Whoa boy! Here is Congressman Phil Hare from Illinois: (h/t Ace)
Questioner: [regarding obamacare] Where in the Constitution?
Congressman Phil Hare: I don’t worry about the Constitution to be honest with you
Questioner: Jackpot brother!
Congressman Phil Hare: Oh, you know what I care more about, I care more about the people who are dying everyday who don’t have healthcare.
Questioner: You care more about that than the US Constitution?
Congressman Phil Hare: I believe it says we have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Audience Member: That’s the Declaration of Independence
Congressman Phil Hare: That doesn’t matter to me! Either one….
@BRob…You can’t have it both ways.
“Personally, I think we should not be forced to buy health insurance. ”
Here you are against the mandate.
“And that is also why the mandate is constitutional”
And here you are for it. What a complete mess of ill-logic that flows from your mind. You attempt to make a Constitutional argument for the mandate based upon the general welfare clause. What a joke.
In a letter to Rev. Frederick Besley, James Madison wrote in respect to the general welfare wording in the Constitution:
“ With respect to the words “general welfare,” I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators. ”
You obviously are not a Constitutional lawyer, so don’t quit your day job – if you even have one.
You also said:
“I fail to see why so called conservative cannot grasp the concept that government should not intrude in these kinds of life or death decisions. (It is why y’all got the Terri Sciavo situation wrong, too.)”
Where do I even start?? First of all, it is Terri Schiavo. Good God man, get it right and show the poor deceased woman the respect she deserves. It takes what, 2 seconds to google her name and make sure the spelling is correct?
Secondly, you purport that the Conservatives, – or ‘cons’ as you are so fond of typing (I am guessing it is because four letters are easier for you to type and words like Schiavo give you trouble) but to my point, you claim we ‘cons’ got it wrong. Well that is such a specific statement. I will have to assume you mean that the Republicans advocated to step in and save that woman’s life and should have stayed out of it. You are either woefully misinformed or just plain disingenuous.
What really happened is that a very, very deceptive poll was used during that case to advocate the far left’s favorite cause, killing an innocent person. After a Florida judge ordered her to be starved to death because of lies her adulterous husband told, relating a story that she had supposedly said as much after watching a TV show decades earlier. ABC is the entity behind this awful poll which they used to claim that the vast majority of Americans wanted Schiavo to die. The question said:
“Schiavo suffered brain damage and has been on life support for fifteen years. Doctors say she has no consciousness and her condition is irreversible. Her husband and her parents disagree about whether she would have wanted to be kept alive. Florida courts have sided with the husband and her feeding tube was removed on Friday. What’s your opinion on this case-do you support or oppose the decision to remove Schiavo’s feeding tube?”
She wasn’t on “life support” any more than a toddler is on life support because he needs help being fed. It wasn’t true she had no “consciousness,” and her condition was not “irreversible.” That was merely what the doctors paid for by her lying, adulterous husband stated, as opposed to what other doctors reported, such as the ones produced by her parents, who wanted her to live. It also was not true that the question being raised was whether to keep her on life support. SHE WASN’T ON LIFE SUPPORT. The fact of the matter was that the Florida courts had not even sided with the husband, only one lone judge. The other courts found they did not have the authority to overturn the one judge’s decision who ordered her to die. So the ABC poll that was filled with lies, obtained the answer the liberals were fishing for. 63% supported removing Terri Schiavo’s feeding tube based on the falsehoods presented in the question and 28% were opposed.
A follow up ABC poll asked whether it was “appropriate or inappropriate for Congress to get involved in this way?” To this question, 70% said “inappropriate” and 27% said “appropriate.”
But a Zogby poll stayed away from the rhetoric and asked this question:
“If a disabled person is not terminally ill, not in a coma, and not being kept alive on life support, and they have no written directive, should or should they not be denied food and water?”
Not surprisingly, the Zogby poll found that 79% of respondents said the patient should not be denied food and water; with only NINE PERCENT saying the ought to get no food or water.
So with the lie filled ABC poll leading the way, the liberal media seized upon this as a way to attack Republicans and Conservatives. The Los Angeles Slimes said, “Democrats are preparing to link the Republican move against the filibusters with Washington’s last-minute effort to require additional judicial review in the Schiavo case—a step polls showed was opposed by a large majority of Americans.”
Let me remind you, BRob…the Democrats were trying to stop those evil Republicans from, GASP!!! – not forcing Schiavo to be given food and water, but to ask for more judicial review of the case. Oh those horrible GOP monsters!
As for abortion, you are just an ignoramus that thinks he is an intellectual. You purport that the Government stay out of the abortion issue, yet you expect that same Government to sit by and allow that baby to be murdered. Talk about being two faced. Who advocates for that unborn baby, BRob? You talk of the risks of pregnancy, well did not the woman assume those risks when she got pregnant in the first place? Why do you far left nut jobs think it is okay for some women to use abortion as retroactive birth control?
You also accused me of making Constitutional arguments about abortion. I did no such thing. I made, and continue to make arguments against abortion based upon humanitarian reasoning and responsible thought.
You sir, (and I use that term very loosely) are simply talking to hear yourself jabber. You make no valid points and your arguments tend to ping pong from one side to the other of whatever topic you are ‘debating.’
BRob run along, the grown-ups are trying to have a meaningful debate here. Go find some other blog that needs a resident troll.
Pay no heed to ButtRub. He’s just another rep from the Ministry of Information and Propaganda with no compunction for the life of an unborn infant, but will run to defend some moronic athlete who has fathered 8 children with 8 different women. Scum. All of them.
Don Bly –
You seem to grow less and less intelligent each day. I am reminded of “Flowers for Algernon.” I think I will call you Charley Bly, from now on! You wrote: “I simply addressed when the rights of citizenship would be bestowed. A very simple concept….” You numbskull, I asked you a simple question: does the zygote get human rights on implantation or at fertilization? If you don’t understand the legal ramifications, then you are too “un-bright” to be trusted with the TV remote, nonetheless influencing policy.
As far as the “Lone Wolf” proposal, Charley, it is intended to smoke out the gravy train riders . . . you know the people who like all the government benefits but refuse to pay their fair share. Like these teabaggers noted here:
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/hartmann-what-happens-when-you-show-tea-pa
My Lone Wolf plan says “You don’t want high taxes? Fine. You also don’t get the benes.” I fail to understand what is so “unfair” about that, as you and Ryan imply. But then I remember: the cons are the party of the free lunch! They want the benes, without the taxes to pay for them! Its just like the Magic Tax Cut Fairie, who the cons predict will come sprinking dollars so that you ca increase spending and cut revenues to, and voila, no deficits!
Ryan –
By bringing in the Nazis, you authomatically lose the argument. Godwin’s Law, dude. Thanks for trying, though.
And you make no sense, to boot. You wrote: “Actually, many socialists said the same thing in defense of their ideas.” Which socialist countries offered people an opt out? Name them! My utopia wold be rather simple: people who want to have safety net pay for it and get one; the rest . . . no soup for you! Why is this “wrong” or “unfair”? In fact, I think it makes more sense that the Randian Paul Ryan plan, where .
In fact, why don’t we have that as part of the GOP “repeal and replace” campaign: people are not “mandated” to get insurance. If you want insurance, you pay a tax and can get a subsidy for your and your family. But if you don’t have insurance, or have cash on the barrelhead, you don’t get health care. It would put all those teabaggers in a “put up or shut up” position, as oppose to what they want now, which is health care at no cost to them.
Madalyn –
You are simply not a very honest person. I did not “make it sound like every pregnancy is almost guaranteed to cause death or serious injury to the woman.” What I said was that death and serious injury are part and parcel with childbearing. This is a fact that cannot be disputed; ask any doctor. And because of the risks, I believe that the person bearing the risks is the only person who should be calling the shots . . . because it is her life and her reproductive future that are at risk . . . not mine or yours or Newt Gingrich’s.
You also wrote: “God forbid any more women make the mistake of getting pregnant. They could wind up dead acccording to your calculations.” This is, in fact, statistically true: with every pregnancy, there is a risk that the woman may not make it out alive. Because childbearing is no frigging joke. I know this the hard way, as does any Ob/gynecologist who has been around long enough. You can put you head in the samd about the risks if you wish; won’t change reality, though.
“It’s like I said before, abortion is MURDER!!!” That is your opinion and I assume you have lived your life based on that belief. Does not give you or anyone else the right to force any other person to bear the risks that I laid out above. I know your moral argument would be “cleaner” if there were no concommittent risks from pregnancy, but there are. Which is why it should be none of your friggin business whether a woman has an abortion or not. Don’t believe in abortion? Good. Don’t have one.
“You literally make me sick!” Mad, the feeling is mutual . . . your reflexive ignorance in the face of fact, your inability to reason and use any judgment, your childish resort to emotion . . . all very tiring.
anticrocks –
My cats could understand that you don’t delete the middle part of an argument, then declare that it makes no sense. Why not try dealing with what I ACTUALLY SAID instead of resorting to creative editing?
I said: if hospitals are forced to take all comers, we need a mandate to keep the hospitals and the public from GOING FLAT BROKE PROVIDING HEALTH CARE TO FREELOADERS WHO REFUSE TO GET INSURANCE BUT STILL INSIST ON GETTING HEALTH CARE. This is common sense, but cons don’t seem to grasp common sense any more. Instead, for some reason, the party of “personal responsibility” now wished to be the party of the gravy train. Not “Don’t tread on me” as much as “Free Lunch.” But I don’t want it to continue. That does not make me an “intellectual” or a socialist; but it does make you cons a bunch of slackers and enablers. Again: the mandate idea was put forth by the Heritage Foundation, then adopted by Mitt Romney. But Obama adopts the same thing and all of a sudden everythis is Hitler and Dachau.
I mean, seriously, if ten years ago, I told you that someone would pass a law to induce people to be financial responsibility and not pass their debts on to the general public, would you think that the GOP would be in LOCK STEP OPPOSITION? Especially since it was their idea in the first place?
You cons have totally lost it.
Cons, this guy explains exactly how I feel. I was a GOPer from 2000 until 2008. Something went dreadfully wrong in the party, though, and I had to leave. This guy, who is much older than I am, puts it perfectly.
* * * * *
“How the GOP purged me”
http://www.frumforum.com/how-the-gop-purged-me
I am an old Republican. I am religious, yet not a fanatic. I am a free-marketer; yet, I believe in the role of the government as a fair evenhanded referee. I am socially conservative; yet, I believe that my lesbian niece and my gay grandchild should have the full protection of the law and live as free Americans enjoying every aspect of our society with no prejudices and/or restrictions. Nowadays, my political and socio-economic profile would make me a Marxist, not a Republican.
I grew up in an era where William F. Buckley fought the John Birch society and kicked them out of the Republican Party. I grew up with -– in fact voted for the first time for –- Eisenhower. In 1956, he ran a campaign of dignity. A campaign that acknowledged that there are certain projects better suited to be handled by the government. See, business thinks in the short term, as he said. That’s the imperative of the marketplace. I invest and I expect that in a few quarters, I garner the fruits of my investment. Government, on the other hand, has the luxury to wait a few years, maybe decades, for a return on a given investment. As a former businessman, I know that first hand. Am I a Marxist for thinking that?
I witnessed the fight for equal civil rights in the 1960s. And as a proud American, I applauded the passage of the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act, and we became a better country because of them. Those acts made America stronger. Those acts, at their core, represented and still represent all the values upon which the Republican Party was founded. Yet today, our GOP representatives and leaders are ashamed of them. When they talk about them, you feel their discomfort, their clumsiness, and sometimes their shame. That awkwardness is so strong that it crosses the television screen and hits you in the face in your living room. Why is that? What happened to this generation of Republicans? We are the party of Abraham Lincoln, and yet we act and behave as if we are the party of Nathan Bedford Forrest.
I did not like Medicaid and Medicare when they were passed. I was opposed to them. Maybe I was too young, too strong, and too ideologically confined. Yet, over the years, I saw how Medicare helped millions of elderly Americans. I saw how Medicare helped my mom in her final years battling emphysema caused by years of smoking. You have to be blind to oppose those programs. You have to be blind to wish for the suffering of millions of Americans just because you believe in personal responsibility.
As a businessman, I was torn between my bottom line and providing health coverage for my employees. I knew that if I provided them with that coverage, their productivity increases. I did my best, but the riptide of the health insurance market defeated me. And with a heavy heart, I offered them gimmicky coverages that, deep down, I knew did not provide a comprehensive and adequate coverage, but it was the only coverage I could afford.
I voted for Nixon and for Reagan. Although I did not like the deficit spending of the Reagan administration, I blamed it on and rationalized it by the necessities of fighting the Cold War. I liked Reagan — who didn’t? Even my Democrat and liberal friends liked and respected him. I voted for Clinton, twice. I thought he was the best Republican president since Ike. No, I did not make a mistake. Bill Clinton was closer ideologically to Eisenhower and Nixon than Bush I and II could ever be. I thought that Clinton practiced and articulated true Republican ideology in his fiscal discipline, job creation, smart tax cuts, and foreign policy better than anyone since Ike.
Then something happened in the 1990s. The leaders of the GOP grew belligerent. They became too religious, almost zealots. They became intolerant. They began searching for purity in Republican thought and doctrine. Ideology blinded them. I continued to vote Republican, but with a certain unease. Deep down I knew that a schism happened between the modern Republican Party and the one I grew up with. During the fight over the impeachment of President Clinton, the ugly face of the Republican Party was brought to the surface. Empty rhetoric, ideological intolerance, vengeance, and religious zealotry became the common currency. Suddenly, if you are pro-choice, you could not be a Republican. If you are for smart and sensible taxes to balance out the budget, you could not be a Republican. If you are pro-civil rights, you could not be a Republican.
It started with minorities: they left the party. Then women; they divorced the GOP and sent it to sleep on the couch. Then, the young folks; they left and are leaving the Republican Party in droves. Then, someone stood up and told my niece and my grandchild that they are not fully Americans — just second class Americans because they are homosexual. They wished hell and damnation upon my loved ones just because they are different. Are we led by priests or are we led by rational politicians? Now, we have became the party of the Old Straight White Folks. We should rename the Republican Party the OSWF rather than the GOP.
Recently, since the election of Barack Obama, common sense has left the Republican Party completely. We are in the era of craziness. As David Frum has written, a deal was there to be made over the healthcare bill. Instead, this ideological purity blinded the GOP. As LBJ said it, instead of being inside the tent pissing out, we choose to be outside the tent, pissing against the wind. And we got splashed by our own nonsense. Why did we do that? Well, when a political party shrinks its electoral based to below 30% and is composed by one demographic group, all that is left are a bunch of zealots. We shrank it by kicking out of the party those who believe that abortion should be legal but limited. We shrank it by kicking out those who believe that an $11 trillion economy, like ours, needs a strong government, not a government that can be drowned in a bathtub. We shrank it when we sanctified Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck, and canonized Sarah Palin. These are the leaders of my party nowadays. How did we go from William F. Buckley to Glenn Beck? How did we go from Eisenhower and Nixon to Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann? I do not know. What I do know, however, is that these leaders remind of me of the leaders of the Whig Party. And if they continue on their nonsense, they will bring the collapse of the GOP.
I do not recognize myself in the Republican Party anymore. As someone said it before, I did not leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me. I have the same ideological positions on most of the issues that I had when I voted for Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan and George W. Bush in 2000. However, I just cannot trust the reins of our government and nation, of this formidably complicated and complex gigantic machine that is the USA, to the amateurish leadership of the Republican Party.
We are living through tough times. We are being challenged like I have never seen America being challenged before. China is a formidable foe, and it is out there competing against us on every field and beating us on several fronts. While our education budgets are being slashed in every state across the nation, China is doubling and tripling theirs. These are the challenges and challengers that we are facing. And we need our best and brightest to lead us, not a half-term governor or radio/TV talking heads.
Maybe I am too old and too cynical, but I think the Republican party is in the last stages of agony. If nothing happens, we might win an election or even two, but in the long run we will lose America.
Anybody believe for one second that ButtRub has ever been a Republican?
-Thought not.
But oh to be able to have that “opt-out” form of his! I already live that way, and am punished everyday for it by Fascists like him! How long do you’all think it will take before his group needs to borrow our money?
Keep arguing with the strawmen there BRob, they are your speed.
@B-Rob the Liar, Waster of Air and Time
So sorry… I only got to the second sentence of your diatribe before my eyes glazed over. You’ll have to forgive me for not reading the balance although I noticed that you did accomplish a lot of keystrokes…. amazing what monkeys can do now days.
By the way… how’s that socialist utopian co-op working out for ya… did you get lots of people to sign on?
@BRob…You expect me to think that you hold up a rant by a so-called Republican that held Nixon in high regard as a leader of the GOP?? You evidently know nothing about Conservatives.
“These are the leaders of my party nowadays. How did we go from William F. Buckley to Glenn Beck? How did we go from Eisenhower and Nixon to Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann?”
I would have Palin as President ANY day over Barack Milhous Obama. We get to thank Nixon for the EPA and a plethera of other ‘alphabet’ agencies. At least Palin would reign in spending, cut taxes and shrink the government. Her record speaks for itself as a city council member, a Mayor and a Governor. The fact that you bash Palin shows you for the liberal nut job you are.
You further said:
“I mean, seriously, if ten years ago, I told you that someone would pass a law to induce people to be financial responsibility and not pass their debts on to the general public…
And how does Obamacare do that? By squeezing out the private insurance companies so that EVERYONE has to be on the government dole?
You just can’t handle the fact that in one comment posting you went from one side of the argument (anti-mandate) to the other (pro-mandate). LOL Spin it all you want, your lack of logic speaks volumes.
Even though it pains me to quote your ranting again, I must in order to ask you a question and make a point.
“Instead, for some reason, the party of “personal responsibility” now wished to be the party of the gravy train. Not “Don’t tread on me” as much as “Free Lunch.” But I don’t want it to continue. That does not make me an “intellectual” or a socialist; but it does make you cons a bunch of slackers and enablers. Again: the mandate idea was put forth by the Heritage Foundation…”
Please provide proof that it was the The Heritage Foundation that “put forth the idea” of the mandate for individual American citizens to purchase a private product as a condition of citizenship. I challenge you to show proof. The Heritage Foundation is a CONSERVATIVE think tank. You have proven over and over that you do not understand us ‘cons.’ If you did, you would understand that Conservatives do not want MORE government in our lives, we want less.
That is my question to you, show proof. The point I wish to make is that you say the GOP/Republicans/’cons’ are against health care reform because we want to be the party of the “gravy train.” Whatever the hell that means. Last time I looked, as a Conservative (and damned proud of it) I receive no checks from trip and fall lawyers due to my position for or against ANY Obama policy. Sometimes you say really stupid things.
We Conservatives are in favor of health care reform – portability, tort reform, high risk pools for pre existing conditions, clamping down on medical fraud, etc…
Sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are a fool, rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt. I just really like that old saying when dealing with marxists like yourself, BRob.
Anticsrocks said:
“She wasn’t on “life support” any more than a toddler is on life support because he needs help being fed. It wasn’t true she had no “consciousness,” and her condition was not “irreversible.” That was merely what the doctors paid for by her lying, adulterous husband stated, as opposed to what other doctors reported, such as the ones produced by her parents, who wanted her to live”.
Ummm yeah her condition was irreversible. The autopsy proved that. See below:
Schiavo Autopsy Released
Brain Damage ‘Was Irreversible’
By David Brown and Shailagh Murray
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, June 16, 2005
Terri Schiavo suffered severe, irreversible brain damage that left that organ discolored and scarred, shriveled to half its normal size, and damaged in nearly all its regions, including the one responsible for vision, according to an autopsy report released yesterday.
Although the meticulous postmortem examination could not determine the mental state of the Florida woman, who died March 31 after a judicial and legislative battle over her “right to die,” it did establish the permanence of her physical condition.
Schiavo’s brain damage “was irreversible . . . no amount of treatment or rehabilitation would have reversed” it, said Jon R. Thogmartin, the pathologist in Florida’s sixth judicial district who performed the autopsy and announced his findings at a news conference in Largo, Fla.
You must have missed that.
Ron H.
@Ron H….I cannot even fathom why you would be happy about that. “You must have missed that.” Gloating over the death of an innocent woman, how nice.
I won’t even bother pointing out the flaws in your argument, I will let Michelle Malkin do it for me:
@anticsrocks:
So what if her condition was irreversible, she had family wanting to love and care for her. Wonder if Ron H. feels we should do away with babies born with irreversible brain damage because the parents might not want the trouble and expense of raising them.
More on the autopsy:
http://www.blogsforterri.com/archives/2005/06/physician_who_e.php
MISSY i beleive the dr HAMMERFAHR, many quick diagnostic are made,,my sister after an operation could not speak and they said it was irreversable, i did not beleive it,i felt strongly that it was fluids stuck in her throat,,i start to push her to speak every day for a month and she end up speaking,she along the month time would choke and the fluids would be expelled a bit at the time until it cleared, if i would have listen,it would have stayed all her life,this is to reenforce the doctor HAMMERFAHR result of the possibility TERRY could have even not fully but improve,,bye
her own family where right to hope because they most loved her and we must never under estimate thet power of healing
My my my. You two are seriously not right in the head.
Wow. I love the knee jerk reactions from Anticsrocks and Missy. I merely pointed out some incorrect information based on a Washington Post article confirming her condition (although you present an interesting counter point Anticsrocks) was irreversible and the two of you insult me with some rather ludicrous and childish remarks.
Let’s recap what Anticsrocks had to say:
“I cannot even fathom why you would be happy about that. “You must have missed that.” Gloating over the death of an innocent woman, how nice”.
Okay since obviously you are a complete moron so let’s clear something up. I simply stated:
“You must have missed that”
So I’ll see if I can explain simple English to you since you are obviously incapable of basic comprehension you jerk off! My statement meant that you must not have seen that information or you must not be aware of the existence of such information. Do you get it now idiot? Do I need to explain it again prick?
Somehow in that twisted little pee brain of yours you come up with “I’m gloating”. Wow you are some piece of work. I thing your response says a lot about how you mind works or rather doesn’t work. Quite frankly Anticsrocks you are pathetic and irrational nutcase. I’ve been reading this website religiously and I very seldom comment. But if I feel someone is misrepresenting information, I will certainly point it out.
Again you are way off base with what you said and I don’t appreciate you accusing me of gloating. You insult me, make false accusations and completely mischaracterize what I said! I don’t much appreciate that you little prick! You can go jump off a cliff and rid of us your vile presence! Are you feeling me Anticsrocks? Can I make it any clearer for you idiot!
And Missy really? Really with this stupid comment:
“So what if her condition was irreversible, she had family wanting to love and care for her. Wonder if Ron H. feels we should do away with babies born with irreversible brain damage because the parents might not want the trouble and expense of raising them”.
Yeah you’re right I hate brain dead babies, and I also hate kittens, rainbows, cripples, elderly people, the handicap, the blind and the mentally challenged. Wow it’s amazing how you were able to discern my feelings about brain dead babies by me saying “You must have missed that.” I used to think you were a rational commenter but now you got me wondering about you. Be careful, you’re teetering on the edge of insanity. Your buddy Anticsrocks is already a lost cause but you still have a chance. Just look for the light because it will lead you out of the dark abyss where you’ve been storing your reasoning abilities.
I realize that Anticsrocks is just one giant dumbass but I expect more from you. How disappointing.
Oh and a challenge for you two geniuses. Please go back and point out to me where my posting of an article about her autopsy in any way suggests or even expresses my opinion about the Terry Schiavo case. Please you two legends of your own minds show me how merely posting an article that happened to counter Anticsrocks assertion that her condition was irreversible in any way expresses how I feel about Terry Schiavo or her family. Guess what? You can’t because you both just reached up into your arses and pulled out whatever crappy assumptions (pun intended) you needed to help quell the screaming and gnashing of teeth that occurs inside your brains when presented with opinions or facts that counter your own. Wow is the need to be right so overwhelming for you two that you have to start making false assertions. Oh wait Anticsrocks, I forgot basic reading comprehension alludes you. False assertions are made up shit! Got that?
I hope my little diatribe cleared up what my statement actually meant. And next time you two geniuses decide to post a bunch of bullshit, take and second and ask yourself, “Am I making any sense at all or am I just being an irrational and childish dumbass?’ You won’t come across like a couple of loonies if ya do.
Got it, get it, good.
Ron H.
@Ron H.:
I apologize Ron, went back to your comment, reread it, please forgive. It was simple enough to understand, don’t know why I fumbled so badly, may have been too early or my flu meds, just didn’t understand what I was reading and don’t know why. Sorry again.
PS. I know you really, really unloaded on me, didn’t bother to read it all, first couple of sentences were quite enough.
Oh a quick correction as I know Missy is a stickler for details. Or rather she used to be.
She said :
“babies born with irreversible brain damage”
And I quoted her as saying “Brain dead babies” which of course isn’t the same thing. You see I like to correct mistakes rather than make stuff up!
Ron H.
Please, do not notify me anymore.
Missy
It’s okay. Your comments weren’t as bad as Anticsrocks actually. I just felt really attacked. But apology accepted. And for the record I do really feel for the Schiavo family as well as Terri. But I was torn about her predicament. On the one hand I believe in the sanctity of life, on the other hand I would not personally want to live the rest of my life in that state. In fact I have a living will giving my family permission to pull the plug if I should ever wind up in her state. I often wondered what poor Terri was feeling or thinking. Did she want to go on like that or end her suffering? It’s a hard topic to tackle.
Besides, she’s with God now, and that is far better than the state she was in.
Sorry I unloaded Missy. I get REALLY defensive when I’m attacked.
We’re cool. No hard feelings.
Take Care
Ron H.
T Holmes:
Are you talking to me?
Ron H.
@Ron
I think Mr. Holmes left the “Notify me when new comments are added” box checked and is now wondering why he’s recieved several dozen seemingly-unwanted e-mails.
T Holmes, there is a link at the bottom of the email that is sent to you to unsubscribe. Click it.
RON H,you have to whatch your burst of anger,it is not normal in this situation where no one insult you and don’t have to take it so it is dangerous for your future and present sanity,,further more,
,i hear and heard many peoples who said ,,if they are to become in a vulnerable situation that they want to end life,,well when it happen if it happen it’s known that all of them change their mind and hope that their loved one help them,bye
@Ron H….I too apologize. Your “diatribe” showed that you have thin skin. I mean calling me on the carpet about my gloating is one thing, but to call me name after name without ME calling you on it is quite another.
I wait for your apology for over-reacting.
BTW, in the future you might want to be a bit more clear on what you post and why.
Ummmm ilovebeeswarzone:
Apparently you didn’t even read my entire post. I was insulted. Here is the what Anticsrocks said again that was so insulting to me:
“I cannot even fathom why you would be happy about that. “You must have missed that.” Gloating over the death of an innocent woman, how nice”.
Now if you honestly can see that Anticsrocks is suggesting that I am happy about Terri’s death as well as that I am “gloating”, then you aren’t paying attention.
Missy has since apologized so I have no quarrel with her as I know she is one of the most reasoned commentators on here.
By the way I noticed your comments have some slightly broken English usage. I’m assuming that this means English isn’t your first language. This might be why you didn’t understand the insult thrown my way.
Where are you from? I’m just curious.
Ron H.
Hey Anticsrocks:
I don’t have a thin skin, I just believe in fighting back hard when someone takes a verbal swing at me. I wasn’t even angry when I wrote that believe it or not. And you have a valid point that I came at you quite hard with the name calling. I do apologize for that. I’m just the type a guy who when attacked, will come at you twice as hard. It’s just my way.
If a guy pulls a knife, I’ll pull a gun. If a guy pulls a gun, I’ll pull a bozooka! You know the saying.
And I will be clearer in what I am posting next time if you agree that rather than attacking me first, you’ll just ask me what I meant first.
Okay so everything is good in the FA universe.
Take Care
There has been an excellent point illustrated by our FA faithful, we need to be extremely careful how we express ourselves and in our comprehension: if people from the same side of an argument can get into a cyber knock down drag out over a simple point that was misconstrued at some point, and I don’t care where, think how careful we need to be with people from the opposite end of the political spectrum. Seriously, to quote a ballerina, “We don’t want to let a crisis go to waste”, a politically witless comment; however the Dems are near a crisis melt down situation. Many Obama voters will be reaching out for an alternative, and frankly, logical discussion and argument will attract more people than harsh accusation and name calling. Remember this was a simple point being discussed by two people on the same side of a question. We will hopefully have people from across the aisle wander around our site for the next six months with ideas that may sound like an antithesis of logic; but these people are not going to set up camp like our resident trolls, they will be searching. Offering a logical alternative will sway some of them, slinging manure will drive them back to the enemy perimeter.
PS- I have been found guilty on both counts, expression and comprehension.
Long Live the Republic!
RON H hi to tell you where i come from,,i was born in MONTREAL city of la belle province de as they call it on every cars licences QUEBEC …fotgive my miss and errors in english language,but i am doing my comments directly from my hearth and soul not from dictionary that is yelling at me to open it,,bye
hi SKOOKUM ..all you said is absolutly very important to be reminded from time to times ,,thank you…how come you’r not with the horses at this time,did you take off? or just miss us too much,,bye
Bees, I enjoy your company; but no, I don’t take time off to commune with my cyber friends. I am self employed, I go out when and where I have calls. A few years ago, I worked seven days a week and it would take 3 to 4 months for an appointment. Now many of my wealthiest customers have gone broke or nearly so, thus my work has become intermittent, that is the nature of business. Thus when I am at my keyboard, you know that Skookum is losing money. I should have retired years ago; but a divorce and the quest to strike the mother lode has kept me teetering on the edge of being bankrupt for several years. I am not looking for a shoulder to cry on; but you asked. While the political climate and the worsening economic situation adds to my frustration: FA with freedom loving people like yourself restore my faith and soothe my troubled heart.
Oh, I’m not sure why you use “roll” as a suffix at the end of your posts; but I like it and smile inside when I see the word. It was a polite way to show respect in the Martial Arts Dojos, I used to work out in, when you asked someone to spar with you, you would say, “Do you want to roll?”- but a more important significance is the passengers who fought for control of the hijacked plane over PA said, “Let’s Roll!” just before the turned on the high jackers. I think this phrase will become like “Remember The Alamo”, “Remember The Maine”, and “Gung Ho” and many other phrases that reflect bravery in America. Saying it reflects the honor and respect you have for these men who gave it their all and stopped another worse potential disaster on 9/11.
Let’s Roll!
SKOOKUM the firs time i read ..let’s roll.. it was from your comments,i learn so much from you and sometimes i will use thoses words in my comments ..every business get a rough time is in it
bye
hopefully the trend will change as we trying to have it change in the near future,,
@Ron H…I accept your apology and yes, I agree that I should have asked for clarification. Again, I apologize for painting you with a broad brush and expecting the worst from your comment. In all fairness, that last part where you said I must have missed that did seem as if you were intimating that I lied about Ms. Schiavo or that you were at the very least gloating that you were right about her possible brain damage.
Again, my apologies for doing to you what I detest in those folks on the left.
@Skookum…point taken, I agree with you.
ANTICSROCKS,,you have a special place in my box
bye
Anyone that loves bees is okay in my book!
BRob,
How are we given an opportunity to “opt out?” You make it sound like the recently past legislations and political stances of our president are lenient. This idea is nothing short of laughable just like most of the comments you have written ever since you came to this blog. Since when is making it law to punish those who don’t purchase health care coverage considered giving us an option? Of course it’s not and it never will, it only is in your fantasies. Other socialists in history did not give their people any means to “opt out,” neither do the ones in this country, which many people from all political parties are coming to their senses and beginning to realize.
(things are looking up I guess!)
As far as my failure to make an argument worthy of your ignorance is concerned, you really need to look at your own comment to spot your superfluously circular logic. You call your vision a utopia, yet it involves impoverishing the people who you disagree with politically. How is this vision a fair representation of a utopia?
So the person in your vision who pays higher taxes gets full coverage for education and health care. Well what if this person is obese and smokes heavily leading to a compromised; cardio-respiratory system, immune system, and nervous system? Considering the health problems this person subjected his or herself to, he or she probably has medical bills that are astronomical in quantification and so do the millions of other people in this society.
Therefore, even with higher taxes, statistically these people will still need the financial help from the people you deem as “lone wolves,” or the people who would prefer lower taxes but get nothing because they disagree with the almighty creator of this pseudo-utopia known as BRob, in order to pay for their medical situation because the higher taxes aren’t enough. Still, the “lone wolves” (your words, not mine) who are working hard and still thriving despite being alone with the exception of themselves (liberals, conservatives, moderates, etc.), gets nothing?
This does not sound like a utopia, since in a utopia no one will be a part of an elite that gets a higher allocation of resources like the ones in your vision. Your vision presents a society whose moral and political flaws will eventually lead to a bloody uprising in retribution for its abuses, quiet the contrary to what defines a utopia or a politically and morally perfect society. Thus, in conclusion, you’re silly rant is an invalid argument because your thinking (or lack thereof) is completely flawed. Although nobody needs to point out the asininity of your logic since this lack of veracity is entirely obvious to everyone who comes across your commentary here.
@Ryan
B-Rob the Liar, Waster of Air and Time, Believer in Unicorns, has no faith that his utopian society can exist without extorting from those that don’t believe in his unicorns. If he did believe that this utopia was possible, it is fully within the realm of current law for these like minded individuals to form a cooperative where they self-fund their dream. They don’t pursue such an endeavor because they know full well that it is a bankrupt proposition.
You really make it appear so easy with your presentation but I to find this matter to be really something that I feel I’d never understand. It sort of feels too complex and very huge for me. I’m having a look ahead for your subsequent put up, I will attempt to get the hold of it!