL, not as a success for the country, and then to proceed with the best course of action, for the country, but as his own success, that he achieved, that the previous WH occupant couldn’t.

    Just my two cents on it, and this is after a week or so of thinking on it. I believe Obama has failed the country, in proclaiming so loudly of his/our achievement.

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  20. MataHarley says: 20

    I have no quarrel with criticism on the WH’s handling of the mission in the aftermath, johngalt. Don’t consider this “spiking the football” since their ineptitude certainly doesn’t improve the Zero’s standing for approval for a ga’zillion different stories. I’m also watching the media push that Obama – oops, Freudian slip… OSAMA – was “active” via that intel when, from what I understand, he had ideas, but no actual planning and financing in place. The guy had nothing else to do but dream for a 10th anniversary assault to get him back in the spotlight. He was forever being overshadowed by the new breed of AQ.

    But, to be specific, Obama’s only publicly spoken about this twice… the one exception being the 60 minutes interview he did while in NYC that I haven’t seen yet. In the first statement, he definitely spiked and has been torn apart since then. Friday, at Fort Campbell, nor in speaking with troops and police, he did not. Certainly if he allowed personal accolades to dominate the 60 minutes interview, criticism about spiking the football is fully warranted. Nothing in this little diddy of a post does, tho. Even your criticisms are unrelated to those laid out in this post. I calls ‘em as I sees ‘em.

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  21. MataHarley says: 21

    BTW, since I mentioned it, here’s the full transcript to Obama’s interview with 60 Minutes. Steve Kroft, the interviewer, did pose most all questions with the “how did you feel, what did you feel” typical approach of soft ball liberal media. But the money quote is below:

    KROFT: When the mission was over . . .

    PRESIDENT OBAMA: Uh-huh.

    KROFT: . . . and you walked out of the situation room . . . .

    PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yeah.

    KROFT: . . . what did you do? What was the first thing you did?

    PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yeah, I think I walked up with my team, and I just said, “We got him.” And I expressed my profound gratitude and pride to the team that had worked on this.

    I mean keep in mind this is something, first of all, that that wasn’t just our doing. Obviously since 2001, countless folks in our intelligence community and our military had worked on this issue. President Bush had obviously devoted a lot of resources to this, and so there was a cumulative effort and a testament to the capacity of the United States of America to follow through. And to do what we said we’re gonna do. Even across administrations, across party lines and the skill with which our intelligence and military folks operated in this was indescribable.

    Apparently, after taking a sideshow clown dunking after his 9 minute speech, he’s figured out that no one buys into any single admin’s credit, and that it’s certainly not okay to not pay due respect for those that planned and executed the mission.

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  22. rich wheeler says: 22

    Mata # 21 re BHO 60 minute interview. Will this quiet the screams of Dr.J. and his mini-me anticsrocks?

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  23. DrJohn says: 23

    @MataHarley: Underwhelming.

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  24. DrJohn says: 24

    (The Hill) — President Obama is taking “somewhat of a victory lap” following the killing of Osama bin Laden, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) said Monday.

    Boehner largely praised Obama’s decision to execute the raid on the al Qaeda leader’s Pakistani compound and the president’s decision not to release photos of bin Laden’s body. But he said that Obama has gone to lengths to take credit for bin Laden’s slaying.

    “There’s no question that there is somewhat of a victory lap going on,” Boehner said on conservative talker Sean Hannity’s radio show.

    Some of Obama’s critics questioned his conduct following the bin Laden mission in lieu of his decision not to release the reportedly “gruesome” photos of bin Laden’s body.

    Critics say there is disparity between the president’s schedule last week, when he held several events with military members and retired veterans, and his comments on CBS’s “60 Minutes,” when he justified the decision to withhold the photos, saying “we don’t spike the football” and it “is not who we are.”

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  25. johngalt says: 25

    @MataHarley:

    Even your criticisms are unrelated to those laid out in this post. I calls ‘em as I sees ‘em.

    Yes, I know they aren’t. And they weren’t meant to be related to Dr. J’s post. My point is that, in my opinion, no word at all should have been said about it. Obama let a big, BIG opportunity slip through his fingers, choosing to focus on informing the world of UBL’s death, when the bigger picture is that the info could have netted many more AQ operatives, either captured, or killed. And I think he did this based on being able to “toot his own horn”, so to speak, and letting that desire override any thoughts of using the information gathered to our advantage. But then, for opportunists, like Obama is, I really shouldn’t expect anything different.

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  26. anticsrocks says: 26

    @MataHarley: You said:

    But it’s interesting that you freely admit you hold Obama to a higher standard than you do Bush.

    You misunderstand me, Mata. I did not say that I hold Obama to any standard. What I said was that his views on “all things Muslim” forced him into a public affairs nightmare.

    Allow me to explain: When the man has his admin stop even using the words terrorists and Islamic Extremists, calling terror attacks “man caused disasters,” and stating that Islamic terrorists (i.e., Christmas Day Bomber, Ft. Hood, Times Square Bomber, etc…) are lone individuals working without ties to terror groups then I believe it makes it harder for him to connect with the average American who looks to their leader for reassurance, not PC lectures with his “Let’s not be hasty” comments.

    Has he continued the Bush policies? Yes to a point, and as you mentioned above he also has turned his back on key allies, as well.

    @little dickie wheeler: Obviously you did not read what I wrote about what Mata and Dr. J were going back and forth over. I agreed with both of them on certain issues, Mata was correct in pointing out that Obama derangement is ugly and does our side no good at all. I merely chipped in that Obama’s own actions have put him behind the 8 ball with the average American as far as his sincerity on these issues.

    If agreeing with both both Mata and Dr. J on various points makes me a “mini-me” then so be it. You seem to delight in ad hominem attacks on me, that is why I began referring to you as little dickie wheeler. Just giving as good as I get.

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  27. MataHarley says: 27

    @johngalt, I can somewhat agree that perhaps all news of the mission should have been withheld for a later time. The question would be, would that have been leaked anyway? Afterall, this admin and our media leaks like a sieve… Then there’s the events in Pakistan, as well. How difficult would it be to hide US choppers, explosions and Pakistani jets scrambling to the scene? It’s not like this was completely stealth to the average local UBL neighbor.

    Then, of course, would have been nice if they had gotten their stories straight.

    @DrJohn, no surprise Boehner is talking up trash news. He’s dedicated to keeping the spotlight away from him and the GOP, ditching the Medicare reform, while speaking with forked tongue about getting “serious” about cutting spending. As long as he can keep you ODS types focused on this stuff, you’ll never notice.

    The lib/progs are not the only ones adept at distractions. It’s a distinctly political trait.

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  28. MataHarley says: 28

    @anticsrocks, clarification acknowledged. I believe what I focused on in my observation of a “higher standard” was your comment that he needs to be “a bit more ‘out there'”. My response is that it’s the perception of so many conservatives that he is a closet Muslim that drives your added demands upon his performance.

    When you compare apples to apples, his observations of 9/11 ceremonies differ little from Bush’s historically.

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  29. anticsrocks says: 29

    @MataHarley: You said:

    When you compare apples to apples, his observations of 9/11 ceremonies differ little from Bush’s historically.

    Yup, that is why I agreed with you.

    I believe Dr.John is right in that Obama should have taken time to visit GZ before now at least once since he took office. But I also believe that Mata is right when she suggests that his being at the Pentagon on the previous 9/11 anniversaries can suffice for his honoring of the event – albeit just barely.

    My only caveat was his head in the sand approach to terrorism calling his sincerity into question.

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  30. rich wheeler says: 30

    ANTICSROCKS #26 Are you suggesting Dr. J is suffering from Obama Derangement Syndrome?”Physician heal thyself”

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  31. anticsrocks says: 31

    @little dickie wheeler: What I am suggesting is that you walk west until your hat floats.

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  32. Chill says: 32

    Very entertaining comments. Here is my input on the VICTORY LAP concept:

    Somniloquence
    (Talking In One’s Sleep)

    For forty minutes the Obambo faced
    Hostile action without  the taste
    Of refreshments served on toast.
    His gaunt cheeks hollow as a ghost;
    Sporadic chills of stoic scenery
    Intruded on the large screen TV,
    Infringing on the working machinery
    ‘Til hunger gave way to his plea.

    The air grew stressed with hunger’s song
    Of caviar on toast and other entities.
    There he was – Obambo standing strong,
    Among all those quivering shaky leaves,
    As they watched the action or not.
    A bulwark of courage during the assault,
    Waiting to see who they really got,
    Obambo’s bravery by personal default.

    Such monumental nerves of stone,
    Whose dainty ass graced grandiose,
    Entirely reserved for himself alone;
    Not the guys who delivered the blows.
    He prances around with his great success,
    A murderer, an assassin with no regret.
    Yet, he still charges those who did assess
    And get the intel that destroyed the threat.

    Tracing back Obambo’s woes
    Of hypocrisy and liberal hate,
    A portal of socialist prose
    With an elaborate ruse of late.
    Watching the events from his chair,
    Or maybe sleeping or maybe not,
    The story unfolded on this affair
    Born in greatness on the spot.

    The great commander stalked his prey,
    Weaving tales of greatness for his soul.
    Trolling the TV air for votes each day,
    Forgetting the SEALS and their role,
    Whose harmonies and brave cadence
    Meet sweet liberal honey and its shame;
    Pretending to be the hero of reference;
    Looking for the glory and the fame.

    Courage and brilliance now the liberal essence,
    Perpetually bestowed upon the Chosen One.
    Telling us the stories in somniloquence,
    Exactly how he did it and how he finally won.
    How many stories did he tell and then change?
    Change it often and hope no one really cares.
    Since he really did not see it, stop and rearrange,
    Was it caviar or just cheese and wine downstairs?

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  33. Zac says: 33

    Hey Chill! Nice poetry! I think you and Skookum will get along very well. Haha!

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  34. rich wheeler says: 34

    #31 Still Dr. J’s mini- me.

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  35. Zac says: 35

    If Osama rises from the dead, swims to shore and commits an all out zombie jihad on the world; I will be be very upset.
    O’zombie bin ladin! Should we have just thrust his seemingly lifeless body into the sea?…

    That will make a good book.

    Just my random thoughts.

    If I write it you all have to promise to buy it.

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  36. anticsrocks says: 36

    @little dickie wheeler: ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

    Is THAT all you got?

    First of all, you assume it would be a derogatory thing to be in the company of Dr. John.

    Secondly, while a lot of his writings I agree with, no two people agree all the time about everything.

    And lastly, while you might be content to be second runner up to someone, that would never suffice for me.

    Now if you REALLY want to insult me, call me YOUR mini me. THAT would suck so much that I might have to walk west until MY hat floats.

    Go away, now dickie.

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  37. drjohn says: 37

    @MataHarley:

    As long as he can keep you ODS types focused on this stuff, you’ll never notice.

    You just can’t help yourself, can you?

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  38. rich wheeler says: 38

    anticsrocks #36 Dr J. with ODS “Everything Obama says is a lie” and his faithful mini-me “Proud to be in his company” anticsrocks. Their adventures together to be continued.Nuff said

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  39. Chill says: 39

    @rich wheeler: Please place me along side the illustrious gentlemen you mentioned.

    Liberal Faking

    What wonderful stories did he have to tell,
    brilliant decisions where great men dwell?
    What legendary courage casts its magic spell
    in the darkness of a Pakistani night?
    What SEAL team danced to Osama’s farewell
    before the liberal morning light?

    What phony stories did he have to tell
    when they sent Osama to his hell?
    What ego drove him on the carousel
    to change the story not twice but thrice?
    What hypocrisy bends the liberal smell
    to make it sound so very nice?

    What stories did he have to tell
    to get us all to ring his courage bell?
    Who continues to try and dispel
    the victory lap he is now taking?
    He hopes the lap does the job to sell
    another four years of liberal faking.

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  40. anticsrocks says: 40

    @Chill: Thank you for the compliment, Chill. Great poem, btw!

    little dickie wheeler compensates for his namesake by ad hominem attacks. He can only make himself feel better when he tries to tear others down. He is constantly pretending to be a conservative, but always taking the liberal side in every issue. If he were a US Senator, he would be Lindsey Graham…

    Try asking him who he keeps cheerleading for as his hopeful GOP Prez candidate.

    His answer will tell all…

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  41. rich wheeler says: 41

    MINI ME #40 You seem a bit confused.I’m a Democrat and never claimed otherwise.
    My Repub. choice would be Marco Rubio and I’ve said I believe he will be the next Conservative POTUS IN 2020.
    I like the comparison to Colonel Graham a great advocate for our military, Thanks

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  42. anticsrocks says: 42

    @little dickie wheeler: My mistake. Then if you were a Senator, you would be little dickie durbin.

    No mention of Romney?? What’s the matter? Losing steam for your hero?

    And thanks for the nickname!!

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  43. rich wheeler says: 43

    mini me I’m not a Romney supporter. I do believe a Romney/Rubio ticket has the best chance of beating Obama.You picked anyone yet?
    Glad you like the nickname.

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  44. anticsrocks says: 44

    @little dickie wheeler: Like Pavlov’s dogs, I knew you couldn’t resist a plug for your Obama-lite hero, Romney!! LOL

    You asked if I had picked anyone yet. Well, I have already answered you on that more than once. If you are that concerned, go digging.

    Two things you are, little dickie – Annoying and Consistent!!!

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