We have been musing on the Obama administration’s handling of the events transpiring in Egypt. Many of us would like to believe that Barack Obama is genuinely incompetent as has been suggested, but what if it’s something else? What if things are going precisely the way Barack Obama wants them to go? This is the basis for an an interesting article by Victor Sharpe over at American Thinker.
My fear is that Obama is not naïve at all, but he instead knows only too well what he is doing, for he is eagerly promoting Islamic power in the world while diminishing the West and Israel, however much innocent blood will flow as a result.
Sharpe believes, as I do, that the Muslim Brotherhood will eventually seize control of Egypt and Egypt will become the next Iran.
Inevitably, sooner or later, the Muslim Brotherhood will take power, usher in a barbaric Islamist power in Egypt that will control the Suez Canal, and show no mercy to its own people or its perceived foes.
Sharpe notes that Lebanon has fallen to Islamists and Jordan is likely next to succumb. Sharpe also sees the hand of George Soros via the International Crisis Group, of which Mohammed ElBaradei is a member.
Upon Mubarak’s departure, it was assumed that Vice President Omar Suleiman would take control, but he has made it known that Mohamed Hussein Tantawi (there’s that middle name again) would be the leader of a new military council. US diplomats have described Tantawi as “aged and change-resistant.” He is also described as being uncomfortable with the US’ focus on fighting terrorism and “resistant to political and economic reform.” And someone not happy with the loss of central power.
Yet if there is change in Egypt, it may not be what the West would like to see.
In July of last year, the University of Maryland commissioned Zogby to poll the people of Egypt. Here are a few of their findings:
* 85% of Egyptians hold an unfavorable attitude toward the U.S.
* 87% of Egyptians have no confidence in the U.S.
* 92% of Egyptians believe the U.S. is one of two nations that is the greatest threat to them (the other nation the Egyptian people hate is Israel)
* 52% of Egyptians hold an unfavorable opinion of American people
* 65% of Egyptians believe that Islamic clergy must play a greater role in the Egyptian political system
* 79% percent of Egyptians believe that it would be positive if Iran is able to acquire nuclear weapons
A Pew Research Center Global Attitudes Project poll conducted last year revealed the conflict between religion and democracy in Egypt and this is the fly in the ointment of freedom.
- 84% favor the death penalty for apostasy
- 90% believe in freedom of religion
- 59% would choose fundamentalists over modernizers
- 82% support stoning for adulterers
- 54% believe suicide bombing can be justified
- 82% have an unfavorable view of the United States (despite all the Obama apologies)
While George Bush actively encouraged democratic efforts in Egypt, Barack Obama cut off funding for those efforts.
“No matter what was said in private, or how forcefully, the public message sent by the Obama administration over the past two years was that democracy and human rights in Egypt was not a top priority,” Kessler writes. “When given the opportunity to use the biggest megaphone in the world–the voice of the president of the United States–the words were whispered, if said at all.”
The poll information is critical. Egyptians may claim to want democracy but the majority would choose fundamentalists to run the government and the vast majority favor killing those who would leave Islam. Some semblance of a democracy might even briefly appear in Egypt within months but ironically the democracy that offers freedom of choice might see the choice of a fundamentalist government and the end of freedom of choice and certainly the end of many human rights. It will be intriguing to see how the Obama administration handles it.
Back to Byron York:
Muslim opinion of Obama, who made outreach to Muslims a top priority and traveled to Cairo in June 2009 to address the Islamic world, has also dropped.
Then again, maybe Obama is trying to get back into their good graces by helping to build a global Islamic world.
As they say, demographics is destiny. Most western nations eschewed large families for those extra summer homes or annual vacations around the world, thus they didn’t have the time or wherewithal for children.
Welcome to the nightmare of the fruits of the secular west: an Islamic future. Congrats, women, you did this to us.
Fools.
@ Ivan, your post sounds pretty sexist. Do you use an active thought process or just type anything to get negative attention here?
I would prefer to put my money on incompetency as Treason is a very Serious Charge.
Incompetency is excusable given His background and extremely LIMITED level of experience.
Treason is not excusable.
OT:
Women used to be the gatekeeper of western morality. Then feminism along with abortion and the pill came along and destroyed the family and the institution of marriage.
Do you dispute that, OT?
Don’t shoot the messenger OT if you don’t like the message.
The truth sucks, huh?
@ Ivan, I do not subscribe to Your assumptions. I was always the Gate Keeper of My Own Morality.
I refuse to Debate Abortion or Feminism here. I never had an Abortion and I have never shown Women dis-respect. The Destruction of the Family or the Institution of Marriage is pretty broad in Speculation so I don’t think that I could throw any blame out here.
My Marriage did not last because of frequent Failures in Foreign Policy that required my Deployment…Often…so I served the Nation better than my Spouse. Career Military runs into that “conflict of interest”. I was a Soldier before I was a Husband but My Daughter chose to be with me at the age of 6 and stayed at the ranch with my Father and Grand Father when I deployed. Now that is more info than You asked for but it is the Truth. My Daughter believes that She chose wisely so I reckon that She gave me a Passing Grade on being a Father.
The Truth can be an ugly thing if it conflicts with your Values. But better the truth than someones talking points that fall short of the Truth.
Silly paranoid article. No Obama is not. Obama is just inept. I suggest the author of this drivel stop watching Glenn Beck.
OT:
Thank you for your service.
Let me ask you, how many children did you have?
OT, I have to side with Ivan to the largest extent. It absolutely and undeniably boils down to good people not having children and so many who have children don’t REALLY raise them. The blame however I do not throw all this on women as they are an equal player. That observation sees the massive fault in our society and it IS bringing our ruin. I can discuss this for days on end but if you just do scant research the facts will overwhelm anyone. The Roman Empire made this mistake too. Though most never enven have a chance to learn the truth of it the Romans thought it wise not to have “so many” children and those they had were often tended to by others. Meanwhile those the Romans ruled over multiplied and guess what happened! The Romans could not sustain their own culture as their numbers did not keep up with, pretty much, anyone elses. That is a fact. It’s much like America is today.
I have a Daughter that is in her Second year at the US Air Force Academy. She wants to be the Air Forces Female Chuck Yeager and I support that choice. She, like myself, is an only child. I never treated her differently because of her Gender. She learned to ride Horses, Shoot a rifle and pistol, Fly Fish and plays Concert Quality violin. She saddle broke her Horse without anything more than advise that She asked for,
is in the Top 10% of her Class and has my Respect for Her accomplishments.
My Service to the Nation was My Choice. The Constitution and Our Way of life are worth Defending and passing on to the next Generation. That is what separates US from some Third World Nation. Currently 3% or less of Our Population are in Service. Never have So Many owed so much to so few in Our History.
It ain’t perfect but it is the best thing going on the Planet.
Raising Children requires more than just providing, Food, Clothing and an Education. Being too busy to do the right things as a Parent such as the teaching of Moral Values, the Value of a Work Ethic, an Education of a Quality that will be of Service to the Child in this very Competitive World. Too many Folks just had Children and allowed Schools or the Juvenile Justice System to raise them.
You may have a Quality vs Quantity argument here. I won’t engage in that.
The points made in the above are valid. I have never thought that Obama was not a very smart cookie. I think he is. His membership in Jeremiah Wright, Jr’s church prove that. Why? Inner city Chicagoans are not very trusting of outsiders but Wright had a strong following among the locals because he pimped and pandered to their victimology viewpoints. Where better for Obama to gain street cred among locals than at a church where they were told that all their problems tracked back to whites?
US approval rate in Egypt has falled from 22% in 2008 (under George Bush) to 17% in 2010 under Obama. There is a reason for that. Do you think that Obama did not understand that when he cut by almost 90% the amount of money that went to humanitarian organizations in Egypt (you know, the ones that distributed food and other necessities) that was not going to create a crisis, one that could not be left to go to waste. And what about the numerous Muslims (some with really shady backgrounds) that have been appointed to high positions within this current administration or this administration’s seemingly nonsupportive Israel policy?
Are those who surround Obama inept, like Clapper, Napolitano, Brenner? You betcha. But they are there for one reason; they are “yes” people who will execute Obama’s agenda, no matter what it is.
Do not sell Obama short. He is a man who knows what he wants, the problem being what he wants is not what rational thinking Americans want.
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When it comes to having good kids and raising them right quantity simply multiplies quality. We have 7 kids here and I couldn’t care less if they choose to fly to the moon or conquer the Seven Seas. What I insist on is all of my children growing up to become good parents. All those worldly accomplishments are a major distraction. One person is just one person even if they are some kind of magnificent example of what ONE person can do. That verses a multitude of detractors is most likely worthless to the next generation. So, there we have it, generational thinking can change everything…..however slow it is sure.
Regards
You can be a facilitator of anything if Your Values, Policies or lack of Perception or Loyalty allow it.
You can create conditions Favorable for most anything to happen if Your level of Experience is not up to Your Tasking.
53% of American Voters selected a guy that has neither the Experience or Ability to hold the Job so I cannot argue rationality here. The Sad part is that they also selected the Most Economically and Constitutionally Illiterate Congress as well. That is not a good combination. The State of the Economy and the Current Level of Public Debt that has increased Irresponsibly over the past Two Years is the proof. Domestic and Foreign Policy failures result from incompetence, they just don’t happen all by themselves.
@ pbunyon, If you put the right things into them at home that is the recipe for Their success. Where I was born and raised in Rural Montana there were large Families that by necessity had the Work Ethic, Moral Values, an Un-Cluttered Education and succeeded to raise some great citizens.
I acquired my Education because of the Conditions of My Employment, the Military. I succeeded because my Parents raised me with Their Values, the ones that worked despite the distractions “out there”. I never Flew to the Moon, won a Nobel Prize or held any Public Office but my conduct served as an example to my Daughter like My Parents example did for me.
Quality is what You put into raising Children and You will not be disappointed in the result. If the Parent(s) fail to set an example or put the quality in, the Society is not served well for Your having reproduced.
It’s by design whether Obama knows what he is doing or not. The Powers That Be are heavily invested in the collapse of America the Corporation because it does not fit the more lucrative trend of a world wide single economic system. I believe Islamic extremists have become the useful idiots to that end. I think Obama is also an incompentent yes-man. In my opinion he does not even know what is expected of him until it is time to act. He too is told what to do.
OT, it appears we agree. I just wish you would have, or could have, had lots of kids. Maybe your daughter will fill your home with grandkids. If that is “in the cards”, wouldn’t it be great?
@ pbunyon, At this point NOTHING that She would do would surprise me. Hopefully She will make wise choices based on the Values that She holds dear. She was offered several full ride scholarships to State Schools as well as ones out of State. I guess that while She lived with me between Deployments I took her to too many Air Shows and She watched those Fighter Aircraft with awe. Then later She saw a Female Fighter Jock pull off her Helmet, an F-15 Pilot and her next Question was…”Dad can I do that?” I told her that if She had a Goal, devoted Herself to achieving it and was willing to study and work hard it was within Her grasp. She took my word on it and it is in Her hands now.
As for Grand Children, that is up to her. It would not be a great surprise if she had several. She has always been very selective on her male companionship through school so I’m sure that she will exercise her best judgment on that. There is room at my table for Grand Children and on my spread in Montana there is room for Houses to be built as well.
Nothing that Jana would do would surprise me. She reads the postings here but cannot by policy post anything. The USAFA has rules regarding that.
OT,
While is is admirable that she can attend the USAF Academy, she, like so many other western women, has opted to go the “professional” route and not engage in her primary responsibility which is to have children.
Women in the west, in aggregate, have done what your daughter is doing. Society pays a price for that, and therein lies the warning of “demographics is destiny.”
Women have NO business being in combat. To put them in harms way cheapens them. Their primary duty to the Republic is to be good mothers as the men can’t raise/birth the next generation.
As a woman I can assure you that it is not always a woman’s faulty she does not have large broods.
It’s not as easy as some here believe to find a mate willing to support such things. Just look at how many single parent homes there are, with the majority held by women. Muslim women are forced to stay in bad marriages, at least we here in western societies can, for the most part, get out of them.
Also, Democratic entitlement programs encourage the destruction of the family.
As for Obama, he is neither naive nor inept. He wants America to undergo a ‘fundamental transformation’ . The alpha dogs in his life were either Muslim or Communist. You’d be hard pressed to get an American loving, free marketeer outta that litter.
If it’s not on purpose and he’s just incompetent, how would the out come be any different. Everything this guy has done has had a purpose. Insulting England right out of the chute, threatening Israel, looking the other way on the street protests in Iran, siding with a man deposed by his own supreme court and deposed by law. How I ask you could the results be any different? Jimmy Carter did the same thing in Iran, and his later life showed proof positive of his HATRED of Israel. On purpose or not how can you tell.
@ Ivan, I dare YOU to tell her that. Hitler had the Same idea on a Woman’s role in serving the Fatherland.
I will go on Record as being One who desires Affirmative Action based on Race, Age or Gender be nullified and tossed out as irrelevant. The Israeli Military does not discriminate. Part of the Missions in both Iraq and Afghanistan was the training of Police Officers, Male and Female. It is ongoing as we exchange text here.
Combat? Air Combat requires Skills that are NOT Gender specific. Ground Combat has different requirements but some of the best Intelligence Officers I served with in Afghanistan were Female
and did well at their tasks.
Try to Tell any Female that her job is just raising kids and that alone. Then duck!
Glad I was shown this website about 8 posts ago. I’m a bit of a conspiracy theorist myself. Although I think its important to make a distinction between “theory” and fact, something Al Gore followers are beginning understand as his theory’s are coming under scrutiny.
I’m becoming a legal American citizen right now. The U.S. & its freedom granting constitution embody the values I live my life by. In as much we are a good fit. I am optimistic those values will be a guiding light through the darkness of adversity. I believe the principles the United States of America was founded on will overcome every obstacle weather it be incompetence, or some unspeakable crime. God bless America!
@ Zac, That Faith and a lot of tolerance and firm holding of the Founding Father’s Principles will get You through any challenge that you confront. The tolerance portion of it will be required to deal with the fools that are resident in any Society. America seems to have a very vocal minority of them, the Fools, and your ability to just drive on despite them will be in your favor.
Being an American requires an understanding of the Founding Father’s Gift to you. The US Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the opportunity to be All You Can Be regardless of what others are doing. If you can identify a goal, work harder at it than anyone else and treat others as you wish to be treated You will succeed. But You must already know that…
Old Trooper: Sir your wisdom means a lot to a 24 year old soon to be American.
@ Zac, that and 5 Bucks will get You a Latte at Starbucks. You would be amazed at what a hand full of rat droppings from some Career Politicians mouth passes for Wisdom & Knowledge these days. Those “Nuggets of Wisdom” are very Pricey when You look at the Cost of their Foolishness to the Tax Payer adds up to!
Their Pensions alone are a Kings Ransom regardless of their actual contribution to the collection of bad laws and irresponsible spending that result from voting Fools into Office.
OT said:
Oh, isn’t that nice? The old “I’m losing the debate so I’ll compare my opponent to the Nazi’s” tactic. Is that the best you can do?
Of course it is. You are put in the unenviable position of defending the feminists mantra which is that women are just as good at any job as a man. Congrats OT, you’re a liberal and you didn’t even know it. Stop with the faux respect for our founding fathers. You’d be a like a fish out of water back in their day.
When I said that it is the duty of a woman to be a mother first above all I had in mind what the Spartans, not the Nazis, believed. Motherhood was exalted in Sparta. The Spartans knew what we have obviously forgotten: No offspring no future. Demographics OT, demographics, is destiny. I’m sure you were aware that any Spartan woman who died in childbirth was accorded the same glorious funeral as a Spartan soldier who died in combat.
What I find laughable is your acceptance of the Soviet attitude which believed women should fly fighters and be snipers or AAA gunners! You’d make a terrible man of the 1770s, but damn if you wouldn’t fit in Stalin’s Soviet Union!
I guess you’re for abortion since the Nazis also banned it’s practice, right?
Old Trooper: Sir I see that there is some rat droppings falling from Ivan’s mouth as we speak. I’m glad he isn’t running for office.
Zac.
Please buy and read: “The 5000 Year Leap”.
You will be a better American for it.
Patvann: Thanks!
@just me 95:
As a woman I can assure you that it is not always a woman’s faulty she does not have large broods.
It’s not as easy as some here believe to find a mate willing to support such things. Just look at how many single parent homes there are, with the majority held by women. Muslim women are forced to stay in bad marriages, at least we here in western societies can, for the most part, get out of them.
Also, Democratic entitlement programs encourage the destruction of the family.
Just me 95, Yes, I know what you mean. God knows the majority of “men”, and I use that term loosely as today a “real man” is gauged by how many women he had bedded, not how many children he has fathered, are more interested in their toys-sports cars, vacations each year, porn, sports-than doing what was once considered normal.
It’s a lamentable situation that western men and women threw away thousands of years of wisdom and culture for material objects and “free” sex.
Oh well, as bad as the women have it in Islamic nations they will inherit the earth as feminism has made millions of western women infertile in the brain.
@ Ivan, Your superior Intellect and Witty comments are breathtaking. I think that We are done here.
This is after all a Family Website and I am an Officer and a Gentleman by Act of Congress.
I quite frankly don’t know Who or What You are but there is Professional Help for You if
You seek it. It won’t come looking for You!
OT fitting in, in the Soviet Union…
Ummm. Nope, can’t see it. Even when I squint.
Some people have a hard time accepting that some women like to kick ass before settling down, kinda like many men do.
-I know, astounding, isn’t it?
Don’t worry Ivan, the Mormons will keep the breading going while Miss OT blows up some of the savages that might someday breed and kill her’s and your future kids.
As far as the TOPIC goes, Obama does not think a Caliphate will ever happen. (That’s a right-wing scare-tactic, doncha know.) He honestly only thinks this is a lefty-leaning people-power sort of thing that will forward the cause of Utopia under the UN.
@Zac:
At least the “droppings” I leave here come from my mouth, Zac. Yours tend to eminate from another orifice.
Ivan: You aren’t half the man Old Trooper is. You say stupid things to people that you wouldn’t say to there face, from a safe distance at your computer-that is cowardly.
-I’m ending our conversation.
Hey Ivan, I know that it is the Cold & Flu season. Are you going a bit far on the Medicinal Brandy tonight?
What My Daughter chooses to do with Her Life is quite frankly none of your Business. You are at Your Rude Quota and have surpassed Your Ignorance goal by at least 50%. But my patience is wearing a bit thin and exchanging insults with Fools is not on my Agenda.
Have Fun!
@ Patvann, Just another good reason for the US to drop UN Membership and request that they abandon that piece of Prime Real Estate in NYC and relocate to Mogadishu or some Third World Hell Hole so they can be closer to the Problem. It is a matter of Focus. They will get an Up Close and Personal view of what they perceive as a trouble spot and enjoy the 5 Star Accommodations and excellent Cuisine that Mogadishu is Famous for.
@Old Trooper 2:
Typical of a man who has nothing to offer intellectually. Hey OT, the last act of the desperate mind is the personal insult.
You are the one who decided to use the old leftist “nazi” comparison and you don’t like how I just made you look like some street bum who’s pi$$ed himself with your Soviet support.
You can dish it out, but you can’t take it.
Also OT: I didn’t start the rude comparison. You did.
You can dish it out son, but you can’t take it.
Gentlemen (and ladies), I would encourage you to purchase and view former Idaho legislator Curtis Bowers’ documentary titled, “Agenda: Grinding America Down.” The documentary offers several pieces of the whodunnit puzzle that you are collectively attempting to solve.
http://agendadocumentary.com/
And Mr. Trooper, please thank your daughter for her decision to selflessly serve this great nation using her considerable God-gifted talents, skills, values and intellect. She is obviously one of America’s best and brightest. Much like her father, I surmise.
So I guess trashing a man’s daughter is no longer considered “rude”….Whoda thunk it?
I better tell my just-turned 18 y/o daughter to forget about college and that teaching career, and go get pregnant, so western civilization won’t collapse.
Well Dr. John it boils down to this, incompetence is easily proved while evil motives are not. The standard of proof is different for incompetence than evil. With incompetence all you need show are the end results no motive is necessary, with evil not only must you show end results you also must prove motive. Without the smoking gun of eye witness testamony or written admittion all you have is a conspiracy theory. We all know conspiracy theories no matter how believable are a dime a dozen.
With the lower standard of proof also comes a greater number of people who will believe that Obama is incompetent versus evil. Why is that important? Because conservatives while being open to accept the idea Obama is evil don’t constitute the voting majority. The independents and moderates aren’t so inclined constitute the swing vote and thus any message the GOP puts out there must cater to the greatest number of voters.
There is a third reason and probably one of the most important one of the three. Liberals will always defend their candidates with deep pockets and true belief when their message is attacked. To a liberal, the messenger is the message and the message is the messenger. However, even a liberal can not abide an incompetent person… Remember, to a liberal the message is ALWAYS infallible, the messenger is not. Hence, when the public rejects the candidate of their choice, they never believe the message has been rejected just the messenger. Incompetence to a liberal is when the messenger doesn’t convince the voting public to go with the message, their failure was not being persuasive. Hence, Obama’s ludicris remarks that he didn’t explain ObamaCare enough. When a messenger is characterized by incompetence liberals want NO connection between their message and the messenger and thus the messenger dies on the vine as it were. E.g. recent ones – John Kerry, John Edwards, classic one – Jimmy Carter. You notice the Dems never seem to choose the same front runner for consecutive elections cycles. Ann Coulter did a great essay on that a few years ago. Tarring and feathering Obama as an incompetent boob is such a negative that liberals can’t give their all to this guy. Moderates and Independents are more pragmatic and are turned off by ideologues who don’t produce results. Obama is an ideologue and his actions defy the results they want. Go with incompetence, it works for everyone.
BTW- this is also why corrupt administrations/governments are frequently also incompetent, their corruption leads to the resulting failure to do their jobs as promised or expected. In fact, I’m hard pressed to think of one example of a corrupt government that is competent in getting things done.
@Patvann:
That’s a very astute comment.
I used to read the Belmont Club blog long before Richard Fernandez made his name known and moved to the Pajamas Media site.
He is from the Philippines.
As such he has seen 1st hand how Leftists and Islamists interact with one another.
He wrote a great piece about it called, The Ichneumon Wasp, named after the real critter that Alien was based on.
Yup, Patvann, you pegged them.
The Islamists quietly money launder, arms purchase and organize while the Leftists meet with them hoping to befriend them.
Kind of like hoping the crocodile eats you last.
Once the scales fall off their eyes the Leftists get really scared of their Islamist ”partners.”
Well, all I can say is, ”what took ‘em so long?”
I’m going to post a link to all the countries on earth’s Total fertility rates.
Remember, your country needs 2.1 babies per woman for a ZERO population growth.
Over that and your population is expanding.
Under 1.8 and it will take years to begin to start growing again because of lost ground.
Under 1.3 and nothing will reverse the shrinkage.
Your country is doomed to be taken over by others.
So, we, in the USA, are right at a ZERO growth rate.
Most of Africa and the Middle East are growing.
Most European countries are shrinking unless you count immigrant births.
Ever read the biography of Osama bin Laden written by one of his gagillion siblings?
In it we learn that he was born to an out-of-favor, lesser wife, way down the line from firstborn, and that his dad never got his name right the first four or five times he tried to…..when he tried to.
(Well, he had 49 brothers and a whole lot of sisters!)
There’s insight into a whole culture where many boys crave the attention of their father but never get it in that book.
And it helps us understand Islam’s cannon fodder attitude toward their people’s children.
In China and the USA each child is like a new product to be developed and advertised, to be protected and nurtured.
There’s nothing wrong with that.
Obama has, however, leveled the playing fields in Iraq and Afghanistan, forcing our troops into one-on-one fights instead of allowing our superior technology to simply clean the enemy nests out.
Why do that?
So that Americans lose their stomach for fighting, is my guess.
Incompetent?
Evil?
Only time will tell which.
But definitely one or the other.
@Ivan:
Some questions for you Ivan:
1) How many children have you fathered?
2) Did the woman you married go the “professional” route, working while getting an education then, later, establishing herself as an educated professional in her field of expertise, or did you keep her home uneducated, barefoot, pregnant, and busy changing diapers?
3) If a woman’s “primary responsibility” is bearing, birthing, and rearing children, then where do the fathers of those children fit in? Are men merely sperm donors who, after a bit of physical intimacy and orgasm, are then free to head back to California while the little woman stays in New Mexico to raise the brood?
Good grief! Bless you Jana! I have no doubt that you have taken the source of this nonsense into consideration and have already let it roll off to some trash heap somewhere or have had a chuckle over it. Yes, you protect and defend them all, because of you, your father and and the rest of our best, these cyber clowns are free to make fools of themselves.
OT, the local yokel is but a gnat, guess we will have to take the curmudgeon title away from wheeler and bestow it on….what’s his name. Always treasure the moments when you let us have a peek into Jana’s world, if only everyone of us could have a Jana this country would be what it should be. Questioning your parenting skills or Jana’s life’s goals is what it is, dumb! As far as large families go, I have 65 first cousins and must say, there are no carbon copy kids residing under the same roof, they aren’t robots, they have minds and dreams of their own.
Patvann, where in the world have you been? Probably can’t tell us anyway, sure is good to see you here again!
Zac, welcome to Flopping Aces and a big heartfelt welcome to our country! The weather here has gone from tons of snow and sub zero… to sunshine and warmth. Yesterday all of us old duffers were getting out and about, we all had our happy faces on while greeting each other after a hard, cold winter that’s not over yet, we are just getting a little needed break. Then this morning I log in to see you are becoming one of us(not and old duffer), an American citizen! gives me another day of cheer! Welcome, welcome!!
I have listened to OT2 for a long time. We do not always agree on everything, but I can never challenge his view of World affairs that require more incite than the MSM. He has my respect for he has walked the walk. No one can accuse him of being politically correct. You only get the straight stuff from OT2. I, too, have been there and done that. (Not as a variety as OT2, but challenging never the less!)
I raised my two sons mostly by myself. Both have turned out well. I attribute my success to always setting an example for them. I always explained why I never took the easy way out of a situation when it compromised my principles.
The issue here that no one is addressing is the postmodern philosophy that has become part of our daily lives. While this philosophy is complex, it can be understood by a few examples. No one is personally to blame for their actions or situation in life. Society is to blame. Parents are encouraged to leave the education of their children to the postmodern society. Do as I say, not as I do!
Postmodern philosophy became the mode after WWII and became main stream during the Viet Nam War. The feminist movement is a result of that. The attitude of our elected officials who are supposed to represent us in Washington treating us like ignorant children is another example. Now we have a chief executive officer with no experience determining the future of our country in the future world. He surrounds himself with a dunce of an assistant (Biden) and a bevy of others who will not provide perspective on his actions and decisions.
He may be incompetent and his actions indicate that. On the other hand, he is a post modern citizen who truly believes that his visions are the only vision that is right!
@dscott: The thing I keep coming back to is that Obama let democracy die on the vine in Iran and was all willing to join with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.
It is still in my mind.
DrJohn, I believe that would be termed “circumstantial evidence” in a court of law…
( Quote from Obama’s book: Audacity of Hope: ‘I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction..’). Need I say more? I’ve been accused more than once of taking this out of context. If however one reads his entire book they would see this man’s Leftist Socialist / Muslim leanings. It’s there in his own words and has been demonstrated in his actions over his career. so yes, Dr. John. In my view Obama is helping to build a global caliphate. Remember, actions supposedly speak louder than words. when one’s actions are in lockstep with one’s words and hard core ideology, disasters like the one the world is facing now come to fruition. Unfortunately most of this has come about because the electorate either chose to ignore the signs or did not take their responsibilities as citizens seriously, thus allowing themselves to believe the lies and propaganda. To many civilizations have fallen to false messiahs (couldn’t think of a better word. didn’t really want to use that one per say).
To all of the people who wish that Glenn Beck was wrong, or paranoid, remember Henry Kissinger’s statement, “Just because you are paranoid does not mean noone is after you.”
Just because the scenario Beck (and others) describe, that of a “Caliphate”, has not come to pass (yet), does not mean that he is wrong in making the connections. And it is not only Barrie who wishes for this, but the others,(leftists, socialists, Marxists, and Anarchists) even though their end games are different, can and will put their differences aside in order to bring down Capitalism, because all of these people, everyone of them, is an abject failure at being a Capitalist, and cannot compete in the world arena without some sort of a “socialist” crutch.
Personally, I would just as soon turn the whole Middle East into a sea of Glass- beginning the minimization of our problem vis-a-vis the muslim situation.
That might even solve Ivan’s population problem a bit, no?
A little insight from a Guy who is tasked with Situation Analysis and Defense of All Things Necessary to the Survival of the Republic. Things that a whole lot of folks take for granted. It is a good read. Go there for a look.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/democratic_oligarchic_or_islam_1.html
Don’t look for any further posts from me on this or any other subject. Like Dick Winters, at this point all I really wish for is to return to my relatively quiet patch of ground, retirement and to mind my own damn business. I may have ruffled a few feathers here. I am Old School. The one that taught me that You don’t ever have to apologize for having high personal standards and things that You value are worth Your Life if necessary to preserve. I gave the Country the majority of my adult life but in a world with negotiable values it was not enough to make a dent in the Future. I will leave that to others and go back to where I belong. I Served Where I was Sent and can return home with no sense of shame for that. I was no Sunshine Patriot.
Take Care All and God Bless You
God Bless America.
@keema: Did not claim otherwise. The Islamic apology tour was not circumstantial, though.
@keema: Neither is Clapper’s assertion that Muslim Brotherhood being “secular” circumstantial.
What kind of idiot says something like that? Who hires this kind of idiot?
@keema:
I beg to differ with your
As I did my daily read around I came across this: The Muslim Brotherhood: the enemy in its own words
Circumstantial? …. Obama? Get real.
@Old Trooper 2: I would rather you stayed, OT, but you have earned your choices.
@Old Trooper 2:
I have valued your insight, as I’m sure many of us here have, to provide me (a common grunt on the ground) a much better action plan with which to attack NOT defend our positions. Leaders, such as yourself, don’t often jump in the fray without first checking to see which way the wind is blowing.
Stay, don’t concede the defeat these ill guided progressives believe is easily obtained. They are just following their mantra and as Herman Cain said in his CPAC speech “it’s the liberal SIN”.
S = Shift the subject
I = Ignore the facts
N = Name call
Help guide us in that effort to return our great country to the stature it is tumbling from.
@Ivan:
I don’t think you need say anything more than this, Ivan. The above may be your interpretation of a woman’s “responsibility” but I suspect you’ll be in a minority. Your opinion sounds downright misogynist- Islamic fundamentalist, in fact.
Andy McCarthy
Read it all
Dr. John did his research! The numbers he posted are absolutely correct. 95% of Muslims are of the opinion that if one leaves the faith of Islam they are entitled to die! etc.etc. As for BHO – I sadly agree, he is extremely pro-Muslim!
This self proclaimed “Jakarta Street kid” has stated “”The Arabic Call to Prayer is the most beautiful sound on Earth”. His constant praise of Muslim undertakings as well as his acceptance of his mentor screaming “God damn America” is proof enough!
@DrJohn:
DrJohn, those questions you linked are a great start:
Here are a few others:
Do you condone or condemn the Palestinians, Chechens, and Kashmiris who give up their lives to kill enemy civilians?
Should Muslim women have equal rights with men (for example, in inheritance shares or court testimony)?
Should non-Muslims enjoy completely equal civil rights with Muslims?
May Muslims convert to other religions?
May Muslim women marry non-Muslim men?
Do you accept the laws of a majority non-Muslim government and unreservedly pledge allegiance to that government?
Should the state impose religious observance, such as banning food service during Ramadan?
When Islamic customs conflict with secular laws (e.g., covering the face for drivers’ license pictures), which should give way?
Are Sufis and Shi’ites fully legitimate Muslims?
Do you see Muslims who disagree with you as having fallen into unbelief?
Is takfir (condemning fellow Muslims with whom one has disagreements as unbelievers) an acceptable practice?
Do you accept the legitimacy of scholarly inquiry into the origins of Islam?
Do you agree that institutions accused of funding terrorism should be shut down, or do you see this a symptom of bias?
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I have watched as CAIR’s spokesman hemmed and hawed rather than answer this one:
Will you condemn by name as terrorist groups such organizations as Abu Sayyaf, Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya, Groupe Islamique Armée, Hamas, Harakat ul-Mujahidin, Hizbullah, Islamic Jihad, Jaish-e-Mohammed, Lashkar-e-Tayyiba, and al-Qaida?
We got a lot of dissembling, but never got the straight answer, yes or no.
OT it was with sadness that I read your last post. I can only speak for myself, but I doubt if my fellow writers and those who write constructive commentary are too far afield in their feelings. Your honor, integrity, experience, intelligence, and insight served a very real service for many of us as we confront the the threat of the loss of the country we love. Many of us contemplate our own failures of the past and wish we could have been more like Old Trooper.
You stood as a beacon and like the expert sailor who trims the sail and keeps a knowing hand on the rudder to “thread the eye of the needle” and get the most of wind, sail, and current; you have performed that job so well for many of us here at FA.
Trust that you will be sorely missed and remembered for as long as many of us continue to draw breath and keep lucid faculties. I can only offer you a sincere Thank You for four decades of service and a sharp salute from a lowly grunt. May G-d watch over you and yours and may Jana fly above the eagles with the same honor and courage of her father.
OT2
Thank you for your posts.
I quit too, about two years ago, and every now and then get back into posting.
Just can not help it when I get upset.
I am retired Air Force and it really bothers me when I see my efforts wasted.
The best to you sir.
I wish Old Trooper and his daughter the best. He has given me some excellent advice & I aspire to do the things he has done to serve his country.
“I better tell my just-turned 18 y/o daughter to forget about college and that teaching career, and go get pregnant, so western civilization won’t collapse.”
Patvan: Excellent summery of that whole theory sir. I thought it was popular to tell people to quit having babies because soon we would be overpopulated and not have enough “resources”. Ether way I don’t have enough spare brain cells to allocate to this theory.
This is an important article. Perhaps there is no definite answer at time for us who want to see every possible angle. I doubt arabic is the language of the future, english is the universal language. Obama is only as good as his magical telaprompter. I think the telaprompter may be calling the shots.
@Patvann:
How did I “trash” the girl?
Yep, feminism and all its boundless glory is alive and well here at Flopping Aces! Better yet, let’s open up basic infantry squads to the ladies and let them get torn to bits in the next war more so than they are now!
That’s okay, when the Muslims take over, like they are doing in Europe, what will you say then? What will you say?
OT,
All my best! We’ll miss you and thank you truly for your service and please relate the same to your daughter!
@Ivan:
I searched through your two most recent posts and didn’t find answers to the questions that I posed to you:
Wow… quite the OT (off topic) tangents, and OT2 commentary, piled on to the original post.
First that needs to be said is that Ivan is a true Neanderthal. Such commentary, rooted in the knock-’em-over-the-head-and-drag-’em-into-the-cave mentality, begs the observation that our nation was truly damaged when they gave guys like Ivan the right to vote. LOL
Personally, I love a man who’s got the stuff who could pull that Neanderthal ‘tude off, and drag me into the cave. Strong men are indeed hard to find. Ivan is an example of a man to be shunned by women everywhere…. even those who choose families as their career. However before a guy can drag this woman into a cave, he’d better prove he’s more adept at taking care of me, and making wise decisions, than I am for myself.
I’ve often rued the changes over time when American women were put on pedestals, and in a sense, “superior” to men by them honoring her. Yes, the feminist movement demanded “equality”, and our superiority was lowered. But then, women were honored because of their choices to be the heart of the family. When economic times changed, households started needing two incomes to survive. So some of the career options for women, who preferred to stay home to raise the family, was no longer a financial reality.
This reality blows ear to ear, non stop, thru the empty vessel that constitutes Ivan’s cranium, of course.
Instead, in Ivan’s distorted world, women should not have that choice, but should be a slave to baby making. A slave cannot be put on the pedestal because the choice to be exalted was stripped away. This explains why Ivan’s attitude is less like Sparta, as he purports, and more like OTs’ comparison to Nazi control.
But if you wish societal changes to again encourage women to be homemakers as their first career, my suggestion is you put a muzzle on pretend he-men like Ivan. Nothing will drive a woman to career single status for eternity than meeting a guy like Ivan.
I’m entertaining the vision of a face to face of Ivan and Jana… would he even have the balls to broach such commentary with such a formidable young woman. Frankly, my money’s on Jana. Ivan’s already pretty neutered for all things testosterone. Should be a slam/dunk for one of our nation’s finest.
I’m with OT, which has some agreement with Ivan’s narrow focus about women in combat. As David Hackworth used to say, women in the service can free a soldier to fight. I agree that fighter/air combat skills don’t become gender specific. Nor is intel tasks. Yet at some points, even the intel or fighter pilot may find themselves in the trenches in a moment in time. But I don’t see the military, recruiting women to be put into the trenches as front line fighting forces.
All in all, I’d say that whether women are to be in the front lines of battle is a decision that should be made within the military and those that serve. This, of course, leaves out giving any weight to the armchair eunuchs like Ivan. This country does allow him freedom of speech… but it becomes ironic that privilege is preserved in part by many women who are dodging bullets for his sorry ass.
Now, loss of OT2′s voice at FA would be a sad day indeed. Just can’t imagine not having him here. Tho I sure understand that retreat to your own patch, and just be left alone bit. But then, I don’t see our OT2 as doing that. His passion runs too great, and his love for our country – and it’s future for his daughter and any possible future grandchildren – would get the better of him if he saw it being dismantled before him. He did not spend a life of career service to watch it swirl down the toilet bowl while he still takes a breath.
I, along with so many others, would hope to see Old Trooper’s future comments… whenever he feels like visiting.
To the original post material, if it’s a vote, count mine on the “incompetent” side. Obama’s one consistency is he’s been on the wrong side of three “pro democracy” movements. First Iran and the election, then Honduras, and now Egypt. But I don’t think that’s for a nefarious caliphate agenda, but rather part of the complete inadequacy of this POTUS and his diplomatic and intel team.
It’s a fine line to want a Muslim “democracy” in the ME countries because yes, some will vote for a fundamentalist nation which will ultimately destroy life for it’s denizens. But many of them don’t know that, just as many Americans didn’t what what they were voting for when pulling the level for Obama. However I’d wager if the poll questions were restructured to ask Muslims if they wanted their country to be run like Afghanistan, they would say no.
Musharraf and Mubarak had a difficult task… to buck the “despot” and “dictator” handles that the west wants to apply, and yet still make it impossible for radicals to infiltrate and consume their government. To accomplish the latter… i.e. outlawing MB from elections, limiting what powers they could enjoy when running as independents… makes them despots in western view.
I see it as the only way to control the radical elements among them. I was sorry to see Musharraf go, and just as sorry to see Mubarak go…. from the standpoint as an American valuing them as an ally.
I find it amazing that it’s preferable to immediately turn Egypt into a police state. Even more amazing that government workers there are now demanding a pay raise. If there is no Parliament, and no government… and the Constitution was junked the moment they changed succession power… what need is there for a government worker at all? All of the current laws of the land were made by a body politic they shunned, and threw out the window. So of what value are those “laws’?
None… what laws will be enforced and honored will be the choice of the military. Is that what the supposed “pro democracy” movement was after? A police state and mass confusion on what laws should be enforced, and what shouldn’t? If their Constitution is expendable, why is any law created by this heinous and defunct parliament any more valid?
I believe the MB hoped to create the vacuum of opportunity. I think the few that were into a change of governance will find that what they hoped for is not what they will get. All we can do is watch. This POTUS has ostracized us from any potential influence or involvement in Egypt with his choices, and actions, since taking office.
So now it’s up to the Egyptians to fight their own battles. For now the military says it will honor treaties, including those with Israel. Whether that remains true after they build a new government and Parliament of elected officials is anyone’s guess.
But thanks to deplorable judgment by this bozo in the WH, the US and Israel can only sit back and wait to see what transpires… and batten down for the worst.
I see what obama did in Honduras to be more sinister than mere incompetance. They knew what was going on and why, yet they tried to undermine efforts to adhere to their Constitution.
Short of wanting Honduras to go far left, I cannot see any other reason why.
@Hard Right:
The internal inconsistencies Obama must carry in his head are staggering.
It is easier to simply believe him when he said he could sit in front of Rev. Wright spewing racist hate for 20 years while never even noticing.
Maybe Obama just thinks about basketball all of the time.
Anyway, key to Obama’s butting into the Honduras situation was he false statement that ”it was a military coup.”
BUT, in Egypt we really did see a military coup!
And Obama is ALL FOR IT!
Does he know whether the military will really allow elections in six months?
No, of course not.
Only time will tell.
But there was NO legal right for the Egyptian military to do what it did!
With the Honduras situation, the supreme court ordered everything that took place.
(Remember, then-president Zelaya was working with Fidel Castro to ignore Honduras’ Constitution and rule as a dictator. Obama tried to impose Castro’s plan by cutting off aid to poor Honduras unless it complied!)
@Hard Right, I’d say it was sinister, if you classify stupidity as sinister. Neither Obama, or his SOS, really delved into the Constitutional realities of exiling a wannabe despot. They just viewed it, erroneously, as looking like a military that employed militant revolution by throwing the bum out.
You say that short of wanting Honduras to go left, you don’t see another reason? Again, I have to suggest that it’s pure stupidity and ignorance by one who isn’t qualified to run this country, let alone make judgments on another country’s events.
This admin tends to want to side with media perception instead of political realities that are unpopular. i.e., if the media portrays revolting Egyptians as “pro democracy”, the provide the lip service to match that… even when it means kicking an ally in the butt.
If the perception in Honduras is that it’s a “military coup”, a term used by Hillary and Obama themselves, then they must appear to be against “military coups”…. except in Egypt, I guess. LOL
In Iran, they gave all the right lip service to the protestors of the election… but nothing more than lip service. That is their largest downfall there. The “just words” were almost correct, but inadequate in action backing up the “just words”…. because this administration is incompetent.
Personally I think many of you give Obama too much credit when you think he’s capable of masterminding all you suggest. The guy never makes decisions for himself, and is just the spokesperson of those he surrounds himself with. Others ran his campaigns, groomed him, created the image, and others write his words.
This guy can’t even see the campaign road right before him without advice. Yet you think he’s capable of strategy to install a caliphate?
Nope.. he’s like many politicians these days. Simply just the mouthpiece front man, groomed by those around him to achieve or keep power. He’s not capable of planning a dinner menu for the family, let along strategizing an Islamic takeover of the world.
But I’m equally sure he appreciates the vote of confidence from you all about his abilities to redefine the world as we know it.
We are, sorta, on the same page on this, Nan G.
I was typing the same thing in my comment #71 above about Honduras and the “military coup” bit. However Obama wasn’t involved or supporting of a military coup in Egypt. That was actually decided by Mubarak, the VP and the military heads of state. Totally beyond Obama’s scope.
And yes, the succession power to the military, instead of the veep or speaker of parliament, already rendered their Constitution usurped. So the formal trashing of it days later was just for show. Fact is, Mubarak and his veep were part of Egypt becoming a police state. Therefore Obama cannot object when it was the choice of the exiting head of state.
As you say, the internal inconsistencies of Obama are staggering. Yet on the other hand, most of you seem to believe this is a brillant person, capable of masterminding plots to destroy the US, and turn the world into an Islamic caliphate.
He’s either blessed with a brilliance you all prefer to ignore when you suggest he’s doing that… or you fail to recognize he’s an incompetent idiot, surrounded by idiots who tell him what to do and what to say.
Count me in the category of the latter. This guy couldn’t strategize his way out of a card game of “Fish” with a 2nd grader without the help of a huge staff of advisors.
@MataHarley:
Here I disagree with you:
I don’t think it takes ”brilliance,” on Obama’s part.
I think it takes a mindset that Obama has as leaning toward Obama’s most fervent supporters, Wright, Ayres and Soros.
I think the falling apart of the world will happen, even without Obama, if the USA does not actively work against it.
And Obama is NOT often acting against it at all.
He, like the Saudi’s when they order 200 lashes for a 75-year-old widow, can be shamed into doing the right thing, sometimes.
But it is an uphill battle.
Nan G, even in your own “I don’t think it takes brilliance” argument, you give him undue credit. Ideology may be a part of Obama, however implementing that ideology in some sort of master plan… globally or domestically… would indeed take a brilliance this POTUS does not possess.
It really is as simple as Obama being a manipulated simpleton, who surrounded himself with other simpletons. When you put idiots in charge, you generally end up with chaos. Planned? Not usually likely. Just part and parcel of what happens when you put inexperienced people in charge.
@MataHarley:
Mata, when it comes to Iran and Egypt I do agree it’s massive incompetence. I see what they did in Honduras as something else, tho.
They tried vey hard to keep a man in power who violated their constitution and was nothing more than a stooge of Chavez. They made it a point to intervene on the side of the left.
As far as Iran, I think he avoided coming out strongly in favor of the protestors because he was trying to make nice with the Iranian regime. I’m guessing he thought that not coming out strongly in favor of the protestors would help achieve “detente”. Iran saw the weak support as proof they could crush the protest without consequences. They were right.
Egypt? Well, they didn’t see it coming. They didn’t and still don’t know what to do.
Nan, obama DID hear some of what th Rev. Wright said or at least knew of it. Remember, obama told us he had said to wright that he could get a littls “rough” in his sermons. Even if obama went once every other month, after 20 years that’s a lot of hate he sat in on.
@Ivan: I’d have pulled the ejection handle on you already, Ivan. You cost us big.
@Old Trooper 2:
No. Just…No. Old Trooper 2, you are one of the voices that drew me to Flopping Aces in the first place, and keep me coming back. I can’t begin to tell you how much your wisdom and sensibility mean to me.
While I certainly understand the desire to retreat, and the sense of “I’ve given it my all, now let me have some peace,” I ask you to consider a hiatus rather than a retirement.
As a woman who is both married and fiercely independent, one who has raised strong sons and daughters, a woman who is highly educated, professionally skilled and also pretty darned good at homemaking (you haven’t lived ’til you’ve tasted my strawberry rhubarb jam), I find Ivan’s asinine comments to be nothing more than a pathetic bid for attention. He received far more of that than his ignorant, inflammatory words warranted.
The topic of Dr.John’s initial entry was whether Obama is a fool, or a facilitator. I am inclined to believe he is a bit of both. His actions indicate someone who favors the Muslim world (to the extent of literally bowing to its leaders). On the other hand, everything he has done in office smacks of someone with idealism and little–if any–real knowledge. In fact, just about any aspect of the Presidency apart from speaking from a teleprompter seems to be beyond him. According to Oprah, he’s in a “learning curve.” Yeah, right, sure. We’re the ones learning what it means to elect someone who is all image, no substance.
I’d rather OT2 stayed as well. Heck, if the mods asked if I would leave to keep him here, the door wouldn’t hit me in the butt I’d be gone so fast. Now don’t take that to mean I want to leave. It’s just that is how highly I think of OT.
As for obama, I think he has a seriousy distorted view of extremist muslims and leftists. He views them at rational people that can be talked with. He thinks he can win their favor by sucking up to them. He’s dead wrong.
You won’t find me disagreeing with one word in this, Nan G. Save I might say that Obama is not only *not* acting against it, he’s clueless to it happening around him… as well as his admin.
Thus the charges of incompetence vs some subversion plot well beyond the scope of his, or his cronies, abilities.
HR, let’s bring this down to the playing field… or would that be B-Ball court… where Obama lives. There was never anything the US could really “do” in Honduras. They could only project a national stance for image purposes.
Since the media reported it was a “military coup”, which sounds simply awful in a generic way, the admin… including Hillary (who should know better)… simply took the media favorable way out.
The Obama admin was impotent in the Honduras incident. They chose not to educate the public INRE the country’s Constitutional avenues, and go with the flow of emotions.
This isn’t leftist in leaning. It’s a politically opportune image decision, made by the Obama advisors. As I said, this is all about keeping power… not really doing anything to destroy.. or save… the world.
Dr. John said:
So you’d ban me for doing what exactly? Offering a dissenting opinion on the Caliphate? Or taking OT to task for insinuating I’m a Nazi?
Which one is it? Those are your two choices.
Here, this is how I see it:
DJ:”Hey Curt, go and ban Ivan as he chased OT away.”
Curt: “How did he do that?”
DJ: “Well, OT insinuated Ivan was a fan of Adolph Hitler so Ivan stood up for himself and let OT know it was wrong to libel him in that way.”
Curt: “Yeah man, what a prick that guy Ivan is to take offense at being linked to Adolph Hitler”.
Blah, blah, blah.
Sorry, OT knew he stepped over the line and did the honorable thing.
Just let it be known, if I’m banned for offering a different opinion on the Caliphate or for sticking up for myself when called a Nazi, what does that say for the lifespan of the truth here at FA?
@Ivan:
Hey Ivan…your most recent scribbling doesn’t contain answers to the questions I’ve been asking of you:
@MataHarley:
I wouldn’t say they were impotent to do anything. They pushed to keep Zelaya in power and were even willing to cut off all aid (IIRC they did that at one point). Honduras is desperately poor and that move forced them to cave…somewhat. He got to finish his term and obama left with a loss for his efforts.
Ivan you don’t have a clue as to what honorable is. The only one who crossed the line is you Ivan, the douchebag.
@Ivan: Curt doesn’t take any orders from me. He is far more tolerant than I. I find both your manners and philosophies wanting.
Now Obama wants cable companies to carry Al Jazeera. More incompetence?
OT was right. This could have been written by Hitler, aside from the laughable irony. Can you show us where in the Constitution the “duties” of women are located?
And have you answered Aye’s questions yet?
Here:
Check out Lot #156
Ther is also a reminder of honor and duty for the fatherland and the hope for victory in the coming year, 1941. Heil Hitler!
I knew I’d heard that somewhere before.
Let’s get one thing straight. The eunuch Ivan is *not* the reason OT2 posted his farewells. That any of you might even consider that is, IMHO, the largest insult you could ever pay to OT2, He’s been up against far more heinous enemies than a castrated, frustrated Neaderthal male, posting a pile of manure on FA.
Shame on you for giving Ivan any credit where none is deserved… and that he happily laps that vomit up like the four legged canine he is.
As to you, Ivan. You are the essence of chutzpah to say “OT knew he stepped over the line and did the honorable thing”. First of all, OT has his own concept of what stepped over the line, and if you had the slightest reading comprehensive abilities, plus a history of OT2 here on FA, you’d recognize your statement was embarrassingly self serving.
OTs frustration has nothing to do with you, personally. You are but a gnat on the exterior window in OT’s world. Nor would OT2 ever, in any course of engagement, find you an adversary that requires retreat…. nay, one that requires even untying his hands. At best, you might be the last straw on the camel’s back.
So let’s address Ivan’s self-centered statement:
Well, if you had left the comfortable domain of your own little, self-focused teensy world, you’d find that both OT2 and I have offered similar opinions that also say Obama is not advocating a caliphate.
duh, bozo
And that’s because he’s too stupid to strategize such a plot. Or in the case of OT, who has far more intimate contact with those near to the CiC, he prefers to believe it’s less subterfuge than it is incompetence. That, coming from the unedited OT, should be a real heads up for many of you.
Which then begs the question, Ivan the eunuch… just what of your own conversation with OT2 did you comprehend at all?
It also might demand a bit of self scrutiny on every one else’s interpretation for the loss of a voice we all treasure here. Let me ask you all this… without you having some sort of knee jerk, emotional reaction to my question… if that’s possible.
Exactly how far are you all willing to go to find a way to blame any, and everything, on Obama and his admin? Events or results that may not be of his making, and are just a byproduct of his and his admin’s stupidity? Are you willing to rah rah every “obama did this, obama did that” headline, despite facts, just because it suits your bottom line feelings?
I have said it before here, and I will say it again. Not everything is a “conspiracy”. Obama is an idiot. That doesn’t mean he’s some Muslim Brothers subversive operative.
And the more most conservatives tend to believe that he is – or splash attention getting headlines that suggest he is – the more you will alienate the rest of us that think he’s dumber than dirt, ill-equipped to be POTUS. , and needs to be shown the door out of the WH. Do any of you wonder where dividing lines of analysis lie?
As OT2 said in comment #2:
Just how far will we, collectively, go to discredit an elected official that we all agree that is incompetent? I’ve gotten into personal battles here with Dr. J on sensationalism vs reasonable and factual commentary. I believe there is ample evidence to dump this POTUS after one term – *all* without the sensationalist commentary and speculative accusations.
On the other hand, me… a confirmed Constitutional conservative… often feels downright “moderate” here of late when listening to some of the rest of you. I’m not a conspiracist. I don’t need “birther” arguments to convince me we have the wrong POTUS, and I don’t see that as a political way out. In fact, I’m just as convinced that to pursue that avenue to get rid of him will only keep him around longer.
No, I don’t believe Obama is a closet Muslim, jihadist plant.
What I do believe is that he’s the quintessential political opportunist without a brain cell in operation. He’s the dummy to his ventroloquist handlers. They know how to aggrevate and motivate their base with Alinksy tactics. Other than that, he and his merry band are too stupid to micromanage the fall of global society at large. And the faster we stop playing the headlines that he is, the more credibility as “opposition” in this nation we will have.
And if that means I follow OT2 out the door, well… I’ll find myself in good company during the exit process.
Revelation… cable/satellite has been carrying al Jazeera station for years, drj. To my personal knowledge, since 2005… before Obama even was sworn in to Congress.
Do you really believe that Barack Obama is an idiot? Do you really believe that an idiot, no matter how well his strings are pulled can get elected President? Can an idiot really blow through Columbia and Harvard Law? Do you really believe that he is no more than the ultimate conflation of the Peter Principle and affirmative action?
@MataHarley: Not mine. But if so, then why request it?
drj, Mickey Mouse can get elected in this country with the right image promotion, right speech writer, enough staging and fireworks, and trick advertising slogans… and financial backing. Dumb question… we watched it happen in 2008 with a guy with no experience, questionable background, and *still* got elected.
I was watching al jazeera back in 2005. (as Nan G also notes on another thread…) Since then, the station may have been dropped and picked up, by different cable companies. Back then they were not broadcasting in English. Since then they have English correspondents and websites. I read al Jazeera regularly myself.
Let me get this straight… you now want to blame or credit Obama with cable line up?
Puleeez… give me a break. The cable franchises decide that on their own. And it will be a decision made on demand, not a POTUS wish list.
The point is not who can get it done. The point is that Obama wants it to ubiquitous.
Obama directs NASA to become a Muslim outreach center.
No more Global War on Terror
No more “Radical Islam”
No more “Islamic extremism”
The Muslim Brotherhood is “secular”
That’s nice Mata. Another ginormously condescending remark. We don’t have the God-sent insight that you do (nor perhaps the personal emails) and we believed we saw a connection between the conflict and the departure. If we’re wrong, we’re wrong, but we could do without the theatrics. Thanks for letting us know how abysmally stupid we are for caring and how much we insulted OT2 in the process.
Oh puleeeze, drj. Spare me your theatrics. After all this time and knowing OT… you think someone as pathetic as Ivan would cause him to throw his hands up in defeat?
If you feel you have no insight, t’aint my fault. OT has always been unedited. If you never saw it, just isn’t my fault.
But don’t assume the victim mantle of “.. how abysmally stupid we are for caring” in what you feel needs to be some self defense you need to mount. My comments were not directed at you personally, but at a general trend the commentary by conservatives has become. If you want to bear that mantle yourself… have at it. But don’t gather everyone else here as your personal shield.
What on earth are you speaking of, HR? Zelaya was ousted, Micheletti remained as acting President until Porfirio Lobo Sosa was elected and installed into office within the next six months. Zelaya and his family returned under cover of darkness and hid out in the Brazilian embassy until he was voluntarily exiled to the Domincan Republic in Jan 2010. Where they are today.
The “agreement” to allow him to serve the last three months in his terms came with conditions that Zelaya would not accept, and he, himself, declared that agreement dead. He never served shit after the Constitutional ouster…
My fault Mata. I had believed he had served the last few months of his term.
Short version-obama and co. came down on the side of a wannabe dictator and his far left dictatorial allies. It was extremely clear cut what happened in Honduras was not a coup. Obama and co. didn’t care., tho.
In Iran he backed the regime for the most part. He also roots for the wrong people in Egypt. Yes he’s incompetent, but the more I look at it the more I see a pattern. It’s not one where I think he wants the caliphate to win, but it is the typical LIBERAL pattern. It’s where liberals reflexively try to appease the aggressor/criminal while throwing the victim into the shredder. You could easily argue it’s a type of incompetence or even delusion. But deliberately trying to help terrorists? Nope.
As for OT, allow me to clarify something. I didn’t think Ivan ran him off. I did think he was the final straw in whatever he was dealing with. It also doesn’t help that I don’t like Ivan. Like I said, I would gladly leave the site myself if it would keep OT here. Heck, I’d do the same for you Mata.
No problem, HR. It was a story that fell off the map, so perhaps the attempted agreement to allow him to serve out the term, with conditions, was the last you heard.
I’m with you INRE Old Trooper, HR. That man has been ready to take bullets for us, and has. To allow him to take our places on a forum is small peanuts in return… but both of us would do it without hesitation. However I refuse to allow Ivan to gloat in some self perceived machoism…. as if anything that dribbles from his lips could move a force like OT.
And yes… another agreement. Obama has a pattern of ineptitude, but it is not a deliberate attempt to help terrorists.
@Hard Right:
That was my thinking, that Ivan was a last straw. But hey, if it makes someone else happy to bitchslap me for expressing my concern, by all means, carry on! I’m a big girl, I can take it.
Ah, the internet, it’s a wonderful place…
@MataHarley: Mata, maybe I haven’t been here long enough to OT’s motivations. I was here long enough to have a great respect for him. I don’t think for a second Ivan was the totality of the reason for his departure but I also have seen what straws can do.
@MataHarley:
What a horrible day at FA, my heart is heavy, the very best to you and OT, just hope you decide to stick with us….as you can see you are both highly regarded.
Knowing your days outside of this blog would probably put the average person in the nut house, I still want you all to be here, this includes our other authors and Curt out there in his pressure cooker. You are all racking up many man hours, judging from what you do here, your performance in your careers has to be outstanding. Thank you all for adding your time here to your heavy load.
Now, Obama. There’s a reason we have called him that word for years, manchild predates the presidency. He’s a Chicago creation, in everything he has done he was nothing but a seat warmer, he was told what to do and later became a product that was successfully marketed by the Chicago machine with the help of well known nationwide leftist groups. Catch him off script or without the teleprompter he screws up, flails and stutters. Valerie Jarrett, “other half of his brain” is the acting president, find out who she takes orders from and you will find out who’s really in control.
His Columbia activities were brought to light in “Radical-in-Chief”, it exposes the extreme leftist groups he immediately gravitated to, same groups that are active in his life to this day, he’s a socialist. He used them, they used him, Reverand Wright’s church was his launch site, don’t know who sent him there from Columbia, it’s believed to be Bill Ayres. “Just a guy in my neighborhood” Ayres was in his life long before the living room event. So much was exposed by small Chicago papers and Illinois blogs prior to the election, no one wanted to hear it.
Emil Jones, Illinois State Senate President set him up to run for the US Senate. He took bills away from senators that actually sponsored and worked for years on them and gave them to Obama to create his resume, this was the start of the big gamble, next was his speech at the 2004 Dem convention.
Speaking of an Obama resume, here we go, this blog was written by someone that…..worked with and…liked Obama. Other co-workers also chimed in in the comment section, very interesting and oh-so Obama:
http://www.analyzethis.net/2005/07/09/barack-obama-embellishes-his-resume/
Born Alive Infant Protection Act. Every vote he cast on that bill in Illinois was under advisement of a major campaign contributer…. Illinois Planned Parenthood, he was told how to vote. Illinois newspapers then covered up his BAIPA voting record and his actions to kill the bill while he chaired the committee in 2003. This was all covered up during his 2004 Senate run and his campaign for president.
http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/Obamacoveruponbornalive.htm
There’s much more to his sorry pre presidential life but if you are going to accuse him of building a global caliphate, you are going to have to add a ton of other people to the plot. He owes too many people, they were successful in getting him to the OO, but then that foreign policy stuff just mucked up their socialist agenda along the way. Now they are failing and flailing but still are very much in control of the little guy’s ears.
OLD TROOPER 2, his a HEROS of more than this generation and, YVAN has push his stupid comments,
too much, to think that women should stay home and make babys is an incomplete way to think and very stupid, there is many women working to help their children grow with all the benefits to become top citizens who are working on keeping this country the most free of the world,and they have children at home waiting, but don’t be worry, those children are in the best of hands and not wearing scarfs,
yvan showed how limited he is and when OT gave him a remark to make him stop and think more,
YVAN switch to retaliate, and that is not why Ot left like MATA mentioned, and she is right on,
no connection at all, he just pick himself his own time to leave ,in a dignified way he always show in his WISES comments, those trolls like YVAN are too cheap elements to take any benefits for another’s action,
I would hope OT2 can and will step back, take a deep breath, and when he is ready to comment, continue- but as someone who has blogged on other sites, I also know too well the mosquito-like effect of those who have half- formed ideas, and then begin to just rant when you destroy their arguments.
These are people on the left (and, to a lesser extent, the right) who are dogmatic about what they have heard, but have done precious little research on their own.
I know- it wears you down- and that IS their goal, to get you to throw up your hands and quit. It is seductive to begin to think of a life beyond debate, especially against the unarmed (it’s like ramming your face against a brick wall), but if you do cease the fight, then the idiots win.
Perhaps OT2 should read William Barret Travis’ letter about the seige of the Alamo, and his plea for reinforcements-
WBT had no reverse gear, and I am sure OT2 has none either- he just needs to take a deep breath.
Blake , hi, you have good argument for OT to come back and all want him to come back also, his point ov view is always right on, and nobody can argue with it, the only ones are the same as usual,
to disrupt is their goal, they will pick on the group and individual person to create a confrontation without having facts. thank you
Ivan’s spine appears to have gone missing.
If anyone happens to stumble across it, please speak up.
How is that germane to the thread topic? I get chastised for being “off-topic” from time to time, yet you can go on and on about things not related to the thread.
@Ivan:
Oh looky looky what scurried out….
Surely you’re not gonna whine about non-germane discussions when you, sir, derailed the topic beginning way back in post #1 are you?
Surely not.
In your subsequent scribblings you posed a variety of non-topic questions to others who are commenting here and, since turnabout is fair play, I composed a series of questions for you.
Here they are (for the third time):
Post #1 WAS on-topic.
Post #109 is not on-topic.
How are these questions germane to the discussion?
Geez. I leave for a day, and all hell brakes loose.
Hey gang! Whatcha think of this lil’ piece of punditry?
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2011/02/now-that-gamalists-have-been-toppled.html
(Positing that it was a coup against Mubarak’s son.)
@Ivan:
Much as you may wish to weasel and squirm about, the original topic was the possibility of a “global caliphate”. That ties into women and western values how exactly?
Oh, that’s right…it doesn’t… because the “caliphate” is not a western idea now is it?
The larger point here, however, is that your subsequent posts on this thread have been far, far removed from the original topic so your attempts to use the “that’s off topic” excuse as a way to escape a discomfiting situation are, quite frankly, weak and weaselly.
Now, yet again, here are the questions:
You’re the one who chose to express your sexist misogynist 1600′s viewpoint of women here on this thread.
Apparently you had no problem doing that even though they are clearly unrelated to the caliphate topic.
Why so hesitant to answer the questions now regarding your views?
Why so hesitant to speak up and express your manly superiority regarding the little woman at home raising your brood?
Why don’t you speak up and tell us how you keep that Ph. D. educated historian, writer, small business owner, educator “professional” wife of yours in line with your idea of “western values” and a woman’s traditional role and “primary responsibility.”
You had no problems casting stones at the wives or daughters of others here, yet you wont’ stand your ground and speak your mind when called upon to defend your views.
Why is that?
Yeah…we both know why.
I’m not hesitant, but you have failed to answer the salient question: What does it matter?
Answer me this: Do you question my conservative bona fides? Do you suspect, and have proof I’m a liberal troll?
Or has your internet stalking session on google revealed me to be a conservative?
And why the stalking? Do you hate your fellow conservatives?
And when you ask how many children I have had, do you mean me or my wife?
Let’s face it, I’ve done more for the conservative movement in this nation than all your silly posts here on FA.
Aye: Have you seen her on youtube?
Isn’t she smoking hot?
;->
Ya might be a conservative, but that has little to do with being a dick.
-Psst. Yer bein a dick.
@Ivan:
What made the topic salient when you asked related, and remarkably similar, questions of others here?
And, of course, if you weren’t hesitant you would have responded to them the first time I posted them rather than engaging in evasion and avoidance.
Nah, your postings right here on this site have revealed you to be a lying, egocentric, hypocritical, bigoted, racist, sexist, homophobic, misogynistic pontificating pustule.
I didn’t need Google or any other search engine to learn that about you.
Nah, you’re not one my fellow conservatives. I have nothing, whatsoever, at all in common with someone who espouses such views of his fellow human beings, and women specifically.
You should re-read the question. More slowly this time.
Yeah, right.
In reality what you’ve done you sad, silly, self-absorbed little man is provide a perfect, living, breathing example of all of the things that people in the conservative movement should avoid being.
You forgot “dick”.
-just sayin.
Patvann, hi, nice of you to come with weapons, to help on the cleanup
bye
Well now, ain’t that an interesting tidbit to throw in. Ya know, Ivan, I was really surprised to see your [lack of] tact and tack on this thread. It’s not like you’re new here, but who only knew you were the back asswards neaderthal.
Oh wait.. we should have had a heads up when you said this:
Right…. with attitudes like that, you’ve done more to *sink* the conservative movement. Do us all a favor… don’t help.
As far as you “doing more”… you’d better put your money where your mouth is. Just what have you “done”? Between your dissertations and your mental outlook on individual freedoms, carefully separated by gender, your very existence and accomplishments look pretty lackluster to me.
I think it’s quite safe to say, with 100% accuracy, that OT2′s natural gastric emissions have contributed more value to the conservative movement, and this country, than your entire 49-50 years of breathing on this planet.
Now that’s funny.
And true.
I do feel a great deal of insecurity emanating from you guys!
Mata: Why are you so vituperative? Your comments are are so vile and sexually charged! What is it with you and the need to go into the gutter?
Aye: Good luck with your conservative “jihad” posting here at FA! I’m sure you must feel very important to the conservative movement doing all this posting. I do enjoy your posts.
;->
Let’s face it, some people are in the inside looking at all the people on the outside looking in.
I’ll tell Gov. Martinez you say,”hello.”
IVAN, you’r getting your small change for what you have done, this only pennys,
we’r not finish yet with you
Perhaps we could somehow treat Governor Martinez to this thread, bet she’d get a real kick out of it. You think there might be someone out there somewhere in the www that just might be as close to her as Ivan?
Being a first termer, she should really be careful with who she associates with. Ew, I can see the frontpage now:
“Misogynist Meanders Through the Martinez Mansion”
She would love it! Just love it!
@Patvann:
Missed you, man!
I would feel sorry for Ivan, but#1, I really am not well acquainted with Gov. Martinez- but if she has anyone with his attitude near her she is in trouble, and #2, I firmly believe that once you are an adult, anything you say or do is yours and yours alone to either your credit or sorrow.
In Ivan’s case, well we all have seen his stripes anad smelled his odor- not much more to add.
Small people, on the outside, looking in.
I really feel sorry for you guys.
@Ivan:
Little known fact:
Chuck Norris fears OT2′s natural gastric emissions.
Perhaps if someone cared enough to express Ivan’s anal glands, he might not be as grouchy-
It’s like every time I click on this thread “Ivan The Terrible” is here. I’m just supprised its still growing.
Patvann, you rescue my unforgetable mistake, I am very thankfull,
CHUCK NORRIS should come at FA to get some of our nice comments,
I would praise his acting talent and fearless attitude of the patriot HE certainly is,
like you and your SON
yvan, don’t you see that meter is frozen, can’t work below zero. and you’r the only small person looking in; the others looking in are bigger than you
Notice that Obama has just about completely abandoned Israel? Kinda fits.
Aye…that’s a great GIF!!!
Keep posting bro, the cause needs you!
The removal of Christian principles will result in an Islamic take over.
@Ivan: Define conservative.
Pat Buchanan.
@Old Trooper 2: I have to add that the military has its share of the blame for the disgrace of America. Instead of defending the Constitution and People of the United States they are playing the part of hired mercenaries sent to and fro to destroy and kill whatever country and/or people who’ve been designated for destruction even though the orders they receive are illegal and oppose the Constitution. Following orders regardless of their legality or the lack of authority behind the orders isn’t something to be celebrated, honored, or respected, but the American people are necessarily conditioned to show a bizarre reverence for the military in this age of empire and conquest. “I may not agree with the war, but I’ll support the troops.” It’s like the lord’s prayer in modern america.
“We follow orders or people die.” And if orders aren’t followed there’s always a courts martial! If the orders the military receives are in fact illegal and oppose the constitution perhaps its time to rid the country of the incompetent clown who’s issuing those orders!
@Billy Singleton: There is always a REMF who can blame the only organization that can not fight back because of the oath they took. BS is a good description of you and your comments. It is not the military member’s responsibility to determine if the orders are against the constitution. If you had any knowledge of US government, you would know that it is the judicial branch of government who makes that decision. They have never determined that our military actions are illegal. If you want your posts to be respected here, know what you are discussing.
Patvann, I came back to check this POST again, 31 of MARCH 2011, and It’s snowing again,
spring will fix that winter for good soon,
I always wanted to tell you that I love your eagle in front of the FLAG, It’s OUTSTANDING
bye
OLD TROOPER 2, hi, I sure hope for your returning home,
MAY GOD BLESS YOU TOO, we are missing you, ON THIS DAY
31 st of MARCH, 2011