Freedom Marches On In The Middle East, All Thanks To President George W. Bush

To your lame stream media. Your precedent is won and dung. Can you guys ever come back from that gawd awful borrowing? The free world is finished. Supposed leaders ?

The explosion in Egypt was inevitable, as is the threat of islamofacism. Iraq and Iran are the only two countries in the region with enough secular history (being iradicated in Iran sadly) to have a chance of becoming a modern repulbic (true democracy isn’t workable anywhere). Bush’s gamble in Iraq offers the only alternate future for thinking people in other muslim countries. I doubt it holds sway against the murderous thugs in Egypt, but even a long shot is still a shot.

Frankly, I think we should develop our own fuel soureces and let them kill as many of their own kind as possible.

Don’t count Egypt out yet. It seems that the actual working people of the country, now that their jobs have been sut down and the internet disrupted have shown up to oppose the anti government forces. But the MSM is labeling these people as government operatives and yet they cast a veil of Democracy over people who have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and are violently anti American?? Where is the impartiality?

For decades the people who ruled the various Islamic states in Northern Africa and the Middle East have scapegoated little Israel for every failure within their own borders.
If people were out of work…..it was Israel’s fault.
If roads were not good…..it was Israel’s fault.
If many people were poor….it was Israel’s fault.
If they lacked hospitals/doctors…..it was Israel’s fault.

Everything was Israel’s fault.

Apparently, however, the spread of the internet and social media have helped folks realize that they’ve been lied to by their kleptocratic rulers all this time.
It doesn’t mean they don’t still hate Israel.
(You can see posters of Mubarak with a star of David painted on his forehead in these protests.)

But when the excesses of these rulers is plastered all over the web……
A Muslim prince who murdered his GAY servant/lover while in a luxury hotel in London,
A leader’s daughter shown swigging beer and in a bikini on foreign soil,
A looting of their own treasury to the tune of BILLIONs by many leaders,
and so on, and on…..
Eventually the truth sinks in: the suffering of the people is NOT entirely Israel’s fault.

To a large degree their own leaders are keeping them down.

There are tons of Muslims-in-name-only bowing down and looking just like their very-religious counterparts.
That is the best way to survive in an Islamic place.

Sharia demands generational poverty with its prohibition against borrowing with interest.
Sharia demands women in a subservient role, more subservient in some places over others.
Sharia demands respect for your Muslim leaders but hatred toward the unbelievers.

In Egypt, for instance, a man’s chances of finding a wife improve with the size and impressiveness of his ”raisin,” as the bruise on his forehead is called.
One gets a raisin by bowing down for every prayer and very powerfully, hitting one’s head on the rug hard enough to eventually make and keep a bruise.

Islam is a frustrating system for young men.
Because parents do not value a daughter as much as a son, there are some who kill a newborn girl, other girls die in ”honor killings,” before they marry.
Rich men may take 3 full-time and one temporary wife.
So, there is a female shortage.
Men need to be killed off or fight to expand their population base so they can carry away captive women.
We are seeing this happen at the edges of Islam all over the world.
The British just had an admission that 50-to-1 Muslims outnumber others as men who rape non-Muslim girls, trying to turn them into wives and/or prostitutes.
In Egypt the kidnapping, raping, starving, forcibly converting then marrying of Coptic girls is common.

So, what the original topic showed was President Bush having an idea what might work, and maybe Bush even tried to put the money behind encouraging that outcome, BUT there is no direct cause/effect between what Bush hoped would happen and what we are seeing now.

Sorry, but I think other factors weighed in more heavily.

A poll from early Dec. 2010.
Egyptian Muslims were asked:

Is Islam playing a large role in politics a good thing?
95% of those Egyptian Muslims asked said it is better for Islam to play a large role in government.

Is Islam playing a large role in politics a bad thing?
2% of those Egyptian Muslims asked said it is better for Islam to play a small role in government.

Is Islam playing a small role in politics a good thing?
2% of those Egyptian Muslims asked said it is better for Islam to play a small role in government.

Is Islam playing a small role in politics a bad thing?
80% of those Egyptian Muslims asked said it is worse for Islam to play a small role in government.

Also three-quarters (75%) of Muslims in Egypt say they would favor making each of the following the law in their countries:
stoning people who commit adultery,
whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery and
the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion.

The whole poll is here.

Still think the Muslim Brotherhood doesn’t stand a chance of taking over Egypt within, say, two election cycles?

@Nan G, I wonder if you gave the poll in the USA and said Christian instead of Muslim how different the answers would be? Just wondering your thoughts.

Prayer in school
Religious symbols in public places
God Bless America
One Nation Under God
to name a few…

I know the US needs to have Foreign Policies. I beginning , perhaps naively, to wish the United States would have more limited policies with Foreign countries, especially dictatorships and oppressors.

United States can no longer be the “Police” of the World. If emerging leaders for Democracy in Countries around the world want to learn about democracy, let them come to the U.S. to study and bring it home with them. If they and their country want it bad enough, they will fight for it. Like we did.

Do I like the fact that human rights are destroyed or ignored by oppressive regimes and dictators? Of course not. That’s what ‘the people’ have to fight for or fight against…

People of the Middle East have blatant ‘Hatred’ for the West. The leaders of these people for thousands of years have oppressed their own people. Why doesn’t the US wise up and just say screw it if they hate us surely they hate democracy as much because we espouse that as a Nation. To me, it seems like a lost cause. Mexico, Venezuela, North Korea, China, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Palestine, Africa and on and on… all have dictators and oppress people..

Lets get off Foreign Oil and screw the Middle East. Let’s worry about America First. Let’s keep America Safe from foreign and domestic enemies. Period. Let’s keep our nose out of other countries internal governmental problems unless Specifically Asked to do so.

I hear our leaders ‘giving their’ opinions about Egypt, and no one in Egypt is listening anyway. They will wind up with a Regime worse than what they had. Browse this guys website:

this guy is scary and Egyptians ‘should’ be careful what they wish for.’

I know the adage, keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer…

I know I sound like a complete #$##$ &% %%$%% (you fill in the blanks). But, all this is really wearing me down…

I had some very close relationships with many people in Iraq. One of the first signs I saw when I traveled into Iraq in 2003 was “Thank you Mr Bush!” I have a photo somewhere.

President Bush said that all people want the same things. He didn’t get into detail, but I found that to be somewhat true. Everyone I met in Iraq wanted to live without fear. They wanted more for their children (male children, but some wanted more for their female children.) They wanted an opportunity to do better in their lives.

Many were like children in their understanding as to what freedom really was. As a senior officer, I was asked by a couple if I would give them permission to marry. As I stated in other posts at FA, I gave a civics seminar every Sunday at some school. I discussed potential changes in the lives of Iraqis under a representative government. One of the lighter moments was when they asked me how our country could kick a governor out of office and replace him with an actor. I laughed and told them that voters do not always make the best decision, but the decision is theirs to make.

Yes, the think differently, but the basic things they want are nearly the same as what we want. They have difficulty defining what they want since they never experienced them. I still believe that television and the internet will make the difference. It will be the women who will be behind the changes. It likely will occur over a generation and will spread. I do not believe there will be a tolerance for dictators any more.

I think what we see in Jordan where women are allowed to be more westernized is the people wanting more say in how the government is run. There is a high level of trade with Israel in Jordan. I smiled when I saw citrus from Jordan in a Kuwaiti market. The produce is trucked into Jordan where it is packaged as a product of Jordan. Everyone knows where it comes from, but they have deniability.

#8/NAN G TOO TRUE!! Makes my blood boil… Ungrateful…

What frustrates me is the ‘people’ (in many countries) want freedom, their leaders want to oppress. Their leaders spread Anti-Israel, Anti-American propaganda. These same leaders do not want their people to know how benevolent America truly is for fear they will loose power.

They put down America and Americans constantly as though ‘their way’ is best… see this Muslim’s website:

– this is one scary, crazed dude. And a lot of ‘pro-Muslim” Liberals need to see this guy too. This ‘is’ the Muslim Brother hood…

I didn’t add in my own comment that perhaps America should wise up to all these countries who spread negative propaganda about us. Perhaps we should stop sending hard earned American dollars to these same countries – it’s not ‘making’ them ‘like’ us any better. If they are going to ‘hate’ us then hell, give em’ a good reason to hate us… cut off 80% of the funding and what ever else we give to them – but get nothing but ‘Hate’ (the infidels) in return.

Question: Anyone know what all these Islamics do for a living anyway? Seriously, what exactly do these people do as a “Productive” Islamic “Society”? Do they make anything? Do they run any kinds of Companies? Are any of them Business people? Where do they work? Do they even have an economy (Besides oil?) I never hear anything about how these people get money (on their own to live). I know many Egyptians make about $2.00 a day …. for what? and why is that?

CUT OFF 80% ALL FOREIGN FUNDING. Time for the closing of American Bank Accounts to Foreign Countries. Let some other countries step up to the plates. Our Accounts are rapidly running dry thanks to Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Republicans and Especially Liberals. We have no more money to prop up countries who don’t want to help themselves….

I enjoyed this blog post and wanted to share. Thanks to all our past and present members of our military that post with us here at FA. Not only do we benefit from all of you, your families and communities, as well as the world does in a big way!

What About the Egyptian Army?

As their nation’s capital descends into chaos and violence, one thing that continues to characterize this crisis in Egypt has been the behavior of its army – an army showing restraint. This is in a nation that in living memory had a military coup – by Colonels in 1952.

No coup in sight. Additionally, instead of videos of soldiers running down protesters in tanks and opening fire on civilians with crew served weapons, we have soldiers guarding museums and largely being left alone by bands of roving protesters.

While some are shocked that the Egyptian army isn’t following the example of other Arab armies from Syria to Jordan in the second-half of the 20th Century – really they shouldn’t be.

Unlike the pre-Camp David Egyptian army and those of Syria’s Asad and the King Hussein of Jordan’s – the leadership of today’s Egyptian army carries with it an American flavor, a flavor seeped in over three decades of close association. Exactly the opposite of what Hollyweird and the anti-School of the Americas crowd would have you think, never before in history has there been a military with a better political and humanitarian ethos that ours. The more we share that, the better the world’s militaries will behave.

In an interview with NPR’s Tom Bowman, retired Army Major General Robert Scales stated,

“The Egyptian military has been very careful to send only the best and the brightest and the most promising officers to American schools,” he said.

Today, most of the American military schools — from West Point in New York to National Defense University in Washington — have an Egyptian officer sitting in the classroom. Right now, one is even on a class trip to San Francisco.

Those relationships, Scales said, build what he calls enormous influence with Egypt, “not just because of the schools, but because of almost 30 years of intimate contact from exercises to the sale of military hardware like M1 tanks and F-16 fighter jets.”

In addition to that, there is the very personal relationships we share with our Egyptian counterparts. Under a structure in American law, policy and culture, security assistance and cooperation between the US and Egyptian for decades built relationships and acculturation such that the two militaries know each other better and understood each other more closely than the average citizen or reporters have with their Egyptian counterparts. That is why most US military officers are not shocked that the Egyptian military has shown restraint. Egyptian military leaders look to our habits as those as professionals – professionals do not wage war on its own unarmed citizens. They Egyptian people have seen that.

As a result, the Egyptian people, for the moment, respect their military over the security forces. The military is a player in a chaotic situation – so far a player in keeping some sense of security for national institutions and the structure of a government, whoever that winds up being.

What can the USA do for Egypt? Well, as a country we already have through all those U.S. military trainers and exercise participants through the decades who built relationships, understanding, and capability to see the American view of the role of a military. We paid into that potential positive effect for a long time, and for now see the fruits of that effort.

I wish we could measure that effect or plan on it – but that effect is there and it may well help in a tipping point or at a minimum buy more time for civil society to step in.

If civil society cannot find a solution – and you have a complete breakdown in security, then maybe you will see Egypt find its inner-Arab Army – but for now; a modern army is there, staying out of it. A very American, and very good thing.

http://bigpeace.com/psalamander/2011/02/02/what-about-the-egyptian-army/