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The Ultimate Hypocrisy: Reconciliation to Pass Health Care
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Wednesday, March 3rd, 2010 at 12:40 pm | 511 views
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These clowns, especially 0bama, run the risk of making the term “ultimate hypocrisy” as useless and irrelevant as the term “unprecedented”.
This is only the latest “ultimate hypocrisy”.
We may have to wait a week or so for the next one.
Why aren’t more Constitution-defending patriots making the following point? Given the Constitution’s silence about public healthcare, the 10th Amendment automatically reserves government power to regulate healthcare to the states, not the Oval Office and Congress. And if Congress wants to regulate healthcare, then Article V requires Congress to this. Congress must first propose an amendment to the Constitution to the states which would expressly delegate to Congress the power it wants to make healthcare legislation. And until such an amendment is ratified by the states, Congress has no constitutional authority to make healthcare legislation.
All the crooks in Congress want is your money anyway.
Somewhere, George III is smiling smugly.
The election is over? Now we, the citizens of America see what thug politics from the underbelly of the Chicago Machine is all about. Too bad we had to put this thug in the White House to learn about the corruption and greed. Welcome to Chicago Socialism!
The Communists and Union Gangsters can’t believe the inroads they are making to control the United States. Hoffa was a rank amateur, Obama will have his army of thugs mobilized before long!
There was a day and an age in America where people like Reid would have to prove his, “honor” in a legal stand up duel in a gun fight… Can we please bring back that system of Honor and Justice?
Didn’t the health care bill already pass the senate with 60 votes last year?
Hove, the bill that passed the Senate is of different langauge than what was passed in Congress. Due to this and many other factors, the Congress would have to vote to pass the Senate bill as of Budget concerns or the Senate must vote and pass the current Congress bill by stripping out everything but Budget related issues (of most consist of taxtion increases on many subjects). Both verisons of Healtcare Reform bill mandates higher taxation on private insurance policies, medical equipment, medical services, drugs, private income hikes, and even encourages the IRS to seize private propperty to compensate budget shortfalls. This is why it is political suicide to do Reconcilliation, the “stripped” down final bill that gets passed and enforced on the American people will be mostly bloated taxation policies and do little for Healthcare reform.
Last chance on the health bill
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Mr. Irons,
I know there were two h.c bills, the houses’ and the senate and both were passed. Yet, as i understand it, the house never passed the senate’s version so obama could sign it.
So i guess what i’m asking is, if the house is going to vote to pass the senate’s bill, then isn’t the other health care reconciliation bill in some way a different kind legislative entity (since it’s not the ‘meat and potatoes’ of health care)?
Hypocritical. Liar. Narcissist. Thug. Etc., etc., etc. Whatever name you personally choose to define Obama, in the end it all comes down to one particular name. Traitor. He is a traitor to the country, the constitution, and most of all, the people who actually voted him in(even though a large percentage of those don’t even know or agree to that).
And yet, even when you think you’ve seen it all from this oxygen bandit, he proceeds to stun everyone(at least those of us who use our brains for more than a sponge of the latest pop culture craze). Apparently a judgeship has been offered to the brother of one of the house members who voted no on the first Obamacare installment. I am amazed at the audacity of it, yet, am not really too surprised, and won’t be tomorrow or the next day when something even more heinous is announced regarding this entire episode of legislative nightmare reality.
johngalt –
Sounds like you hate America under Obama. Well sorry to tell you, but you are probably looking at seven more years of the same.
My suggestion: if you are so outraged about how Obama is ruining America . . . why don’t you leave? Lots of disgruntled lefties did that in the 1940s through the 60s. So why don’t you, you know, emigrate to a country that is more suitable to you. Someplace with a tax system you like, no welfare system, no government to get in your business and tell you how to run your reardon metal mine. Start scouting out a new home if you are so pissed off.
You know what I suspect? You aren’t going anywhere. You are just going to stay here a whine and b*tch and moan about how everything sucks. But guess what? You are not going anywhere . . . you will be still whining in 2015 like you are now. Because, at its worse, America is really a nice place to live. And you know it. And it will pain you to admit it, but when you are still here in 2015, whining about something else Obama did, you very presence will prove that he did a decent job.
@Hove: The House is being asked to cut an unprecedented deal and agree to accept the Senate bill as is with the promise that the Senate will support a reconcilition bill.
This is just more of the dealmaking and sleazy process that people have become so angry about.
rbob, that is total bs. we are looking at the most 3 more nightmare years of badodor! good luck with that type of thinking. take a look at the white house and see how that is selling. NOT
Hey @ButtRub: I see your fresh batch of George Soros supplied Liagra arrived right in time.
XFD at comments in this thread. Can’t tell if anyone is actually serious.
Frog blast the vent core.
If you get the reference, you get vitural cookie of cutting though the confusion.
The comments go serious until certain vistor posts, then it’s just a, “Heyyyy… the village idiot is stuck in the outhouse again. Kick someone toss a pissed off badger and raccoon in there and lock the door!”
@Hove: Pelosi doesn’t have the votes to pass the Senate bill. She counted those noses long ago…
@Mike’s America: I do believe the… as we called it in the sound biz… “fix it in the mix” option is also by the wayside. Don’t think any incumbent up in midterms wants to explain why he gave away the hamburger on the promise of being paid tomorrow. And now there are more promises that are supposed to include the GOP suggestions.
Mata “SHOW ME THE BILL!” Harley
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Mike — what is with the oh so subtle references to gay sex? You want to come out to FA or something? I’m sure they will have no problem with you being “that way.” It is easier to hate gays in the abstract than when you know them. So come on out, Mike! We’ll still love you!
Mata — Here is the problem for you guys. The Dems will pass the Senate bill. It is a done deal. Then you cons will have the same kind of dilemma that prisoners facing a possible death penalty have: do I deal now, or take a chance that I can beat it? If the GOPers want to be useful, they will conference with the Dems in the House and the Senate and get with the program.
I know why you GOPers are REALLY opposing this: you are most afraid that it will work, just as the CBO predicts. Employers will find that, with a better federal safety net, they can trim their own health insurance spending and save jobs. Insurers will note that they have more healthy people in the pool and premiums will ease. Hospitals will breath a sigh of relief because the individual mandate means no more uninsured 23 year old auto accident victims threatening the hospital’s budgets. And entrepreneurs will no longer feel that they can’t take a job with a start up because of health insurance coverage issues. That is the fear — not that Obamacare will ruin anything, but that it will work and he and the Dems will get all the credit.
So my prediction . . . GOPers will work on reconciliation . . . and they will work HARD. Oh, not a lot of them will vote for it, but they will be involved. Because the GOPers do not have the balls to sit back and let the Dems get all the glory. If GOPers are to take credit for Dem work on this one*, they know they will have to be involved so they can say “our changes in blah blah blah made the Obamacare bill work.” So let’s stop the charade and just get this done.
*unlike the GOPers claiming credit for stimulus jobs that they opposed creating in the first place.
Mata Harley said: ‘Pelosi doesn’t have the votes to pass the Senate bill. She counted those noses long ago…’
NYT:
Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she is confident she will be able to get the votes needed to pass sweeping health care legislation in the House, even if it threatens the political careers of some members of her party.
In an interview carried Sunday on ABC’s “This Week,” Ms. Pelosi said she was working on changes to a Senate-passed bill that would make it acceptable to the House.
…
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/01/us/politics/01talkshows.html?pagewanted=print
BRob
I am not leaving, nor will I ever leave. On that point you are 100 % correct. However, the reason I won’t leave has nothing to do with Obama doing a decent job, as you suggest. It has everything to do with fighting for my country. I gave ten and a half years to the military, in defense of our constitution(an oath), and now that I am a civilian, I will give what I can to still defend it, however that may happen.
It is laughable that you consider my post to be whining and bitching. By my reckoning, what you think we should all do is swallow the crap sandwich being fed to us daily, and shut up about it. Apparently you have forgotten that freedom of speech, in particular political freedom of speech, is still allowed. I would hazard a guess that you believe your ranting and railing against Bush and the GOP congress(before 2006 at least) was not whining and bitching, but patriotic dissent. Am I right? I would also hazard a guess that the constitution mattered to you then. What about now?
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Does the term loser mean anything to you guys? You lost the election. Now you complain that you don’t like what the winners are doing. Man up! Quit whining. You make no sense at all. That seems to be all conservatives want to do these days. Why is that? It’s pitiful.
John Galt, that was a nice overhand right to the center of the running lights.
Thank you for your service!
Butter Buns figures ‘he be’ serving also: The Obamanation of Marxist Lunacy.
Mr. Craig Travis. Yes, loser does mean something to us “guys”. However, we didn’t lose the election, nor did you, nor did anyone in this country. The people elected those serving to represent them, even if individually your vote was for “the other guy”. The “whining” you seem to want to talk about is our constitutional right, just like your little rant there, to protest what our elected leaders and representatives want to push on us. Are we supposed to sit down, shut up and just eat the BS being fed to us? Did you think the same back in the early 2000′s when the other side was in power? My guess is no. It is not pitiful, however much you wish it to be so. It is a constitutional right, and, I daresay, the duty, of every citizen in this country to either defend or oppose what our elected officials want to push on us. On healthcare, you, apparently, want to defend it, but instead you want to shout down the opposition, instead of winning in the arena of intelligent thought. If you have something intelligent to talk about to buttress your position of being for this monstrosity, by all means, have at it. If all you want to do is describe our positions by renaming them, instead of arguing their merits, then you might want to go to another site where you will be accepted more willingly.
I see B-Rob the Liar is still in denial. The first step to recovery is admitting there’s a problem.
Skookum, thanks for the praise. The constitution is very important to me, and it seems, most of the crew here. I served to not only allow people like BRob and Mr. Travis to post their lunacy, but also for like-minded individuals to have outlets for their ideas and thoughts. The very idea that people would rather we sit down, shut up and swallow everything fed to us goes against everything I believe, and historically, what our founding fathers believed as well.
While Obama did win the Presidential Office, many of those who cry, “You lost! Get over it and accept the events to come” are ignorant of what the Exceutive branch’s duties are. Many of most of what Obama is attempting to do falls squarely in Congress’s and Seanate’s lap, of which is dominated by Democrats. As in, while the Republicans are painted as the Party of No it is ironic that it is the Democrats resisting Democrats as to why this bloated massive bill have not gone though legaly. So while you may have, “won” the Presidential seat Brob and Craig, your ideologies have hardly won in the Congress or Senate.
Infact many Democrats who were for forcing this Healthcare reform in Congress have either jumped ships to the Republican side or retire altogether in Nov of this year to avoid the civil backlashes they will experience in their local communities they represent when they head home. This retirement and/or party transitioning means the Congress is losing roughly 10 votes. The Congress bill passed with barely more votes in favor of the Democrats, this time if any attempts to pass the Senate bill without any alterations in Congress the votes are not there and the Democrats are at a population disadvantage. On the Senate side Democrats do not accept many pieces in the Congress bill, as to why Reconciliation will be a nightmare as they can barely get even 48 Democrats to agree to the Congress bill that has no langauge the Senators wanted. Key words: “What the senators wanted.”
As others have pointed out this is a Democratic Republic, where the Congress are voted to Represent the People interest and the Senators are either picked by the State ruling body or voted by people to represent the State’s interests. Just because a Congressman wins a vote does not mean that Congressman can dictate to his voting base what their opinions should be or what their values shold be. Legaly, that is unconsitutional and an act that is deemed impeaceable at a State level if the State has such laws (some do). The People dictate what interests the Congressman is supposed to represent on the Hill, even if what interests the people have violate his own personal views. The Congressman had taken a sworn oath to uphold the interests of his voters, not force his interests on his voters. The anger in town halls and across the nation is very real as millions of Americans struggling to survive are being told their interests as communities are pointless and they should conform to the views of the ones they had elected to represent their communities. The American Revolution broke out due to a Government attempting to surpress and forcefuly conform people to oppressive laws.
I like it when ButtRub makes predictions!
Cuz then we are assured it will never come to pass.
Worse. Lawyer. Ever.
JOHNGALT your words are taken more seriously because you earn the right to speak ,more than thoses who seek to disrupt with deceiving words,bye
@Patvann:
Patvann!!
Where the Hell have you been?
And who signed your permission slip to be gone so long?
Can you tell I’ve noticed your absence?
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@Patvann: Yeah, where have you been hiding? You weren’t abducted by George Soros or some Ron Paul cultists were you?
I’m with Patvann… and BTW, welcome back, guy. billy bob, your predictions have been duly noted. As well as your usual pompous assertations as to why people believe as they do. You’ve got a real deity-complex problem goin’ there.
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Politico44:
” Rep. Joseph Crowley (D-N.Y.) tells reporters after a 30-minute meeting among President Obama and fellow House Democrats, “I think when all is said and done, we will have the votes to pass health care reform.”
The House will pass the Senate bill most probably. Even Stupak & Co. are warming up to it now.
Therefore, it will have had 60 votes from the Senate.
br, i needed a good laugh and your predictions are funny. look the story is that many of us are actually former democrats before they changed the name to dimocrats. that is dim for dim witted. hades will freeze over before i’ll ever assoicate my vote and name to those crass, power hungry idiots who claim to work for america. good luck with your increasingly lonely crusade.