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Voters Will Remember Who Voted Yes on This Bill!
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I am wondering how low the stock market will go tomorrow if it passes…Glad I no longer own any.
-People tend not to forget when dramatic hits to their portfolio’s happen too.
You guys are giving up too fats. According to The Hill at 2:20 eastern today the dems are short votes and have NO deal with Stupak.
It is nakedly apparent that they do not have the votes and are trying to intimidate the House members into voting yes when they simply do not have the votes.
See:
“Unless a deal is struck with Stupak, the dems appear to be short on votes”
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/88129-democrats-dont-appear-to-have-216-hours-before-a-healthcare-vote
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Stupak-is-still-a-firm-no-88766737.html
Patvann Fyi The DOW,NASDAQ and S@P 500 all up over 35% since Obama elected in Nov. 2008 The market loves Obama,and has anticipated this passage so i wouldn’t expect any major sell off. Best RJW
@Gil: Not so much giving up but a last and final warning to DEFEAT ANYONE WHO VOTES FOR THIS BILL!
@rich wheeler: The Dow Jones is still nearly 4,000 points below the Bush high shortly before Dems triggered the financial collapse time bomb they put together at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
The Stock Market has recovered in part because so many Democrats have joined with Republicans to block the Marxist in Chief.
Just imagine how high the market will go when we get rid of the socialists once and for all!
rich wheeler, why wouldn’t the stock market be up after the taxpayers… operating both under the Fed Reserve and Treasury… have provided ample opportunities to use risk free money?
When you next try to portray Obama as a man of the “people”, you will need to remember that you said “the market”… aka Wall Street… “loves” Obama. Thus it’s absurd for him to slam Wall Street, pharamaceuticals, unions and insurance as some sort of populist via language alone. He parks his WH limo right on Wall Street.
The stock market isn’t a single entity. You may have “sell offs” in certain industries, and “buy ins” into others based on policy and the money flow. Which is why the financial institutions made out like bandits on the taxpayer’s dime over the past year. The final number is compiled, and means nothing… save to the fools.
@Mike, Gil and Patvann
I am not including Mr. Wheeler because he obviously is an Obama drone who cannot and will not think for himself.
Regardless of whether this bill passes or fails, many voters are intelligent enough to understand that even many of the Nay votes are due solely to one or two issues with the bill, and that if not for those particular issues(think Stupak and the dem anti-abortion funding bloc) that they would vote for the bill. My point is that they are behind governmental takeover of healthcare as well, and therefore, should be remembered negatively as well.
Former CBO Director gives the REAL Deficit from Obama Care:
Removing the unrealistic annual Medicare savings ($463 billion) and the stolen annual revenues from Social Security and long-term care insurance ($123 billion), and adding in the annual spending that so far is not accounted for ($114 billion) quickly generates additional deficits of $562 billion in the first 10 years. And the nation would be on the hook for two more entitlement programs rapidly expanding as far as the eye can see.
And lets not forget the wholesale printing of currency which means that whatever the DOW index is at currently it does not take into account the devaluation of the currency in which the market is valued. Convert the market to gold and do a check… it’s pretty disheartening.
M.H. You love to throw that fools around don’t you. I merely responded to Patvann that the 3 major market indexes are up substantially under this administration.You can make of that what you will.I’d quote Jim Rome SCOREBOARD.
rich wheeler, if you’re getting your “scoreboard” news from Jim Rome, the sportscaster, no wonder you’re so in the dark. If you had said David Asman from America’s Nightly Scoreboard on Fox Business News, you might have a shred of credibility.
Suggest you read Mish’s Global Economic Trend Analysis, and Seeking Alpha about the stock market as a leading indicator.
INRE “fool”… well, if the Nike fits….
@Rich
If that’s your source, then you will need a telescope to get a glimpse of how far above you I am in relation to your market-knowledge. Sorry, but you’re out of your league.
Sorry Mike, the reality is I told you that your phone-call scam was a waste of time.
And I was correct.
Your ideas = Socialist victory
My ideas= offers of hope over socialism.
Continue with your phone calls though. Next stop, immigration reform.
I don’t understand you Mike
For once open your eyes.
Unknowing isn’t your strong point.
Can you understand this?
Knowledge will set you free Mike.
You need to see the socialist for what they are.
Only when we lose, in the end, will you get it.
Understand, these aren’t Americans, they are communists.
M.H and Pat.You guys take everything so seriously.Lighten up.Obviously I wasn’t using sportscaster Rome (scoreboard) as a source for market numbers you can’t dispute.Pat I was a stockbroker for many years and relish your challenge.
As far as “fools” look no further than your teabaggers who descended on D.C. this weekend and shouted the”n” word en masse at 68+ Rep.John Lewis(D.GA.) who had heard it before in Selma and Montgomery in 1960′s from similar red neck trailer trash. To his credit he disregarded them.
Rich
It seems very easy for you to lie about the protesters in DC, (There is video proof that they and you and Huffington are all liars)
Seems awfully suspicious that you backtracked so quickly about the market comment. If you were a broker, you would have stated so, and used known metrics to support your posit.
I smell 2 counts bullshit.
Ivan
All we could have done, and all we can do until and election is contact them. Phones are useful for this. You fail to point out an alternative, other than sound kinda nuts.
I do NOT see why you are trashing Mike at all.
Are you ready with your Paulian-militia to descend guns a-blazing? Better find more than the 7 of you.
@Ivan: I’ve worked in many successful (emphasis on SUCCESSFUL) campaigns and in nearly all of them I’ve come across some loon who seems to think he has a better idea.
You want to waste your time on a moronic national strike then by all means be my guest.
But I’ve got better things to do like find and support worthwhile candidates to run for office so we can stop this socialist train wreck.
We don’t need to bother with any more of your self defeating comments on this topic so please don’t bother leaving one as it will be deleted.
Patvann The yelling of the n word and spitting at Lewis are on video and being shown if you’d GET YOUR FACE OUT OF FOX. I didn’t backtrack on anything and I’ve mentioned here before that I was a stockbroker for Merrill Lynch and others from 1970-1981. It’s a fact the three major indices are up approx.35% since Obama’s election.Easy to ck. it out. BTW Scoreboard on House vote
I believe what your smelling is your own bullshit. Semper Fi
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@rich wheeler: You might want to ignore the fact that the Dow is still nearly 4,000 points down since the rise of Obama and the Dems pulling the trigger on the financial collapse but I am not going to let you get away with it.
Think of the Dow WOW we’ll get once we throw the Marxist in Chief out of office!
*Looks at Asian markets* Golly. Down hard. Gee. Howd I know that?
Maybe you could read my first comment again. I said nothing about this years “bubble”, I was musing on tomorrow’s indices. WHICH ARE NOW DOWN!!!!
And maybe you were a broker..But you’re obviously not keeping abreast enough nowadays. Geez, ya didn’t even try to counter me with Friday’s Quad-witching.
I don’t have cable. Can’t see Fox. I haven’t watched TV for over 6 years.
Provide the video, or a link. Cuz the one I have, is uncut from the time the Caucus goes out, till they go in the building No slurs, no spitting.
http://bigjournalism.com/kashiver/2010/03/21/about-those-racial-slurs-real-news-or-media-propaganda/#more-38446
Why they did this was easy to determine. They needed a reason to vilify those who pay the taxes. They had no other reason to take that walk.
You guys can have all the Dems who voted against the bill…that way ALL the losers will be on the same side of the aisle.
@OMG
Thanks!
The DOW is not relevant as any indicator of any kind when Banks are not loaning money to small businesses, layoffs continue, unemployment lingers at record level and only speculators and idiots are using the DOW as a waypoint or milestone.
The Economy on Main Street should have been the focus, not a signature campaign promise on Health Care whose real costs are not yet determined and the “reform” is in question. This has been theater of a Kabuki variety and a waste of time and money. I was informed that this “bill” will compromise TRICARE promises made for both Active Duty Personnel, their Families and Military Retirees and Widows That is both irresponsible and dishonorable.
Social Security, MEDICARE, FANNIE & FREDDIE are in crisis mode and should have received consideration first. This is just cheap politics conducted by clowns that could not run a lemonade stand and break even. The economic illiterates in Congress and the Current Regime may have won a battle today but have not won a war. The temporary resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue may be celebrating but there will be a change in November that can make this business null and void if a Congress can’t fund this scheme that went through the House today. Court challenges re: the 10th Amendment from cash strapped States will invoke the Federal Court System as costs are passed to the States. The trust of the Nation was violated today. It ain’t over by a long shot.
Believe it!
@rich wheeler:
Where’s your proof for that scurrilous accusation?
Where is it?
If the protesters shouted anything of a racial nature at John Lewis, or anyone else, then produce the evidence to support your claim.
rich wheeler – If the N word was used, I want you to post the video that shows it on this site. There were so many video cameras going during this whole time, IF it actually happened, you obviously captured it on video. You either prove it or apologize to the hardworking Americans who are trying to keep our country from being taken over by socialists.
I say – YOU LIE!!
Madalyn
AC and Madalyn At least 3 members of Congress reported they witnessed this,Andrew Carson,Emanuel Cleaver and James Clyburn.John Boehner apologized for Tea Parties actions.If and when we find these Congressmen to be lying I’ll apologize.
Patvann Asian mkts generally mirror previous days (Fri Dow-47) American trading.Last look Dow up 35 today with no selling pressure from Healthcare passage.
My local newspaper just called to inform me that they have accepted my post as a letter to the editor.
I want to encourage all of who who write comments (and even you lurkers) to get in the habit of submitting letters to your local paper. They DO print some of them and we need to put the media on notice that we aren’t going to accept this socialist takeover.
@rich wheeler: You think we believe a bunch of racebaiters?
Again NO VIDEO? Really? With all those cameras humming away???? How can that be?
I saw Sheila Jackson Lee accuse a tea partier of racism for saying her curls were too tight. When did that become a racial slur?
Sorry Rich but you need to retract your statement or provide the proof.
Either that or you will have ZERO credibility here.
And since we already have BLOB filling that ZERO spot, we won’t need you.
@Rich
There is no evidence, and if there was, those Congressmen would have provided it, pressed charges, and made a much bigger stink then they did.. The fact that the Repub leadership overacted with un-needed apologies is a result of their own stupidity. Keep in mind, that Boener (sp) and Steele put the big word: “IF” in front of: “this happened”.
Watch the video, Rich. They got booed. Same as Pelousi.
Unlike so many, I don’t have a problem being wrong with a bad-news guess about the market dropping. In this regard, I hope I’m wrong more often.
Rich can’t prove it because it NEVER happened. Stop trying to smear decent people.
I repeat – “YOU LIE” Now, show me proof that I’m wrong.
Madalyn
Jesse Jackson Jr. held a cell phone in each hand filming the crowd as they passed through the crowd. Since he was a member of that posse, certainly, he must have the incriminating video, are we wondering why he isn’t producing it?
How about the media, shouldn’t they be harassing the Junior until they get their hands on his clips? As if they were slightly interested in the truth of the matter, but, if they let it pass, it will soon be out of the cycle and people will be free to believe what they want. Que evil laugh.
Mike Pat and Mad. Before we go further lets be clear. Are you calling Congressmen Lewis,Clyburn,Cleaver and Carson liars or are you saying something else? Pls clarify
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Rich
I am unequivocally calling them liars. I will also say they set up the situation hoping for a conflict.
Are you reading something else into my statements that I don’t know?
Rich – I am calling YOU a liar! – you are the one who claimed on this site the N word was used. I say prove it or apologize. Don’t try to weasel out by claiming to repeat what someone else said. If you didn’t hear it for yourself at the rally, don’t spread hateful things around. Now, have I made myself clear?
Madalyn
PS – My name is Madalyn. Please refrain from allowing yourself the liberty of changing it to suit you.
@rich wheeler:
So…
Essentially you’re saying that this supposed behavior happened “en masse” and, so far, there’s not a video or audio tape available of the offenses…even though at least two members of the group of Congressional delegation in question were carrying video cameras.
For those keeping score at home “en masse” means “as a group”…the Congressmen allege that it was a “chorus” of voices leveling the insults.
You’re willing to take, at face value, the word of three or four people…without any concrete evidence…without any arrests for the supposed “spitting”.
Yeah.
Talk about guilty before proven innocent….Quite an American principle you espouse there.
Of course, you’re the fella who has exposed himself to be guilty of making unfounded racist accusations. You’re also the fella who is guilty of hurling slurs about.
Pot. Kettle.
Now, back to Saturday’s events. Let me help you out a bit.
Here’s a video of the Congressmen in question walking from one building to another…
Show me where the “slurs” or “spitting” occurred.
Better yet…since there is no way to tell what the audio consists of when the people in question are in the distance…show me where there is any reaction whatsoever from the people who are supposedly being “slurred” or “spit” upon.
If what is being alleged actually happened then there would have been some sort of reaction by those who were being subjected to such treatment.
Until you can show me any of those things, go have yourself a nice, tall glass of STFU because you’re nothing more than a scum of the earth lying liar.
Exit question: Are you willing, able, and ready to condemn Jesse Jackson for taunting the protesters as shown in the video below:
Cleaver is a double-liar. He claimed the Capitol Police made an arrest but he won’t press.
Why won’t he press? Is he that forgiving? No. He’s a goddam liar.
Even though AP is trying to add fuel to the fire, with their unsubstantiated claims and no byline in the article, even they have to admit the lie:
(excuse their misspellings of the word “protesters”)
Fookin pathetic.
Let me just emphasize something Patvann just said.
Here, via AP we get this nugget from the Capitol Police:
People, people, ( I refrain from using the more folksy word ‘Folks’ because of a certain Chicago gangster, who uses it in his down home Negro dialect, when he wants to connect to his base, not necessarily his Harvard base), there are aspects of a culture that become accepted from common usage: Obama’s campaign was run on lies and innuendo, thus the method becomes promulgated as part of the culture, if congressmen lie and use innuendo to attack the opposition, it is now considered as fact; after all, this is the Obamanation, who needs to provide proof?
Lies are expedient, facts confuse issues and agendas; to challenge congressmen is to call them liars: therefore, their lies are the truth, please go back and read 1984. In “The Age of Obama” Lies are Truth, Stupidity is Knowledge.
Isn’t it funny that all these people that claim the spitting, calling of the “N” and “F” words, happened, even tho it shows on video it didn’t happen, they all claim it was at a different time or when the politicians were at a different place. God, I can’t imagine how they can live with themselves. They are just trying to stir up a bunch of crap.
Madalyn
I’ve never read this blog before but really enjoyed this discourse.
I have a liberal acquaintance that said regarding the “motherjones.com” headline “Tea Partiers Heckle Dems With Racist, Homophobic Slurs” the following:
“Pretty much sums up the “Tea Party” movement. I say we give them Texas and kick them out of the union.”
This is what we are fighting against. This “baby and the bath water” approach to liberal government is part and parcel to the issue we are really fighting. Even if a few individuals did perpetrate this foulness, the simple fact remains that our government is not representing the people, and I’m fairly certain there was a document written in 1776 that said that when that happens it’s time to start from scratch.
I care just as much about hurting the feelings of a liberal as they do about hurting mine – which is precisely NOT AT ALL.
Oh, and @Aye Chihuahua, I love that “nice tall glass of STFU” comment, I will be using that regularly!
Rich – Still waiting for the proof – Come on – you made the accusation, now prove it. Time is a-wasting. Get with it. Proof Proof Proof. That is all we are asking for. Until you come up with proof, don’t you EVER DARE denounce anything I say.
Madalyn
PS Rich – in case you are not understanding exactly what is going on here, I am calling you out. Put up or shut up.
RE Jesse High-Jackson…
Keep laughing, asshole, keep laughing.
Mike and Mad Madalyn I believe John Lewis is telling the truth as I also believe he suffered a fractured skull leading a civil rights march in Selma Ala. in 1966. If you think he’s lying that’s your right.Not surprisingly, we disagree.
A.C You continue to show yourself to be a crass SOB but it’s your site and why they pay you the big bucks
Repubs, losers yesterday, will continue to be minority party well into the future.Keep up the fight.I’ve enjoyed the debate. Semper Fi Watch “The Pacific”on HBO
this is not AFGHANISTAN, the GOVERNMENT of UNITED STATES have anger and refuse to listen to the AMERICANS this is the SUPERPOWER of all the world and the people are letting know there anger so you better get out of their way and if you provoke the MASS even with a camera in their faces you find yourself very lucky to get away so easy ,LET IT BE KNOWN.
@rich wheeler: I’m not calling those Dems “liars.”
I am calling them lying racebaiters.
Does that clear things up?
I notice you still haven’t provide one OUNCE of proof to back up your claims yet you keep repeating the lie.
Didn’t I warn you that we already had one discredited lying sack of excrement littering these pages with lies? We don’t need two.
You either provide the proof or you retract the claim.
Simple as that.
P.S. Don’t give me the sob story about Lewis’s fractured skull. Are you saying he’s mentally handicapped and his word can’t be relied upon?
@rich wheeler:
And I believe, in the absence of any evidence, it’s clear that someone is lying here. Especially when you consider that those making the accusations were carrying video cameras...yet no video supporting the claims has been released.
In America, we have the principle of “innocent until proven guilty.”
We’ve got video showing it didn’t happen….Where is your video to show that it did?
Don’t have one you say?
Yeah.
Sucks to be you.
In this age, where video cameras are ever present, especially at an event of this nature, if it’s not on tape it didn’t happen.
You know what’s funny here Rich?
You have, over and over and over again, thrown out some of the most vile, crass slurs there are…yet when someone has the nerve, the cajones, the sheer chutzpa to respond in kind you get indignant.
Why is that?
Can’t you take it?
Pot. Kettle. My friend.
Pot. Kettle.
You’ve repeatedly claimed that you were once an active Marine. What you’ve proven for sure on this thread is that you’re a whiny, sniveling, lying ass wipe who is willing to fall for any template-fitting story that is shoved in your direction.
PS… No, it’s not my site. The site belongs to Curt. I just happen to enjoy the unique priviledge of being one of his authors and no one pays me a dime for anything I do here.
Rich – Obviously you believe those lying democracts because you don’t even know how to read. I said, and I will repeat: My name is Madalyn. DO NOT CHANGE IT FOR YOUR OWN PURPOSES. I have not given you permission to shorten it, lengthen it, or anything else. Now do you understand? Or are you just a dumb, lying democrat too? And, as I said earlier; Put up or Shut Up.
Madalyn
@rich wheeler:
HELLO?
Are you out there Rich?
Still waiting for you to offer proof of your claim or retract the racebaiting lie.
Which is it going to be Rich?
This isn’t going away. I’m going to dog you on every single comment thread at F.A. until you come clean!
Semper FAUX!
A.C. I live in Orange County Cal birthplace of The John Birch Society and still a staunchly conservative stronghold.Most people I know are Cons.and on invite I’ve attended 2 Tea Party rallies.If you don’t think a substantial faction of this movement is fueled by racial bigotry,by people who believe a Black should not be POTUS then your head is up your ass.My personal belief is you know this but I could be wrong.You’re an educated guy but living in the Deep South has certainly influenced your beliefs.Did you serve in the military?
I have not seen a black face and only a few brown at these 2 meetings attended by 300-500 people.The things I’ve heard said about Obama have only been duplicated on far right blogs like F.A.’s and This Ain’t Hell. This is not a mixed group racially or politically with 70%+Repubs.(Conservs.),some indies and a very few Dems like myself.I should add there were more than a few Paulists who were the most openly verbal.
You can continue to throw insults at me all you want and I’ll laugh them off while considering the source.
I fought for our country at places like Khe Sanh while you were a little baby.I’ ll send you my personal E-MAIL and cell if you’d like to say more or meet me in San Clemente. I’d welcome it. Mike Same offer to you and send me your fax for my DD-214. Best wishes Richard
Mike –
There is a long, well established and consistent pattern of the stock market performing much better under Dem presidents than under GOPers. So the idea that there was some kind of sell off because a Dem came into office is, to state simply, nuts.
Chihuahua –
Let’s get real, shall we? The teabaggers in 2009 and 2010 are the same people who were acting out at the nutty Palin rallies in 2008. You know . . . the rallies that convinced Chester Finn and Colin Powell to endorse Obama . . . . I don’t think I need to link you to the racist charactures, posters, mailers, etc., that have come out since Obama got the Dem nomination in 2008, and I think we know how to search Youtube to find clips of the White racists spouting their b.s. at the teabagger rallies. So g.m.a.f.b. on your naked, unsubstantiated claims that John Lewis is lying. Because its not as if what he is claiming is in any way out of character for teabaggers.
John Madden –
You say the government is not representing “the people.” Let’s step back a bit. We are talking about a bill that passed the elected Senate by a 60-40 margin, with those 60 senators representing about 75% of the US population. 13 of the 20 Senators representing the largest states voted for the bill, as did 13 of the the 20 Senators representing the smallest states. 51% of the ouse then supported the same bill. The individuals who “the people” elected to make decisions about legislation voted for the changes supported by the president than 53% of the people elected the last go around. If you want to say “the people who I think count” did not support it, that might be true. If you want to say “the 1,000 people polled by Rasmussen did not support it,” that, too, would be true. But to say “the people” actually opposed this is simple nonsense.
@rich wheeler:
Was there some proof to support your accusation in there somewhere?
Was there?
If not, then you continue to be nothing more than a lying liar tangled up in your own falsehoods.
You see richie, you can claim to be a Marine all day long but when you consistently demonstrate behavior that is below the standards of a Marine…well…clarity ensues.
Anytime you’re ready to produce the video tape then we’ll talk further about it.
Till then STFU.
@B-Rob:
I’ll give you the same challenge I issued to the “Marine” in the post above.
Where is the video from Saturday’s rally which supports your allegation?
Where is it Mr. SecondRate ParaLegal?
Where is it?
That’s right…there’s not one.
There are several tapes out there and not a single one supports your claim.
Sucks to be you.
Oh no…. you’ve come ’round to toss your tea party class warfare assaults, billy bob. None of which you care to prove with a smoking gun.. i.e. video… per the commenters requests. Of which there were plenty about.
But I’ll be damned if I let you pull off this horse manure. In fact, the Clinton years you love to tout are not the result of Clinton, but a GOP Congress.
So before I let you muddy the waters of truth with such unsubstantiated BS like “long, well established and consistent patterns” of stock markets, why don’t you start with telling us just what years you specifically revere for economic performance.
Then the truth warriors.. of which I am proud to be one… will examine your “long established and consistent” statement.
How was it Madalyn put it? tick tock… tick tock Give us those years, billy bob. Tell us what years were that pattern you put forth as an example?
I give thanks to those in The House of Representatives for having the courage to say Yes to health care/insurance reform. i predict that 20 years from now – universal health/medical care shall become a part of our culture as it is in all other industrialized nations. The succeeding generations will wonder what all the brouhaha was about. There were loud expressions of disagreement to Social Security, the WPA, The Civil Rights Bill, The Medicare Bill during those earlier times too. We should give this a chancee to work, and it will – for all of us. I just regret I will not be with you to see it all happen.
@Ro:
MeChelle…Is that you?
One of the things that makes me laugh about enviro wackos is that most of them live in the concrete jungles of urbanville, USA. Why the city’ites believe they have the right to lecture those that live in mother nature 24/7 is beyond comprehension.
Thus is much the same with those who just love to cast the racist card at others.
Let’s say, for example, Aye Chi, who lives in an area that is far from being white bread in flavors of ethnicity.
Then let’s compare the opinionated rich wheeler, who believes what he sees in the back yard of Orange County is indicative of the nation. That would be the same rich wheeler who lives in a lala land adjacent county where only 2% of the population is black…
….and then he wonders why he doesn’t see a black face in the crowd?
Hang, I’m amazed that complacent and self centered Californians even got out to a tea party event. After 18 years all over southern Cal, I think I have a handle on the culture. And of course, the closer to the Pacific you get, the more well to do you are.
So whatever tea party location that rich chooses not to mention, the less likely he is to see that small percentage of the black population that can not afford to live near the ocean, and instead hugs the Anaheim “behind the Orange curtain” sides of the county instead.
Shall they bus them in for you, so you feel better, rich?
@Mata
I’ve been at 2 T-Parties here in the SanFran/San Jose area, and we’ve had dozens of Americans who happen to be Black, Hispanic, and even some Asians and Indi/Paks. The ethnic percentages were about what we have here overall. The counter-protesters were ALL WHITE.
M.H. What % of national Tea Party movement is black? brown? How many black Tea Partiers did you see in the D.C. video A.C. is circulating?
What’sa matter, RO. On Medicare that’s being slashed from your Florida location? My parents are too. You will be around long enough to see it work… or, as one of those now deemed “non productive” citizen types … to see it not work for you. Fear not.. I’m only a few years behind you. And I wonder just how they are going to treat my 94 year old WWI veteran father in the future.
You see, to make ithe magic talking points number work, they increased the slashing of Medicare, and did a double posting of it.
And you give thanks? Very confusing. And not so nice a trick to play on your grandchildren.
rich wheeler, straw man. You gauge the tea party movement by what you saw in your WASP neighborhood by your own words.
As for tea party movement, it is not an official party, and therefore has no demographic break down you can either attack, nor defend.
fool
Yes maybe ObamaCare will be run as effectively as Social Security. Guess what everyone, we need to ask, no we require that you work to 75 instead of 65; because, we don’t have the money to pay you. In the mean time, many of you will die, some from working past your proper time and we can ignore the impending problem for ten more years. Then who knows, maybe we will go for 85, suckers.
You got to love those Marxists, they can lie with a straight face.
Just kinda depends on who is motivated to get out there for a cause, isn’t it, Patvann. But those like billy bob and rich little wheeler will continue class warfare by the broad paintbrush none the less.
An aversion to fiscal irresponsibility is not a race issue. It is an American and a Constitutional issue.
@B-Rob, thanks for the math lesson, you are obviously much smarter than me. It will be interesting living in your America where our leaders can make up whatever rules they want, because apparently your copy of the Constitution says that’s acceptable. I must have an older version, because mine does not say that.
Go ahead and trash me, I really don’t care. This bill, and the process by which it is being foisted on the citizenry is tantamount to treason, and I hope those responsible will swing for it.
I’d rather live in Mike’s America. At least then I could live or die based on my own choices and actions.
RO who knows the future you might be there and regret what you just wrote
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@rich wheeler: How many opportunities have you been given to either prove your claim or retract your racebaiting lie?
You have run out the clock on my patience.
I am not going to allow you to change the subject and launch on another of your racebaiting talking points.
You either make the retraction or be tagged forever as A LIAR.
Your choice.
Semper FAUX!
Hey Rich…
Should the T-partiers mandate participation quotas? Are you going to call us all racists unless we have 13.2482911% Blacks at every gathering? Should we gather a PERFECT percentage of the different races/creeds/colors/languages/sex/sexual preferences/heights/weights/religion/shoe-size/ and preferred car in every meeting before you can accept that the movement is valid, and NOT some “race-driven outburst”?
If we did you you still be a pontificating jerk throwing out strawman counter-posits?
What percentage of Whites are in the CBC? Do they allow Whites or ANY other race to join, even if they vote 100% of the time with them? Has anyone ever tried? Who? Would MLK approve? What would happen if we had a White-equivalent?
I know the answers to all 6 questions above, and so do you. You just can’t admit it.
Coward.
You are obviously incapable of standing up and being a man, let alone a former Marine in good-standing… with your refusal to accept being honest. Like Marines are taught from day-one.
So try to regain some semblance of Honor, and answer the questions I asked about the CBC.
IN PUBLIC. Then tell us who’s the comparative “racist”.
Then look up the T-party leader for the Houston area.
Then STFU.
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Mike Whatever you need to do.Call me if you get out west.
PAT As usual your comment is rambling and bizarre
Notice you blocked BROB I READ IT AND IT WAS RIGHT ON BUT YOU’RE TO CHICKENSHIT SCARED to post it. Enjoy playing with each other AS YOU CONTINUE TO LOSE
And you won’t win any arguments for precision, Rich, when there are Pat, pat, and PatVann posting here.
Oh how you do so love to confuse facts…..
The O’health care bill did not pass but by a simple majority. And that’s because that supermajority you love to tout can’t even agree upon it even with 2/3rds without being bribed, coerced or threatened.. .but finally managed to eek out three extra votes over a simple majority. Stupid-pak sells his morals cheap. ACLU and other pro-abortion groups did decide to express how livid they were today, but they were careful to wait until after he got suckered in to speak out for their cause. That’s because their political agenda trumps their stated cause.
Corruption… the foundation of this third major entitlement package, and the only one to pass via simple majority, without any minority ideas added to the bill, and without any minority votes.
You pat yourselves on the back? No doubt Hitler and Stalin would do the same, billy bob.
So… why do you think Obama’s doing a blitz PR tour for the next year to year and a half if the nation so backs this? Let me give you a hint…. after the Dems and Obama rammed it up the nation’s butt, he’s gotta tour with his Greek columns to convince the nation that we just LOVE suppositories!
pat My sincere apologies to you. RJW
M.H. I had a long post that clearly showed major indices had outperformed under Dem. admins between 1980 and 2010.It went missing.Ck it out and if you like I’d be happy to resend.
@Rich
“Pat” hasn’t commented on this Post.
“pat only has his one very observant post, as seen in comment #71.
So your willfully ignorant comment to “PAT” can only be addressed to me.
(Anyone else notice the subconscious “hiding” in this action?)
You have chosen the coward’s way. Chesty Puller would punch you in the mouth right now.
My comment is neither “rambling” nor “bizarre” (funny spelling and all)
My comment/questions to you were very straight forward. (To those who still retain Honor.)
You sir, need to turn in your Eagle Globe and Anchor. You are beyond pathetic…Projecting your own internal emotional “scared chicken” for all to see.
It saddens me when I hold my elders (especially those who have served honorably in the Corps) in the highest regard, and have them disappoint me so. I say that with the utmost honesty, and I take no pleasure whatsoever in stating it.
Believe it or not, there are tears of sadness welling.
Now begone. You have beclowned yourself, and your Corps.
rich, I have not seen any posts of yours in either moderation or spam that I haven’t released. I suggest you repost your supportive arguments for your statements.
I cannot imagine anything you can post that would contest the graphs that I have supplied you via Mish’s or Seeking Alpha that can alter factual numbers over history. But if you wish to continue to defend the indefensible, I am 100% in support of your right to do so.
@rich wheeler: You’re a liar and you won’t be commenting further on this thread.
Until and unless you retract your racially inflammatory accusation you will be tagged from now until the end of time.
Semper FAUX
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@rich wheeler: I wasn’t kidding Rich.
Back up your racially inflammatory accusation or retract it.
Or you will be dogged until the end of time.
You want to be known as a lying racial provocateur?
It’s your choice.
Semper FAUX!
Are we reduced to watching drill teams and referring to hero friends?
This is a theater of ideas, wit, and debate; unless, I’ve made a mistake, please tell me what relevance having a dubious friendship makes compared to unvalidated claims of racism that are meant to malign and dishearten the Patriots on this thread.
I am personally so tired of the racist bigotry of minorities and the continual efforts at race baiting and trying desperately to equate any statement as racially motivated. Now, we have congressmen playing the same rape card as the Duke stripper, except she didn’t have cameras, they are believed because of minority status alone, without proof, and then we have to listen to unsubstantiated claims of racism all day.
There will be another Duke stripper screaming rape next week also, I maintain that we have way more important work ahead of us than listening to two pontificating race baiters all day. They do nothing, but inhibit and restrict creativity on this site. Not one of their comments has been worth the net value of three dead flies, yet they monopolized this site. They have accomplished their mission, and they will continue to disrupt and anger us so that we lose sight of our primary goal, to defeat this Marxist in the White House and his lackeys in Congress.
THEN STAND UP MARINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Goddammit you are conversing with a man who is the Father of a Marine. I don’t give a fuck who you saw last week…REMEMBER WHO THEY ARE, AND WHAT THEY STAND FOR!!!!
And fuck you for your “crocodile tears” bullshit. I try to come clean with my emotions, and you want to crap on them. Fuck you.
ANSWER THE GODDAMN QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CBC!!!!!!! (let alone the racist CDC members and their lies)
Now Curt and Co. have the perfect reasons for scolding me and my language, but now you are fucking with my Corps. Most importantly YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR.
My son is at Pendleton right the hell now. All it took was a phone call. But of course I might be lying… So here’s the schedule you…you Murtha-fucking POS.
http://www.marines.mil/community/Pages/EventCalendar.aspx?Location=CA&EventType=&calDate=3/00/2010
Anyone see any drills at Pendleton?
Who the hell do you think you can bullshit? My wife and I have been involved in the goings-on at Pendleton for over a year. Can you figure out why yet?
Curt. Please flush this son-of-Oswald. He is beneath contempt.
I’m outa here for a bit. I gotta smash something.
Once again we have allowed a Goebbels propagandist to stand up here and tell the big lie.
Notice how the comments here shifted from being a discussion of how to hold Dems who voted for health care accountable to a race baiting spree on the part of Semper FAUX Rich Wheeler.
He won’t be commenting on this thread again and I will make sure that he is held accountable for his vile tactics on all future threads.
Bill O’Reilly has been showing the video of black Dems marching to the Capitol. Shown is Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. clearly with camera in hand recording the scene yet NO ONE is recorded making racials slurs or arrested for assault. Multiple other cameras are visible in the video and yet NOT ONE video has come forward to support these outrageous accusations.
What Semper FAUX Wheeler demonstrates is that libs will use the big lie of the most inflammatory race baiting phony accusations in an attempt to divert us from holding Dems accountable for their vote.
It’s a tactic that is as despicable and dishonest as the vote these Dems cast in the House.
It won’t be tolerated by me.
@ All
I am sorry for my outburst. I shouldn’t let lesser men lead me to such banality…
@Patvann: You have nothing to apologize for.
Racebaiting is the moral equivalent of using the “n” word. It’s despicable and intolerable and there is no value in allowing such inflammatory comments to continue. Especially when the continued racebaiting is a distraction from the more important goals we must pursue to save our country from these socialist monsters.
Racebaiting pisses me off, and watching them run from the light of truth sometimes borders on entertaining….except that I know how damaging it’s been to our Republic..So I will not tolerate it.
Lie and disrespect the Corps, and it just got personal. I have blood in the game.
“Momma-bear” has nothin on Daddy-bear.
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@Skooks
Youngest one (Daniel) can’t stop laughing at what 3 dead flys might be worth.
PV, as a math man, you realize a negligible amount is still an amount. We don’t want to sell these air heads short: yet, it is very difficult to undervalue their worth.
Some of us might be happy to be called an old fart.
Call them as you see them. The Political Prostitute
Henry VIII (All Is True) Shakespeare
Act 4, Scene 2
Katherine: He was a man
of an unbounded stomach…
He would say untruths, and be ever double
Both in his words and meaning…
Of his own body he was ill, and gave
The clergy ill example…
Griffith: This cardinal,
Though from humble stock, undoubtedly
Was fashioned to much honour. From his cradle
He was a scholar, and a ripe good one…
Lofty and sour to him that loved him not,
But t those men that sought him, sweet as summer.
Rough Translation with artistic license
Katherine: He was a man of unbounded sexual desire.
he told lies and only had sex with men. He was a whore and a panderer.
he was sexually immoral and gave the clergy a name for licentiousness.
Griffith: He was from humble stock, this cardinal, but he was ruthless in his determination to raise his dink to potency. Right from the cradle he was a scholar of sex, a sexually rank one, and a whore. He was aloof and sour to those who did not love him, but to those men who flattered him, he was sexually intimate, and as lusty as summer.
Now does this sound like someone who lives in the WH?
@Skooks
Replace the homo-erotica with “power”, and it’s him.
I am not sure I am ready to discount the homo erotica.
With that Klingon for a wife, it’s closer to beastiality.
A Midsummer’s Night’s Dream, Act 2 Scene 1
Puck jester to Oberon and Titania, the king and queen of fairies, is a foul speaking little bugger.
Puck: Lord what fools these mortals (Obamatons or Progressive Socialists) be.
Puck turns to the audience and tells a surreal tale.
Puck: I am that merry wanderer of the night.
Ijest to Oberon, and make him smile…
And sometime lurk I in a gossip’s bowl
In very likeness of a roasted crab,
And when she drinks, against her lips I bob,
And on her withered dewlap pour the ale.
Yes, you are saying, tell me it isn’t what I think it is; but it is that and much more.
Puck: I am the horny wanderer of the night. I tell fart jokes to Oberon and make him smell them. And sometimes I lurk in a whores pelvis disguised as a roasted crab. And when she drinks, I wank against her private parts and spend on her nether lips.
Just think, people spend a lot of money to send their children to school so that they can read this stuff.
I think Obama is the Puck of the 21st Century, but laughter has a way of reversing itself.
Seriously off topic now.
Mike, if rich wheeler re posted his stock market data to back up his assertations, I can’t see where this should have been be deleted.
On the other hand, it is probably too far off topic, and this is your authored post. By our own internal rules… just like the Congressional chambers
… we do give each other leeway to exercise our own moderation rules. So I guess that is why you deleted that material as well?
@MataHarley: I gave him the chance of either retracting his racially inflammatory LIES which he repeated and amplified over and over and over or being dumped from this comment thread. You can read the multiple warnings I issued above for yourself.
I had no intention of permitting him to simply change the subject and avoid being held accountable for tarring and feathering the Tea Partiers (and also smearing Flopping Aces readers with slander such as “The things I’ve heard said about Obama have only been duplicated on far right blogs like F.A.’s”) and then skating free.
You’re certainly more tolerant of fools and provacateurs than I am. If you want to baby the little weasel on one of your posts be my guest. But I’ll still dog him every step of the way until the retracts his false and inflammatory accusations. In addition to the retraction I now also demand that he apologize to the readers for stiring up racial animosity and smearing them.
I intend to hold morons like Rich Wheeler to the same standard we hold our fellow conservatives. Surely you don’t have a problem with that?
I do believe I made it quite clear that I honor the FA rules of author as moderator, Mike. I also believe I was just as clear when I noted that altho it was me who requested the repost of his stock market source data as part of the patvann/mata/wheeler previous cyber conversation, I also recognized it was your choice to delete that unrelated commentary with the same FA authority. I just wouldn’t have considered that part of the tea party racist accusations… which I did weigh in myself on above as horse manure sans proof. It’s a very Duke LaCross’esque moment, and one would think using such tactics have been proven to be pretty much bogus. Part of the ugly reality of our system is anyone can make false accusations, and even tho one is exonerated by the judicial system, the damage is done.
But then, with freedom and responsibility comes the risk and repercussions of the same. Oh… wait… what am I saying! We are, as Aye deliciously put it, it’s now “welfare state Tuesday”. Gosh darn, all my worries and stress are gone. Obama’s gonna protect and take care of me! heh
But enuf digression. Truth be told, I was only half curious at rich wheeler’s sources since the database used to build the Mish’s graphs are historically accurate and point out that using the Dow and Nasdaq as a sign of “recovery” is a talking point of the demented. Then again, the stock market conversation between us all was a bit muddied INRE it’s response to policy, the reaction time, and whether rich wheeler believes it’s a leading indicator… which it is not. Anyone who uses the stock market in 2010 as an indicator of the US economy is playing with statistical fire.
But nuff said… sorry to be OT. I’m officially out of this thread, and no regrets at not looking back.
@MataHarley: I thought I made it clear that I have no intention of permitting a race baiting loon to simply change the subject and skate free from accountability.
Now that I’ve repeated it, I hope you understand.
I’m glad you respect the sanctity of my “chambers” although you have just issued me license to wander into yours and rearrange the furniture.
P.S. Thought about you when I was listening to Rush today. He was talking about the moment when he realize he was wrong about the health vote.
I guess experience does count for something after all!
Let’s try again, Mike. What I said was you as the author of the post may decide what you want to do with your comments. I will not interfere.
You wander into my posts and elect to delete per your own personal standards, and you will have an issue with me. I will not infringe on your post/thread territory. I expect the same respect in return.
Nuff said.
Mike, my diverse tangents were meant to defuse escalating emotions with salacious tales from history. Some of us were distraught over the day’s proceedings; laughter is a diversion that often helps soothe the savage breast, while providing a glimpse into the theater of the absurd.
I was riding the wild river with a purpose, my aim was true: I wont falter nor lead astray, without a definite purpose.
>>>>ducks….runs>>>>
Skook! Our very own “Reader’s Digest ‘”Laughter, the Best Medicine’” guy! LOL
Purpose is defined. Aim? Flexible. Sometimes ya gotta hit target C to get to target A, eh?
@Skookum:
Errrr…what are these savage breasts of which you speak?
Oh dang, Aye… where are those Missy 3D tatoo photos she sent me off forum for a laugh when I need them… LOL!
@Skookum: No problem Skookum.
But I notice Aye and Mata are starting to redecorate again..
Oh well, a new precedent is set.
P.S. Mata, no comment on Rush’s admission today? I wouldn’t bring it up but you seem to want me to….
Hmmm. After reading the comments in this thread it makes me a little glad that we do have people like Cary who post regularly and do so with respect, even if he is wrong. rich wheeler and BRob are as rude and knowledge deficient as they come. I enjoy a little sparring with them every now and then but when they choose to follow “facts” with outrageous commentary and unsubstantiated accusations, I support whoever the thread author is in a decision to drop kick them from the discussion.
@johngalt said: “I support whoever the thread author is in a decision to drop kick them from the discussion.”
Thank you John. I appreciate your support. Frankly I don’t understand why some others who shall be nameless (see above) would rather coddle these loons, but that’s their choice.
Yes, we do have a number of respectful liberals like Cary (who has had his own outbursts, but we pulled him back from the ledge) and our old friend Larry Weisenthal (who was it that frightened him away?).
I’ve even got a couple of pet monkeys I keep in the cage at the Home Planet, Mike’s America, including Doc Washboard, AKA Dim Wit, who was banned (can we say censorship?) at F.A. I let them spout their stuff but I don’t let them harass readers or repeat slanders over and over and over.
Maybe this is a good opportunity for a wider discussion on the topic of how to handle liberal moonbats and one where we need to get more input from our readers on just exactly how far they want us to show tolerance for people repeating over and over and over again inflammatory racist LIES?
I’ll respect the wishes of the readers if they want a free-for-all anything goes with liberals granted special license to litter the board with slander.
Mike
As far as letting the moonbats have their way, it does serve a purpose (incidentally the topic of my very first post here) in that casual readers, of which I am sure there are many(I was one for a couple of years before joining in the discussions) can see the over the top statements, “facts” without proof, and general ideology of them. I have every faith in the world that you or Mata or Patvann, or A.C., or some other author or reader will provide the firepower to smack them down. As for this discussion on this thread in particular, it got way out of hand, and I didn’t even get to read the deleted posts (I’m sure that I am better off for it too.
). I look forward to reading more here in the future, and posting some at times, and when it gets crazy, to the ultimate smackdown of the imbeciles when needed. Thanks Mike.
MATA,is it basic dow ….?i have that from RICH in my gmailcomment come back?
John: I agree that allowing these moonbats some freedom to spout their lunacy does serve a purpose. The problem I have is when they totally hijack the comments and attempt to distract us all from the subject of the post.
The topic of this post was supposed to be about holding Dems accountable for their promises and lies on health care. Instead it turned into a demonstration in race baiting.
Some of the discussion above was useful in demonstrating once again that a lib like Rich will use unfounded accusations at the drop of a hat and paint us all with the racist brush. But after debunking his comments again and again and AGAIN, it served no purpose to permit him to continue.
It’s time we hold these libs accountable for their lies on health care as well as their lies on race. And I invite the readers here to put in their two cents on what level of moderation is appropriate.
Adding presumed mind reading to your resume, Mike? No clue what you are discussing. I had a friend where he said Rush said he felt that he was wrong and that the GOP showing up at the summit was a mistake because it lent an air of “legitimacy” by their presence. Considering that the bill that was passed by the House… the Senate amended version of HR 3590… had none of the GOP presented ideas that Obama promised to add, I found that an interesting, but erroneous remark.
But I won’t expound further since I would risk being deleted for being off topic by the 1st amendment thread nanny.
Last insult hurled at me personally, Mike. See ya. This thread now lives in my email filter bin. ta ta
@MataHarley: Well you can read it out of your spam filter. Rush was very magnanimous today in praising the GOP leadership, especially Boehner and admitting he was wrong about how he felt the House vote would go.
And yes, I do think you coddle these loons. You like playing with them like a cat plays with a mouse. But then, when my cat finally killed the mouse I was the one left to clean up the mess.
Mike, FA provides a theater of ideas; readers load up on material for debate and input to formulate their own ideas. That is a profound service for the cause of Freedom. Yes, we have disagreements; the founding fathers anticipated debate and encouraged the exchange of ideas. Some people log on just to say, “Hurah, for our side” for whatever their reason, that is there contribution: and I say good for them, they want to hang with companeros and we provide comfort in that they know they are not alone. Others can throw stuff into the ring that makes you say, “Oh my, there are some serous thinkers out there” so all in all, Curt has provided a wee corner of the world where we can gather and deliberate.
Now if you journey to the Lib or Socialist sites, each comment is an exercise in profanity and who can be the most clever at saying the same thing forever, not exactly an intellectual exercise. I think those people with cerebral function above that of a gibbon, eventually tire of the endless primary schoolyard taunts; you cant blame them for wanting to hang out here, however, we don’t need to adopt nor endure the intellectual capacity of the lowest common denominator to accommodate lost and bewildered Liberals.
They should be up to the task of intelligent debate and be able to verify any and all accusations or, I say, drop kick them through the goalpost of life. I realize Liberals and Socialists are by nature and psychological disease intellectually compromised; however, their personal problems are their problems and not ours. Unless they can compete in the arena of ideas, they should go back to the Manure throwing Lib sites and hone their skills if they want to run with the big dogs.
I see the comments on my phone that they leave in the middle of the night: such comments are deleted by you our field grade officers, as they should be; but the cowardly method they employ and the language is disgusting, this is the heart and soul of the Liberal blog sites, this is what they have to offer, whether they have a graduate degree or some time in the service.
I promise to defend my statements until proven wrong, if I can’t back them up, they aren’t valid. I am not a great researcher like our officers, but the stuff I write is rooted in fact, not hallucinogenic visions of wild eyed Marxists. I will battle in the arena of ideas, but to cross swords in a battle of insults is beneath my dignity. In other words, in my humble opinion, if the Socialists and Communists want to argue here, they should be expected to engage with honor and dignity.
Robert Service said it best in these few words: The Law Of The Yukon
This is the Law of the Yukon, and ever she makes it plain:
Send not your foolish and feeble; send me your strong and your sane
Strong for the red rage of battle; sane, for I harry them sore;
Send me men girt for the combat, men who are grit to the core;
Swift as the panther in triumph, fierce as the bear in defeat,
Sired of a bulldog parent, steeled in the furnace heat.
Send me the best of your breeding, lend me your chosen ones;
Them I will take to my bosom, them will I call my sons;
Them will I gild with m treasure, them will I glut with my meat;
But the others-the misfits, the failures- I trample under my feet.
Dissolute, damned, and despairful, crippled and palsied and slain,
Ye would send me the spawn of your gutters- Go! take back your spawn again
Wild and wide are my borders, stern as death is my sway;
From my ruthless throne I have ruled for a million years and a day;
Hugging my mighty treasure, waiting for man to come
Till he swept like a turbid torrent, and after him swept- the scum
The pallid pimp of the dead-line, the envervate of the pen, one by one I weeded them out, for all that I sought was men.
One by one I dismayed them, frighting them sore with my glooms;
One by one I betrayed them unto my manifold dooms.
Drowned them like rats in my rivers, starved them like curs on my plains,
Rotted the flesh that was left them, poisoned the blood in their veins;
Burst with my winter upon them, searing forever their sight,
Lashed them with fungus-white faces, whimpering wild in the night.
Staggering blind through the storm whirl, stumbling mad through the snow,
Frozen stiff in the ice pack, brittle and bent like a bow;
Featureless, formless, forsaken, scented by wolves in their fight,
Left for the wind to make music through ribs that are glittering white;
Gnawing the black crust of failure, searching the pit of despair,
Crooking the toe in the trigger, trying to patter a prayer;
Going outside with an escort, raving with lips all afoam.
Writing a check for a million, driveling feebly of home;
Lost like louse in the burning… or else the tented town.
Seeking a drunkard’s solace, sinking and sinking down;
Steeped in the slime at the bottom, dead to a decent world,
Lost ‘mid the human flotsam, far on the frontier hurled;
In the camp at the bend in the river; with its dozen saloons aglare,
Crimped with the crimes of a city, sin-ridden and bridled with lies,
In the hush of mountain vastness, in the flush of mid-night skies.
…Many lines more until the last
This is the Law of the Yukon, that only the strong shall thrive;
That surely the weak shall perish, and only the fit survive.
Dissolute, damned and despairful, crippled palsied and slain
This is the Will of the Yukon,- Lo, how she makes it plain.
This how we should judge and treat our Liberal, Socialist and Communist visitors; with the Law of The Yukon. And for those who have read my stories and wondered why Life sounded so harsh and tragic in the land of forty below, this poem should give you a slight understanding of life in the Far North.
AC, you caught me flat footed with the ‘savage breasts’, oh what pun!
Now, my passions are all aflame with just the thought.
I have one hung up in the cyber snare! on this thread.
@Skookum: Don’t know why that previous comment of yours got caught in spam. There were no links in it. It kept bouncing from spam to pending even when I approved it. Go figure.
Mike, Mike, Mike . . . I think I need to address something you wrote above — “I just wouldn’t have considered that part of the tea party racist accusations… which I did weigh in myself on above as horse manure sans proof.”
The accusation: teabaggers called John Lewis a “n*gger.”
Someone (was it Little Dog? I forget who) said, in essence, if something is not on video, it did not happen. This, of course, is beyond nonsensical. Because, for example, the inclusion of the so called “Louisiana Purchase” in Obamacare was not on tape. But we know it happened, don’t we? How? Because various people have discussed it happening and they made a paper trail.
Now about the John Lewis “n*gger” remark — You, Bill Bennett and instapundit Glenn Reynolds claim, with no supporting facts, that it never happened. Neither you nor Bennett nor Glenn Reynolds were present in Washington at the day and time that John Lewis, a son of the South, says he was slurred with a word he knows oh so well.
Now who was there in Washington at that date and time? John Lewis was there and reported what happened to him. Barney Frank was there, too, and he was called a f”ggot. It is no leap of logic to think that those same knuckledraggers who would call a gay man a f”ggot would call a Black man a n*gger. One Black Congressman got spat on and someone was arrested, but not charged. Again, if you are willing to spit on a Black member of Congress, you are not above calling another one a n*gger, seems to me.
Who else was there? Congressman Cleaver, who witnessed the slur. Both Cleaver and Lewis timely reported it.
Who else was in Washington on Capitol Hill? Why the GOPers were. Have you noticed that none of them have claimed that the incident did not happen? Nope; I don’t recall a single one who has denied it happened . . . even though you and Glenn Reynolds [who were not there] claim it did not happen. Reading between the lines, you can make a few conclusions. (a) That they know Lewis and Cleaver and trust their honesty; (b) the GOPers heard through other sources they trust [like their staffers, media people, or other GOPers] that the incident occurred the way Lewis and Cleaver said it did; or (c) they witnessed it, or something similar, first hand, and thus believe what Lewis reported was not beyond the pale.
Who else was in Washington? The teabaggers. Again, I have not heard a single teabagger who was present in Washington claiming it did not happen. They have, instead, distanced themselves. If an incident never occured, and you knew it did not occur, there would be no reason to distance your organization.
Who else was in Washington? The press. I have not seen anyone report that they heard this first hand. But, again, like the GOPers in Washington, they must have heard from a reliable source that it happened, hence the complete absence of any member of the press (inlcuding National Review, Weekly Standard, Fox News, etc.) claiming it did not happen.
So what do we have, in balance? You, Bennett and Reynolds, who were not there, claiming it did not happen based on . . . well, your own say so.
On the other side, you have the victim claiming it happened, other incidents that show how unhinged the teabaggers had become that day, the absence of any denials by GOPers who were on Capitol Hill that day, press reports that the incidents occurred, and the absence of any dispute from the teabaggers themselves . . . only a distancing from the incidents . . . “the actions of a few should not taint the entire movement” . . . blah blah blah.
Starting with the eye witness accounts, adding in the other events, and the reactions of those present at the time, there is considerable evidence that John Lewis, a member of Congress, was called a “n*gger” by teabaggers on Saturday March 20, 2010. You, on the other hand, have no evidence (or even a rational argument) that would tend to establish that it did not happen. Er, facial!
Wow. He thinks he proved a negative.
That was quite…um…I got nothin.
(It’s like trying to respond to a fart let-loose in Myanmar.)
“Ya got us all now, BROB!!!”
@johngalt:
I appreciate and return the sentiment. You may not see me for a while, as I’ve accepted the daunting challenge of writing a screenplay in 30 days, all while starting a new position at the baseball stadium as season starts. So all of my free time will be usurped during April. (that doesn’t mean, however, that I won’t be paying attention!)
I agree with Skookum that our country needs these kind of debates and exchanges of ideas, and that our Founders encouraged them (I’d also love to talk with him about Shakespeare sometime, as he seems to know quite a bit, and my own acting career has been primarily the Bard in the past decade or so…).
While who’s “right and wrong” may be a factor in many discussions, I think perspective comes into play quite a bit, as well. My favorite example is that my view of guns, living in NYC, are going to be naturally different than a person’s who lives in Alaska, and that if we understand from which angle the other sees the issue, we can find some common ground. As a “bleeding heart liberal”, I’ve found much common ground with Conservatives and refuse accept the view of each other as “enemies”. I recently had a discussion with an older friend, on an issue we both agreed on. At one point he said, “But I bet you know the other side of this, don’t you? What is it?”
I did, I told him, and he got it. And that’s because I have the sort of discourse with folk such that I find here at FA.
Cary, I assume you know that William is considered to be the greatest wordsmith that ever lived. It has been estimated that his vocabulary was over 40,000 words and the average college graduate’s vocabulary is between 3500 and 4500 words.
I suppose you know that he had sold out crowds with standing room only, the penny stinkards. I assume you have acted as a Shakespearean for the last decade;o you know that Will competed with the whipping of nude women, the torture and rendering of people, dog fighting, bear baiting, and public executions, not to mention the bordellos that proliferated bankside, including The Rose that was directly behind The Globe. The same that is so often misquoted, A rose that was a bordello, a flower, and a woman’s most intimate anatomy.
After ten years of that, you should be able to write a screenplay in one night, sleep on it and with a bottle of good red wine, flesh it out the next night. Thirty days, please, we are not writing War and Peace.
Actually, on a more serious note; may I suggest a novel. If it merits the attention, write the screen play. Many a screenplay has followed a novel, the inverse has rarely been successful.
Cary, let’s be practical; you are thinking like a Liberal. A novel is 120 pages; you should plan on writing 5 to 10 pages a night, rework 10 pages in one night. This must be a production of work, not a lollygag. Write in rough form and come back to proofread. Love stories and adventure/intrigue sell well. Get off your arse Cary, this isn’t a dress rehearsal: if you wan to write, get it done.
@BRob: Your a known liar BLOB. I am not going to waste any more time on your attempt to fan the flames of racism and hate in this country with more wild and unproveable lies.
@Cary: What are you doing at the ballpark? Is the screenplay about me?
@Cary
I hope all your endeavors are successful.
It is an honor to have you here keeping us honest. If every Dem (and many Repubs) were like you, this country wouldn’t be in this situation. An open mind can not be overtaken.
Please keep in touch. As for me, I will miss you while you’re gone.
You are a breath of fresh air. (That sound you hear is BRob’s head expolding.)
(PS Mike only wants it to be about him…
*ducks and runs*)
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@pragpro: I see one of my little moonbats has escaped from the cage at Mike’s America!
Come on in Parrot (that’s the nickname we gave him at M.A.) You’ll find you get shredded here a lot faster than you do in the cozy cage I keep for you.
-When people with pre-existing conditions are still dying because the bill won’t cover them until years after their death their families will remember who voted for this bill.
-When the cost of this program skyrockets far above today’s projections and explodes the deficit voters will remember who voted for this bill.
-When the IRS comes knocking on the door demanding we buy insurance or be fined or go to jail, voters will remember who voted for this bill.
Where are you getting your information? None of the above is correct. 1. The bill forces insurance companies to cover anyone with pre-existing conditions. 2. The cost of the program cuts costs over 10 years, according to the NON-PARTISAN CBO. 3. If you don’t pay for insurance you CANNOT go to jail. Get your facts straight before threatening consequences.
@ObiMo: I guess you haven’t been keeping up with the FACTS Obambi lover!
I’ll make you a deal: When the cost of this bill skyrockets, when premiums rise faster than they already would, when the IRS demands you sign up for insurance or pay a fine, when businesses don’t hire new workers, you promise to stop voting for all time and never say another word.
I’ll do the same if I am wrong.
Something tells me you won’t be taking the bet.
You have to be a complete fool to believe the promises of a man who has already broken nearly every promise he has ever made.
You have to be a complete fool to believe that somehow THIS big government boondoogle will be different from all the other big government boondoggles.
@ObiMo:
Starting when?
That’s right….the coverage for children doesn’t begin right away.
So, when children with pre-existing conditions are still dying because the bill won’t cover them, their families will remember who voted for this bill.
Not, not exactly.
Remember…the taxation starts immediately. The benefits, not so much.
Then, when you examine the creative accounting, the double counting, and the sleight of hand tricks in the bill, there are no savings.
There is, however, a $2.5 trillion cost.
Umm….this bill uses the IRS as its’ enforcement mechanism.
That mechanism, as you may or may not know, doesn’t necessarily jail you right away, but IRS agents most certainly have that authority.
And if you think that going to jail for not paying your taxes doesn’t happen, give Wesley Snipes a call.
Yes, where are you getting your information?
Because none of the information you gave above is correct.
Mike Miller, do you think these comments help your cause? No wonder the only thing less popular then the Congress are the Republicans in Congress. Say hello to Jeff Gannon, for me.
Hey Miller, I bet that all the government lard that you suck into you never comes back to the treasury. Give the people their money back. What did you do for the money we gave you? What were the names of the Corporations that you lobbied for in-between revolving off the public teat? I know democracy is a big pain in the ass for you, but we figured the gated community we paid for you to live in would make you appreciate the people more. You were against medicare before you were for it, trick.
You guys are so tough, you delete evidence, let’s try this again.
Of course, Mike denies all of these incidents that the GOP and Tea Party are now condemning. All the evidence is from ultra-left websites like FOX-News, Roger Simon’s Politico, and the nefarious Kansas City Star, oh and these 700+ other sources for this any the many other cases.
@pragpro:
Ummmmm….what, precisely, was deleted?
Refer to comment #25 on this thread.
It seems you’re confused about where you’ve scattered your droppings.
@pragpro: Parrot, clearly you don’t have ANYTHING of substance to contribute here.
If you are going to keep repeating insults and lies then I will delete your comments and put you back in your cage.
Don’t you get it? No one believes a word you say!
[DELETED COMMENT OF UNREPENTANT LYING RACEBAITER BANNED FROM THIS THREAD FOR FAILURE TO RETRACT HIS LIES AND APOLOGIZE TO READERS FOR INSINUATING THEY ARE RACISTS!]
Mike, threatening to put someone “in a cage”, goes on your permanent record. I’m really not afraid. Really.
@pragpro: Oh NOOOO!!! Not my “PERMANENT RECORD.”
Oh the SHAME!
I suppose when I say we have you and your fellow Dems “targeted for defeat” you think we are talking about guns.
Have I mentioned what an idiot you are?
Back to topic: My local newspaper printed the original post above as a letter to the editor today.
I encourage everyone to write letters to their local paper.
It DOES make a difference.
You know the lefties are out there repeating their phony talking points in letters every day. We have to counter this with the truth.
Mike you deleted a Marine Vet’s evidence he is a vet? GFYS.
Nobody shot at Eric Cantor’s office according to the Police.
http://news.google.com/news/story?client=safari&rls=en&q=eric+cantor+bullet&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dBywLHXmVXCgpjMt1nnndugWsvRrM&hl=en&ei=tA2tS-HhHZHQtgPyjujQDQ&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CAkQqgIwAA
With all the free speech restrictions, Mike’s America more resembles the “People’s Republic” of China. Everyone on this thread see the messages in their e-mail in-box before you delete them, insane person.
Sarah Palin is reading her hands again. I love it. Please nominate Sarah for the Tea Party, let’s say Mitch Daniels for the GOP, and Butch Otter for the Bull Moose ticket.
I thought that I remembered pragpro being tossed out on his azz the last time he wandered into these parts.
Turns out I was correct.
Tossed out by Curt himself.
Pragpro now lives in the SPAM filter with his new e-mail and IP addresses.
@Aye Chihuahua: Oh, gee Aye. I don’t know how comfortable I am with this censorship
Parrot just threatened me at my blog. Apparently he feels I am responsible for the demise of the blog “Mike’s Dumb America.”
Parrot’s a harmless, hapless and brainless little troll. I almost feel sorry for him.
It’s not like the guy who thought he had my actual name address and telephone number and posted it on the Daily Kos diaries with what he thought was a map to my house. The idiot got the wrong Mike.
And this was happening long before Democrats took the microphones screeching about how threatened they feel by Tea partiers.
What we are seeing today is a Keystone cops version of left wing fascists.
Dumb and Dumber:
@Aye Chihuahua: Yup, name sounded familiar, and the idiot didn’t even try to hide who he was.
@Skookum:
Not only that, but he also invented many of the words and phrases we still use today! I own the Shakespeare Lexicon by Alexander Schmidt, which contains and defines every word the Bard used and is 1,484 pages in two volumes of very small print! I posted something I think you’d like on this on my blog sometime ago:
http://caryscolumn.blogspot.com/2006/04/shakespeares-birthday_23.html
I actually started out doing musical theatre, which was what I originally came to NYC to study. When I got out of the conservatory, most of the work I got was in dramatic straight plays. I decided that studying Shakespeare would make me a better actor (the way ballet is the foundation of dance), and got hooked! I ended up studying with an amazing teacher (who wrote THIS BOOK), who taught us to find the acting clues in the First Folio. He also taught us to find the “bawdy”, first using Juliet’s “Gallup Apace” speech – read it with a dirty mind and you’ll be shocked! No wonder it appealed so much to the groundlings as much as the gentlefolk! I ended up doing Shakespeare, as well as Moliere and Rostand (toured the US with Cyrano right after 9/11 – amazing experience.) Unfortunately, sticking to classical theatre is rather limiting, from a perspective a “making a living” career wise, so I’m branching myself out now, hopefully with the original goal of being a better actor somewhat accomplished.
I may work on a novel sometime in the future, but the thing I’m doing now is Script Frenzy, with 14,208 writer participating so far, which I’m really excited about. Thanks so much for the pep talk, it’s the best I’ve gotten yet for this!
@Mike’s America:
I’m working at Yankees Stadium again this season, only this year they’ve promoted me to a server inside the 5 Star Diamond, members only Legends Club (where Guliani, among other high profile people eat before a game.) I’m hoping this pans out for me financially, so I can invest in my own career, and market myself more properly. So, I’ll have to take the time to really learn the menu and wine list, and get things moving. The Yankees helped me keep my head above water last year, and the managers liked me, so this year I should be able to get ahead! So my Yankee fandom is a bit more personal than the game itself, which I already enjoy immensely. Go Yankees!
In a nutshell, my screenplay is a horror/thriller (not a bloody slasher-fest) involving evil entities who hide by blending themselves into New York City nightlife (Linda Blair could be there with her head spinning, and nobody would blink!), and, Mike, I highly doubt you’d ever find yourself in the trap my young and naive protagonist gets himself into!
@Patvann:
Wow, thank you so much. A friend of mine recently asked why I bother debating with conservatives, since I could “never win”. I said that I’m not looking to win, but to have honest discussions about things that affect all of us, with intelligent and great people, which is what I get here. Civil discussion forces us to be informed, and there’s nothing wrong with that, no matter how you look at it!
@Cary: I’m been in my fair share of New York hell holes and they were a nightmare. But perhaps nothing on the same par as what you are writing.
I never took you for a horror fan. It must come from that other side of you we don’t see here.
@Mike’s America:
Yeah, I’m a fan of nearly every genre, though I don’t pay to see sophomoric comedies on the big screen! My favorite horror flicks aren’t the Texas Chainsaw types, but more in the Jaws/ Silence of the Lambs/ Psycho vein – with well written characters and strong acting.
You can follow my progress here if you’d like: http://www.scriptfrenzy.org/eng/user/622700
@Cary:
Peeked at your page Cary and found this and it shocked me:
That’s my favorite breakfast too, and will do the same with pancakes, love the way the flavor mixes! Just can’t have the bottomless cup of coffee.
I don’t enjoy being scared by movies. I did see Jaws a few times and was re-scared again. The worst movie for me was Sophie’s Choice, I mourned what happened in that movie for a long, long time. = = well written and strong acting.
I wish you well, enjoy that promotion at the stadium, sounds really exciting!
@Missy:
Thanks! I’ll have to try that with pancakes!
Yes, I can’t imagine making a choice like Sophie’s Choice. Meryl Streep is one my favorite actors, along with Ian Mckellen (number one in my book!), Cate Blanchett, and Judi Dench!