Who are We Really Hurting by Burning the Qur’an?

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September 6, 2010 Afghans wave banners saying “Quran is our law, Islam is our religion” during a demonstration against the U.S. in Kabul. Hundreds railed against the U.S. and called for President Barack Obama’s death at the rally denouncing an American church’s plans to burn the Islamic holy book on Sept. 11.
Musadeq Sadeq-AP

As I’m sure everyone is made aware of already, General Petraeus has publicly spoken out against the wisdom (or lack thereof) of the planned burning of Korans on September 11th:

“It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort,” Gen. Petraeus said in an interview. “It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems. Not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community.”

Hundreds of Afghans attended a demonstration in Kabul on Monday to protest the plans of Florida pastor Terry Jones, who has said he will burn copies of Islam’s holy book to mark the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Afghan protesters chanted “death to America,” and speakers called on the U.S. to withdraw its troops. Some protesters threw rocks at a passing military convoy.

Military officials fear the protests will likely spread to other Afghan cities, especially if the event is broadcast or ends up on Internet video.

Gen. Caldwell said many Afghans do not understand either the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment or the fact that President Barack Obama can’t simply issue a decree to stop Mr. Jones from his demonstration. Military officials said they were not trying to deny Mr. Jones his right to free speech, but feared he was not thinking about the consequences of his actions.

“There is no question about First Amendment rights; that is not the issue,” Gen. Caldwell said. “The question is: What is the implication over here? It is going to jeopardize the men and women serving in Afghanistan.”

As opponents of the “Ground Zero Mosque” like to say, “This isn’t about what’s legal. We know it’s legal. This is about what’s right.”

What good will be accomplished by the burning of the Koran? In its original Arabic, it is regarded with deep reverence by those who practice the faith seriously (both by jihadis and by peaceful Muslims), as the very Word of God. By trying to hurt “radicals” who else are they hurting in the process? Of course, Terry Jones, who authored a book titled “Islam is of The Devil,” is one of those who regards Islam itself as the enemy. This plays right into the hands of bin Laden and Zawahiri who desperately want the entire Muslim world to buy into their propaganda that the West, and the U.S. in particular, are persecuting Muslims and are at war with their faith. Truth is not on their side…unless al Qaeda has willing dupes like Terry Jones pawning for them.

There is no question that a good percentage of the Islamic world has a tolerance and anger management problem:

Allegations of mishandling the Quran have interrupted Afghan security training at least twice this year, Gen. Caldwell said.

In one instance, a Quran fell to the ground when an American officer opened a locker during an inspection of Afghan trainees’ barracks. The rumor quickly spread that the officer had thrown it to the ground, angering the trainees at the camp. “He quickly apologized, but rumors took off like wildfire,” Gen. Caldwell said. “It was so hard to get the misperception turned around we stopped all training for the rest of the day.”

Reports about the Quran have set off violent protests before. A report in Newsweek, later retracted, that a U.S. interrogator at the Guantanamo Bay prison had flushed a Quran down a toilet set off riots in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

And certainly there is a fair amount of double standard at work, where artists, comedians, writers, and anti-Christian bigots feel free to insult and defile Christianity while Islam appears to be “off limits”. At least not without “Islamic rage boy” terrorizing the offenders with fatwas and rioting.

There is no fear of Christian militant Crusadists walking up to Andres Serrano and stabbing him to death over Piss Christ.

However, a few points:

1) We are not in the middle of a war with Christian religious radical extremist militants where winning hearts and minds of the Christian majority is a major part of waging a global counterinsurgency effort.

2) Just because one can ridicule Christians and Jews and get away with it does not make it right to do so. One should, in general, be respectful of others. Be the example. The line of reasoning that argues “We’ll let a mosque be built here as soon as they allow churches and synagogues to be built at Mecca and Medina” are just juvenile and self-serving tit for tats. Why would we choose to be “more like them”? So arguing that we should burn Korans because others are able to desecrate things held sacred by Jews and Christians and get away with it is just a weak, childish, vindictive, gratuitous form of being what you profess to hate. Who are we really hurting here?

We shouldn’t have to tip-toe on eggshells around a particular religion and give special preferential treatment to it, not extended to the other faiths. However, the reality also remains that one of the three major faiths does have an anger management problem amongst a sizable minority of its practitioners and we are in the middle of a war. A war that requires the winning of hearts and minds and the marginalization of the more radical elements of Islam from the more moderate elements of Islam.

We have Muslim allies in our war. They and our enemy share the same Holy Book. But their reading of it differs. How does burning their Holy Book hurt our enemy and not our allies?

Interestingly enough, one of my friends who is French Muslim-American, posted a CNN video interview of Terry Jones a couple of weeks ago on her FB wall. Every single one of her Muslim friends merely laughed or was dismissive, expressing a “turn the other cheek” sentiment in their comments. No stereotypical Islamic rage here. One might call their reaction a very typical “Christian” response. They’d probably disagree and say they are being “Islamic” in their tolerance (Believe it or not, cynicism and derision aside, Sumbul Ali-Karamali talks about tolerance in Islam in her book, “The Muslim Next Door”).

I do not believe that desecration of the Koran hurts bin Laden and Zawahiri in the slightest. I do believe that they welcome- they beg for “International Burn a Koran Day” to occur….because it plays right into their propaganda playbook.

Just because we can…..should we?


A handwritten Koran is displayed during an exhibition in Malacca, Malaysia January 12, 2008. You Witness News/Aizuddin Saad

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@Nan G: My point has been we have as much right to do unwise things as the GZ mosque imam.
That our political leaders should have butted out, they are guilty of far worse incitement by killing Muslims.

I don’t disagree that we have the Constitituional right to do stupid stuff, Nan G. My return point was … as Old Trooper has noted repeatedly… that stupid has consequences. And while that may not affect you, sitting in the safety of your home, it will affect our troops, our commanders, and our overall strategy.

You still, however, interchange labels when you say “worse incitement by killing Muslims”. To my knowledge, no US or NATO troops have ever deliberately targeted innocent Muslims in our warfare. Collateral damage is a part and parcel of war, and regrettable. But is no where resembling your assertation that we “kill Muslims”.

We kill jihadists… along with our Muslim allies. And frankly, I’d really appreciate you learning the difference between the two.

AdrianS: And, yes security is imposed by law FOR THE PROTECTION OF THOSE IN PUBLIC EVENTS. Get it right! There is no such imposition on the church, by law.

But of course there is an “imposition” of security in events by churches… not only *that* particular church, but all churches. They are tax exempt. Not exempt from our rules of law. duh wuh….

The security is to protect not only the attendees and participants, but bystanders and neighbors. Police protection/security is not “for hire” by the event sponsors footing the bill, but to enforce American law and keep any haps from the event escalating into arenas where lives… of anyone in the proximity… are affected.

For your information, what is codified in the Constitution need not appear in your local US Code. The Supreme Court is constantly interpreting what is in the Constitution; the law.

Gosh darn… and gee. Who woulda thunk it. 🙄 I mean, it’s not like we don’t have thorough posts on FA about key SCOTUS decisions, or that the multitude of SCOTUS/legal analytical sites are blocked to those with curious minds.

So AdrianS – since you’ve alluded to the undisclosed – why don’t you link the SCOTUS opinion you think is pertinent to your convictions that Obama’s birth status is beyond legal challenge? Since reading SCOTUS opinions is a bizarre and geeky hobby of mine, and there are too many to put under one’s belt in a lifetime, I’m oh so curious as to your self proclaimed “higher intellect” INRE SCOTUS opinions and Constitutional law INRE presidential candidate status. I love learning new stuff! Especially from “the masters”… heh

BTW, tread carefully. This is an avenue that has been traveled by those with far more grey matter than you have shown to possess. T’aint a sin not to know it all. And it’s a virtue to remain open. I might also add there’s another virtue you may want to work on… humility, perhaps? I say this because of your next comment I’ll address:

AdrianS: Higher Intellect means nothing to you. Replies go zipping past and above your head by at least 5 miles.

I am NOT your teacher. There is enough in what I have written (and your favorite flavor Google) to clarify all that you request. But I suppose that is too much for you to seek and find.

Thank God… we have a hard enough time trying to overcome the damage to the public education system that Bill Ayers has wrought for decades, let alone depending upon your input. Might as well just race to birther nation, WND, and consume that news diet 24/7.

Thus far you have proven yourself woefully inadequate in special events organization, Constitutional Law 101, and presented yourself at the level of a Muslim cleric. Adrian, really now… no one knows it all. But the stuff you’re putting forth is of a lower quality than you find on Wiki, fer heavens sake.

And the weird thing is, AdrianS, in most arenas we aren’t far apart on our beliefs. And we most certainly find common ground that Obama and his progressive rule is a seriously dangerous and bad joke.

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INRE the heel-kicking over the Cordoba House, moving to another location…. premature. All the Florida cleric promised was that he would set up a meeting with Rauf and himself to discuss the relocation of that facility. One should get a clue as to character of Terry Jones by his self-proclaimed… and erroneous… “mission accomplished” announcement.

If Rauf moves Cordoba House, I’ll be thrilled. Won’t have to listen to this BS anymore about being forced into a burqa because a building you don’t like in NYC has been approved… sigh.

However the damage has already been done with the rhetoric. Unfortunately, too many have already proven that George W. Bush lied and OBL is correct – too many Americans are, indeed, at “war with Islam”. And equally unfortunate, that attitude has been tagged as a blanket conservative and tea party attitude.

I think is the longest thread, more comments, than I have seen on any FA topic before. The most astonishing thing to me is the “irony” that has occurred over this topic and the GZM. The Obama-bin-lyin has certainly divided the country and perhaps the world along secular lines. Just goes to show us that “politicos” are stupid to stupider when it comes to any kind of controversy. It is a crying shame, worries me about the health of the Republic and does IMHO create an atmosphere that is counter to peace. I check the news via google or yahoo many times each day worried that some kind of “breaking” news event will have occurred.

Me . . . lucky me . . . I am traveling to Bahrain . . . via Kuwait City . . . on Saturday 9/11.

Wish me good luck . . . and say a few kind words to the Great Spirit for me.

Tallgrass, I shall most certainly put out requests for blessings from any spirits you revere. But take heart… cyber debates are especially brutal and uncivil since it’s such a two dimensional medium. In reality, as you interface with genuine humans here and across the globe, it’s unlikely you shall meet all the hatred that, as posed here, blindly exists in anyone who is different and follows a different religion. The good guys in this world still outnumber the bad. Unfortunately, that is only sometimes apparent when you leave the hostility of your keyboard.

Travel well, enjoy all you see and encounter.

TALLGRASS: I wish you all good things along your trip, how long will you be there?, hope you can check with us, so we know that you are okay,I wiill ask the great spirit to watch over you so you’ll be safe, take care. bye

MATA : hi, you sure know how to find the right words, any times. bye

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I love learning new stuff! Especially from “the masters”

You are putting me on the spot. But what the heck, here goes.

This is an avenue that has been traveled by those with far more grey matter than you have shown to possess

Is your crystal ball registered or is it second-hand? You can see gray matter from a distance?

And the weird thing is, AdrianS, in most arenas we aren’t far apart on our beliefs. And we most certainly find common ground that Obama and his progressive rule is a seriously dangerous and bad joke.

Finally, consensus. That’s the point. But how he was (or why?) Obama “elected”. The DNC ignored his qualifications. The Senate and House leaders continue to ignore Obama’s secret agenda. Else why hide Obama’s educational, personal and professional information? — at least that which is important to identify who he really is. And, Secretaries of States as well as voters ignored the serious lack of Obama’s experience. This fault has impaired not only Obama, but the entire country as well.

It is too early to celebrate that the imam will move the mosque somewhere else is right. I agree with you. However, the imama as well as his largest investor will look bad if they don’t agree to sell and move, since the investor said he would sell if given a great offer. Donald Trump has made such an offer at a 25% premium. If the imam or his investor refuse, the wrath brought upon the pastor in FL will look like a picknik. Americans will see just how nasty those two Muslims are. Ameriphobia will cover Muslims in America as the haunted. No violence, just disgust.

Gosh darn… and gee. Who woulda thunk it.

What you are referring to in the quote above was a response to Aye Chihuahua who had requested that I quote him certain US Code regarding a constitutional imperative regarding U.S. presidential qualifications. You really should share your crystal ball with him.

Get it right or fail forever.

Heavens, Adrian. Obama was… *wasn’t*… “elected” because the DNC didn’t bother to check qualifications. In fact, the question of his qualifications was alluded to publicly prior to the election.

Obama was elected by lib/progs and independents… all of whom were uneducated and gullible. They refused to see what so many of us easily saw. But I do agree that with the POTUS candidates, it should be law that their qualifications are made public beyond party qualifying applications. Good luck with that since only Congress can make that law. We have about as much chance of that as we do asking them to make it law they have pay cuts to match national debt, and that they subject themselves to drug testing at regular intervals as well.

Don’t know what your crystal ball tangent is about. Especially since, in the history of many of my posts and comments, I’ve always given a caveat that my crystal ball is dusty. But it doesn’t take a crystal ball to catch your glaring errors in the debate on this thread. Therefore the grey matter you have demonstrated… as I specifically said… is woefully short when compared to the writings of the legal analysts who have already traveled the path of citizen status at the time of Obama’s birth.

And BTW… still missing that SCOTUS link you allude to. Aye quoted you US Code. You suggest it’s been changed by a SCOTUS opinion. So where is it?

tapping toes… tapping toes

I said:

Obama was elected by lib/progs and independents… all of whom were uneducated and gullible.

Let me correct that. There are those voters that genuinely want euro-socialism here, and were doing happy dances at having such a neo-marxist candidate. But for those that are lamenting their vote, they were uneducated and gullible.

MATA ,DID we ever beat that number of comments before?

@MataHarley:

So where is it?

It’s in her well organized sock drawer…right next to the US Code / FL law that gives the Koran burning kooks at Dove Outreach exemption from public event security and its’ subsequent costs.

Don’t expect her to actually drag it out and show it to you…it’s her very own closely guarded secret.

@Tallgrass:

Indeed we will, hope your trip is of the ordinary, safe and eventful. Hurry back! 😉

BTW, there have been a few longer threads.

MISSY: hi, I was wondering too, when TALLGRASS mentioned it,
I suppose that we can find it on the ARCHIVE ON a TITLE that read WHAT?
bye

THE IMAN SAID that DONALD TRUMP IS ONLY seeking PUBLICITY WITH this OFFER,
WOW, HE’s telling more of himself and his INTENT by SAYING that about the DONALD.

As Jay Leno said recently in one of his monologues, we should let Donald Trump buy the site, he only worships himself and that would end the controversy.

Just back from a 9/11 weekend trip from the sunny shores of So. Cal. to the beauties of a sunny 75 in Central Park and a peaceful and reflective visit to Ground Zero. The people of N.Y.C. are invinceable.White,Black,Brown,Asian,Christians,Jews,Muslims at peace.
The city is alive and well.Our country of immigrants, living and working together in this incredible city is a beautiful thing to see.

Adrian IMHO you should give it up. A.C. and Mata have consistantly cleaned your clock.

Semper Fi RJW

Aleric, hi, I came back today,20 jan. 2011, and read again the comments of this smart FA group, and I just want to say that on your comment you pin down the problem of the war of today, still as we are here ,
at this new year on the way, it is even more accuate as time advance, and it should be noted as very worthy of second thought for leader to implement strategy of war, as you say, it tell me that we should never discard the wins of previous wars, because ,it come back to haunt us now as they try to talk to the ennemies, instead of eliminating them.

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