If this goes through, the legislation will undoubtedly result in Democrats providing a killing blow to their own party’s electoral support. The reason many people don’t have health insurance is because they can not afford it. This bill will NOT make it more affordable for people who are barely making ends meet. Nor will these families be able to afford to pay the fines for “not having health insurance.” And it wont do anything at all to improve healthcare int the four years before it actually starts. At the same time, this bill will raise taxes and the cost of living with out doing a damn thing to bring down the costs of health care.

The 2010 elections will go poorly for Dems, and as I expect Obama and the remaining Dems will continue this current path, 2012 will go worse. The following years, this “health care plan” will go into action and make getting medical treatment a true nightmare. At that point, the Democratic party will be dumped by voters because “the Dems own this” (and woe to them even more if their party succeds in getting “cap and trade” passed. It may not be a landslide for Republicans either, as I think that will be the point when third parties will really take off, but I think Republicans will get a definate boost.

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Below is a letter sent by Indianapolis anesthesiologist, Dr. Stephen E. Frazer, to Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN):
Senator Bayh,
As a practicing physician I have major concerns with the health care bill before Congress. I actually have read the bill and am shocked by the brazenness of the government’s proposed involvement in the patient-physician relationship. The very idea that the government will dictate and ration patient care is DANGEROUS and certainly not helpful in designing a health care system that works for all.

Every physician I work with agrees that we need to fix our health care system, but the proposed bills currently making their way through congress WILL BE A DISASTER IF PASSED.
I ask you respectfully and as a patriotic American to look at the following troubling lines that I have read in the bill.
You cannot possibly believe that these proposals are in the best interests of the country and our fellow citizens… READ THESE CAREFULLY AND JUST IMAGINE WHAT COULD RESULT ………..
Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure!!
Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have NO choice!
Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens……….. illegal or otherwise.
Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals’ finances & a ‘National ID Health card’ WILL be issued!
Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have DIRECT ACCESS to your bank accounts for ELECTIVE funds transfer.
Page 65 Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations: (ACORN).
Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the ‘Exchange.’
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans–The Govt WILL ration your health care!
Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens.)
Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups (i.e. ACORN & Americorps) to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans.
(AARP members – your health care WILL be rationed!)
Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. ( NO choice.)
Page 12 4 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt monopoly.
Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/American Medical Association – The Govt WILL TELL YOU what salary you can make.
Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!)
Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees AND their families. (Employees shouldn’t get excited about this employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense) UNSUSTAINABLE.
Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll!
(See the last comment in parenthesis.)
Page 150 Lines 9-13:A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn’t provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.
Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is EXEMPT from individual taxes.
(Americans will pay.)
Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. WILL HAVE ACCESS to ALL Americans’ finances and personal records.
Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.”
(Yes, it really says that!) Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors.
(Low-income and the poor are affected.)
Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn’t matter what specialty you have trained yourself in – you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to tell me that’s not Socialism!)
Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor’s time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally — the value of humans.)
Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for “private” HC industries.
Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e… re-admissions).
Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission — the Govt will penalize you.
Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!)
Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.)
Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?)
Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: The Govt mandates establishment of 2 outcome-based measures… (HC the way they want — rationing.)
Page 341 Lines 3-9: The Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan)
Page 354 Sec 1177: The Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of ’special needs people!’ Unbelievable!
Page 379 Sec 1191: The Govt creates more bureaucracy via a “Tele-Health Advisory Committee.” (Can you say HC by phone?)
Page 425 Lines 4-12: The Govt mandates “Advance-Care Planning Consult.” (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.)
Page 425 Lines 17-19: The Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it’s mandatory!)
Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an “approved” list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called ‘assisted suicide.’)
Page 427 Lines 15-24: The Govt mandates a program for orders on “end-of-life.” (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!)
Page 429 Lines 1-9: An “advanced-care planning consultant” will be used frequently as a patient’s health deteriorates.
Page 429 Lines 10-12: An “advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?)
Page 429 Lines 13-25: The GOVT will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order. (I wouldn’t want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!)
Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end-of-life! (Again — no choice!)
Page 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations. (Hello? ACORN Medical Services here!?!)
Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy.
(Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.)
Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.
Senator, I guarantee that I personally will do everything possible to inform patients and my fellow physicians about the dangers of the proposed bills you and your colleagues are debating.
Furthermore, if you vote for a bill that enforces socialized medicine on the country and destroys the doctor-patient relationship, I will do everything in my power to make sure you lose your job in the next election.
Respectfully,

Stephen E. Fraser, MD
Dear Reader, I urge you to use the power that you were born with (and the power that may soon be taken away) and circulate this letter to as many people as you can reach. The “Power of the People” can stop this from happening to us, our parents, our grandparents, our children, and to following generations.

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Thanks for clarifying that, @Mr. Irons So many bills, and so much left over information.

The section 163 checker was speaking of was in the summer bill – HR 3200. However the bill that passed was HR 3962, and there are none of those changes to the IRC in that bill.

Granted, it’s a 1900 page monstrosity, and perhaps I’ve missed it. Anyone may feel free to backcheck my searches and point out any such infringment into personal or business bank accounts. But my various searches in the proper sections reveals no changes to IRC code that allows such access for “auto pay”. Mr. Irons in #25 is correct that any such mandate wouldn’t see the light of day outside a courtroom.

They are, if I remember rightly (but who’s seen a “final” bill….) still mandating insurance status get reported via the IRS. And that is the tie that “binds”. I’m wondering if even that method of reporting is Constitutional.

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He is making reference, MataHarley, to Section 163 of the Healthcare bill that passed the Congress which grants the IRS instant automatic withdraw services on any banking account at any time.

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@checkers, source on what you say, please? Heinous as this bill is, I’m quite sure they wouldn’t be so obviously stupid as to build in “auto pay” from individual bank accounts. Too easy to bust…

The last legislation I saw is this is run thru the IRS. You will declare and prove as part of your tax return… and you will pay the penalty if you do not as part of your tax return. That gives you about a year’s grace until your mortgage lender (assuming you have one) starts placing their own demands on your payment for being in the arrears to the IRS.

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The only time Government is legaly allowed to a private bank account assests is if the subject in question is possibly violating a Federal offense. And that power is only to freeze the assets, not the power to withdraw. Section 163 of the Congress verison of this bloated nightmare violates current banking laws already in effect that prevent Federal Government branches from even remotely taking a dime out of a bank account without Account user consent (aka the user sending a check for IRS payments). Then again I guess if you don’t buy what is in essence a forced Government Monopoly then you’ll be a Federal Law violator and could see everything from your bank accounts/credit union accounts, home, cars, future destroyed within the same year you get hauled to prison. There is a reason Van Jones called for the use of a Gulag Economy, and people jailed for Healthcare violations would make for a great population boom to cheap Gulag labor. The Soviet Union’s bulk labor force was Gulag labor, and our White House Czars want just that. We’re already seeing that happening with Green Technologies with legit workers being laid off and the company resulting to Prisoner labor in reguards to policies that Van Jones sat forth before leaving.

http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/C1354B9A-1530-4A24-A501-E54E029031CB/

Section 163, if it survives the final form of the bill, will lead to massive fraud and scandals and millions of people penny-less. It is disturbing how many people in American today willingly embrace the very policies that caused the collapse of the Soviet Union and the untold suffering of millions of Russians.

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Good luck with that plan.
From my understanding the proposed way the government gets your payment for the insurance they require you to buy is that this bill gives them access to your banking accounts. If you fail to pay then the amount is automatically deducted from your account. As is the fine. If that fails they will garnish your wages. So, unless you live entirely in an underground secret economy and keep no identifiable records the US government will confiscate what they wish.

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Taqiyyotomist said: “Having studied the histories of China, Germany, Poland, Cambodia, the U.S.S.R., and the Ukraine, I would have to respectfully, and completely, disagree.”

You need to spend less time on those histories and more on ours. None of those countries had 90,000,000+ gun owners, most well-trained from the military service, many who can engage a target at >300 meters…

As the man said, “Don’t fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here.”

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skatzbert said:
“If all else fails, this may be the way to defeat it. Mass resistance. They can’t throw 500,000 people in jail.”

Having studied the histories of China, Germany, Poland, Cambodia, the U.S.S.R., and the Ukraine, I would have to respectfully, and completely, disagree.

Governments can, and have, done worse, all for the good of the State. We now have a government in place in the United States that is composed of people who variously idolize the likes of Mao Tse Tung, whose government slaughtered more than seventy million of its citizens. They call him a great man, a great philosopher.

Be very careful when you say “They can’t do X”, no matter how heinous “X” may be. They have, and they can – and if this experiment in foisting communism and socialism on an unwilling population continues, we’ll see that the results are not only the same as the results from all the other times in human history when this experiment has been tried, but even worse, given that our level of technology is, in 2009, far higher and more efficient than it was in those previous slaughters I mentioned.

Obama and Company might see Mao, Stalin, and, yes, screw Godwin (and all who would use his damned name in debate) with a big rubber ****, Hitler, and say to themselves, “WE CAN DO BETTER” Citius, altius, fortius, and all that.

“You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.” -B.H.O.

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@Nancy

SO SAY WE ALL!!!!

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