Oh yes please…..let them try this please:
Iran’s elite* Revolutionary Guards are ready to provide a military escort to cargo ships trying to break Israel’s blockade of Gaza, a representative of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said on Sunday.
“Iran’s Revolutionary Guards naval forces are fully prepared to escort the peace and freedom convoys to Gaza with all their powers and capabilities,” Ali Shirazi, Khamenei’s representative inside the Revolutionary Guards, was quoted as saying by the semi-official Mehr news agency.
What numbnuts. Not only will they get their asses handed to them but this will also verify the Israeli claim that these blockade “runners” are nothing but Iranian ships bringing weapons to Hamas.
And from Ace we hear the names and bio’s of those “peace” activists on the earlier flotilla:
Fatimah Mahmadi (born 1979), is a United States resident of Iranian origin, and an active member of the organization “Viva Palestine”, she attempted to smuggle forbidden electronic components into the Gaza Strip.
Ken O’Keefe (Born 1969), an American and British citizen, is a radical anti-Israel activist and operative of the Hamas Terror organization. He attempted to enter the Gaza Strip in order to form and train a commando unit for the Palestinian terror organization.
Hassan Iynasi (born 1982), a Turkish citizen and activist in a Turkish charity organization, is known of providing financial support to the Palestinian Islamic Jihad Terror organization.
Hussein Urosh, a Turkish citizen and activist in the IHH organization, was on his way to the Gaza Strip in order to assist in smuggling Al-Qaeda operatives via Turkey into the Strip.
Ahmad Umimon (born 1959), is a French citizen of Moroccan origin, and an operative of the Hamas Terrorist organization.
And from The Jawa Report comes the unedited audio from the Israeli Navy and the Terrorists onboard the flotilla:
Some examples:
“shut up, go back to Auschwitz”
“we’re helping Arabs go against the US, don’t forget 9/11.”
Rauf and his gang have a right to buy the property two blocks from Ground Zero.
Do you think for one second that they did not think through the potential reaction? Does anyone think for one second that the outcry is exactly what they want? Does anyone think for one second that a more considerate and thoughtful choice would have been respected? No, they picked that location expressly for the reaction. They want the issue. They will use that reaction for poltical purposes for sure, but that was the intent all along.
Rauf is getting exactly what he wanted. He is NOT the peace loving guy he would have you believe. He is an instigator.
In the Middle East Israel is constantly provoked and instigated, over and over and over until they react and then the perpetrators claim victimhood.
This pattern has repeated itself endlessly. In 1967 Israel was circled with armor and troops with the imminent threat of invasion and it attacked that force, and the Arabs held Israel as the aggressor and claimed to be victims.
Missiles are constantly launched into Israel by Hamas until Israel reacts and Hamas claims victimhood and the world succumbs to moronity.
It was no different with this flotilla. No one was getting hurt until those on board attacked the vessel that wouldn’t heel to, and once again the aggressors claim victimhood. Rauf was a contributor to this effort.
Keep this prism in front of your eyes with each of these events and you will see the truth.
Alan Dershowitz, from Powerline:
For several decades the Current and Past Leadership group in Iran has been a far greater threat to its Own Citizenry and Neighbors in the region than any Western or Euro Governments.
Given the same consideration of the reasoning to go to War with Iraq, Iran has qualified for that status of worthiness. The Saudis, Kuwaitis, Jordan and Lebanon, Qatar and the UAE as well as Iraq and Afghanistan would Love to see Iran get a regime change. Iran actively promotes instability in the Region, Oppresses its People and makes threats that it will get one chance to try.
The IRG is like Saddams Republican Guard. Fanatics, Punks, Bullies, Sociopaths and over rated as a Military Force. They are Thugs in boots. They respect and understand raw brutal force and consider Diplomacy to be a weakness. There are about a dozen Iran Rev Guard operatives in the cage in Baghram right now. They won’t be released until NATO and ISAF/CENTCOM forces leave AFPAK.
Israel has the Sovereign Right, Prerogative and Duty to Defend itself. They will absolutely prevail against any foe in the region with or without American assistance. Even Pakistan has no love for Iran.
The weak link right now is a reluctant US led by a rank amateur Head of State with inexperienced and buffoonish State Department and a UN Department Head with no genuine experience. Both Russia and China and Iran know that fact. NATO doubts US leadership, policies and intent because it is very ambiguous, confusing and buffoonish most of the time.
As Curt stated, let them try it…First line Military Leadership may not wait for Committees or Others to send direction when Troops and Allies are at risk. It is not a Social, Diplomatic or Theoretical Issue after shots are fired and folks are killed on a larger scale than just a few men.
Watch, Wait and see.
For all you naive Christians and Jews out there in Never Never Land, MUSLIMS WANT TO KILL YOU. If not sooner than later. There are no moderate muslims. The Koran tells them it’s OK to lie to infadels. What is needed is a Judeo/Christian jihad to rid the USA of Islam and its influence on this country. Just MHO.
OT – To the topic of this post. Iran won’t escort relief ships into Gaza. They will lose face in the Arab world when Israel sinks their navy.
OLD TROOPER: hi, i would say that ISRAEL being there, is providing a security to neighbourds arabs peaceful countrys, against terrorist parts who just want to destroy : OTHER WISE, the ARABS bullies would beat on the peacefull ARABS making war against each others. bye
@Minuteman26: If you’re looking for recruits, sign me up. I don’t even belong to any religion.
@Smorgasbord
LOL… hear ya… I’m a Deist at best… though its in my will that I will be buried with my favorite sword in hand…
ROMEO13: hi, IF we cannot get them here, we’ll get them on the other side. bye
@Romeo13: The sword ain’t doing any good in the ground. Pass it on.
@smorgasbod
Well, the other… crap… gotta count… 19 of mine will be passed on… and the Son already has 4 of his own… daughter has two…
I’ve been into Elizabethan Fencing for almost 20 years now… my 19 year old twins grew up with it…
And my Gr. Gr. Gr. Gr. Grandfathers Civil War Saber will pass… I’ll just “hang on” to my Modern Steel Papenheimer (42 in hand forged blade, forged by mordern metalurgy, by a long time friend).
ROMEO13: very impress also with all your previous comments; best to you sr, and all your’s.
bye
@Smorgasbord:
Ok….ask.
Maybe because you’re stereotyping all Islamic practitioners under one tent of Islamic belief?
I have Muslim friends and none have ever expressed the desire to convert me or kill me. Nor have I noticed anything at all abusive in their marriages. No more so than any typical marriage.
Now one might argue then they aren’t devout followers or ignore inconvenient passages from their own Holy Book. I say, “so what?” I’m not an Islamic scholar and I’m not a Christian biblical scholar, nor a Torah scholar. But I say let the practitioners define their own faith and who and what they believe in. Allow the moderates to reform their religion, because I don’t see them giving up Islam any time soon. They are who they are and bin Laden and Zawahiri are who they are…which is to say, they are not cut of the same Islamic clothe.
And I said earlier or in the other thread, al Qaeda and jihadis are getting their justifications from sources other than just the Koran. There are passages in the Koran that would prevent them from taking certain actions; however, their barbarism is excused by them cherry-picking from Islamic scholars and reformists who they can cite as justifications for the interpretation and expression of their faith that they’ve taken.
@Minuteman26:
bin Laden and Zawahiri couldn’t thank you enough for this.
What the hell are we doing helping Muslims in Iraq? Afghanistan? The jihad movement does not and should not define the whole of Islam.
Read Wordsmith comment #83.
@Wordsmith: All I am saying is that in my opinion the Muslim religion was created by someone or a group who wanted to take over the world, and I will leave it at that.
Even in the Christian New Testament it says that “If your eye offends you, pluck it out, if your had offends you, cut it off.” I haven’t heard of that happening yet, and I know that some Christians have problems not looking at things they know they shouldn’t and taking things that don’t belong to them.
I’m not going to change your mind and you aren’t going to change mine, so I will agree to disagree and not argue about it. Time to change the subject.
Smorg, i am a little confused by the use of blanket statements about religion. I for one am a Christian, and do not go to a Church that has a pastor telling me what to do or believe. It is hard to find a church in my area that would fit that mold (minus Catholicism and its branches). I always have a reference point, the bible. Just like the law of our land, we have to have a reference point – the constitution. If any of it starts to live and breath with the times, it becomes subject to man, and man is sinful – meh sorry – faulty, imperfect etc… The founders had this in mind when they wrote it. Thus was born the system of checks and balances. Foundations aren’t foundations if they have wheels. The Scriptures are constantly tested with time, and matched up to archeological finds such as the dead sea scrolls to validify the context/writings/translations etc. The bible in fact, is very upfront (unlike the Quran) about where translations change and where archeological evidence has suggested other meanings. Though keep in mind, that the overall message isn’t lost. For example, just walk into a modern day book store and look at the many different versions of the bible. The Message is written much more like a contemporary story, but the meaning isn’t lost. The King James, is well, old and out of touch with the way we now read/speak (in my opinion), but is still completely valid.
I also don’t feel that spreading blanket statements about muslims is beneficial to our (or anyone’s) cause. The fact that you said they are supposed to, “convert or kill”, only demonstrates a lack of knowledge. There are mercy laws, and it describes how to treat outsiders etc.. i’ve mentioned this before, but read publications by Walid Shoebat. Ex-terrorist turned Christian, and a brilliant mind. He does a great job of confirming/denying these stereotypes. He also does a fantastic job of framing these advanced concepts and theologies, into a context that makes sense to a western brain.
I won’t say that you are terribly far from the truth (doctrinally) in the ideal muslim world, but again, you don’t see every muslim going around trying to chop off heads. I don’t know who said it above, but the real issue lies in the fact that Islam is not just a belief system. It is a political, social, religious, economical etc system that is interwoven and interdependent on all its members working together.
Christianity says to be in the world, but not of the world. Islam advocates control and dominance over the world. That is why they are against the ‘zionist pigs’. Our democracy does not fit within their system – at all. The muslims that are in the u.s. are forced into our ways, and thus, are necessarily forced to make exceptions in their own laws. For example mercy beatings or dominance over ones wife in the U.S. would land you in the pen. Christians in Muslim countries are not usually able to practice their faith openly. Even if international law specifically guarantees that right. Stealing here in the states will get you a slap on the wrist. Stealing in the mid-east will get you a hand cut off at the wrist. Its not because they thought that was a cool way to punish people, it is allowed for in their religion. That is where I think the problems start to arise, is when we put Islam in the context of western thought. We are talking apples and oranges. Like mata was saying, if they are playing by our rules, there isn’t much we should or could say.
@Liam: Keep in mind that I am talking about the Islam religion, not the people. Just like the wars we have fought, the problem wasn’t the people we were fighting, it was their leaders. The people were taught to believe a certain way from birth.
I liked two or three documentaries where our military personnel were brought together with the ones they were fighting and where they were fighting. It was very friendly and a lot of tears were shed on both sides. No grudges were held against either side.
I have said for many years that if someone is going to join a religion, make sure it teaches to be a good person, then be the best (fill in the blank) you can be.
This has nothing to do with religion, but one pet peeve I have is when people shorten my handle. How would you feel if I called you “Li?” I used to be in sales and learned very quickly that the name someone uses is the one they want used.
We have gotten way off the topic, so I will end now.
On a side note: is it too late to put helen thomas on the next ‘relief’ ship heading to Gaza?
Wordsmith – Ref#111 – bin Laden and Zawahiri would have been dead more than a few years ago had the our military not been made to fight these ragheads with one hand tied behind their back. ROEs suck. This conflict is more politically correct than any I’ve seen in my lifetime. As for helping the indigenous peoples of Iraq and Afganistan; we’re playing one side against the other to achieve our goals. We should not be in the nation building business, but the killing our enemies business. Then we should pack up and leave. If there is collateral damage, hey its war. You do what has to be done to win the battle and protect our forces first. When we leave, Iraq will go back to civil war and Afganistan will revert back to the 5th century. Hearts and minds cannot be won in the Islamic world until there is a rewrite of the Koran that is compatable with the rest of the world. Until that happens Islam is an enemy to all so called infadels. That be all beliefs other than Islam.
@ Liam
Why you gotta go and dump on Catholics? What did we do?
I think Wordsmith is getting the short end of the stick here, although he seems to be holding his own. I would have agreed with the majority of folks here several months ago. I had been rather upset that the American Muslim community has sat on their hands while radical Islam has held the stage front and center. But it seems that lately, more and more American and moderate Muslims are starting to speak out.
There is this:
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/an-american-muslim-speaks-out-against-ground-zero-mosque/blog-331019/
and this:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704025304575284721280274694.html
this:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-05-08-husain07_ST_N.htm
and the list goes on. You get the point.
Oh yeah, this is a must read, the Jews are going to have their own Flotilla party to Turkey. How can you not love those guys. When God handed out Huevos, He gave them the extra large, brass set:
http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177789
@Smorgasbord: i apologize for shortening the name. And yes people call me Li or Lee.. I could care less, but that doesn’t mean you don’t.
@Aqua: lol, sorry Aqua – not dumping on Catholics at all. The catholic church has more of a government-centric structure that dictates many things. Not saying that Catholics are unable to think for themselves (some of the smartest people i know are catholic). If the Pope dictates or decrees something, you would be hard pressed to not see the majority of the diocese not abiding. That has gone for really bad popes, and really good ones. That was one of Luther’s issues with the church – it wasn’t (at that time) easily accessible by laymen. In my area the catholic churches that i have attended still seem to have this feeling. That by no means that every catholic (thus, why i said ‘in my area’). Sorry for the poor explanation, and please accept my apology.
@ Liam
Accepted.
I didn’t think you intended to dump on Catholics, just checking.
I take the edicts from the Vatican very seriously, but I make my own decisions. Even as Catholics, we are encouraged to find our own road through Christ. Priests, Bishops, Cardinals and even the Pope are just our guides.
Back to the Flotilla; has anyone read the story in the Jerusalem Post yet?
@Minuteman26: Many times I have asked how many “innocent civilians” is one soldier’s life worth? In other words, when a choice has to be made whether to bomb an area or send in the troops, give me a number of “innocent civilians” it would take for the military to feel it is worth to let a soldier die. How many of those “innocent civilians” actually are the enemy.
Every war I know about had more civilian casualties than military. I look at it this way: We save more “innocent civilian” lives by getting a war over with as soon as possible than are lost in the battles.
SMORGASBORD: that is very smart way to figure it. bye
@Romeo13, INRE your hopes that SIOA/Gellar would go the Kelo/eminent domain route, it appears you will get your wish.
Gellar states in her Human Events op-ed today that her anti-mosque grassroots creation intends to sue the government, demanding they evoke eminent domain and declare the Burlingame Coat Factory a “war memorial”.
This may put the kabosh on both sides of the argument… or not. Gellar’s hyperbole remains as strident as ever, and is as equally insensitive as the mosque plans themselves.
I wonder if Ms. Gellar has ever been asked if it would have been okay if a Christian church or Jewish temple had acquired the building for similar purposes? And I also wonder if the several hundred of those “good and decent Americans”, who were Muslim victims of the jihadist attack, would object as strenuously as Ms. Gellar to the raising of a church or temple on the site?
Guess we’ll never know.
So perhaps the middle ground is for government to step in, seize control, and stop the political battle being waged. This path certainly feeds the big Zero’s favorite solution – government being the answer to all things.
Personally I doubt such a decision will yield such a sage ruler as Solomon. The WTC memorial and the Flight 93 memorials are all fraught with continuing political battles and questionable decisions…. of which this blog is filled. Considering the method of government acquisition, if successful, Gellar and ilk may find their next protests are INRE the design, and perhaps a token plaque of thanks for a Muslim “donation” that happens in lieu of eviction.
Because, for Gellar, I’m sad to say this is not about that building or that site. It’s about Islam and Muslims. This is abundantly clear with her chosen name for her grassroots organization… “Stop the Islamization of America”. Will her followers now go to every new proposed mosque to carry out that goal?
Smorgasbord – I tend to agree with you. One other point though, many of those so call “innocent civilians” aren’t really that innocent.
@MataHarley
Darm, I was hoping they would use the Tax base arguement… so we could get a good Religious Freedom vs. Em Domain argument going… LOL…
Of course, I’m still trying to figure out why churches don’t pay property tax in most places… kinda flys in the face of Equal Protection, and Seperation issues… but thats another argument.