The words uttered by Democrats over the last few weeks are nothing short of mind boggling in their flaming hypocrisy and the more they speak the worse it gets. Some are on the edge of comical, but many are worth revisiting.
Let’s start with Howard Dean:
I do not believe the President should have been given a green light to drive our nation into conflict without the case having first been made to Congress and the American people for why this war is necessary, and without a requirement that we at least try first to work through the United Nations…
“If the administration believes that any, any use of force against Iran is necessary, the president must come to Congress to seek that authority,”
“It would be a mistake of historical proportion if the administration thought that the 2002 resolution authorizing force against Iraq was a blank check for the use of force against Iran without further congressional authorization”
“We continue to experience the consequences of unchecked presidential action,” she said, later adding: “This president was allowed for too long to commit blunder after blunder under cover of darkness provided by an allied Republican Congress”
“I want to make it clear. And I made it clear to the President that if he takes this nation to war with Iran without Congressional approval. I will make it my business to impeach him. That’s a fact. That is a fact.”
Can any of you Obama supporters tell us why this a particularly stupid statement by the long time member of the Senate Judiciary?
“Bush needs approval to invade Iran.”
Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.
The president led us into the Iraq war on the basis of unproven assertions without evidence; he embraced a radical doctrine of pre-emptive war unprecedented in our history; and he failed to build a true international coalition.
(We’ll visit that again)
On his MSNBC show this evening, Cenk Uygur suggested that opposition to President Obama’s Libya policy is “unpatriotic.” For good measure, Dem congressman Gary Ackerman stated that opposing the president is “cheering for the wrong team.”
Nancy Pelosi: Dissent is patriotic.
“This is different,” Boxer said Wednesday. Today, “you’re facing a dictator who vowed” widespread slaughter in his own country, she said, adding that Obama “did the right thing.”
Note: Saddam killed a estimated one million Iraqis
And the Hypocrite-in-Chief
Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power…. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.
But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors…and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.
The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.
No system of government can or should be imposed by one nation by any other.
The good news for Democrats is that they’re not alone.
Obama is committed to partnering with other countries rather than going it alone as did his predecessor George W. Bush, which both broadens and complicates the decision-making process.
Fact: Bush Had 2 Times More Coalition Partners in Iraq Than Obama Has in Libya
But Al-Reutzeera finally did define the Obama doctrine;
Stung by accusations that it has sent mixed messages on Middle East events, the White House has said it is putting together a new, overarching strategy that will set out basic principles of U.S. policy toward the region.
In other words, the Obama Doctrine can be described this way:
Ready, Fire, Aim.
If hypocrisy was a crime we’d be bombing Reuters, the White House and the DNC headquarters instead of Libya.
See how strong the “Big Lies” and propaganda of the Liberal Left Media is “Bush: go it alone” etc
when he had twice as many coalition countries as Obama..
And how somehow liberals think Saddam was some kind of saint.
But, as this video shows, none of this matters to liberals.
Obama is just awesome!
And Bush?…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAyCdfOXvec&feature=player_embedded
Fox Newsinsider on the need for U.S. intervention, February 23.
“Do you think President Obama should send troops into Libya, or at least make it a no-fly zone?” Sarah Palin answers, March 6.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Geez’ Greg, did you even watch the video you linked?
Palin: “We should tell Gadaffi if you harm one hair on the head of an American, we’re going to hit you hard.”
(I understand that this concept is foreign to liberal like you.)
The CNN, Sky News and others were treated to a taste of life in Tripoli today.
A woman got into their hotel public area and started to tell about her arrest and torture and rape by Gaddafi forces.
While being interviewed Gaddafi minders dragged her away, hand over her mouth.
Video and one version of events here.
Seems they are having that moment Forrest Gump so eloquently refers to. Stupid is as Stupid does. These people are incredible. But then again, the left wing, demcom mentality is at the fore in every one of these statements.
Makes me glad I have been retired from active duty for almost 18 years. I could get in trouble in today’s Navy for making comments about each and every one of them. Sorry but my Navy no longer exists. It has become a cartoon character social experiment in political correctness.
I have seen kindergartners with more practical sense than any of these idiots. And I have two three year old granddaughters with more on the ball!
Almost forgot, the bullshit meter is pegged when any one of these so called intelligent folks open their mouths.
Here’s a good one. Today I was talking to a dem who claims to be an independent. He never met a social program he didn’t like. He seems to oppose the military and probably thinks we should defund it and spend all the money on social programs. He complained about us being involved in Lybia. He never mentioned Obama’s name. Who did he complain about with regards to our involvement? Newt Gingrich. It must be something in the water.
To another vet, I have relatives like that. I kid you not. And a large proportion of my HS classmates from 1972 in a railroad town. I am the oddball. I am the only one of 261 who made the Armed Forces a career. Kind of puts me on the outs with most of them. Actually more of the gals would talk to me after I retired than the guys. It has been a democrap disease since even then. And we are the last ones to have to play that selective service lottery, the class of 1972, that is.
In a way it is easier for them to blame the republican presidents due to the perceived oppressor of the “downtrodden” line of thought.
They will never change and our only hope is to defeat them with logical discussion. But then again, they can’t stand that as it undermines the non-existant wrongs committed by the Right.
How am I doing with this one?
Nan G… should we even consider the notion that it might all be a stage play for the cameras and press? Not to say that Gaddafi supporters aren’t capable of that, but then I’m also quite sure that the opposition is just as adept at staging plays for the media as well.
I’m always suspicious of these “human interest” individual stories. It’s a he said/she said situation. And both sides have an agenda. Some things that leap at me…
1: She was helpless… detained, held hostage for days and raped. Yet she “escaped” and managed to find her way to the limited hotels that contain western journalists unharmed?
2: Do you think the opposition rebels have managed to confiscate any uniforms to play the part in hauling her away?
3: The Gaddafi forces are a bit busy at the moment, what with opposition attempting to close in and dodging coalition bombs. Think this stuff is high on their list?
The story could be true. Then again, I’m not inclined to give it the nod and stamp of truth. While there may be some freedom loving Libyans out in those crowds, I more likely to believe the same thing I repeatedly said about Egypt… there were no “good guys” in the fight. Just bad guys, trying to change the balance of power, and each using whatever tricks were at their disposal. For Gaddafi, it’s military might. For the rebels, it’s the media propaganda.
@ORPO1: You are 100% on the money. It has to be years of indoctrination, ignorance and I don’t mean that in a negative sense just that they don’t have the facts they think they do to make an informed opinion, or it’s something in the water. Just out of curiosity, what state are you from?
@John Cooper: This can only happen if the President has demonstrated that he will do what he says. Then, he can walk or talk softly, but use his big stick. In this case, we only heard a low meow!
You are SO cynical, Mata!
There was some dispute as to whether the woman was able to escape or, after two days, was released.
BUT…..authorities first told journalists she was deranged then they changed that story to admit her story was being given credence and were looking for the perpetrators.
And that she definitely was not insane.
Her name was Eman al-Obeidy.
She speaks English.
You are so cynical, Mata!
Even the Libyan ”minders” and their gov’t officials now admit putting credence to her story.
Meanwhile, those ”rebels” we appear to be helping are committing atrocities.
It is Arab vs Black African murder.
In east Libya, as towns and cities began fall under the control of Libyan rebels, they started to detain, insult, rape and even execute black immigrants, students and refugees.
In the past two weeks, more than 100 Africans from various Sub-Sahara states are believed to have been killed by Libyan rebels and their supporters.
According to Somali refugees in Libya, at least five Somalis from Somaliland and Somalia were executed in Tripoli and Benghazi by anti-Gaddafi mobs. Dozens of refugees and immigrants workers from Ethiopia, Eritrea, Ghana, Nigeria, Chad, Mali and Niger have been killed, some of them were led into the desert and stabbed to death.
Their only crime was being black and therefore treated as “mercenaries” of Gaddafi.
An xenophobic attitude towards these refugees and labourers has existed for years.
Gaddafi and his inner circle preferred black Africans and Libyans from the south over Libyans from the east.
Now the angry mobs using the revolutionary movement across Arabia and North Africa are hunting down black people.
PINCH OF SALT …. Consider the source...Somaliland Press
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@MataHarley, #10:
Why would it be a surprise that it should be high on the list? Libya has been a police state for years. The more threatened a dictator feels, the more active and reactionary the apparatus of oppression become.
It seems unlikely that Gaddafi’s opponents could have staged so public an abduction without interference. I’m sure any areas having a concentration of foreign journalists are being tightly controlled by Gaddafi’s people.
Now now, Nan G. First I’m Pollyanna to you. Now I’m cynical? LOL Well, it’s a new day, a new label. I’ll be collecting them here, I see.
If you’ll notice very carefully, I did not dispute that the Gaddafi forces are more than capable of this.
I also recognize that the opposition is entirely capable of what I suggested.
That means I certainly didn’t make a definitive statement on her story as true or false. Nor did I throw support to Gaddafi’s side. Scum on both, IMHO.
Apparently I have more distrust of the media, and the players in this publicly broadcasted and fought civil war than you. I’m not apt to quickly accept media presentation at face value when I see the convenience and timing of the story. After all, the opposition so desperately needs the media to keep waivering American support and approval to keep the coalition military fighting their civil war for them. And what better way to capture the west’s heart than for a helpless woman, detained and brutalized, escaping/released and heading directly to the media to broadcast her story of Gaddafi brutality to the free world?
But now you let us know that CNN reports that the government – who’s very soldiers violated her – is now offering legal aid, and allowing her to bring criminal charges against the attackers. Well don’t that throw a monkey wrench into the political implications. It’s now down to some bad apples soldiers?
But then, maybe it was an attempt at a coup, and was met with a counter coup. One side tried to portray the government as brutal, and the government defused that story by helping her seek “justice”. It’s now a single, individual criminal case in the middle of a controversial civil war.
Call me crazy, but were I detained for days, and raped and generally traumatized, I don’t think heading to a hotel to talk to the press would be my first stop once I got away or was released. Think I’d be headed home to family and friends after that experience. Any word on just why that particular woman happened to be detained when going thru checkpoints? Or didn’t anyone ask?
@MataHarley:
Maybe you just ignore media reports, Mata.
Yes…..
Asked AND answered.
This woman’s name is from the area of the rebel stronghold, Benghazi.
And, in truth, the woman, Eman al-Obeidy, is a native from Banghazi.
Who knows how long she’s lived in Tripoli?
She sure was treated like an enemy.
Odd that you swallow the official story given to the journalists from the ”minders” and Gaddafi spokesmen, Mata.
Just because they SAY she is safe and going to be allowed to charge her attackers doesn’t really mean it is true.
She may be ”honor murdered” as a rape victim before that.
They were actively looking for her male ”owners,” a husband, father, brothers.
We don’t know.
But we did see minders battle jouralists, even pulling a gun on them, ruining camerals and roughly spiriting the woman away, didn’t we?
(You did check out the video on CNN, right?)
From the Telegraph, UK?)
Greg, Greg… we do have to move slow for you, don’t we.
Gaddafi’s opponents don’t need to stage a public “abduction” at all. They merely need to make sure she has the needed wounds to back up her story, and send her in…. followed by rebels in Gaddafi uniforms to take her away while covering her mouth to prevent her from “speaking”. How would all those soldiers recognize that those dressed up in uniforms aren’t one of their own?
Think about that for a minute. If they were so all fired worried about her speaking to the journalists, how do you think she walked thru an area you believe is tightly controlled by Gaddafi forces without a problem in the first place?
But now, you see, it’s a moot point. You didn’t read the latest? Apparently it’s bad apples in the Gaddafi forces, since the government is providing legal aid and having her press charges. There goes the political talking points. It can’t be a claim on the rebels side it’s the Gaddafi government, since the government is helping her achieve justice.
@Greg:
Greg, no way all of Gaddafi’s MINDERS were so into the plot.
Right?
It was MINDERS who these journalists know well who pulled the coat over her head, who pulled the gun on the journalists, who wrecked one of the cameras.
Then these Gaddafi MINDERS put her into a car full of the enemy dressed in costumes.
/off.
Oh Nan, do read read carefully. I took no one’s side. Quite difficult to “swallow” the official story since I don’t trust either side. That was your bit. Not mine.
If you haven’t figured it out by now, I wait quite a while before I jump on news… as time has proven over and over that usually the first account bears little resemblence to reality. I’m sure not sold on the genuine intents of the rebel forces in Libya. Apparently you are. And I don’t think only men fight that battle.
You say she is from a rebel stronghold. Is she suspected of being part of the rebel forces, and that’s why detained? And if so, upon “release” or “escape”, why would they allow her to go directly to the western press… walking thru an area that Greg believes is closely monitored and controlled by the very forces who wouldn’t want her talking to them?
And you don’t believe such a scene as pulling guns, ruining cameras and roughly spiriting the woman away cannot be staged? Dang… alert Hollywood.
What do we know? Actually, when you get down to it… not much. Probably more questions than answers. But I’ll tell you what. They certainly know how to push western women’s buttons, don’t they? As the final line in the CNN story says:
@MataHarley:
Wow!
And here I thought that 24 hour rule only applied to obvious disinformation campaigns, like DEBKA file.
Not the CNN and Sky news reporters who got the gun in their faces from a minder they knew!
And you deny the idea that you’re cynical?
Maybe skeptical is a better choice of word.
The Aussie news says:
Also:
And:
Oh, and as for the rebels pretending to be Gaddafi supporters in fake uniforms……
Fianlly, who was in on it?
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world/minders-silence-libyan-woman/story-fn6sb9br-1226028801223#ixzz1HmEHr7FY
Geese and ganders flock together, what’s good for one is good for either. When the GOP props up people like Romney as a conservative, there is hypocrisy a plenty. . . on both sides. At least the dems don’t claim to be conservative, hell, Hussein doesn’t even feign patriotism when the national anthem plays.
In case you needed a little more hypocrisy with your breakfast:
I’ll take skeptical as an accurate description, Nan G.
I will also say that I don’t concern myself with any individuals in Libya because I don’t believe we have any business getting in the middle of a civil war, and I have not an iota of faith in the “rebel intents”. I think I’ve repeatedly said, it’s bad guys on both sides as far as I can see. I have no clue who this woman is. I don’t know her past, her intents, her alliances. Women are quite active in jihad movements as well. I find her choice of actions following what should be a very traumatic experience quite bizarre.
But I’m not going to get caught up in her individual story and make it “the face” of the Libyan rebellion. You want my attentions, make it about an American woman in our country, with our officials. Theirs? Just one more story. Middle East conditions for most are oppressive. Much as I feel for those that live there, I try not to project my prism of perspectives to them, and I don’t feel it’s America’s place to tell other nations what to do and how to do it.
That story was for strictly to boost a political agenda…. note the last CNN paragraph and statement about “protecting” Libyans. It was written to tug at the heartstrings of Americans because obviously support for this BS is waivering. And I don’t let the media agenda lead me around by the nose. I’m quite sorry for all that get in the middle of conflicts, but I don’t assume only the innocents are victims. We’ll be expecting the predictable next – children killed by Gaddafi forces. Quite sad. But then, where’s the no fly zone for Sudan to protect Darfur?
This is a hornets nest willingly opened by this admin and the UN. I do not go along willingly, and my mind isn’t going to change with every sad story the media paints.
Linked by Doug Ross. Thanks, Doug!
Tirade time folks! Between this administration and the entrenched political scum of both parties, the hypocrisy and lies are nothing new, just SOP!
One must realize once and for all, this administration cannot be defined by hypocrisy! I have used the following more than once and of course have been taken to task by the ignoramuses who have their heads so far up their you know what’s that they refuse to recognize exactly what is going on with the scum in D.C. and their open disdain as to the intelligence of the electorate, something I might add has been well earned by the voters when one sees the morons they continue to vote into office!! And as to the Hitler referral, I mean it exactly as I say it. I’m tired of people whining about how it’s so bad to liken this clown to Hitler, Lenin or any other tin horn moronic despot, but the fact are the facts and the shoe fits!
Who made the following quotes? “How fortunate for governments that people they administer don’t think. The broad masses of a population are more amendable to the appeal of Rhetoric than any other force. Make the lie Big. Make it Simple, and eventually they will believe it.” The answer: ADOLF HITLER . ” Lies, Lies and more Lies! That’s all the Left has as ammunition (I purposely used that term just to tick off you libbies out there).
I have also in the past mentioned the fact that this administration, in classic Marxist/Leninist/ Goebel’s propaganda style are trying their utmost best to implement Newspeak (ex: Kinetic Military Action) as practiced in the novel “1984” The excerpt below is a perfect representation of this President, his administration and the lying pack of jackals not only in the media but on both sides of the aisle.
“To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which canceled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself — that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word ‘doublethink’ involved the use of doublethink.” – from George Orwell’s 1984
One must hope that the electorate has come to their senses. If we are in fact dumbed down to the point that we will listen to and believe the ”Doublethink” and the “Newspeak” as practiced in the media and by politicians today, our country is already lost!
And another:
Obama called them “peaceful protesters” and “civilians.”
Go here to see those peaceful civilians.
I know I am going to see some comments about this but that’s NOT the issue here. The question is why is Obama mislabeling these rebel fighters? Why isn’t he calling them what they are? If this is all so righteous why does he need to lie about them?
@DrJohn:
Good point, DrJohn.
And this morning I am reading that Obama has weighed in on the transition of power in Cote d’Ivoire!
Talk about picking a fight where we have no dog in the hunt!
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/03/obama-urges-ivory-coast-president-to-cede-power/1
Edited to add:
A Catholic was president.
A Muslim was elected.
But the country is only 38% Muslim.
And fraud has been alledged.
BUT Obama wants the change over NOW!
Another time Obama sides with Islam.
Screw the legal challenges to the election’s honesty.
“Days, not weeks”
Did I say days? I meant months.
Dr. J. Looking for comment? Thought you might post the friendly Col.’s daily allied caused civilian casualty report.
@rich wheeler: Rich,
I hope you overcome the self-loathing, but you Obama guys do have a lot to answer for.
Think of these comments as updates to the post. This post may not end until Obama is no longer President. Until then I am going to have no end to material.
Dr J. “self loathing”. Actually I’m probably a bit too narcissistic.But I’m off to Church and will say a prayer I may find greater humility as well as compassion and understanding for the extreme right wacko’s living among us.
Have a blessed Sunday Herr Doctor
@rich wheeler:
I am wondering why you would refer to some of us as extreme? It seems to me that Dr.J points out relevant info, regardless of his personal stance on the actions in Libya, and shows the hypocrisy of the left in what they said prior to and after the start of the war in Iraq and what they are doing now.
For me personally, if presented with evidence showing the hypocrisy of someone I am acquainted with, or admire, I will start to question everything about that person instead of doing like you are and supporting them contrary to the evidence presented. Are you a hypocrite yourself?
@rich wheeler: I hope you have a nice day.
Really.
@johngalt: Indeed, John. Rather than address the issues, attack the messenger. I think Rich knows this issue is lost.
John G. Thanks for your comments. I’ ve stated previously my belief BHO should have been on board sooner. I am not in lockstep with all he does.
I do believe Dr. J’ s Personal animosity towards BHO severely impedes his ability to be objective.
Dr. J. Please tell me what issue is lost? I’ll respond after Church.
@rich wheeler:
Hypocrisy, Rich. The sheer, brutal hypocrisy.
And if promising to reign in an out-of-control Federal government and not following through with said campaign promise was a crime the Republicans would also be taken out and you-know-what.
Ivan– You may have a point with regards to what seems to be back-pedaling by the Republicans on the budget. Rand Paul seems to be the only one with a serious plan to balance it. Of course, the Dems are just lying in wait to pounce on the Republicans so in a way their cowardice is understandable.
OTOH, let’s not forget that America is in this financial fix because of the Democrats.
John Cooper said:
I may have a point? I MAY have a point? I don’t know if you read the constitution, but the Republicans own this fiscal mess. No one else, Cooper.
Leave the Dems out of this mess. Yes, they screwed it up big time, but you know what? They don’t hold the purse-strings any more, the Republicans do and they will sell America out to the speical interests just like Pelosi did. And Gingrich did. And Boehner is doing.
And your “desire” to “Understand the ‘cowardice’” of the Republicans is laughable. Sounds like you’ve got your excuse for their continued big-government spending all nicely wrapped up in a tight little bow. “But the Dems will attack them!” BFD, let them attack all day long. We elected them to stop this fiscal nightmare, not drop to their knees and service the lobbyists.
SHILL ALERT! SHILL ALERT!!! SHAMELESS REPUBLICAN HACK/SHILL ALERT.
Dude, give it a rest with the “Democrats Bad-Republicans Good” Bullshit. The Republicans had the House from 1995 till 2006 and what the hell happened with spending? Hmmm???? Oh you don’t want to talk about that now, do you?
And let’s not forget that idiot Bush and his MASSIVE expanision of medicare back in 2004. The awesome Republican Party should have dumped his big-spending ass right then and there, but no, they just dropped to their knees and said,”WE LOVE YOU.”
And then there is the fiasco with Fannie and Freddy Mae. Bush just sat back and watched F/F oversee home loans to illegal aliens and the rest. Dear God, give me strength!
But go ahead and beleive all your propaganda about how fiscally responsible the Republicans have been. Go ahead and believe that they’ll balance the budget, like they promised.
What a ****ing joke.
Reminder to self: Don’t try to initiate an intelligent conversation with a troll.
John Cooper says “otoh,lets not forget America is in this financial fix because of the Democrats.”
You call that “initiating intelligent conversation?” On what planet?
@DrJohn:
What I’d like to know is how do such ‘peaceful civilians’ get so many ‘big guns’ , rocket launchers, and tons of ammo? Who is supplying them?
The Hypocrisy is truly stunning. From all the ‘forms’ of (the left) Democrats. What comes to mind is two words ‘Character Defect’ we all have them but, the Left/Progressives/Liberals/Democrats is the epicenter for Character Defects ‘Moral decay’ = (major) ‘Character Defects’ …
@Ivan: Ivan
What was the national debt when Democrats took the Congress in 2007 and what is it now?
Or, if you prefer, the deficit?
FOOD FIGHT!!!
rich wheeler: I don’t make intelligent conversation about the budget with those who flunked math, either.
Questions to ponder. If BHO is a hypocrite for nay on Iraq and yea on Libya what are those who say yea on Iraq and nay on Libya?
What to do with those who promote Gadhafi’s(props to me for not calling him a genocidal maniac) statements as the God’s truth merely to make America’s President look bad? Is there a place in hades for such folk?
Dr. John said:
You don’t get it, do you? All you see is “blame” and the American public is sick of your finger-pointing. But you can’t see anything other than “Republicans Good! Democrats Bad!” right?
Obviously, you’re very smart, in an academic way. You have your charts, your red-line showing Republican budget surpluses and Democratic blue-lines showing GDP decreases…but you don’t get it.
I dare you to take your academic speak to all those towns in Michgan and Ohio which have been ENVICERATED by these moronic REPUBLICAN SPONSORED free-trade agreements and drone on all day about these people are on the dole due to the EPA or Union thugs-true to a lesser extent-when in fact it was the traitorous free trade agreements which shipped their job to Mexico or Asia.
They’d eat you alive. Probably within 1 hour of your little lecture on a street corner you’d be hog-tied and driven out to the nearest city dump and put in the farthest corner of the stinking rat hole.
So go back to your RNC boiler-room with your RNC talking points and talk among yourselves about how awful Nancy Pelsoi was and how great John “Cry Baby” Boenher is. The rest of the nation is sick of guys like you and yours.
John Cooper says: 42
Dude, I just destroyed you and that is your retort? What a pany-waist. I see you’re not used to people tolerating your neo-con rubbish and for the life of you you’re speech-less.
Typical shill, typical hack. Guys like you and your shillling ruined my Republican Party and turned it into a Democratic-lite replica.
What wuss.
@Ivan:
Forgive me, Ivan but you’re full of crap.
As my kids went through school they were bombarded with bullsh*t about them being prepared for the “global economy” by idiot liberal educators. I knew this was a load of crap and made sure my kids knew it.
Well, cupcake, you’ve got your global economy
What do “progressives” demand??
“Higher wages”
“Better jobs”
“Liberating work”
“Empowered individuals”
Barf
Of course these are inherent with a socialist state, but moronic liberals never quite grasp that. Neither do they understand the basics of economy and of business. If you haven’t run your own business you have no idea what it takes. None.
You “progressives” wanted a global economy. You just want the same benefits and salaries you get while competing with Chinese workers making $1.30 an hour. The average hourly cost in the US is $32 an hour. Now you want business owners to eat the difference.
You guys shop at Walmart. All union members shop at Walmart. They whine about their “rights” and they buy Chinese good because they’re CHEAPER. No matter how you analyze this dilemma, it always comes down to self-interests primarily of democrats. If you all stopped buying Chinese tomorrow it would go a long way to leveling the playing field but your ilk is far too selfish to do that. You whine but you’ll take none of the appropriate and effective actions other than to protest and occupy state capitols and cry about your “rights.”
The Constitution guarantees you the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Got that? The PURSUIT of happiness. Not the guarantee.
You sissy liberals want a guarantee.
Life don’t work that way.
I own a couple of businesses and they are successful. I doubt you would have the first idea how to start and run one. It’s not just academic with me, Ivan. I walk the walk.
@Ivan: Michigan got itself absolutely screwed because Detroit put out crap and the world learned to do better. Japanese cars were once a joke and no one would even have looked twice at a Korean car.
I bought a 1997 Suburban and by the time I was done with it seven years I had replaced the water pump, air conditioning compressor, transmission, radiator, power steering pump and more. I bought a 2004 Sequoia and it’s been bulletproof.
GM should have been allowed to die. Unions killed it. The best US car companies are non-union and it’s pissing unions off no end. All unions ever do is guarantee mediocrity. GM will fail again, and they still owe us $50 billion that we’ll never see.
That’s Obama’s idea of a success.
DrJohn says: 53
No argument from me here! I’m all for busting and destroying unions.
Your bad! You bought GM. GM has always made an inferior product in my lifetime.
Unions did kill it…along with free trade. Notice how you constantly leave that out of your discussion? I do, and others as well. Tell me, “Doctor”, how is it that prior to free trade, Detroit THRIVED in the 1980s? We all saw what crap they made in the 70s, yet somehow they were able to turn it around and have a great decade. Hmmmm……care to have at it, “Doctor”?
Again, more academic bullshit brought to you by the RNC hack. I guess you were a little boy and can’t remember when GM and Chrysler were teetering on bankruptcy back in December of ’08? Oh yeah, that would be under GEORGE W. BUSH.
Dr. John, the crap piles up so fast with your posts you got to have wings to stay above it.
@Ivan:
drjohn: Why would it matter under what President unions ruined GM?
Ivan: Because I hate George Bush and Obama is awesome.
drjohn: Did you ask me if I supported any bailout?
Ivan: Why, no I did not! Did you support it ever?
drjohn: No, I did not. BTW, Ivan, do you know who structured the bailout of GM and Chrysler?
Ivan: George Bush. Barack Obama is awesome.
So Obama took that irresponsibly large debt and gave it to us and our kids.
So you’re saying that NAFTA, signed into law by
George HW BushGeorge BushRichard Nixon(crap, it had to be a Republican, right?) caused Detroit to be ruined by Japan and China?Yep, how dare I speak ill against President Bush! How dare I speak out against a man who helped bankrupt our nation! You see, President Bush can do no wrong, in Dr. John’s mind, as he’s got an “R” at the end of his name!
Your constant apologizing for Bush-a man who grew government more so than any other president since FDR- only makes you look like the laughing stock you are, Doctor.
You see, I despise Obama, yet I’m not the intellectually dishonest shill which you are. Narry a word against Bush or Boehner as they spend us into debt and insolvency. Nope, that only be the Democrats who’ve done that.
You’ve lost all credibility, Doctor.
drjohn: Ivan, how did Boehner get into the discussion about democrat hypocrisy?
Ivan: Because Obama is awesome.
drjohn: Did you ask me if I loved everything Bush did?
Ivan: No, because I needed a straw man desperately as I am getting my butt kicked here.
drjohn: No problem.
Ivan: Did you love everything Bush did?
drjohn: No, I hated the way he spent. I also despised his No Child Allowed to Progress law.
Ivan: So I was wrong.
drjohn: Yes, again.
Ivan: So what about Boehner?
drjohn: He is a whiner. I have already commented that I wanted Boehner to have the same take no prisoners attitude that Pelosi had. You missed it.
Ivan: Sorry.
drjohn: BTW, Ivan, Obama is the President now, not Bush. This post was about democrat hypocrisy, not Bush.
Ivan: Obama is awesome.
Ha! If anyone is getting their ass handed to them, it’s you.
I really enjoy your fantasy conversation tactic. How original! I’ll do that later when I have time.
Just a quick Comment….
Ok IVAN, BUSH made some mistakes! Happy NOW?? GOOD! Now, does that mean, we need to DOUBLE DOWN on that error, with ULTRA HIGH Deficit Spending??
If Bush blew it, WHY do you not insist Obama FIX IT! CUT SPENDING TO THE BONE!
Simple enough Question???
drjohn: Ivan, how did Boehner get into the discussion about democrat hypocrisy?
Ivan: We’re talking about hypocrites, right?
drjohn: Duh, my bad.
drjohn: Did you ask me if I loved everything Bush did?
Ivan: Oh, the “I don’t agree with everything he did” claim? You’ll just rag Obama for the very actions Bush engaged in?
drjohn: Hey, the deficits were tame under Bush!
Ivan: So you’re okay with exploding government spending?
drjohn: Did I say that?
Ivan: Never mind.
drjohn: And you were wrong about all those wonderful free-trade agreements; Clinton gave them to us!
Ivan: Over Democratic objections. You forgot that.
drjohn: What’s your point? Free trade has helped make America stronger! More competitive!
Ivan: Care to say that on a street corner in a few cities in Ohio, California or Michgan?
drjohn : Hell no! I’d get my ass kicked like those Canadians club baby-seals!
Ivan: So you don’t care about the millions of American jobs which have gone to China and India?
drjohn: Sorry, the Constitution doesn’t guarantee work! That’s not my problem that they lost their union house and and now living under a freeway underpass!
Ivan: But if we brought back sensible tarrifs, like the kind we had under Reagan and when our economy thrived, would you be for that?
drjohn: NO and HELL NO!!! I might have to pay more for my tamatoes or car! Where does it say in the constitution that my fellow Americans are owed a job?
Ivan: So as long as you got yours it’s all good, right?
drjohn: That’s right. I’m a country-clubber, born and raised with the silver-spoon in my mouth.
Ivan. Got it.
Hankster says: 61
You don’t get it. Boehner and his Republican House is going to make the same mistake Pelosi, Obama and Bush made. They will SPEND, SPEND, SPEND.
Why in the name of our Lord do you think they keep passing CRs? They are negotiating just how big the deficit will be this year!
In the end, the Republican House will come through for Obama, not the American citizens who put them into power.
And many of you here at FA will feign outrage about it and then turn around and vote for them as the lesser of two evils.
Well guess what “Hankster”, you’re still voting for evil when you for the lesser of two evils.
I’m pissed beyond belief at the betrayl, you and your friends aren’t.
Are you suggesting we vote for the Dems to take us down the toilet bowl faster?
Are you suggesting we vote third party for candidates who’s platforms we agree with minimally fiscally, and not at all on foreign policy, and will result in a Dem win and still take us down the toilet bowl faster?
Or might you be bright enough to consider that your third party Libertarian candidates ain’t going to cut the electoral mustard, and perhaps we indys ought to get together with the GOP faithful, and disgruntled, and starting putting the GOP elected ones’ feet to the fire?
I’ll take door #3, thank you.
Of course not, where do you read that into what I write? But read what you wrote, both parties are taking us into the toilet bowl.
Again, what is the point in voting for the Republicans if their deficit will be $1.7Trillion minus .06Trillion versus the Dems who gave us a deficit of $1.7Trillion?
Oh, by the way, we’re on track for a $2Trillion deficit by the ene of this year. The Republicans cutting $60 Billion is **NOTHING** given that we’re now in War #3.
I despise the Losertarians almost as much as I do the Demoncats. Losertarians = free traitors= open borders and legalized drug use. They can go to hell, along with the Dems.
Sad. Sad that such an intelligent woman such as yourself will prostrate yourself at the feet of evil scum as John “Cry baby” Boehner and the rest.
I’m going to let you in on a little secret, Mata: The knife in the front is preferable to the knife in the back. The Republicans have stabbed us in the back.
Get it?
Ivan, i’m not happy either, But WHICH party “hasn’t got the message” yet?? The Voters SENT one, and they choose to IGNORE it! We’re stuck on CR’s because the DEMOCRATS REFUSE TO GIVE IN TO THE WILL OF THE VOTERS! Can you say TREASONOUS??? Me?? I say we go and drag them out and HANG em in front of the Capital! Every last one of them who refuses to cut….And as they twist and kick..ask them in a snide voice….
“Can you here us NOW”????
You think YOU are pissed?? HA!
@Hankster:
NOW YOU”RE TALKING.
But don’t give the Republicans a pass. Boehner, the Cry Baby, could put a stop to this, but he won’t.
And Ivan, I don’t trust ANY of them…. I’m getting ready for things to pop! I’m out in the sticks, on a small farm.. Got deer, Stocked lakes for fish, and Garden, and building a new Chicken house for eggs and meat birds….. everything is paid for, no mortgages.. so if the world crashes and burns.. we’re going to survive it. Oh yeah, no gas?? Ride the horses to town! Like “Alfred E Neuman” used to say, “WHAT? Me Worry?” LOL!
They need to get past the “I want to get re-elected” thought process, and use the I NEED TO DO THIS COME HELL OR HIGH WATER PERIOD thought process!!! Until the “PATRIOTISM matters most” idea grows to be BIGGER than their desire to “have a career” in DC… We’re Screwed.
Hankster says: 70
As long as they have people like Drjohn shilling for them, and good people such as the misguided Mata, they know they can always betray them as they can count on their vote.
The knife in the back is far worse than the knife in the front.
Remember that.
duh… you new here? You know very well I’m highly disgruntled… as are many here… with the lack luster GOp leadership. You miss the point of my entire post.
You asked if everyone will vote for the lesser of two evils. So what’s the choice, Ivan? Vote for the lesser evil, or vote for the greater evil? Too tough for you?
But I already know who you are, and you’d advocate a third party vote…. which is the same for voting for the greater evil. That’s no cure.
The only cure is to ride herd on those that were put into power to be fiscally responsible. Slap ‘em around in the media, applying pressure, until they behave. And if not, advocate they cast the bums out.
But, when it comes to analyzing me, congratuations on proving you’re damned inept at “reading between the lines”. I know very well you have read that I’m royally PO’d and unsupportive of this new Congress. Or perhaps you don’t retain things well?
Let me ask that again… don’t you retain well?
I repeat, do you remember what I just said? LOL You have a history of short memory and comprehension problems. Too much “reading between the lines” that your blur reality and retention, I guess.
I never said I’d support Boehner. In fact I’m on record in December, railing against the idiots in the lame duck session, showing what pansies they are on the tax and employment extensions. Personally I’d put the guy up against the wall with media pressure to perform as nation dictated in the midterms. But the media won’t do that. Just bloggers.
But here’s a civics lesson for you…. I can’t vote for or against him since I’m not a constituent. For a not so bright guy, you haven’t figured out that we can’t do anything about Congressional members outside our two state Senators, and our district House Rep. duh…..
Lots of talk… very little brain power you have, Ivan.
Yo Ivan… to jog your senile memory, comments in the past.
From April 2010
That does not mean I get a larger selection in voting, or that I will abstain from voting. That cures nothing as well.
from October 30th
From Dec 19th,2010.. of which I addressed part of this response to YOU.. no excuses
From Feb 8th
As far as my disgust with the new Congress during the lame duck session, you can see that here…. here,…. and here. Needless to say, your concepts of my politics are a figment of your manifested personal dislike.
Well Ivan.. she’s got ya there!! Problem with a forum like this is…. it’s really VERY hard, to really, honestly articulate your position, in snips and short posts, while the issues and topics are so COMPLEX in nature! some sort of “live chat” would make it a lot easier.. perhaps some day…..
It’s rather like real life, Hankster. If you regularly interact with a group of people once a week – i.e. support groups, etc – most actually retain things others have said and get an idea about where they are coming from. i.e. you get to know “your rabbit” over time by putting together lots of conversations and comments.
Thus Ivan’s “retention” problem. Apparently he doesn’t possess that ability, and can only funtion with the words before him at the moment, and then attempts to “read between the lines”. Bad habit to bet on in the long run.
Ivan: Oh, the “I don’t agree with everything he did” claim? You’ll just rag Obama for the very actions Bush engaged in?
drjohn: Yes, especially since those are the very things Obama slammed Bush with and Obama campaigned on being different. He was not, of course. He was worse.
“what I’ve done throughout this campaign is to propose a net spending cut.”
Ivan: Oh….
drjohn: That’s right, Ivan, Obama’s answer to too much spending was WAAAAYYYY too much spending. Obama’s answer to large deficits was GINORMOUS deficits. Obama’s answer to the growing national debt was DOUBLING the national debt.
Ivan: Thanks for clarifying- but Obama is still awesome.
drjohn: I’d like you to meet Mr. Smoot and Mr. Hawley
Ivan: Who are they?
drjohn: >sigh<
@Ivan:
I said that Boehner was a whiner and I did not like his actions and you still wrote this?
Mata’s right, Ivan.
Why should this surprise anyone? There are two requirements for being a leftist…utter hypocrisy and absolute shamelessness.
Hankster says: 73
She, Mata, is intellectually dishonest. Take a look at her April 2010 thread. She accuses me of being “Senile”, yet I wasn’t in that April thread. I didn’t read that.
“Ah-ha! You forgot what I said back in April in 2010!!”
So what? How could I forget some conversation/thread I wasn’t part of?
Never mind, that point is way, way, way over her head.
Now, I seriously believe that Mata is against the liberalization of the Republican Party, but I also believe that she will continue to support said liberal Republican Party to her dying days.
She’s said as much: No third Party for Mata.
There is where she and I digress, she’s, in the end, a Republican hack while I put my political philosophies and moral values before party loyalty.
Mata, would you agree with this assessment?
So $10 billion in cuts on a budget that is heading to $2Trillion.
I love that last, pussified quote,”Not an option.”
The Republican Party sold us out. To hell with them. The knife in the front is preferable to the knife in the front any day of the week.
The $10 billion was all that Obama and the Dems wanted.
But the Republicans got $10 billion in cuts during the 5 weeks of CR’s.
Now it looks more and more like there will be a federal government shutdown……
http://news.google.com/
Again, we’ll see.
Well I’ll call you and raise you this quote:
Even if there were to be a shut-down, is there any doubt in your mind that it won’t end in exactly the same manner that the 1995 shut-down ended: Clinton dominating the Republicans and coasting to a 1996 land-slide victory.
I want these “Republicans” to fight and destroy the enemy, while in fact we have “Go-along-to-get-along” worms like Hal Rogers of Ky doing his best to kiss Obama’s ass seven-ways to Sunday.
They betrayed us and lied to us- not surprising.
Only a true, bona-fide coward hits the dislike button and doesn’t identify themselves.
I am curious as to what you want?? The Repubs want Cuts. The Dems stonewall. We’ve gotten some, tho NOT what we are expecting, to be sure. But if the Dems refuse to do, what is RIGHT here, what do you suggest?? Shoot them?? What?? LOL!! The Repubs played chicken, and neither side has “flinched” so we’ll hit each other!! (Gov Shutdown)… I say LET EM! Let it shut down! the PARTY OF the “REAL NO” is revealing itself! We need cuts, the Dems say NO! I’d say to Boehner… let it shut down, tell the Democrats when you GROW UP, and want to face REALITY, come back. Otherwise, enjoy a long, NO PAY vacation! No WORK, .. No PAY to Congress!
That’s what I see for starters…..
I don’t see Hal Rogers as the end-all, be-all of the Republican position on shutting down the government IF the Dems refuse to make more cuts.
He hasn’t even weighed in in more than 10 days.
It is also on the Dems that no more CR’s will come to pass.
Talk about an e’ffing joke, you are it, Ivan. I went thru this pathetic and uneducated attempt at revisionist history on another thread with JC.… apparently you need the same history lesson.
Since I know you are click/link challenged, I’ll repeat it here.
Let’s start the clock with the most expensive of two the worst fiscal ideas given to us from liberal Democrat Congresses and Presidents… Social Security in 1935. Let’s see… history of control of Congress:… aka control of the nation’s purse strings.
Since the 74th Congress in 1935 – a total of 39 Congressional sessions including today’s 112th – Democrats have held Senate majority 28 out of 39 sessions. One session was a 50/50 split (2001 to 2003). oops… no GOP majority there.
Democrats have held the House for 30 sessions out of 39.
Yet you’re busy whining and blaming the 9 GOP majorities in both Chambers out of all these years? What? THe world began and ended with George W. Bush’s terms? This despite that the largest drain on the US economy is both entitlement programs… SS and Medicare… created by Dems for all the rest of their power hold for decades?
You got chutzpah, dude. Or a very limited view of history. Take your pick.
I doubt your math it better, but you might want to consider that since every Congress increases US debt… despite party rule… the Dems have done far more economic damage to this nation that the GOP simply because of their longevity of control. The trillions added in just two years alone is a record breaker.
So what’s that “shill” bit again? Tell me, Ivan. You insist you aren’t for the Dems, and you sure aren’t for the GOP. Then you say you aren’t for third party either.
Seems to me you’re just a professional, hyperventilating whiner with no solutions, only criticisms, and no allegience to anything, any principle or foundation. Just a hateful old man with a ‘tude and a very bad memory.
If anyone is a revisionist, it is you, Mata. Everyone knows what happened to USG spending from 1995 till 2006. Everyone. So don’t try and spin it that spending didn’t grown. IT SKYROCKETTED under the REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP.
Here is the PROOF:
http://perotcharts.com/images/challenges/challenges01.png
Seems to me you can’t handle the truth. I’ve said it over and over (some people are thick-headed and don’t hear to well..hint!): NO MORE CONTINUING RESOLUTIONS. NO RISE IN THE DEBT CEILING.
I’ve said this over and over. Why do you pretend I haven’t offered a solution? Why do you turn away from the truth that once again, the Republicans snookered you-and me for the last time-in November of 2010 and and now laughing in your face?
Here you go, Mata:
Do you understand what he is saying? No shutdown. That means massive government spending.
Is that what you voted for, Mata?
Why are you shilling for these guys? Why are you making excuses for their betrayl?
Perhaps you’re really in favor of their constant treason?
WHY DO YOU SHILL FOR THEM, MATA??
There you go again, Mata. Shilling for the traitorous Republicans who have enslaved your Children and grand-children with trillions in debt. “It’s not their faul!”
Typical RNC hack.
You’ve lost all credibility with your faux-outrage. You’re more interested in preserving the status quo than a true fiscal revolution.
And you did yourself in by your own, pathetic words.
I LOVE IT!!!
Hankster says: 84
I’ve said it before: No increase in the debt ceiling. At that point, if it happens, liberalism loses and is no longer destroying this nation at the Federal level.
Oh please, spare me this line of rubbish, Hank. The Republicans HOLD POWER IN THE HOUSE. If they really want cuts, all they have to do is not extend the debt ceiling.
Can you understand that?
More RNC talking points: It’s Dems bad, Republicans Good! Horse-shit-on-that.
$10 billion out of $1.7Trillion? What a joke. Did you get an “F” in basic math? Go run the numbers and tell me how “Big” that cut is.
Yawn, Dems bad, republicans good. Blah, blah, blah. Republicans hold the purse strings.
Could you at least pretend to be mad like Mata does?
Ha! Given your previous “Republicans rock! Dems suck!” Comments I really don’t believe you believe what you typed.
@Ivan and @Ivan… thanks for proving my point you are a hateful old man with a bad memory. Your solutions? Other than complaining, there are none. Just criticisms and assaults. Accusations that people are “shilling” when they educate you to revisionist history.
Loser with a big “L”, you are…. Ironic, because we actually agree on many points. Not that you could remember…. LOL
Ivan is a breath of fresh air here.
Add Ivan as a contributor! Enough with the shilling for the big spending, covering for malfeasance corporations (especially TEPCO in recent threads).
Here here! YES!
Yeah, blast… you’re a voice that carries a lot of weight around here… /sarc
Someone pass blast the TicTacs please?
Blast re-earns his nic as “blasted”. I’ll spell it out for you leftists- he’s been drinking the bong water.
Blasted, since you think he’s a breath of fresh air that must mean you approve of his views of keeping women barefoot and pregnant. Not to mention his love of anti-semite, nazi-sympathizing pat buchannan.
Really, we know you’ll ignore that as long as he PRETENDS not to support dems and bashes the GOP. They should have kept you banned as you have yet again revealed your true sleazy colors.
Haha… I could have predicted your reply. I am sure Ivan does not want or need my imprimatur, but I totally agree with his sentiment.
“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”
I was screaming on here about deficits when Bush was president… everyone wanted to justify the war and not look at the big picture. Your heads were so far up Bushes ass you could not see what was really happening. Unfunded wars, expansion of medicare, erosion of personal liberties, bailouts etc – and that was even before Obama! We argued back in the day for the cost of the war in Iraq… you minimized the impact of cost when I was saying it was going to be way north of a trillion. Well, it will be $Trillions by the time they are paid off.
You are like a mouse on one of those wheels in the cage. Around and around. Never listen, just hit the talking points. If someone disagrees… well, SHOUT them down. yep. I am glad Ivan is here. He is articulate in these issues and a flavor of Conservative I like to hear from. Maybe his voice will improve the debate here, and maybe enough conservatives and Republicans will wake up and turn the party around.
@Hardly Right,
My sleazy colors? lol. Saying I agree with Ivan on the points he has made on this thread (and I will add his treads about the nuclear incident) makes me sleazy, I will accept that as a badge of honor.
Why don’t you provide facts to your claims. Making such accusations seem quite empty… as most of your attacks on me have been.
Oh… one last thing. You seem to want to just stifle dialogue, that only your position counts (or is correct)… can’t you deal with opinions outside your own… Is that a threat to your world view… or is it just that if you were in charge no one could have an opinion other than your own. Yep, you just want to BAN all thought.
Ivan believe what you want. I don’t give a schit really! LOL!! There are two, count em, TWO choices we have here. NO third party Candidate has shown electability yet. Dems, sorry, no way in hell. So I got to go with the Repubs. Am I happy about it? No. Do I deal with REALITY? yes….Perhaps you should give it a try. I can want, preach, and PUSH for “the right things”…. but I’ll take whatever movement in that direction i can get, then next time, pick a BETTER guy to move even more that way… It’s that, or Revolution. So, YOU going to fire the first shot? If not, STFU….and DEAL with Reality…. it’s what we’re stuck with….for now….
apologies to others for the “harsh language”..
Look it up yourself blasted. It’s there for all to see. In fact, I’m the one who got him to admit his love of puke cannon on that particular thread. So feel free to call me a liar. Those whose opinion I value particpated and know the truth.
Again, I know you won’t care as long as he spews the kind of anti-GOP hate you approve of.
As much as I disgree with their views, I have no problem with Larry and Cary being here and they certainly don’t agree with me. You on the other hand are just a hate monger and proved it with your support of Ivan so spare me the “ban opposite opinion BS/victim card”. Plus you forget that I was here back before you started to pretend you weren’t the moonbat you had established yourself as. You just slipped and showed your true face and I called you on it. Whine on.
BTW, could you possibly be more hypocritical? Ivan mindlessly bashes the GOP while giving the dems a pass and you find that to be a “breath of fresh air?” That’s your idea of dialogue? Like I said, you’re a moonbat pretending not to be.
blast, I don’t think you could predict rain on a cloudy day, dude…. Therefore your personal opinions of me slide off like water off a duck. Go tell someone who gives a sheeeeet.
Ivan, “articulate”….. LOL Well, we do know you have low standards. I guess using those threshholds, he certainly is. And oh, BTW, I’ve never SHOUTED anyone down. If you wish to accuse me of such instances, I suggest you provide a link. Otherwise, more BS from a less than masterful BS’er. But thank you for that example.
Wow, Ivan… you’ve added mind reading to your reading between the lines skills??
Word to the wise… keep the neon hand/tarot card sign out of your window, and keep your day job as a whiny old man.
MataHarley says: 90
You could use a little bit of my hate, Mata. The problem is that people like you, instead of being pissed off at our Republican House membmers, go around all day screaming,”Democrat bad, Republican Good.” For the love of God, give it up.
I notice that you never get up set and each and every betrayl. Notice how the Republicans talk a good game about “Cutting spending” and “reigning in government”, then when they get in power they expand government!!!! Nope, Mata’s alright with that. Oh sure, she feigns “outrage!” yet always comes home to papa on election day.
The last act of the desparate mind is the personal insult, Mata. You just played your last card and it’s a duce.
I repeat, Ivan… you’ve added omnipotent mind reading now to your reading between the lines supposed skills? Damn… you can’t even read plain English. I challenge you to find one “Republican Good” post or comment I’ve done. That I remind you, after you whine about debt by only looking back to the turn of the century, is not “Republican Good”…. it is a reality check for a dunce. That we are where we are not because of the last ten years, but because of the implementation of entitlement programs and attitudes, starting in 1935. Evidently, slides right over your only brain cell.
Talk about last acts of desperation. You are a pathetic soul. BTW… what one delivers to me, I return in kind… or with greater force. So if you don’t like the personal insults, I would suggest you discontinue misstating what I believe, and who I am. Otherwise, live with it, loser.
@MataHarley:
Mata
Ivan’s got to be a farmer. I’ve never seen so many straw men.
@MataHarley:
Hmmm, wonder what two folks gave you the thumbs down? Darryl and his other brother Darryl?
LOL!
All Right Dr. John… Do NOT INSULT the Hard working farmers of America, or we’ll have an Issue!! LOL!
(was a good pun tho!)
Dems try to position themselves to win in a government shutdown.
Democrats are working on a plan that would allow them to say they tried to meet Republicans halfway on spending cuts. This is similar to the earlier effort in which Democrats said they were meeting Republicans halfway because they were abandoning $47 billion in spending requests sought by President Obama.
The new effort on the Democratic side involves taking cuts already made and adjustments in other expenditures outside the realm of Republican cuts – annualized changes in farm subsidy rates, for example – to claim that they are proposing half of the $61 billion in total reductions sought by the GOP.
It looks like a mess, but the goal isn’t good bookkeeping. The goal is to position themselves to profit politically.
While this narrative is very attractive to reporters, it doesn’t necessarily mean that it will work in the long run.
For the Reid plan to work, Senate Democrats actually have to cough up a plan.
It doesn’t have to succeed, but it has to get past the Senate, or at least have the unified support of the body’s 53 Democratic members. The Democratic caucus in the Senate smacked down Reid’s last gambit — $6.5 billion in cuts for the rest of the year.
But success will depend on whether the cuts are real and if moderate Senate Democrats will go along. Democrats failed on both counts last time
The administration and Reid may find a limited dem audience for a plan that looks like a political stunt designed to force a government shutdown and place the blame on Republicans.
Unless President Obama and Reid are willing to expand the playing field on fiscal issues, it seems unlikely that they can avoid a government shutdown or be seen as credible on the deficit.
The Democrats who have argued that a shutdown would be a political opportunity may have led their party into this war of words without an exit strategy.
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MataHarley,
Just look back at the story about the so called “Fukushima 50″… when I called that propaganda, you went ballistic. It IS propaganda and you bought it hook line and sinker and spread it on this site.
@Hardly Right
I knew you had no proof. That is how you work. Half cocked.
you made a claim, back it up… or I guess the shoe fits. Liar!
Oh fer heavens sake, blast. Disagreeing with you, and pointing out you’re a hystercal chicken little is not “SHOUTING YOU DOWN”. Hypersensitive much?
@ MAta
LOL, you are being ridiculous Mata, you and your dishonest claims about bunkers and Geiger counters all to muddy that post. And then you got all high and mighty
you were being hyperbolic by repeating the propaganda of the Fukushima 50
You posted propaganda… there is no Fukushima 50, I pointed that out and you went nuts. Called me names, made shit up. The onus is on you mata.
Mata:
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/03/21/japan.military.evacuation/
Care to retract some of your previous “it’s going to be ‘okay’” comments?
I’m a little busy to be catering to chicken littles at the moment, Ivan. But perhaps you will provide links to where I have ever said “it’s going to be ‘okay’” for me. What I have continually said is that you, blast and occasionally Nan G get ahead of the news and pronounce doom and gloom when there’s a different measurement, a new pool of water discovered. You’ve even gone so far as to insist you *know* the container status when even those on the site haven’t ascertained that.
Now your inept reading may take a “whoa, hold your horses about panicking”, and translate as “it’s going to be okay”. But I have no need to apologize for your “between the lines” reading disabilities. Therefore, no retraction is necessary.
Nor does your link say anything of note that’s newsworthy. They’ve been considering evacuating military families from the base for over a week that I know of. Nor does it say it’s going to happen, or mandatory. Just that they are “thinking about it”. Personally, if I were based there as a naval wife, I’d want to come home to the states. Why not?
But thanks for the latest chicken little update that the military is “thinking about” evacuating the families….. Wow. Breaking news of major import.
Would you like to see catastrophe and what Armaggedon looks like? ABC has put together before/after photos that you drag across to see the results pre and post earthquake/tsunami. So much loss of life. So much devastation. Strikes me as both you and the media tend to focus only on the nuke plant, and care little about the clean up and recovery efforts of the large scale damage *not* done by the power plant. Get some perspective, would ya?
@blast:
Hey blasted, let’s make a little bet. If I provide proof that Ivan is a pat buchannan fanboy, you’ll leave the site and troll elsewhere. How about it?
There is “no Fukushima Fifty”? LOL Tell that to Bloomberg’s Investment Watch Blog,…. or perhaps to the Yahoo news group, the Telegraph, Zero Hedge, or the Japan Times editorial that cites them as genuine heroes for Japanese youths to look up to.
They were originally called such since there were about 50 there in the first days. Of course, their ranks have swollen since then. Please tell me you’re not so dumb as to say there is no “Fukushima Fifty” because there’s more than 50 there now?
And you’re still an ass on this issue.
@Hard Right… oh! oh! (wildly waves hand to be called on…) Pick me! Pick me! I know the answer!!!
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@MAta,
LOL… you are such a stooge for the nuclear industry. When I made my comment was in reply to your sensational posting about the FF… where by then the notion of the “Fukushima Fifty” was debunked already (but you kept repeating it). Oh, and that post was about the inaccuracies of the sensational media. I was saying you were no better. And yes, you are no better.
@Hardly Right -
Well, seeing as you gave me permission to call you a liar for not substantiating your comment, I will just stick to that. Your a liar.
@MataHarley:
You’re scaring the fish away Mata!
I’m betting he won’t be taking the bet. Too bad the “new” blast didn’t last long before he went back to being a moonbat called blasted.
EDIT: Blasted beat me to the post button. I knew you wouldn’t have the balls to take the bet. Little FYI for you blasted, absence of proof isn’t proof of absence.
@Mata,
Honestly mata, you just want to shout down anyone that challenges your little domain. You ALWAYS go for the the insults and name calling.
In all sincerity I once though you were a decent person… so you can see I do mistakes.
@blast:
Could you possibly be more of a lying, projecting, hypocrite?
Apparently the blow fish doesn’t recognize an angler when he sees one, HR. Can’t even figure out his comment to me using that statements, save to prove it went right over his head. Or perhaps, more appropriately, in one ear – unobstructed thru the cranium – and out the other end. LOL
Hardly Right
LOL. that is a hoot. No one could dethrone you from being the biggest liar. You even wanted to be called a liar.
yep, the shoe fits.
This discussion is very unproductive. I am done with you, for now. I can’t wait what other excuses you have for comment. Since you have no substance at all.
@blast:
Hey, didn’t I just read someone saying there was no Fukushima 50?
Onus back to you, blast.
@DrJohn: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/31/japans-nuclear-rescuers-inevitable-die-weeks/ Here is the Fox news report from one of the relatives.
Dum did de dum…… um hm….
@ DrJohn,
The Fukushima Fifty, there dozens of reports that contradict that story. Basically there are hundreds of people going in an out of the facility, rotating to minimize exposure and not must leave when they meet the the maximum levels of exposure. They have also evacuated the sight on numerous occasions. This is no Casey Jones operation with them holding on the breaks before disaster strikes.
@Randy:
That was a really sad story.
Add to it:
I just heard on the radio that over 1000 bodies (from the original earthquake/tsunami) are unrecoverable because the radiation is so high where they are.
I hope they get this nuclear plant entombed soon so they can get on with cleaning up the spreading mess.
Honestly didn’t matter if you directed it at the Easter Bunny, this is a social public forum thread. He’s as much inclined as any other user here to expose when someone else is incorrect, such as yourself over the Fukushima matter, in a public setting. Don’t like the fact about that, then too bad.
@blast: She’s on my team.
I’m sorry, blast. I didn’t realize that clicking on hot links was beyond your capabilities. Had you possessed that superior skill, you’d learn that they were called the Fukushima Fifty because, when this all started breaking loose, there were only about 50 manning the site. You’re one anal puppy, aren’t you?
@MataHarley:
He’s just trying to avoid having to admit he was wrong. Watching him dig a deeper hole for himself has been amusing.
Too bad he didn’t take me up on the bet. It would have been fun to drop that bomb on him and then see his excuse for welching.
MataHarley , I prefer not to spread propaganda. As of the time of your post on the subject it was common knowledge that there was no Fukushima Fifty (and I said so at the time to you, which precipitated a great back and forth on that thread). And the number at this point is not my only point of contention… keep in mind once a worker reaches the 250 millisieverts legal limit they are required to leave the sight. I could see if they were working beyond these limits, but as of now only accidental exposures have been over the limits (like the guys that walked into the radioactive water). Plus they have evacuated the facility when it became dangerous etc. All sounds sensible to me…
Edit: Your propaganda on this was way back on March 17th, so even hindsight can help you Mata.
Still suffering from that anal disease I see, blast. At the time of my writing, they were STILL, and to this day, STILL referring to the Fukushima workers on the frontline as the Fukushima Fifty. Has nothing to do with Casey Jones. As I’ve said before, on the subject of Japan, you are, and consistently remain, an ass.
About that “point of contention”, blast. My post was to pay tribute to those on the frontlines of Fukushima… something you minimalized, and have over and over, by noting they evacuate the facility when it becomes dangerous.
You seem to miss your own point INRE the dangers they face… as you call “accidental exposure”. But of course they would rotate the workers.. the Fukushima Fifty as they were still calling them then and now, regardless of the numbers… under controlled and predictable conditions.
Their danger and bravery is there is little about that situation that is controlled and predictable, and they live with “accidental exposure” every moment of the day.
Therefore your minimalization was as offensive then as it is today.
@Mata:
Oh, you paid tribute by spreading misinformation about what was happening? It is ironic that you say it was to praise them, and the second part of your post was ripping the media for hype and misinformation… Can you spell hypocrisy?
I said that on March 17th when you made the post. You can get all tied up in your underwear on that “minimization” if you like, the facts speak for themselves.
blast, I was not spreading “misinformation”. Rather, after a week of “radioactive clouds headed to the US” crap and panicked Americans (like you), I balanced reality. Thus the media hype in the story.
You, on the other hand, characterized the dangers of the Fukushima Fifty as “propanganda”. Of everyone in the world, most affected by the daily haps at the plant, it is these people. You are, and remain, an ass.
50, 100 who CARES??? Point is there are some heroic guys there! The “Tuskeegee Airmen” for an example….. no one beefs over the fact we don’t ENUMERATE the exact number.. the “name” covers the WHOLE GROUP!
Mata, should I call Guiness in yet?? I think you could jerk this guys chain into a WORLD RECORD long thread with EASE!!! LOL!!
Mata said…. “Still suffering from that anal disease I see, blast. ”
Um, was BLAST the guy they were talking about in this video??? LOL!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzyDkrNLpv0&feature=related
Sorry, couldn’t resist!
Mata
I see, you get to “balance” realty by lying about it??? Try again with that balancing stuff mata!
haha… you are a real piece of work mata! I feel another round of your conflation and straw man arguments coming on. You have posted lies about this and want to wrap yourself in the heroism of the plant workers. Get the facts straight and maybe you can.
more from the thread:
More:
There are more instances where I point out the discrepancy between the FF and reality, and also acknowledge the workers there. Unlike you, I believe if there are 200, or 900 people involved… “minimizing” would be only to count them as 50.
Like I said, blasted has reverted to leftist troll mode.
Let me up the ante blasted. If I post the link where Ivan reveals he’s a puke cannon fan boy, you’ll leave the site permanently.
If I FAIL to do so, I’ll leave the site permanently. How about it ya little bitch? Are you the gutless coward I suspect you to be?
Thanks for proving you are still the ass about the Fukushima Fifty by your reprint of your own words, blast. Saves me the trouble.
Yo… ass hat. Like I said, if you had actually clicked on the links or bothered to learn how the reference to the workers at the plant… ALL of them… as the Fukushima Fifty happened, we wouldn’t have to listen to your demented backtracking endeavors. It’s not a number. It’s a reference to those, in their entirety.
Or are you so danged dumb as to assume only “50″ of any of the workers are allowed to be considered as sympathetic at any given time? duh….
Don’t answer that… I think we already have a handle on your conceptual intelligence levels by now.
Black’n'Tan, my friend. Black’n'Tan. Gotta water down that Guiness with some Harp.
Well, You KNOW I meant the book of.. but.. I think i like YOUR idea BETTER!! LOL!
Seriously HR,
If the moderators of this site believe calling me a little bitch and gutless coward are appropriate, I will open up more language that I have in my heart toward you… let me know moderators.
And the HITS just keep on coming….
@Mata,
Talk about moving the goal posts Mata, you pervade wrong information and when called on it, you don’t correct the record you then attack those who pointed it out. That is dumb Mata. And I am done reiterating that it was the STORY I did not believe and I was correct. You were wrong then and wrong now. Get your facts straight and stop using the sympathy about the workers as some sort of shield.
another snip from the original thread
You just can’t take the facts, you just want to still spread false information.
yep, in your own mind mata, in your own mind.
What record would that be, blast? That there weren’t exactly “50″? Well, who knew you could count that high, let along knew it had nothing to do with the handle given to the Fukushima workers?
You’d better start providing links to back up your dementia, blast. You be losing ground fast. Take a few more meds, eh?
Mata, your cute remarks only reinforce that your “balanced reality” is unbalanced. I am tired rehashing this tread over and over. You were wrong on March 17, and you are wrong now. You even have admitted there are more than 50, my case and point. And you have not challenged one fact that I have placed there then or now… instead you falsely accuse me of diminishing the efforts of the workers. Never mind I have said they are working under very difficult conditions and taking many risks.
*****There is “no 50″… but hundreds, possibly a thousand or more people being cycled in and out for their safety.
*****The maximum allowable exposure is 250 millisieverts, even your post had that!
*****They have evacuated when the radiation levels have been excessive.
*****TEPCO has a long history of falsifying information.
I have not minimized the risk, but have stated the facts. Now put up or shut up.
Mata, Blast: you’re beating a dead horse.
Did someone say my name?
Yes, my greatest influnces, politically, have been Ronald Reagan and Patrick J. Buchanan.
Hard Right, if you don’t like Pat, it’s because you’re not really “right”.
@ Ivan ———–they like you even less than me… well maybe, when I said you were a breath of fresh air and…
“Add Ivan as a contributor! Enough with the shilling for the big spending, covering for malfeasance corporations (especially TEPCO in recent threads). ”
This was Hardly Rights response…
So question to you Ivan – are you a anti Semite? Do you believe Buchanan is a anti Semite?
Are you a nazi sympathizer? Do you think Buchanan is a nazi sympathizer?
Do you want to keep women barefoot and pregnant?
Do you pretend not to support dems just so you can bash GOP?
I know I should consider the source (HR) but Hardly Right :has proof of all of this” in previous threads so be truthful!
Yup blasted, he’s a puke cannon lover. Called him a hero IIRC. Maybe it’s just me, but I won’t call someone a hero that is an anti-semite and nazi sympathizer. Ivan is even a bigger POS than you.
So call Ivan a breath of fresh air all you want, it only goes to show your lack of character and willingness to support anyone who spews hatered towards the GOP.
Back on your meds now blasted and maybe you’ll see how Mata has utterly embarrassed you.
Hard, your’e funny. You’re such a lefty that you really should change your name to “Flacid Right”.
@Hardly Right,
I never called him a hero. That is false!
I am not here to defend Ivan, Buchanan, or anyone. The thread I have seen Ivan make comments have been focused and succinct… that is what I applaud. You have no credibility with me to make claims against people. You shoot off your mouth and call names at the drop of a hat. Yes, I tend to get down to the level of people attacking me… but if you approached me properly, you would receive my opinions and not my derision, I might even listen to you.
@blast:
Please try to keep up. Ivan called puke cannon a hero. I never said you did, genius. I and others were involved in a thread with Ivan a while back where he said PB was a hero. Not to mention if I was so “truth” challenged as you claim, then you would have taken me up on my bet.
You are a hypocrite and loon. You attacked others here and I returned the favor so spare us your whining and quit acting like a little b*tch.
I should also add that you are a liar to the mix. We know you like him because he bashes the GOP. Stop pretending otherwise.