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	<title>Comments on: Reid Included Language In ObamaCare Bill That Ensures No Future Congress Can Repeal The Monstrosity</title>
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		<title>By: Dupin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dupin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The argument that &quot;the Republicans did it as well&quot; is fallacious on its face.

Cite me one clear example where the Republicans did it on legislation as major and far-reaching as this!  The rule was designed for certain circumstance and within certain limits and as far as I know the Republicans stayed within those boundaries.  The Democrats are throwing out all boundaries and using this in a manner it was never meant to be used.  That is the bottom line.

They condemned the Republicans with fury when Republicans merely threatened to use the nuclear option to stop unwarranted Democratic obstructionism of Bush appointment.  Yet here they are using that very nuclear option to muscle through something the American public has made crystal clear it doesn&#039;t work.  Since they lack the votes to go it right, they are now misapplying parliamentary rules to get their way.  They will never have the moral credibility to ever question anything the Republicans do again, ever!

Instead of &quot;draining the swamp,&quot; Pelosi and company have made it even deeper, sleazier, and fetid than it has ever been with the help of their messiah, Barry Sotero (Obama).  We need to make a point of making them regret it come November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>The argument that &#8220;the Republicans did it as well&#8221; is fallacious on its face.</p>
<p>Cite me one clear example where the Republicans did it on legislation as major and far-reaching as this!  The rule was designed for certain circumstance and within certain limits and as far as I know the Republicans stayed within those boundaries.  The Democrats are throwing out all boundaries and using this in a manner it was never meant to be used.  That is the bottom line.</p>
<p>They condemned the Republicans with fury when Republicans merely threatened to use the nuclear option to stop unwarranted Democratic obstructionism of Bush appointment.  Yet here they are using that very nuclear option to muscle through something the American public has made crystal clear it doesn&#8217;t work.  Since they lack the votes to go it right, they are now misapplying parliamentary rules to get their way.  They will never have the moral credibility to ever question anything the Republicans do again, ever!</p>
<p>Instead of &#8220;draining the swamp,&#8221; Pelosi and company have made it even deeper, sleazier, and fetid than it has ever been with the help of their messiah, Barry Sotero (Obama).  We need to make a point of making them regret it come November.</p>
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		<title>By: John Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CONGRESS MIGHT PASS THE HEALTH BILL WITHOUT VOTING ON IT: A STEP CLOSER TO TYRANNY

There was a time when I wouldn&#039;t believe that members of congress would be so out of touch with the American people that they would have to resort to underhanded tactics to thwart the will of the people.

Well, Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, is thinking of doing just that. Representative Louise Slaughter (D-NY) came up with what is now known as the “Slaughter Solution” or &quot;Deem and Pass&quot; that will let the House of Representatives deem the Senate Health Bill as passed in the House without any representative voting on it. Once they use this outrageous procedure, the house leadership can then have additional language inserted into the bill that will satisfy those House Democrats who oppose the bill in its original form.

Meanwhile, in order for Senate Democrats to be able to use the Reconciliation procedure – a procedure that circumvents the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster – the House must pass the Senate Bill &#039;as is&#039;, with the exact same wording, before changes can be made. However, the Democratic leadership in the House doesn&#039;t have enough votes to do that and one of the biggest reasons is that the Senate Bill has a provision that allows for taxpayer funded abortions.

I believe that the Slaughter Solution is not only dishonest and smacks of dirty tricks, but I also believe that it is unconstitutional as is most of the legislation that congress has passed in recent years. Article I, Section VII, Clause II of the U.S. Constitution clearly states: &quot;...the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively...&quot; This newly invented &quot;Slaughter Solution&quot; clearly does not allow this type of procedure.

The Democratic leadership in the Senate has tried to assure the Democratic leadership in the House that if the House simply passes the bill as it is, the Senate will make changes amenable to the House after the fact. Pro-life House members, led by Bart Stupak (D-MI) are balking at this assurance and pointed to the hundreds of House bills that are currently still wallowing in the Senate. He also wants to see the changes in writing as he doesn&#039;t trust his own party&#039;s leaders.

If the Democratic leaderhip in the Senate imposes the &#039;Reconciliation Rule&#039; to pass this bill, unfortunately for them, that alone will not be enough to get the bill passed. The reconciliation procedure, also known as the &#039;Byrd Rule&#039; named after Senator Robert Byrd, is already extremely controversial. Senator Byrd is on the record in Congress saying his rule was “Never intended” to pass this kind of legislation, so the House leadership appears ready to adopt the Slaughter Solution instead. If the Slaughter Solution is instituted, the House of Representatives will actually pass the almost $875 billion bill without the members of the House actually voting on it. This is outrageous and smacks of something we would expect from the Russian politburo or a marxist dictatorship.

Although the &quot;Slaughter Solution&quot; or the &quot;deem and pass&quot; rule has been used in the past, it has never been used to pass legislation as momentous as the $875 billion health-care bill. It is one of three options that Nancy Pelosi said she is considering for a House vote, but she added that she prefers this method because it would politically protect lawmakers who are reluctant to publicly support the measure. What an outrageous statement, particulalrly in view of constitutional requirements of Article I, Section VII, Clause II previously mentioned in this article.

There is also a 1998 Supreme Court ruling, CLINTON v. CITY OF NEW YORK (97-1374), that said each house of Congress must approve the exact same text of a bill before it can become law. A self-executing &quot;deem and pass&quot; rule would sidestep that requirement, former federal appellate judge Michael McConnell said in a recent Wall Street Journal op-ed and it would be unconstitutional.

The American people have overwhelmingly rejected this bill, but the President and the Democrat leaders in both houses of congress seem intent on using misinformation, lies, deceit, bribery and any other questionable and unconstitutional procedure to ram this socialist legislation down the throats of the American people without a public discussion of the merits. Why?

We are fast approaching a point of no return in America. If our Marxist President and the Democratic-Socialist leadership in congress are successful in passing this Health Bill, they will be emboldened to pass other critical legislation on their agenda to bring a free America to its knees. If the Health Bill is passed, they will quickly move to pass an all-encompassing Amnesty Bill, followed by a massive Cap and Trade Bill, a National biometric ID Card Bill and then the takeover of America will be almost complete. All that will be left is for them to come for our guns.

Let us remember that at critical points in human history, only a few generations have been given the honor and privlege of defending &#039;Freedom&#039; in its maximum hour of danger.

In 1776, our founders&#039; generation were given the honor and privlege of defending &#039;Freedom&#039; in its maximum hour of danger, which resulted in the birth of this great nation that is still a beacon of hope to the freedom loving people of the world.

The generations of World War I and World War II were also given the honor and privlege of defending &#039;Freedom&#039; in its maximun house of danger.

Today in America, we again find ourselves in a critical point in history, for &#039;Freedom&#039; once again is in mortal danger, just as it was in 1776 and in WWI and WWII. Our generation is facing a different kind of mortal danger to our &quot;Freedom&#039; because that danger is not coming from some foreign country, king, dictator or enemy combatants, but it is coming from our own federal government.

Our Founders told us that “Governments get their just powers from the consent of the governed and whenever the government becomes destructive of these ends, it is not only the people&#039;s Right, but it is their sacred Duty to change the government. “

In 2010, we are now the generation that has been given the honor and privlege of defending &#039;Freedom&#039; in its maximum hour of danger and this is our time to perform that sacred duty. We must stand up, speak up and be willing to actively resist the growing unconstitutional actions of the our federal government that puts the interests of government leaders and the oligarchy ahead of the interests of the people. By definition, this is tryanny.

Let us act before it&#039;s too late, not just for ourselves, but for our children and our children&#039;s children. I pray to God that we will be successful, for the free people of the world are depending on us.

GOD BLESS A FREE AMERICA !!!!!!

John Wallace
www.TeaPartyRep.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>CONGRESS MIGHT PASS THE HEALTH BILL WITHOUT VOTING ON IT: A STEP CLOSER TO TYRANNY</p>
<p>There was a time when I wouldn&#8217;t believe that members of congress would be so out of touch with the American people that they would have to resort to underhanded tactics to thwart the will of the people.</p>
<p>Well, Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, is thinking of doing just that. Representative Louise Slaughter (D-NY) came up with what is now known as the “Slaughter Solution” or &#8220;Deem and Pass&#8221; that will let the House of Representatives deem the Senate Health Bill as passed in the House without any representative voting on it. Once they use this outrageous procedure, the house leadership can then have additional language inserted into the bill that will satisfy those House Democrats who oppose the bill in its original form.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, in order for Senate Democrats to be able to use the Reconciliation procedure – a procedure that circumvents the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster – the House must pass the Senate Bill &#8216;as is&#8217;, with the exact same wording, before changes can be made. However, the Democratic leadership in the House doesn&#8217;t have enough votes to do that and one of the biggest reasons is that the Senate Bill has a provision that allows for taxpayer funded abortions.</p>
<p>I believe that the Slaughter Solution is not only dishonest and smacks of dirty tricks, but I also believe that it is unconstitutional as is most of the legislation that congress has passed in recent years. Article I, Section VII, Clause II of the U.S. Constitution clearly states: &#8220;&#8230;the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively&#8230;&#8221; This newly invented &#8220;Slaughter Solution&#8221; clearly does not allow this type of procedure.</p>
<p>The Democratic leadership in the Senate has tried to assure the Democratic leadership in the House that if the House simply passes the bill as it is, the Senate will make changes amenable to the House after the fact. Pro-life House members, led by Bart Stupak (D-MI) are balking at this assurance and pointed to the hundreds of House bills that are currently still wallowing in the Senate. He also wants to see the changes in writing as he doesn&#8217;t trust his own party&#8217;s leaders.</p>
<p>If the Democratic leaderhip in the Senate imposes the &#8216;Reconciliation Rule&#8217; to pass this bill, unfortunately for them, that alone will not be enough to get the bill passed. The reconciliation procedure, also known as the &#8216;Byrd Rule&#8217; named after Senator Robert Byrd, is already extremely controversial. Senator Byrd is on the record in Congress saying his rule was “Never intended” to pass this kind of legislation, so the House leadership appears ready to adopt the Slaughter Solution instead. If the Slaughter Solution is instituted, the House of Representatives will actually pass the almost $875 billion bill without the members of the House actually voting on it. This is outrageous and smacks of something we would expect from the Russian politburo or a marxist dictatorship.</p>
<p>Although the &#8220;Slaughter Solution&#8221; or the &#8220;deem and pass&#8221; rule has been used in the past, it has never been used to pass legislation as momentous as the $875 billion health-care bill. It is one of three options that Nancy Pelosi said she is considering for a House vote, but she added that she prefers this method because it would politically protect lawmakers who are reluctant to publicly support the measure. What an outrageous statement, particulalrly in view of constitutional requirements of Article I, Section VII, Clause II previously mentioned in this article.</p>
<p>There is also a 1998 Supreme Court ruling, CLINTON v. CITY OF NEW YORK (97-1374), that said each house of Congress must approve the exact same text of a bill before it can become law. A self-executing &#8220;deem and pass&#8221; rule would sidestep that requirement, former federal appellate judge Michael McConnell said in a recent Wall Street Journal op-ed and it would be unconstitutional.</p>
<p>The American people have overwhelmingly rejected this bill, but the President and the Democrat leaders in both houses of congress seem intent on using misinformation, lies, deceit, bribery and any other questionable and unconstitutional procedure to ram this socialist legislation down the throats of the American people without a public discussion of the merits. Why?</p>
<p>We are fast approaching a point of no return in America. If our Marxist President and the Democratic-Socialist leadership in congress are successful in passing this Health Bill, they will be emboldened to pass other critical legislation on their agenda to bring a free America to its knees. If the Health Bill is passed, they will quickly move to pass an all-encompassing Amnesty Bill, followed by a massive Cap and Trade Bill, a National biometric ID Card Bill and then the takeover of America will be almost complete. All that will be left is for them to come for our guns.</p>
<p>Let us remember that at critical points in human history, only a few generations have been given the honor and privlege of defending &#8216;Freedom&#8217; in its maximum hour of danger.</p>
<p>In 1776, our founders&#8217; generation were given the honor and privlege of defending &#8216;Freedom&#8217; in its maximum hour of danger, which resulted in the birth of this great nation that is still a beacon of hope to the freedom loving people of the world.</p>
<p>The generations of World War I and World War II were also given the honor and privlege of defending &#8216;Freedom&#8217; in its maximun house of danger.</p>
<p>Today in America, we again find ourselves in a critical point in history, for &#8216;Freedom&#8217; once again is in mortal danger, just as it was in 1776 and in WWI and WWII. Our generation is facing a different kind of mortal danger to our &#8220;Freedom&#8217; because that danger is not coming from some foreign country, king, dictator or enemy combatants, but it is coming from our own federal government.</p>
<p>Our Founders told us that “Governments get their just powers from the consent of the governed and whenever the government becomes destructive of these ends, it is not only the people&#8217;s Right, but it is their sacred Duty to change the government. “</p>
<p>In 2010, we are now the generation that has been given the honor and privlege of defending &#8216;Freedom&#8217; in its maximum hour of danger and this is our time to perform that sacred duty. We must stand up, speak up and be willing to actively resist the growing unconstitutional actions of the our federal government that puts the interests of government leaders and the oligarchy ahead of the interests of the people. By definition, this is tryanny.</p>
<p>Let us act before it&#8217;s too late, not just for ourselves, but for our children and our children&#8217;s children. I pray to God that we will be successful, for the free people of the world are depending on us.</p>
<p>GOD BLESS A FREE AMERICA !!!!!!</p>
<p>John Wallace<br />
<a href="http://www.TeaPartyRep.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.TeaPartyRep.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Harry Reid And The Chamber Of Secrets : 101 Dead Armadillos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Reid And The Chamber Of Secrets : 101 Dead Armadillos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Harry Reid has made a mockery of our system of government. He has walked all over the U.S. Constitution, our existing laws, and he has tarnished the reputation of the United States Senate. From ignoring the law where legislation is concerned to bribing fellow members of the Senate to vote on this legislation, he is as corrupt as they come. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>[...] Harry Reid has made a mockery of our system of government. He has walked all over the U.S. Constitution, our existing laws, and he has tarnished the reputation of the United States Senate. From ignoring the law where legislation is concerned to bribing fellow members of the Senate to vote on this legislation, he is as corrupt as they come. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ditto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ditto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is patently absurd. Future Congresses are not legally beholden to follow past (wrongheaded) Congressional legislation that declares that &quot;(future) Congresses can not repeal the legislation that a past Congressional body made. What are these people, five year olds?

&quot;Oh yah! Well, we just made a rule that you can&#039;t overrule our rules, so nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyaaaaah, nyah!&quot;

Future Congresses can ALWAYS pass legislation that overrules past legislation, so long as it is not a Constitutional Amendment.

But wait! they can ALSO overrule that too by passing yet another Constitutional Amendment. (remember Prohibition?)

Either Harry Reid is a bigger fool than we give him credit for. or the people who believe these political tricks are fool-proof are, or maybe it&#039;s both. I can&#039;t honestly believe that anyone takes this seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>This is patently absurd. Future Congresses are not legally beholden to follow past (wrongheaded) Congressional legislation that declares that &#8220;(future) Congresses can not repeal the legislation that a past Congressional body made. What are these people, five year olds?</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh yah! Well, we just made a rule that you can&#8217;t overrule our rules, so nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyaaaaah, nyah!&#8221;</p>
<p>Future Congresses can ALWAYS pass legislation that overrules past legislation, so long as it is not a Constitutional Amendment.</p>
<p>But wait! they can ALSO overrule that too by passing yet another Constitutional Amendment. (remember Prohibition?)</p>
<p>Either Harry Reid is a bigger fool than we give him credit for. or the people who believe these political tricks are fool-proof are, or maybe it&#8217;s both. I can&#8217;t honestly believe that anyone takes this seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: mathman</title>
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		<dc:creator>mathman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am Ozymandias the Great.
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and Despair.
Naught else beside remains.

One of my favorite sonnets.
And appropriate in the case of this tyrannical usurpation of power, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I am Ozymandias the Great.<br />
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and Despair.<br />
Naught else beside remains.</p>
<p>One of my favorite sonnets.<br />
And appropriate in the case of this tyrannical usurpation of power, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Disturber</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/12/22/reid-included-language-in-obamacare-bill-that-ensures-no-future-congress-can-repeal-the-monstrosity/comment-page-1/#comment-260734</link>
		<dc:creator>Disturber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suppose that a future Senate, presumably controlled by Republicans, determined to enact legislation that effectively repealed the offending section.  Reid seems to be setting up a situation where such an action would violate the Senate&#039;s own rules.  Since the Courts will not review a claim that a legislative body acted ultra vires or outside of its own rules, the future Senate could get away with that action if the statute were otherwise properly enacted.  All a Court could do is to determine which of the conflicting laws was valid and it would do so by attempting to discern the legislative history of the two statutes, which, in theory, would shed light on what the Senate intended in each instance.  As there is no legislative history on this particular section, that would be a blind alley.   However, a subsequent Senate could &quot;make&quot; legislative history by stating in the record that the intention was to repeal the prior statute.   As long as the subsequent law was approved by the House and signed by the President, I don&#039;t see how the subsequent legislation would be held invalid on the basis of such a limiting provision in the earlier statute.  I think it is fundamental that a legislative body can always revisit its prior actions.

Disturber</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Suppose that a future Senate, presumably controlled by Republicans, determined to enact legislation that effectively repealed the offending section.  Reid seems to be setting up a situation where such an action would violate the Senate&#8217;s own rules.  Since the Courts will not review a claim that a legislative body acted ultra vires or outside of its own rules, the future Senate could get away with that action if the statute were otherwise properly enacted.  All a Court could do is to determine which of the conflicting laws was valid and it would do so by attempting to discern the legislative history of the two statutes, which, in theory, would shed light on what the Senate intended in each instance.  As there is no legislative history on this particular section, that would be a blind alley.   However, a subsequent Senate could &#8220;make&#8221; legislative history by stating in the record that the intention was to repeal the prior statute.   As long as the subsequent law was approved by the House and signed by the President, I don&#8217;t see how the subsequent legislation would be held invalid on the basis of such a limiting provision in the earlier statute.  I think it is fundamental that a legislative body can always revisit its prior actions.</p>
<p>Disturber</p>
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		<title>By: American Voter</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/12/22/reid-included-language-in-obamacare-bill-that-ensures-no-future-congress-can-repeal-the-monstrosity/comment-page-1/#comment-260726</link>
		<dc:creator>American Voter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m tired of being polite....this is no longer a slide into socialism. . .this is turning into a push for communism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I&#8217;m tired of being polite&#8230;.this is no longer a slide into socialism. . .this is turning into a push for communism.</p>
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		<title>By: Hankster58</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/12/22/reid-included-language-in-obamacare-bill-that-ensures-no-future-congress-can-repeal-the-monstrosity/comment-page-1/#comment-260723</link>
		<dc:creator>Hankster58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obummer and Company are now showing their TRUE colors.... Socialist Dictators.... there is no other explaination for the stuff they are now doing.... they KNOW they were only going to get one shot at this crap before the people woke up and started tossing them out.... so they want to spike the &quot;laws&quot; (EDICTS!!) they pass so as to make them irreversable?!?!?!?! ..... I have never in my life (51 years) or in my study of history EVER seen the like of this!!! Trials ought to be held, and maybe some necks stretched..... THAT is how evil and grievous I see this as... My God!!!

Banish the rest to a Commie Country of their choosing, maybe they would feel more at home THERE!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Obummer and Company are now showing their TRUE colors&#8230;. Socialist Dictators&#8230;. there is no other explaination for the stuff they are now doing&#8230;. they KNOW they were only going to get one shot at this crap before the people woke up and started tossing them out&#8230;. so they want to spike the &#8220;laws&#8221; (EDICTS!!) they pass so as to make them irreversable?!?!?!?! &#8230;.. I have never in my life (51 years) or in my study of history EVER seen the like of this!!! Trials ought to be held, and maybe some necks stretched&#8230;.. THAT is how evil and grievous I see this as&#8230; My God!!!</p>
<p>Banish the rest to a Commie Country of their choosing, maybe they would feel more at home THERE!!</p>
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		<title>By: American Voter</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/12/22/reid-included-language-in-obamacare-bill-that-ensures-no-future-congress-can-repeal-the-monstrosity/comment-page-1/#comment-260670</link>
		<dc:creator>American Voter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care if it has been done before. . .multiple wrongs do not make a right.

Warning: There are citizens so angry with this Congress/President. . .there are open air discussions of how to bring down the country(heard today at a grocery store check-out line, Rush Limbaugh&#039;s show, and in waiting room of a oil change store),. . .they feel they have nothing to lose at this point. . .

These politicians who think the average citizen is taking this lightly -- needs to think again. . .DeMint is being applauded but also criticized for not going far enough. . .and Harry Reid, et al, should start looking for another job. and/or a good attorney.

Jim DeMint -- God Bless You! ramp it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I don&#8217;t care if it has been done before. . .multiple wrongs do not make a right.</p>
<p>Warning: There are citizens so angry with this Congress/President. . .there are open air discussions of how to bring down the country(heard today at a grocery store check-out line, Rush Limbaugh&#8217;s show, and in waiting room of a oil change store),. . .they feel they have nothing to lose at this point. . .</p>
<p>These politicians who think the average citizen is taking this lightly &#8212; needs to think again. . .DeMint is being applauded but also criticized for not going far enough. . .and Harry Reid, et al, should start looking for another job. and/or a good attorney.</p>
<p>Jim DeMint &#8212; God Bless You! ramp it up!</p>
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		<title>By: Mockingbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mockingbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Florida has been trying to secede since 1861, and it&#039;s assured we&#039;re going to keep on trying.
I&#039;m still under the bridge on the Suwannee, in my own personal secession. Today&#039;s menu is 2 bluegills and a beef jerky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Florida has been trying to secede since 1861, and it&#8217;s assured we&#8217;re going to keep on trying.<br />
I&#8217;m still under the bridge on the Suwannee, in my own personal secession. Today&#8217;s menu is 2 bluegills and a beef jerky.</p>
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