Dr. Vincent Courtillot on how the Sun controls climate, not CO2…

Kristen Byrnes, a 15 year old high school student, reached this same conclusion years ago. http://home.earthlink.net/~ponderthemaunder/index.html Her extra credit study shows commonsense instead of the ignorance that a trace gas like CO2 controls the climate. I have seen so many people at here FA bend over backwards to defend the AGW alarmists when the simple solution is plain. It is much easier to believe in AL Gore, a divinity school graduate, instead of using logic. Maybe the defenders of AGW can not use logic in their thinking.

By the way, if co2 levels rise, you will have a real greening of America.

God bless these wise old physicists that do this stuff, seeking just the Truth. Excellent presentation. Felt like I was back in prof. Nygaard’s A-bomb class. Put a cigar in that guy’s mouth once in a while, and it would have been complete! What positively blows me away was the figure 342 W/m^2 solar flux figure. I’ve always been good with numbers unforgettable: The rest mass and charge of an electron, Avogadro’s number, Planck’s constant, etc. And, most importantly, the solar irradiating flux. A very fine physicist, in the mid 1970’s imparted a memorable figure: 1200 W/m^2. And, I burned it into ROM, perhaps quoted that figure elsewhere in the archives of FA. This physicist’s reporting of this much smaller number, albeit very believable, is 5.5 dB down, is very interesting. What I committed to memory way back then was not at all a constant. Back in the 1970’s, the theory was that the sun’s energy was from fusion of H to He. Everybody knew that. And, 3 decades later, I learned that was B.S! More believably, our yellow dwarf, the remnants of a supernova, is fusing much, much more heavier elements than just H. Like, oxygen and Nitrogen into Iron and Nickel, etc. That, in this process, it ejects much, much, more hydrogen than it fuses. Simply amazing stuff, that explains the solar winds, the make up of this terra-firma, and our planetary neighborhood. These previous facts, I read from a paper published at the U of M. And, one thing stuck out in my mind. We think we know so much about our own system (evinced from the nimrods still digging for life on Mars and the moon) the Universe, which solar systems should have life, etc. But, the nearest star we have to study, old Sol, remains, for the most part, inscrutable. This physicist is absolutely right. The physicist first job is to observe, and then create theories, building mathematical models. With all of this federal largess from government grants, we’ve been stacking the deck, spending way too much time and money spinning inscrutable models to fit a given theory, then we have at the 1st step of observation. I guess in astrophysics, this tendency toward premature spinning of models can be tagged: Theoretical masturbation. Very similar to a phenomenon found in engineering: technical masturbation. In all cases, follow the money.

Thanks Curt, for retrieving this presentation for all of us, in total. I enjoyed not just the confirmations of my suspicions: It’s the sun, stupid! But, learning some new things about the variances of systems. Wasn’t it Mark Twain that stated: “Lies, damnable lies, and statistics.” Another, wise, old bird.

@ Larry
Whatever.

You know, your side would have a lot more credibility if you were actually interested in making some feasible changes. You want more wind power, you got it and now your very own enviro-weenies want to end wind turbines because they kill birds: http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/29/bird-group-calls-for-end-to-wind-energy-due-to-threats-to-species/

You don’t want nuclear power, you don’t want to update any refineries, your hero Barney Frank stopped a clean burning LNG plant from being contrusted: http://www.house.gov/frank/pressreleases/2010/08-19-10-frank-blocks-LNG-project.html
You want more battery cars, but you don’t want anyone using coal fired plants to recharge the batteries, you want the electrons to magically regenerate.

Meanwhile, the very people you call climate deniers are the very people that are more than willing to do all of the above. Yes, we want more oil drilling. Yes we want updated refineries. We want all of it, plus hydrogen fuel cells of the future. Any and all. Your side just wants civilization to come to an end and revert to hunter-gatherer days. So, quote all you want, but physician heal thyself and your enviro-buddies first.

It is much easier to believe in AL Gore, a divinity school graduate, instead of using logic.

– Randy

Greetings Randy,

Allow me to correct this common misconception. Although Al Gore did attend Vanderbuilt Divinity School for three semesters, he dropped out. To my knowledge he has never attended any other divinity program, unless the church of Global Warming gives out divinity degrees. If that’s the case, Al Gore would be the High Priest of that confession.

In 1971, Gore enrolled in Vanderbilt Divinity School where, according to Bill Turque, author of “Inventing Al Gore,” he received F’s in five of the eight classes he took over the course of three semesters. Not surprisingly, Gore did not receive a degree from the divinity school. Nor did Gore graduate from Vanderbilt Law School, where he enrolled for a brief time and received his fair share of C’s. (Bush went on to earn an MBA from Harvard).
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/763182/posts

Given that Gore also made a D in Natural Science during his undergraduate work at Harvard, it is hardly surprising that he should ascribe so wholeheartedly to the “theory” of Anthropogenic Global Warming
AGW).

We can, therefore, stop arguing about that proven fact and proceed to argue about what is causing the warming and what should be done about it, if anything.

– Larry Weisenthal

Sorry, Larry. What you consider to be “proven fact”, I consider to be “cooked results” in order to bolster an untenable theory for the purpose of massive wealth redistribution and societal control. You say the earth is warming, yet surprisingly world wide crops are failing due to the extended cold winters we have been having in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres. If there is any warming going on it is in the fevered imaginations of the charlatans who have hoisted this damnable theory upon the witless masses who are taught to trust their scientific betters. Too bad degrees in scientific fields don’t also confer morality and ethics upon their recipients.

As Peter Binkman so eloquently stated in Ghost Busters: “Back of man, I’m a scientist!

@openid.aol.com/runnswim: Sorry Larry, it is well known that not only have there been a purposeful DECREASE in temperature recording stations, but that, as was pointed out above by Aqua, many are compromised due to their locations.

Could one of the moderators please embed this video?

Pay particular attention around the 5:45 minute mark.

@batman: Well done Batman! I have provided Larry with numerous facts that show AGW is fraud. Larry is a dyed in the wool leftist. He can never recognize the value of opposing views. He disregards that which does not fit his view of the world.

I suggest the reading of Michael Crichton’s book State of Fear for all here on FA. The politicization of science, concerning global warming first, and global climate change now, is destroying science in a way that the Church never could. Otherwise rational people have been spoon-fed lies, half-truths, and misrepresented facts to encourage the world population to run headlong into economic disaster, while the few “kings” of the science are set to gain superior economic advantage over all.

Theatrical presentations to present the “science” to the world should not be needed. It should be able to stand on it’s own, as all good scientific discoveries can, yet the snake-oil salesmen politicize the issue, even going so far as to claim the ‘skeptics’ and ‘deniers’ are all paid and bought by big oil. At the same time they downplay any charges of misrepresentation of facts to further obtain grants from governments around the world. Long standing scientific facts have been altered to support their theories, their papers on the subject never peer reviewed, and all we hear are the scare stories, including fictional movies presented as factual, so that we may hand over more of our wealth to a lofty few.

We have seen chicken little, and his name is Al Gore. His name is Michael Mann. His name is James Hansen. And they have stirred the barnyard quite enough already.

Ditto, I have to mention this from the digital book :2012 SECRETS UNLOCK,
It’s about the SUN’S SPOTS, i AM SHRINKING THE PAGE IN FEWER WORDS, TO EXPRESS THE POINT.
of the next polar reversal will make the polls shifted , mean that the NORTH POLE WILL BECOME THE SOUTH POLE AND THE SOUTH GOING TO NORTH, WILL BE CAUSE BY HUGE DISASTER OF UNKNOWN PROPORTIONS, according to old decipher manuscript source OF THE MAYANS.
attributed to the harmonic cycleof the magnetic field of the sun, this precisely on the sunspot cycle theory
of the magnetic field theory which the MAYAS AND OLD EGYPTIANS WHERE AWARE OF.
EVERY THING WILL CEASE TO EXIST AND THE DATE IS SAID TO BE 2012 DECEMBER ON 21 OR 22 DEPENDING WHERE YOU ARE GLBAL DESTRUCTION,
THE GEOLOGIST ANDASTRONOMER AND PHYSICIST KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT IT,
COMING TO MY LAST REPORT NOW THISTHAT YOU MENTIONNED BEFORE ON THE SUBJECT:
A SOLID CENTRAL CORE ROTATES IN THE CENTRAL OF THE EARTH,SURROUNDED BY A LIQUID IRON LIKE LAYER,ON TOP OF IT THE EARTH’S CRUST CONTINUOUSLY DRIFTING APPEARS TO TO BE A HUGE ROTATING DYNAMO in addition the liquid layer rotate inthe electrostatic field OF THE SUN recharging itself HOWEVER MORE ELECTRICAL POTENTIAL IS LOST THEN GAINED just like a batterie almost empty,
difficult to rechard and becoming exausted more easily and quickly.
for this reason modern calculation show the force of the EARTH’S MAGNETIC FIELD IS DIMINISHINGby almost 60 per cent over the last 2000 years alone. the MAYAS COUNTED DOWN TO THE END OF TIME JUST LIKE WE COUNT DOWN ON THE LAUNCHING OF A ROCKET,
the last day of the calendar the magnetic north of the earth will tilt toward the south.
I READ THIS. GOOD THAT I SHRINK IT HEY