you got gmail MATA

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@skh.pcola, allow me to also bid you welcome to FA. Please limit your lurking, as voices are always welcomed. Even those like billy bob’s.

INRE your comment that billy bob’s comment about the deficit amount was “….so far off on your estimate of GWBush era deficits that the error rebuts the majority of your naive and shrill diatribe. I do know that you are thinking of Bush’s $480 bil approx deficit vs billy bob’s figure.

In all fairness, billy bob was playing gross debt figures. Perhaps he was figuring some of us would be dumb enough to compare the gross debt of Bush vs Obama’s “net” debt (so he thinks because of fiscal years and implementation… heh) of $1.2 tril as of the end of 2009. Nope… we don’t play that game. You want to play marbles with apples? Then both of us play marbles with apples.

In order to compare billy bob’s quoted gross figures to today’s Obama’s gross deficits, I had to resort to the same gross figures. Which @ I did in my response comment above.

I probably should have been more disclosing in that the $1.2 tril that billy bob blames on Bush is the 2009 figure, which was passed in 2008 by the Dem held Congress. However that budget occurred during Obama’s first year, and not Bush’s last year. Technically, Bush’s last year gross budget deficit was $998 bil. Again, that is the product of a Pelosi/Reid Congress. In fact, since the Dems took hold of both chambers to projected 2010 budgets, the gross budget deficit has risen 33% in three years of Dem reign. Approx 16% between 2008-09, and another 12% between 2009-10.

Shall I also project the (usually conservative and low) estimate for the Big Zero’s election year? That would be $1.66 tril gross budget deficit, and 100.6% of the GDP. Also 69.6% of that will then be held by the taxpayers, thanks to Obama voters.

Thus my question to billy bob: “How proud are you?”

But, for clarification, here’s a common graph. We use pictures for billy bob, since he’s reading challenged.

@Ms. Bees… do fill me in on your “Afghanistan disaster” off forum. I must be missing that one in my forum travels. But I didn’t want to muck up the thread with an Stans diversion. But I am most interested.

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MATA you have a lot of patience do you already know about my saying of Aghanistan disaster?

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billy bob: And I already posted the Rachel Maddow clips of GOPers taking credit for the jobs created by the stimulus bill projects so, at a minimum, y’all need to get control of your own troops before claiming that the stimulus did not work.

And I’ve already posted Mata’s “Hollywood insider review” of your touted “madcow” segment. It’s called two thumbs down, a less than brilliant snow job/propaganda piece, and based on more than a decade of post production film/TV experience.

I repeat here, in case you can’t handle two threads at once… if you want adept talent for producing propaganda, I’m your girl. Will I do it? My soul and principles ain’t for sale, unlike MadCow’s.

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billy bob: Don’t talk about tax cuts; tell me about spending cuts.

Let’s put this one in simple pictures and O’bonics you can understand. Watch the movie, “Dave”, and the simple concept put forth. Like audit/edit/cut agency by agency of waste and bureaucratic do’nothings. Plus the money they control. Piece by piece, eliminate the fiscal turds causing indigestion.

Any private industry that wants to succeed has to do this every year. Why? They aren’t just sucking dry the US taxpayer by presenting them with a snow job. The time the government (all levels) get the the message that the taxpayer is NOT a bottomless pit of bailout cash is the time they start getting wise.

Problem is, that moment never seems to happen with the elistists in power (both parties, but most especially your party, billy bob…)

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More billy bob gems of mis’education

Bush’s last budget had a $1.3 trillion deficit.

Yes it was… that is if you want to blame Bush for 2009. And technically it was $1.23 tril. Now, shall we discuss who holds the nation’s purse strings? Or is that beyond your Chicago education, Mr. Lawyer?

From the Bush admin/GOP held congress, the budget … sorry, meant gross debt, was between 57% to 65% of the GDP in gross billions, undeflated.

Since the time Pelosi/Reid took reins in 2007, to Obama today, that has jumped to 86% of the GDP in a single year… 2009. The pre’estimates for 2010 is at 98.1% of the GDP in gross billions, undeflated. And none of this encompasses the interest/debt service.

Now tell us how proud you are…. especially in light of the results @predicted by “da one” I point out above?

Memo to Obama… economist post presidential job possibility? Nope…. Math teacher? Not a chance. Snake oil salesman? 100% change of employment.

And, no, you posting a bunch of economists who were anti-stimulus also misses the point.

I see… we should be posting a bunch of economists who supported the stimulus. The stimulus that is far from “stimulating”. huh? I think we’ve had enough of those that say “yo! can’t you see this is working? Just you wait, Henry Higgins, just you wait”.

“if the Federal gov’t would tighten their belt, the economy would start to recover.”

By this, wodiej implied that if government contracted spending, then the economy would start to recover. By contracting spending, I take him to mean spend less, running no deficit, etc.

The government does need to spend less, and apply the spending they do more productively. It is you who decided to simply take a blanket assumption and run with it… sans any fiscal logic.

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Thanks, Aye Chihuahua. I have visited on and off for quite a while, but have never piped up. I enjoyed the comment thread as much as the original post. I’ll try to keep up with those who know the regulars here.

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@skh.pcola:

skh,

First, welcome to FA.

What an astute observation and stellar first post!

Make yourself at home, and stick around awhile.

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Oh, Brob,

Forgot about my buddies at Orco Supply in CA – filed for BK

http://www.constructiondistribution.com/web/online/News/HEADLINE-NEWS/2$647

Owners of 2 rebar facilities.

Someone forgot to tell them about the stimulus.

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BRob, you are so far off on your estimate of GWBush era deficits that the error rebuts the majority of your naive and shrill diatribe. Go do some more research and get back to us.

Further, you demonstrate a remarkable inability to recognize irony when you ask (hopefully tongue-in-cheek), “OK, I’ll bite: how do you do it? How would you have “gotten” the $787 billion in people’s hands on $2 trillion in revenues?” Here’s one clue: The money never leaves the Peoples’ hands unless the confiscatory policies of the government (at all levels) removes it by force of law. So, simply, the government could have simply reduced taxes (of all varieties–income, payroll, sales, etc.) and the $ would have REMAINED in the Peoples’ hands. I’m surprised that your self-identified superior intellect couldn’t suss this out by itself.

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