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21 Apr
Bill Clinton & Dems Ramp Up Hate Speech Directed at Tea Partiers
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Wednesday, April 21st, 2010 at 11:11 am | 406 views
As an Oklahoman, I know quite well that McVeigh was not a right-winger. He was attacking the federal government in retailiation for Clinton’s attacks on the Branch Davidians. He was making a statement about the federal government killing women and children with TANKS on private property for absolutely no reason at all. They were not breaking laws. They were not theatening anyone. So Clinton caused the Oklahoma city bombing because he killed women and children in a religious compound for almost no reason.
Now he is trying to create hatred against the Tea Party movement by painting them as dangerous. They aren’t nearly as dangerous as Clinton was when he was busy killing innocent civilians because he didn’t like them. Now he sends his SEIU goons out instead of the FBI to beat down on his political opponents. I guess that is an improvement.
McVeigh was angry with Clinton for having the FBI first blow off the arm of 14 year old Sammy Weaver and then shoot him in the back. They then shot Randy Weaver in in the arm when he went to visit his dead son’s body and finally blew Vicki Weaver’s head off while she was holding their baby.
Then when Clinton and Reno torched Waco and fried 85 men women and children McVeigh came unglued.
McVeigh was anti-government.
Tea Partiers love their country and the government. They don’t like this regime.
Booth
Oswald
Siran-Siran
wait, Bush isn’t President anymore … nevermind …
What bothers me most… the leftists have set the discourse and diverted us all from the real issues at hand.
All of the spin coming out of the Dems is an attempt to demoralize the majority mainstream conservatives (part of which is the TEA party movement.) They (the Dems) know they are in deep trouble from polling, and are putting on the happy face thinking it will keep conservatives from watching and voting. They know they have lost the house, and are just trying to minimize losses.
Clinton is smarter than Obama, but it sure wasn’t very smart to open the Pandora’s box of Waco again. Details are coming out that people did not know about at the time that paint Clinton’s involvement in a much darker light. He is pooping on his own legacy. Impeached, disbarred, and he still does not know when to stay silent.
@Donald Bly: I wrote about the Grand Distraction in March:
http://mikesamerica.blogspot.com/2010/03/big-lie-and-grand-distraction-how-dems.html
You’re right… Bill Clinton, Obama, Reid, Pelosi and the rest of the coven would rather have us talk about violence and racism than health care, cap and tax, seizure of GM and Chrysler, etc. etc….
But their strategy is NOT working. Voters blame DEMOCRATS for any violence more than Republicans and the opposition to health care continues to grow.
And let’s not forget that Pew poll, which I will soon give it’s own post, which shows all time and growing distrust of Obama.
Having said that, we cannot ignore their increasingly desperate and transparent ploys to hoodwink the shrinking fraction of the American people who haven’t figured out what racebaiting, violence inciting liars Democrats are.
They have used these tactics many times before, remember ‘swift boat vets’ and ‘the minuteman border security group’. The left is allowed to get away with this because most people rely on the MSM to give them the relevant facts and the MSM doesn’t mind committing fraud to push their agenda.
I really have to add this to the fray INRE Clinton, his culpability in the OK City bombing by his orders INRE Waco… *the* trigger for McVeigh acting out his lunacy. And no, as POTUS he cannot lay that off on Reno alone, as he’s been doing since the event.
But here’s the ironic capper…. the Oklahoma City National Memorial and Museum has decided to bestow upon Clinton their sixth annual Reflections of Hope Award for “…his work in helping Oklahoma City transform following the bombing and for his international peace work during his presidency and over the past decade.”
I swear… ya can’t make this crap up. Has all sanity exited the planet???
As for FBI’s Mueller, mimicking Clinton with the same outrageous charges, he too has been tossed into the scumbag bin by me.
Always good to get guidance from a class guy like Slick Willie!
I swear… ya can’t make this crap up. Has all sanity exited the planet???
The same people will award Osama Bin Laden the New York Reflection of Hope Award.
DRJOHN;hi, you know,people have limmit in life,some can take more,but some can take quite a lot, but,when they see somebody doing something that they cannot agree with,well i can say for myself ;i actualy exploded,some years back ,when a person was beating on the knees a horse,that did not even belong to him;i got that stick and start beating as strong as i could on him;the other had to hold me;it was than,i realise we have limits and since then i always new not to get to there;anybody could have kill the person; bye
Steve, even if that’s true, how is that possibly a justification? He murdered innocent people, many children included, who had nothing to do with what happened at Branch Davidian. The only “statement” he made is that he’s a sick coward and a terrorist who deserves to rot in hell. Your inference that the Oklahoma City bombing was somehow justified is obscene and your reasoning that Clinton “caused” the bombing is, frankly, idiotic.
@Donald Bly: No they haven’t
Mata, did McVeigh respond logically to what happened at Waco, or did he act in “lunacy”? If McVeigh was indeed a lunatic, how could Clinton be “culpable” for his actions?
Two points, Tom
1: If Clinton is to attempt to hold anyone “responsible” or culpable for setting off the “right wing extremism”, he needs to acknowledge Waco. To do so implicates his own seriously flawed judgement. And whether *anyone* reacted to Waco or not, he should have been held culpable for the deaths of US citizens. He never has, and to this day blames it all on Reno exclusively.
And since the entire subject of this post is Clinton, pointing the finger at “anti-government” dissent as a trigger for domestic violence, examining the logic and inaccuracy of his charge is fully in order.
2: There is no excuse for McVeigh’s lunacy and insanity. However this in no way lets Clinton off the hook for the very event that McVeigh uses as his inspiration.
Clinton.. and Reno… are long overdue for their penance for Waco. Oh wait…. I forget… Clinton’s being “honored”. How sick is that? Apparently history as reality is a lost art, and revisionist history based on Presidential popularity is all the rage.
Otherwise, you apparently forgot what a noun is in a sentence… i.e. my exact verbiage: “… add this to the fray INRE Clinton, his culpability in the OK City bombing …”. The noun and subject of the sentence is Clinton and his [Clinton's] culpability in the OK City bombing.
Any of the above should clarify my comment.
Mata,
I understand that the post is mainly about Clinton and I’m confident you can muster a very persuasive argument about his connection to Waco. My main concern, however, is in how these two distinct events are being conflated, when the only real connection is McVeigh. More specifically, the only real connection is McVeigh’s claim during his defense that one led to the other. So when Mike uses the word “avenge” and you use the word “inspiration” in reference to the OC bombing and Waco, you’re both imbuing that action with the same causality claimed by McVeigh. But is this claim rational? Look where the claim originated. Look at what happened in OC. Why give credence to McVeigh’s defense that OC was somehow a rational and proportionate response for Waco. Wouldn’t claiming that the action is somehow mitigated by the cause be heading straight into the murky moral relativism that Conservatives hate?
MATA:hi, i wonder if we remember also a bit more about thoses americans living in waco;they surely have storys to tell;i must rephrase “they surely HAD”:will we ever knowthe truth; bye
more of them?what made them lived on a every day basic,what was their hope for their children’s future;and more of it;did that journalist mention of it?,since it was so connected to the uncontroled anger of THIMOTY MCVEIGH:I am sure the AMERICANS would have been eager to learn,the why the who the when and the how’s,from a serious journalist aiming at telling all the truth to all the people; bye 
@Tom said: “Why give credence to McVeigh’s defense that OC was somehow a rational and proportionate response for Waco.”
I don’t know how you could possibly suggest that we somehow wish to in any way, shape, manner or form condone, excuse or otherwise rationalize the Oklahoma City bombing.
McVeigh may very well have rationalized the attack in his own mind and sought vengeance. But that that doesn’t in any way take away the enormity of the crime or his guilt in it.
Hitler rationalized the Holocaust but that we don’t give him “credence” by mentioning his thought process.
The subject here is how Bill Clinton is using the tragedy to advance a political agenda. Let’s not get off on an irrelevant and untenable tangent.
Not to change the subject, but I read about how big BERTHA LEWIS says that the Tea Party people are “a bowel movement”. Just wanted to say in public to big BERTHA that:
‘Tis better to be the bowel movement rather than the bowel CONTENTS! Pelosi, Obama, Reid, big Bertha, both Clintons, ACORN and others are the BOWEL CONTENTS (or aka sh*t). Bowel movements tent to push out the bowel contents. Let’s do it.
@Tom, what @Mike’s America said.
He pretty much covered my response in toto.
But I think you and many miss the entire reason that both Mike and I have posted on this. As I told john ryan on another thread, what’s particularly insidious is this isn’t a citizen on citizen violence, crime or act of terror. This is the WH administration government officials, naming, alluding to, and focusing on citizens because of their political beliefs. It is this type of thrust to control behavior of citizens that led to the unacceptable violence perpetrated by Clinton’s and Reno’s government assault on citizens at Waco. (And Bush 41 can’t take any pride in the way his FBI handled Ruby Ridge either.)
Let me repeat that… when Clinton, Napolitano and Mueller all get before the camera and paint those who do not agree with O’admin policies as potential terrorists, this is the force and power of the highest elected offices, bearing down on citizens because of opposing political beliefs. This is a government who is deliberately inciting the nation to fear other citizens that don’t share their beliefs
Anyone from any side of the political aisle with a lick of sense should get the willies listening to this crap. Maybe you can make up excuses to justify this type of bully pulpit action, designed to incite fear and hatred in one group of citizens for another, because you’re one who doesn’t like the targeted citizens. And will you feel the same way if this style of governing becomes the norm, and that focus and bully pulpit turns to you?
Mike and Mata,
Fair enough. Thank you.
Mike, I understand you feel that I’m repeatedly taking your posts off-topic, but can i just point out that I was responding to a comment made by another poster. If that person isn’t being told that he/she is going off-topic, how would i know I am? Should i just change my name to “Off-Topic”?
I’d like to add, in the spirit of fairness, that you have always allowed my comments to post un-vetted, which is a courtesy I’m learning not every author here has extended to me.
TOM: you better read what you quoted there. I never ever ‘justified’ anything McVeigh did. But I did point out he has nothing to do with the Tea Party. He was not a ‘right-winger’. You on the left are desperate to paint the Tea Party as a mob of McVeighs and it isn’t true. Not even remotely likely.
But I understand you have your talking points and you must twist the words of others to fit the needs of your masters.
I don’t know that you were off-topic in response. It’s certainly fair game to posit that if Clinton is going to use Oklahoma City and McVeigh as an example of the dangers of the dissent via tea party or others not in lockstep with this admin, then he must also acknowledge that it was McVeigh himself who cited Waco as his tipping point.
Where you went off was attempting to get any of us to state we felt McVeigh was justified for the bombing because of Waco. That was never going to happen since no one here would ever validate McVeigh’s actions. However it was Clinton, himself, along with Napolitano and Mueller, who framed the argument for quelling public voices around OK City, conveniently editig out inconvenient facts in that story.
Now there’s an interesting observation. I checked your comment history. Doesn’t appear to be a history of censorship. You’ve made 62 comments, and only one was deleted. Oddly enough by Mike, himself, on his authored thread. Generally, unless something is so obviously over the top, we all leave it to individuals to moderate their own posts.
So what was that about courtesy we other authors don’t extend to you again?
@Tom: I have deleted a few of your comments, usually in your best interest.
I have a variable tolerance for topic tangents. At the moment, I’m not too concerned. As long as you understand that the subject here is Bill Clinton’s use of the O.C. tragedy and not Timothy McVeigh.
It’s becoming quite transparent that whenever Dems find themselves in a corner they cry “Wolf” in some form or other to try and change the subject. This is what Clinton is doing and what certain member of the Cong. Black Caucus did at the time of the Health Care vote.
But the tactic isn’t working the way it used to. You can’t go around calling average, law abiding decent Americans racists and prone to violence and expect them to believe it about themselves. That’s why the Pew Poll shows an all time low in trust in government.
I plan a post on that topic soon. And you can feel free to try and divert the reader’s attention (within limits).
Steve, when you wrote that McVeigh was making a “statement” against the Federal Government, that was what i took issue with. It’s possible that I’ve completely misread your post, but I don’t consider OC a political statement. I think that’s giving what happened a veneer of sanity that I don’t think it deserves. That opens the door to people saying, “Well, he went too far, but I agree with the statement he was making”. I really wasn’t wasn’t commenting on your assertion that Tea Party members are being compared to him.
Mata, I wanted to make a point of acknowledging Mike’s fairness in letting me post considering the runs in we’ve had. I was contrasting this with the experience I’ve had on another author’s post that seemed odd because of the amount of time it was taking for my comments to appear (hours) concurent to posting comments on Mike’s threads where comments appeared instantaneously. If I have jumped to the wrong conclusion, my apologies to that author.
Tom, INRE your comments taking time to appear…
If someone put you in the moderation “time out” filter, then one of us has to bail you out. I can’t speak for anyone but myself, but I never sent to you the moderation corner. On other occasions, everyone finds themselves in the spam filter where, again, one of us has to be logged in and bail out those caught there. Those that have “reader posts” appear do not have that power to moderate or edit.
INRE your comment to Steve about a OC being a statement, it’s really not important whether you, Steve or anyone doesn’t view that as either a statement or justifiable. What was important, and pertinent to Teflon Bill’s attempt to use OC to quash dissent, is that McVeigh felt it was a political statement. That doesn’t constitute endorsement of his dementia by any of us. It is merely reinterating the facts as that piece of human garbage viewed them.
Clinton should be talking to the democrats and ask THEM to condemn violence and ask their members to refrain from it and the filthy language they use.
I created a protest sign that covers the subject of violence and I hope to wear it at a protest. It shows a B-52 dropping “H.U.N. bombs” (Hear Us Now) on the Whitehouse and congress. The “H.U.N. bomb” is ballots being dropped. The sign says, “BOMB CONGRESS (the other sign says OBAMA) WITH THE H.U.N. BOMB (Hear Us Now BALLOT).” “THE ONLY VIOLENCE YOU WILL SEE FROM THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT IS WHEN WE DROP H.U.N. BOMBS ON LIBERALS. HEAR US NOW, OR AT YOUR NEXT ELECTION!!” I have a picture of the Whitehouse on one sign and congress on the other sign with H.U.N. bomb ballots falling on them. On the Whitehouse picture there is a sign that says, “SOON TO BE EVICTED” and the picture of congress has a sign that says, “SOON TO HAVE HUNDREDS OF EVICTIONS.”
I have been to most of the protests in Washington DC and hope to show those signs some time soon. Let’s drop the H.U.N bomb ballot on as many liberal politicians as we can across the country.