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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/12/20/senate-democrats-break-filibuster-of-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-260669</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odd thing about those polls that the visiting extreme progressive-with-no-party-affiliation, @&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-260593&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tom Degan,&lt;/a&gt; hangs his hat upon.  There&#039;s quite a few caveats... i.e.&lt;a href=&quot;http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1378/political-news-iq-quiz&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt; an October Pew Research Polls does an issue knowledge test.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;  Turns out that while 56% of responders know that &quot;public option&quot; is a catch phrase in the healthcare debate, 44% of them are clueless as to what it refers to.  (33% of them didn&#039;t know, and 11% guess incorrectly).

Oh yeah... this one&#039;s gonna leave a mark...  the partisan breakdown of the knowledge test

&lt;center&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/1378-5.gif&quot;/&gt;&lt;/center&gt;

And on health care specifically....

&lt;center&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/1378-4.gif&quot;/&gt;&lt;/center&gt;

Now that we&#039;ve established that more than a healthy amount of people are really clueless to public options, and even more likely the fiscal repercussions of such, let&#039;s go to a simpler question to a simpler audience.  This brings me to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gallup.com/poll/124253/Say-Health-Coverage-Not-Gov-Responsibility.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt; Gallup&#039;s Nov poll showing a health majority don&#039;t think health care is the government&#039;s responsibility.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;  Well now, that might explain the brainless support for a &quot;public option&quot;... they don&#039;t think it&#039;s a government run plan.  okie doke....

Oh, here&#039;s another one that&#039;s gonna leave a mark.  The decline in the public belief that government should involve itself in health care has been on the decline since &quot;da won&quot; has been running for POTUS.

&lt;center&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/qs4wyl__0uev0lby5jsnjq.gif&quot;/&gt;&lt;/center&gt;

Then, of course, the piÃ¨ce de rÃ©sistance  ... &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.medstore.biz/news/84789/polls-show-stable-attitudes-public-option-abortion&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt; a Dec 9th poll showing virtual even split on &quot;public option&quot; (whatever that is in their minds) support at 45-46.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Apparently, more and more are learning what a &quot;public option&quot; is.  And once they figure out it&#039;s a government single payer system, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/november_2009/62_oppose_single_payer_health_care_system&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt; the number that oppose that leap to 62% as of the beginning of December.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Of course, 54% of Dems  in the Rassmussen poll here favor the single payer system.  And also, of course, in the &quot;favor government insurance&quot; Gallup poll, 74% of Dems said yup... it&#039;s the govt&#039;s job.  That&#039;s consistency... government care, cradle to grave.  Surprise surprise.  Hard to teach old dogs new tricks... like no unConstitutional meddling by Congress please.

Then again, they are less likely to know what the heck it is they are asking for...  but they&#039;ll figure it out when it hits their wallets.  

Figures lie, liars figure, and it figures a progressive liar would wander into the FA forum to reconfigure poll results into political spin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Odd thing about those polls that the visiting extreme progressive-with-no-party-affiliation, @<a href="#comment-260593" rel="nofollow">Tom Degan,</a> hangs his hat upon.  There&#8217;s quite a few caveats&#8230; i.e.<a href="http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1378/political-news-iq-quiz" rel="nofollow"><b> an October Pew Research Polls does an issue knowledge test.</b></a>  Turns out that while 56% of responders know that &#8220;public option&#8221; is a catch phrase in the healthcare debate, 44% of them are clueless as to what it refers to.  (33% of them didn&#8217;t know, and 11% guess incorrectly).</p>
<p>Oh yeah&#8230; this one&#8217;s gonna leave a mark&#8230;  the partisan breakdown of the knowledge test</p>
<p><center><img src="http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/1378-5.gif"/></center></p>
<p>And on health care specifically&#8230;.</p>
<p><center><img src="http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/1378-4.gif"/></center></p>
<p>Now that we&#8217;ve established that more than a healthy amount of people are really clueless to public options, and even more likely the fiscal repercussions of such, let&#8217;s go to a simpler question to a simpler audience.  This brings me to <a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/124253/Say-Health-Coverage-Not-Gov-Responsibility.aspx" rel="nofollow"><b> Gallup&#8217;s Nov poll showing a health majority don&#8217;t think health care is the government&#8217;s responsibility.</b></a>  Well now, that might explain the brainless support for a &#8220;public option&#8221;&#8230; they don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a government run plan.  okie doke&#8230;.</p>
<p>Oh, here&#8217;s another one that&#8217;s gonna leave a mark.  The decline in the public belief that government should involve itself in health care has been on the decline since &#8220;da won&#8221; has been running for POTUS.</p>
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<p>Then, of course, the piÃ¨ce de rÃ©sistance  &#8230; <a href="http://www.medstore.biz/news/84789/polls-show-stable-attitudes-public-option-abortion" rel="nofollow"><b> a Dec 9th poll showing virtual even split on &#8220;public option&#8221; (whatever that is in their minds) support at 45-46.</b></a></p>
<p>Apparently, more and more are learning what a &#8220;public option&#8221; is.  And once they figure out it&#8217;s a government single payer system, <a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/november_2009/62_oppose_single_payer_health_care_system" rel="nofollow"><b> the number that oppose that leap to 62% as of the beginning of December.</b></a></p>
<p>Of course, 54% of Dems  in the Rassmussen poll here favor the single payer system.  And also, of course, in the &#8220;favor government insurance&#8221; Gallup poll, 74% of Dems said yup&#8230; it&#8217;s the govt&#8217;s job.  That&#8217;s consistency&#8230; government care, cradle to grave.  Surprise surprise.  Hard to teach old dogs new tricks&#8230; like no unConstitutional meddling by Congress please.</p>
<p>Then again, they are less likely to know what the heck it is they are asking for&#8230;  but they&#8217;ll figure it out when it hits their wallets.  </p>
<p>Figures lie, liars figure, and it figures a progressive liar would wander into the FA forum to reconfigure poll results into political spin.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Degan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Degan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I am having quite the laugh at your expence. Please, did you even read what I said? They did it with the help of more that a few Democrats. I give up. You just can&#039;t face reality, can you? Oy vey!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>And I am having quite the laugh at your expence. Please, did you even read what I said? They did it with the help of more that a few Democrats. I give up. You just can&#8217;t face reality, can you? Oy vey!</p>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-260653&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tom Degan&lt;/a&gt;: 

Again, the GOP doesn&#039;t have the votes in either chamber to kill legislation or any portion thereof.

I quoted the portion of the sentence that exposes you for the fool that you are.

We&#039;re all pointing and laughing at you.

Care to keep dancing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-260653" rel="nofollow">Tom Degan</a>: </p>
<p>Again, the GOP doesn&#8217;t have the votes in either chamber to kill legislation or any portion thereof.</p>
<p>I quoted the portion of the sentence that exposes you for the fool that you are.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re all pointing and laughing at you.</p>
<p>Care to keep dancing?</p>
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		<title>By: Hankster58</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hankster58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So then , by wanting the &quot;public option&quot; you favor MORE &quot;socialism&quot;??? Why do you want uncle sugar sticking his nose into PRIVATE affairs... there are a lot of things that can be done to lessen the costs of healthcare AND it&#039;s burden on the public, (taxpayer) WITHOUT Government involvement.... yet you SUPPORTED the Socialist option, WHY??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>So then , by wanting the &#8220;public option&#8221; you favor MORE &#8220;socialism&#8221;??? Why do you want uncle sugar sticking his nose into PRIVATE affairs&#8230; there are a lot of things that can be done to lessen the costs of healthcare AND it&#8217;s burden on the public, (taxpayer) WITHOUT Government involvement&#8230;. yet you SUPPORTED the Socialist option, WHY??</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Degan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Degan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That part of health care reform was killed off by the GOPâ�¦

You can only make your argument by quoting me completely out of context. If you had bothered to complete the sentence it would have read, &quot;....and those goddamed blue dog Democrats.&quot; Why do you make yourself look so ridiculous. All one has to do is scroll up and they can see clearly what I said. What the hell is the matter with you?

Snicker Snicker....

Sincerely,

Tom Degan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>That part of health care reform was killed off by the GOPâ�¦</p>
<p>You can only make your argument by quoting me completely out of context. If you had bothered to complete the sentence it would have read, &#8220;&#8230;.and those goddamed blue dog Democrats.&#8221; Why do you make yourself look so ridiculous. All one has to do is scroll up and they can see clearly what I said. What the hell is the matter with you?</p>
<p>Snicker Snicker&#8230;.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Tom Degan</p>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-260593&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tom Degan&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;When the public option was on the table the overwhelming majority (again, myself included) supported it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Source please.

&lt;blockquote&gt;That part of health care reform was killed off by the GOP...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

News Flash:  The GOP doesn&#039;t have the votes in the House or the Senate to kill off anything.

Snicker...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-260593" rel="nofollow">Tom Degan</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>When the public option was on the table the overwhelming majority (again, myself included) supported it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Source please.</p>
<blockquote><p>That part of health care reform was killed off by the GOP&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>News Flash:  The GOP doesn&#8217;t have the votes in the House or the Senate to kill off anything.</p>
<p>Snicker&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Degan</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/12/20/senate-democrats-break-filibuster-of-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-260593</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Degan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;THAT sir is YOUR party&quot;

You assume I am a Democrat. I am not. I do not align myself with any political party. Second you say that most Americans are against this health care bill. You are correct. I am against it, too. But the majority of Americans (myself included) are against this bill - not for what it offers - but for what it does not offer. When the public option was on the table the overwhelming majority (again, myself included) supported it. That part of health care reform was killed off by the GOP and those godammed blue dog Democrats.

Tom Degan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>&#8220;THAT sir is YOUR party&#8221;</p>
<p>You assume I am a Democrat. I am not. I do not align myself with any political party. Second you say that most Americans are against this health care bill. You are correct. I am against it, too. But the majority of Americans (myself included) are against this bill &#8211; not for what it offers &#8211; but for what it does not offer. When the public option was on the table the overwhelming majority (again, myself included) supported it. That part of health care reform was killed off by the GOP and those godammed blue dog Democrats.</p>
<p>Tom Degan</p>
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		<title>By: Hankster58</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hankster58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, that&#039;s probably those of hard core Liberal/Democrat values are NOT of sound mind !!! Sorry pal....
Example... Obummer comes out an pontificates on &quot;how this is a great victory for ALL Americans&quot;!! meaning the &quot;healthcare reform&quot; passing a Senate vote..... NOW, how can it be a &quot;great victory&quot; for &quot;all Americans&quot; when the polls CLEARLY show the MAJORITY does NOT SUPPORT it!!!
No, it&#039;s a victory for the LEFT, the WILL of the PEOPLE be damned!! THAT sir is YOUR party, &quot;the we believe it, we want it, you&#039;re going to TAKE IT!!&quot; party.... Proud of that are you? Since it is FACTUALLY (Dems do not care about facts!) true the Dems are enforcing THEIR beliefs and NOT the &quot;will of the people&quot;.. WHO then DO they &quot;represent&quot;????? Not us.... Dictators act this way you know... check out Hugo Chavez and Castro&#039;s  methods of doing things.... I want it, you do it...hmmm..... So, just who DID you elect????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Tom, that&#8217;s probably those of hard core Liberal/Democrat values are NOT of sound mind !!! Sorry pal&#8230;.<br />
Example&#8230; Obummer comes out an pontificates on &#8220;how this is a great victory for ALL Americans&#8221;!! meaning the &#8220;healthcare reform&#8221; passing a Senate vote&#8230;.. NOW, how can it be a &#8220;great victory&#8221; for &#8220;all Americans&#8221; when the polls CLEARLY show the MAJORITY does NOT SUPPORT it!!!<br />
No, it&#8217;s a victory for the LEFT, the WILL of the PEOPLE be damned!! THAT sir is YOUR party, &#8220;the we believe it, we want it, you&#8217;re going to TAKE IT!!&#8221; party&#8230;. Proud of that are you? Since it is FACTUALLY (Dems do not care about facts!) true the Dems are enforcing THEIR beliefs and NOT the &#8220;will of the people&#8221;.. WHO then DO they &#8220;represent&#8221;????? Not us&#8230;. Dictators act this way you know&#8230; check out Hugo Chavez and Castro&#8217;s  methods of doing things&#8230;. I want it, you do it&#8230;hmmm&#8230;.. So, just who DID you elect????</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Degan</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/12/20/senate-democrats-break-filibuster-of-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-260588</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Degan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, Lieberman is a Conservative. To say he is a Liberal is one step shy of crazy. Secondly, yes, I realize this is a Conservative sight. I was merely trying to encourage a little healthy debate. Reverend Degan doesn&#039;t preach to the choir.

Cheers!

Tom Degan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>First of all, Lieberman is a Conservative. To say he is a Liberal is one step shy of crazy. Secondly, yes, I realize this is a Conservative sight. I was merely trying to encourage a little healthy debate. Reverend Degan doesn&#8217;t preach to the choir.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
<p>Tom Degan</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/12/20/senate-democrats-break-filibuster-of-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-260585</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-260580&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tom Degan&lt;/a&gt;: In case you didn&#039;t notice this is a conservative blog with Republican ties. Lieberman is neither conservative nor Republican. So why should we comment?

Though it is funny to watch you eat one of your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-260580" rel="nofollow">Tom Degan</a>: In case you didn&#8217;t notice this is a conservative blog with Republican ties. Lieberman is neither conservative nor Republican. So why should we comment?</p>
<p>Though it is funny to watch you eat one of your own.</p>
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