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Iraqi Women Break Barriers, Waitress at Coffee Shop

Believing in the right of women to change the character of Iraqi society, and with the decline of Islamist violence in the country, an Iraqi woman and journalist, Hind al-Bedairi, opened the first coffee shop in Baghdad with only female wait staff.

The coffee shop is open to families but also to single men, provided they maintain proper rules of etiquette. That means that if a man flirts with a waitress he is asked quietly to leave the coffee shop and not to return again.

Some clients have called the coffee shop “the empire of women.”

What was he thinking? The Middle East will never be free, never have Democracy. Women will always be subjugated to the medieval Arab thinking.

Right?

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😀 . Totally awesome. I especially like the part that they the men who flirt are ‘asked quietly to leave the coffee shop and not to return again’. How civil can you get? Really great. Thanks for the story.

CURT:hi, I think thoses womans have a lots of gutts,but they also should let the customers flirt as long as they dont loose their manners;otherwise it look more like giving back to the mans what they got from them, 🙄 bye

I don’t know, bees. I think those women have been through so much in years past that for them to even be polite enough to be quiet about their request for respect by their male patrons is a huge leap of maturity (and healing) on these women’s part. But, that’s my opinion, and not knowing exactly the circumstances of the “flirting” and all that entails, it’s hard to say and is speculation mostly.

The Waitress nazi

NO Waitresses for you! Get out!

Iraq was one of only 3 countries to publicly state support for Iran’s rights for a nuclear program. .http://dalje.com/en-world/syria-lebanon-iraq-back-iran-nuclear-programme/302397
Iraq’s christians are still afraid to return home, about 50% of Iraqi christians an out of 1.5 million can not return to their country but remain as refugees without working papers. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gaBIDkC55cYbitlWJaOQBbFQFRaQ
Iraq is falling into the sphere of influence if Iran with whom a majority of its people have similar religious views. The religious parties are suppressing the right’s of women not encouraging them
http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2010/03/201031965344341860.html
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/02/25/iraq-s-2010-national-elections
5000 American dead, 25,000 maimed Americans and 1-2 trillion dollars is far too high a price to pay for some women to open a coffee shop .
The Iraqi election was over 2 months ago but no government has yet to be formed form those results. The 2 largest parties each received about 1/3 of the vote. Muqtada al Sadr’s party came in 3rd with about 1/6 of the vote. Whichever of the two lead vote getting parties HE CHOOSES will become the new government of Iraq.
Please explain to me how putting a government into Iraq that is allied to Iran was in the best long term interests of the USA. I consider the long term interests of my country to be more important than a woman owned/run coffee shop.

Oh yes, john ryan…. it was *much* better for Iraqis, Iraqi women and the US with Saddam at the helm…. /sarc

I love the courage of those women!

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I love the courage of the Iraqis!

I love the courage of people when they are free to choose for themselves.

You’re right John. We should have sat around and watched Saddam’s son’s rape at will. It was sooooo much better then. You might also check to see who’s now leading in the count? (Hint: He ain’t a religious nut)

As the father of a daughter, you, fucking, suck.

Maybe you could tell us all the price you think freedom-per-person should cost. I say it’s one trillion per person. You now claim it’s less than 4 million. But then again, you suck, and think that an Iraqi life is worth less than an American life.

Racist.

How much would you sue somebody for, for killing your wife or child?…A million? 10 million? 100 million? Now multiply whatever number you come up with by the 32.000 per year killed for the 30 some-odd years Saddam was in power.

Ignorant asshole.

Just to make clear for John, I mean 32 thousand, not 32. (Persons killed by Saddam per year.)

On Wednesday in Iraq Muqtada al Sadr announced that he had decided to support the more religious and more Iranian leaning of the 2 highest vote getting parties. Muqtada thus became the kingmaker in Iraq. ParVann you sound like you have been drinking the cool aid that the liberals drank. Do you believe that it is the responsibility of the USA to make the world a better place ? Or is that the responsibility of those in their own countries ? TThe biggest stench of death comes from the DR of Congo Should we invade there to make the world a better place ? I say that our troops should die only for the national security of our own country, NOT so that women can open a coffee shop. And certainly not so that Muqtada Sadr can decide on the new governemnt of Iraq. As for Saddan’s 30 years in power and the million people he killed more than half of that occurred when he was our ally and friend remember that the USA supported him when he was fighting the Iranians. What other countries are you in favor of invading to make them better ? Burma ? Cpngo ? Cuba ? Sudan ? Somalia ? Russia ? We invaded Iraq because Bush told us they had WMD, the people of the USA would have impeached him immediately if his best explanation was that it would be so that women could open a coffee shop. The biggest losers in Iraq were the 1.5 million christians who now number about 50% of that number because they have all fled to other (islamic) countries. The biggest winner (other than the coffee shop women) were the Iranians we got rid of their biggest enemy AND now gave them their best friend.

Rival Iraq Shi’ite Blocs Agree to Form Govt

As for leading in the count you are right BUT not by much and now Mookie has thrown his seats into the party that is most idlamic fundamentalist. So looks like that part of your argument just turned into a BIG ZERO HINT this was predicted by most people.
IF?WHEN Mookie does make the choice and cooses the governemnt that is most pro Iranian would you say that this would be offset by the coffee shop ? I will not.

Sadr has little or no power in Iraq right now. He is hunted by many and is likely to end up martar Sadr, What you missed John Ryan is that democracy is starting to be exercised from the grass roots. The people will no longer stand for a Saddam any more. As far as the Christians, Iraq has never been a safe place for them other than the Kurdish area. Maybe you should take a trip to Iraq and see things first hand.

Nice to see John Ryan begin to actually engage in debate rather than drive-by comments…

@John ryan:

5000 American dead, 25,000 maimed Americans and 1-2 trillion dollars is far too high a price to pay for some women to open a coffee shop .

and

I consider the long term interests of my country to be more important than a woman owned/run coffee shop.

If you truly are for the long term interests, then you should cease with the short term comparisons to the sacrifices made. I’m frankly amazed at what we’ve managed to accomplish in just 7 yrs amidst all the nay-saying drumbeat and cheerleading, and amidst an insurgency. If we had let you and “the war is lost” Democrats have their way, all those sacrifices would indeed have been made in vain.

This is a process; one that will take generations to “fix”. But at the least the process has begun. And if Iraq does transform itself, then a lot of future generations will have George W. Bush to thank for it.

@John ryan:

As for Saddan’s 30 years in power and the million people he killed more than half of that occurred when he was our ally and friend remember that the USA supported him when he was fighting the Iranians.

And if Jimmy Carter had supported the Shah- our deeply pro-American ally, we would not have found ourselves in the unenviable position of supporting Saddam (which was in a far more limited capacity than you lefties have spun it out to have been), just as we accepted Stalin as an ally against a common threat of the times.

What other countries are you in favor of invading to make them better ? Burma ? Cpngo ? Cuba ? Sudan ? Somalia ? Russia ?

The comparisons are flawed because the situations for each are completely different than the case for invading Iraq.

I agree that our troops should be used only when it is of national security interests to do so. We disagree on whether or not Iraq fit that bill.

We invaded Iraq because Bush told us they had WMD, the people of the USA would have impeached him immediately if his best explanation was that it would be so that women could open a coffee shop.

You’re such an idiot, John. No offense.

@John Ryan…You are an idiot, I am sorry but that is just the truth. To say that Iraq is no better off than before we ousted Saddam is ignorance of the highest level.

I suppose that the rape squads Saddam and his sons sent around was better for those women than opening a stupid coffee shop, huh?

@wordsmith: Nice to see John Ryan begin to actually engage in debate rather than drive-by comments…

yeah… now if someone could just teach him the meaning of a paragraph. Makes it easier to view the same ol’ lying talking points.

Yo.. john ryan. Why don’t you go pull up the AUMF, and tell us how many “whereas” clauses are in there?

This is a HUGE giant step for a female to open a coffee shop. The women that follow will be standing on her shoulders, it is an amazing achievement. Thank you GWB!

Gee, I have always enjoyed the comment section here and I come here daily. I have to say I looked foward to the comments regarding Presidents Bush’s percieved failure, (by some), in Iraq. Then I see John Ryans response and I think well he has a point. I don’t necessarily agree but it was not the usual lib/progressive regurgitation of some talking point. Then to my disgust I see folks I consider to be on my side of the ailse resort to the “you suck a..hole” meme. Please guys………that is what “they” do not us…right?

Then I read further and I see mR. Ryan do just that, (regurgitate the no WMD response, which is totally untrue), and I can see where the hostility could come from, but still, we don’t need to resort to blatant name calling…usually.

@BKeen:

I don’t necessarily agree but it was not the usual lib/progressive regurgitation of some talking point.

Which exactly weren’t the usual “regurgitation of some talking point”?

Then to my disgust I see folks I consider to be on my side of the ailse resort to the “you suck a..hole” meme. Please guys………that is what “they” do not us…right?

If you’re actually honest about being a regular reader of the comments section, then you must be familiar with John Ryan’s history? And that every talking point he just brought up has been hammered out in previous comments sections, ad nauseam? I’m out of patience with someone who should know better, to carry the conversation to the next level beyond the “regurgitated talking points” on wmd, allying with Saddam, etc.

@BKeen:

Then I read further and I see mR. Ryan do just that, (regurgitate the no WMD response, which is totally untrue), and I can see where the hostility could come from, but still, we don’t need to resort to blatant name calling…usually.

Ok, this part wasn’t edited in there until after I made my comment.

I didn’t name-call. (Where’s the smiley with the halo? 😉 )

Funny, how I edited my response before your comment there Word, but now that I think about it, he, Mr. Ryan is a regular “regurgitator” and I take my “high horse” atttitude back. Screw him, (sorry John).

Sorry AGAIN! I am new to comment here, so I will try and utilize the expression tools made available in the future. Carry on. ➡

@BKeen:

Welcome BKeen….

Glad to have you step up to the keyboard and begin speaking.

Please stay out of the shadows in the future, eh?

HI,BKEEN;i might say that WORDSMITH has a keen eyes to spot any fault,like it’s BUSH’fault and others; 🙄 bye

@BKeen:

Funny, how I edited my response before your comment there Word,

Did I err and simply miss that last paragraph? Apologies if I did (was in a hurry at the moment).

It just floors me that JRyan can’t see the idiocy in this line of arguing:

We invaded Iraq because Bush told us they had WMD, the people of the USA would have impeached him immediately if his best explanation was that it would be so that women could open a coffee shop.

Yeah, and we also were justified in invasion and sacrifices of blood and treasure so that soldiers can pass out candy, soccer balls, pencils, and beanie babies. 🙄

In late April of 2003, we were stationed at LSA ANACONDA near Balad Iraq. We had been eating MREs since Feb. Our small group of Civil Affairs Soldiers went into Al Dujayl to find some local produce to supplement our MREs. One of our soldiers was a young blonde in her early 20s. Typical of our organization, rank was not as important as the knowledge we brought to the war. This young lady spied a small water melon and proceeded to negotiate the price with the vendor.

Also at the produce cart was a young Arab woman with most of her face covered as is the custom in this town. As our soldier negotiated the price for the melon, this Arab woman couldn’t take her eyes off our female soldier. I could see her take in every movement and expression. None of us spoke Arabic and the Iraqis didn’t speak English. We over paid for the melon and a young Arab woman saw what could be.

The success in Iraq is not likely to be seen until those kids we not only provided school supplies, candy, soccer balls and stuffed animals mature. See, we soldiers provided an example of how people from a free nation lived. We shared stories. We discussed how to be free, every person had personal responsibilities to fellow citizens and to our country. We discussed the importance of our vote in determining the direction of our country. We laughed with the Iraqis when an action movie actor actually became governor of California. We were not afraid to make mistakes with the iraqis, but they forgave these mistakes because they could see we wanted the best for them. Every soldier had personal contact with the Iraqi people, especially the young ones. They will determine the success of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Of further note, did anyone here remember the tons of yellow cake that our government found in Iraq that was part of Sddam’s WMD program? Does anyone remember that we paid the Canadians to transport the radioactive materials out of Iraq? Also, Al Dujayl was the town that was the site of the massacre for which Saddam was finally executed.

Word up ❗ Flloors me too. I still do not understand the continued demonization of President Bush, contrary to facts compared to the worship of president Obama and the lack thereof.

@Randy Fritz:

Thank you, Randy, for your perspective on how, by your example ( and those in the US military), you showed the Iraqis a different way of life through stories, instruction, and just being an individual who has experienced freedom! I haven’t heard it said quite that way before, and it makes total sense. And, it blesses me tremendously to hear that you all did that, and thank you so much for all you’ve done personally in your service there. Makes me even more thankful for the freedoms I have.

Echoing SoCal Chris‘s sentiments in thanking you for your service and sharing your perspective.

thanking you for your service and sharing your perspective.

As a Government contractor who is surrounded by patriots such as yourself, I too publicly thank you.

@Randy Fritz:

I also want to chime in here and thank you for your service, sacrifice and committment to our great country, you are the reason we enjoy so much. BTW, I really like hearing positive recollections about the Iraqis from people that personally experienced it. Thank you for sharing.

My nephew was one of Saddam’s guards and after the execution he guarded the nasty people captured in Iraq during their interrogations. When he finally got home he had a very negative attitude, not having the opportunity to experience the good people. Over the past couple of years his heart has softened and for that I am greatful.

Blessings to those Iraqi women for taking some big steps.

Missy,
One of the soldiers who mobilized to Iraq with us had been a LT in the Iraqi Army during the Iraq-Iran war. He described how wonderful Iraq was in the early 1980s. After being in Iraq for a few months, he was so upset with the major welfare state that Iraq had become. It seemed that Saddams efforts to pit everyone against his neighbor worked so well.

Our interface with the rural Iraqis and some of the Baghdad Iraqis was exciting. We saw them change with each meeting. Your nephew did not have the experience of meeting a wide variety of people while in Iraq. You are right. He only saw the wrong side of Iraq.

I get emails nearly every day from Iraqis I met during my 3 years there. They ask about my sons and my life. I told them they would not do well in Colorado. It is difficult learning to ski in a man-dress! They always laugh. There were some days when I would get in a very serious discussion with some of the village elders. When they were least expecting it, I would throw them a curve. I told them that things were very different in the US. I told them that we actually put our table cloths on our tables instead of on our head. They enjoy a good laugh. They remember us and will not let Iraq slip back into a dictatorship again.

I don’t understand why people refuse to see that ridding Iraq of Saddam was necessary. When you think of all the children that were brought into the world under his reign and the fear they lived with, those on the left are fond of using children when they want to push an issue.

Not only did you gain trust and friendship, you are able to give us a peek into the sense of humor shared by you and your friends from afar. I used to watch videos posted on milblogs with our troops and Iraqis hamming it up, maybe you were in one of them, lol.

My daughter and son-in-law are in the Steamboat area, I used to go out there several times a year, seen lots of foreigners out there to ski but none in man-dresses. How would they be able to get the goggles on with those turbans? I’m getting quite a crazy visual of Iraqis flying down the slope running through my head right now, they might be able to do ice hockey. 😉

MISSY:hi,there we go again,flying IRAKs?it look very funny,like flying coyotees; 🙄 bye

and everything is just great now in Iraq why Sharia law is even enshrined in Article 2 of the new Constitution of Iraq. Oh and maybe these girls will get a Dunkin Donuts franchise http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/05/04/iraq.women.prisons/index.html?hpt=

The seeds have been planted in Iraq. Now if we can just keep the dogs from urinating on the new plants as they grow!

@John ryan:

No more mass graves or rape rooms. I saw them. Sharia was Their choice. Ever been to the middle east?

The barbarity and fear are not as great as under Saddam. The next generation of Iraqis will write
another chapter while fools like You point fingers.

Randy saw some of that evolution. I was in on the opening rounds of OIF. We were not Liberators
but we were enabled an Iraq after Saddam. Freedom is not Free but I don’t think that you would understand that notion.

Thanks for your Service Randy!

OLD TROOPER:hi SIR,i think that the militarys,when they come back from warzone have a diffrent look at life more than the one who never serve,is nt it? 🙄 bye

BKEEN:hi, if i understand your comment wel,i think it’s very nice of you to give priority to patriots on your contract teams,they diserve the best, 🙄 bye

In 2012 Fox News Exit Polls Obama and Romney split the vet vote BUT teh younger vets those who went to iraq and Afghanistan went for Obama, the older vets went for Romney.