You guys are funny ! It is as if the last 30 yrs never existed and you just now woke up.

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[...] Chrismas Eve, and instead of sugar plums dancing in my head, I can’t get Wordsmith’s post about Obama’s latest Executive Order out of my mind. It is like a kid getting his first jigzaw puzzle… my mind twists and turns [...]

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@ MataHarley… thanks for the link and to all whom have handed Mooseballs a verbal tounge-lashing….. touche!

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So according to moose, if we aren’t out there trying to violently overthrow the government we aren’t sincere about our beliefs. We are frauds.
Reminds me of the chickenhawk strawman.

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@Ryan

Nice post.

I’ve read every word of Mr. Hodges. I recommend it to everyone here. More importantly, I recommend sending his site-link to the Republican Party headquarters.

I joined the SeALs under Clinton in 1979. Young man, you have a good mind, a bright future, and I tip my hat to you. If there’s anything I can help you with, just ask. Now get out there and run holding barbells till you drop. Then do it again. Then again.

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@Donald Bly, the Newsbusters hotlink above offers the original, the amended via Clinton, and italics for the further amendments via Obama. All strip access to the INTERPOL databases, files, property and assets. When Reagan granted INTERPOL int’l organization immunity status, he limited their immunities INRE that class. (explained in my O’s Executive Order: immunity for Obama? post)

@Ryan: an articulate comeback to the emotional tirades and empty promises from mooseface. You come back with data and facts, and all moose can muster is the schooyard taunt akin to “you’ll get yours”…. and “we just ignore you”. LOL!

But then, that’s about all that side has… long on emotions and taunts, and short on facts and knowledge of history. I swear, my favorite part of that hodgepodge of hormones from moose was:

I have been in a position of leadership before, and I know first hand that the easiest and most cowardly thing to do to folks is to whip them up into a frenzy about issues by playing on their fears, that is not leadership that is chicken shit cowardice and using the mob mentality for your own self promotional purposes.

uh ahem… like the entire “image” campaign of Obama, perhaps? The continual “pass this now or we’re in deep shit” spending bill after bill this year? The global warming scare?? Have to pass this health care bill NOW, but oh… BTW… you get to pay for the benefits for four years before you get them. Yeah… gonna save $132 bil on deficits.. but that’s because you’re paying four years that you’re not getting benefits for. aHEM?

Lawdy, people like moosemeat must think we all just fell off the turnip truck if he believes we buy BS like that.

Yeah, moose. I agree completely with what you said above… the fear mongering that this POTUS and his merry band of Congressional thieves have been engaging in sure ain’t leadership. You labeled it exactly right… a self-promotional mob mentality and chicken shit cowardice. Apparently you’re quite proud of your Congress leaders and POTUS doing just that. Excellent point. Again, thank you for your perfected impression of your party mascot…..

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I don’t support the Patriot Act, but I also don’t have a conspiracy theorists mindset in regards to those who think that it’s necessary. If the Patriot Act is such a bad law and Obama believes in a change from the old style government, then why is he pushing for a renewal of all the key parts of it after they expire this Thursday?

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Mooseburger

Sarcasm is one of your better skills?!?! Dood. You suck at it. If you honestly think that, than every other thing you do must be as successful a man with no arms and no legs swimming across the English channel.

Get the f**k away from us.

Less than a week ago, you were all about supporting and defending everything Obama has ever done, or will ever do. Now all of a sudden you put on the veneer of militancy and are one degree away from advocating violence.

Get the f**k away from us.

The owner of this site is a police officer. No one but you are pushing for acts of violence, except in a theoretical, and rhetorical sense. If someone ever does, Curt will bust them, and I will inform my FBI friends. In less than half a heartbeat.

Get the f**k away from us.

The one thing assholes like you will never get about us “cons” is that we take our oaths, and our laws seriously. We will take back our country from neo-coms like you through the ballot, and through educating our neighbors.

Get the f**k away from us.

I want you to read this next sentence very carefully… The office of the president is not about the man who presently occupies it, and if I had the chance to take a bullet for Obama, I would not hesitate for one nanosecond. I do not fear the sheepdogs who wear the uniform, be it camo, or blue.

Get the f**k away from us.

If you think you can “bait” us into advocating violence, then you are sadly mistaken. If you continue spouting such crap, I am sure between Curt and myself, we can make you go away for a very long time. I ASSURE YOU.

Get the f**k away from us.

You are mentally ill, you are dangerous to yourself, and need help. FIND IT. Please.

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Mooseburger said; “unbelievable Military spending”

Military spending is around four percent of GDP, nothing close to an unbelievable amount. It was an amount that did not change much when the Democratic Party took control of Congress despite making the same preposterous assertion you are making now. I would hardly think that four percent would be much to throw a petulant two year olds temper tantrum over for your safety, which the military more than adequately maintains.

Take into account the research institute ITERATE which it states that terrorism is shrinking in the numbers of madrasas, recruitment, and support from the Middle Eastern and the North African general public. It cites heightened public, law enforcement/emergency worker, and military vigilance in the region as the main cause. The second cause is the madrasas are closing shop because of the lack of adequate recruits or being shut down because the military is discovering them. Madrasas are closing at a rate three times faster than they are getting built.

Other institutions that are finding similar results include the Lieu Institute for Research on Global Issues in the University of British Columbia (via the Human Security Report volume one 2005, part one changing face of violence), and the RAND corporation which tracks all of Al Quedas attacks from North Africa to the Persian Gulf and Black Sea. Researching whether terrorism is really getting stronger provides results that contradict all those who oppose the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and claim terrorism is on the rise. To claim spending four percent of our GDP is excessive for what the military does is absurd.

As for health care bill that recently passed, it’s not what the democrats have envisioned and nothing close to a victory for them. For the most part, a public option and universal health care have been the meat and the potatoes of their campaign regarding health care reform. They wanted a public option and in the beginning it was a part of the original bill, but it was removed solely because of the concerns it generated from both major parties, moderates, and independents.

The current bill has more than 150 Republican amendments in it, and more negotiations are scheduled for January before the bill has to pass both legislative chambers again. It is often claimed that the only aim conservatives have is to delay the enactment of this bill, never to find any common ground. Well, why is it that the bill that had just passed didn’t include most of the finance committee versions proposals when they agreed a long time ago to include them before voting on the bill? The exclusion of these proposals when they were supposed to be common ground makes the claim that conservatives don’t care for negotiation look self-contradictory. Actions speak louder than words and the Democratic party is shouting to the roof tops “We Lied!”

I am “responsible for the position I am in?” I am in the same position that every American is in. No way am I responsible for the nearly tripled deficit Obama and the Democratic Congress has put us in because when they said that more spending was needed, I made it clear with many other Americans that we didn’t think so. I am not responsible for the current abysmal economy that is happening largely because of the damages from the “hide the debt scandals” (Grandfather Federal Economic Debt Report by Michael Hodges) that had taken place throughout more than three Congresses prior to the start of the previous presidents tenure.

According to Hodges, social spending reached new all-time highs each decade since the 1960s and is almost entirely responsible for the heightened debt and declining dollar, which lead to increases in cost for all services and goods in this country. It also caused a decline in the value of properties and the stock of the companies that helped finance them, giving it a slice of the responsibility for the popping of the recent housing bubble. 50 years of hazardous economic and spending habits from the United States Congress isn’t my responsibility. Especially since 38 years of it happened under the watch of the party that I do not support, the Democratic party.

What’s really funny is that I am not the one losing it in this thread, yet you’re telling me to take my medicine? The only medicine here is your own, and I am just giving you a taste of it. In fact, bringing up the whole Obama hates America notion in response to me when I have said nothing to imply that I felt Obama feels that way shows the lack of substance in your commentary.

I don’t hate Obama, nor do I feel he hates this country, but I feel I have valid reasons to disagree with him. You say that “I’ll get mine,” well I am way ahead of you because I already got it. Here’s how; having registered to vote the day I turned 18 years old 3 years ago makes it my duty and legitimate for me to be passionately vocal about my stances. Despite the fact that I don’t see eye to eye with our president doesn’t change the fact that I want to serve in the U.S. Navy one day and become a member of the SEAL teams. Being concerned that the battles I will win will be used by Obama and/or his followers as a weapon to bolster themselves on the topic of National Security doesn’t hinder me from holding on to this aspiration dearly because service is something that I honor and cherish. It is a blessing that I hope to give to my fellow countrymen and fellow man in general including yourself. Merry Christmas.

My Sources: For the record, my statements have plenty of substance. Here’s where I get my veracity.

-NPS (Naval Post-Graduate School) web page.
http://www.hsdl.org/hslog/?q=node/4150

-The Human Security Report itself.
http://www.humansecuritybrief.info/HSRP_Brief_2007.pdf

-Four percent of GDP goes to military spending.
UN World Almanac 2008 version, and the CIAs World Fact Book.

-Grandfather Federal Economic Debt Report by Michael Hodges.
http://mwhodges.home.att.net/debt_a.htm

P.S.-I would include the ITERATE report itself, but you need to be subscribed to access the full report. I was able to access it with the help of my local library, and through my schools Lexis Nexis engine because I don’t have to subscribe for it in those places.

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moose, you can sometimes be so disassociated with reality that you simply embarrass yourself.

The Edwin Vieira fringe birther left has about as much clout with the conservative and fiscally concerned tea party attendees as William Ayers has in common with you. Or maybe I have you wrong and you are a straight from the heart, unapologetic socialist.

Your problem is you see a different voice, and you automatically lump us all as extremists. Conversely, I look at you and your party, and I automatically lump you all as gullible illiterates. Something you tend to confirm every time you post.

Keep it up… we just love watching you imitate your party’s mascot.

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