UN Nuke Chief: Bush, Cheney, Bolton Were Right All Along

Intresting how little history politicans rely on when making diplomacy these days. Appeasement has never worked in the past when attempted, and yet Obama and most of the UN turns a blind eye to that truth and still tries to appease Iran out of pursuing nuclear technology be it for power and weapons. Nations such as France, Britain and even United States were attempting appeasement, instead of enforcement of the treaty signed after WW1, with Germany during the late 1930’s while Germany’s military blitzkrieged neighboring Nations and starting up the bloody genocide. I feel our leaders are making a mistake on par with the appeasment attempt of Nazi Germany. Iran’s current President has not hidden his agenda of wanting to envoke a new genocide with the usage of nuclear arms, appeasement can not prevent his or his Leader’s goals.

Sancations will not work to break Iran’s will towards their goals, it will only forge a tighter National support for the pursuit of Nuclear technology from Iranian citizens (even those who rebeled in the June 12 election) due to alien bodies of Government attempts to manipulate their society with economical starvation. Imperial Japan was embargoed by the United States for years before Peral Harbor happened, and that series of embargos was a major factor for declaring war on the United States by the Japanese. To think Iran would sit down peacefuly to economical enslavements and status quotas set outside of their rulling government is folly as they have just wrapped up a five day war-game practice for hostile invasion scenarios and counter tactics involing simulated nuclear launches. Iran is marching towards war, Israel is marching towards war. Anyone who does not want to see those signs and thinks economical penalities will stave off bloodshed is a fool, a deseprate Nation will fight tooth and nail for its survial no matter how Good or Evil the ruling body is and both Iran and Israel’s survival is at the cornerstone of this matter.

Bush was right? Reminds me of a song!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-z2D9lo9-8

I don’t believe that Obama would give the green light to a US strike. I have thought about what scenario could occur in which the “consensus” in his admin would give him that advice. Won’t happen, I guess…

Secondly, what would the O response be to a Israeli first strike followed by a wave of suicide bombers in Israel AND a miliary response by Iran. Nothing, I would guess.

Obama = No Leadership.

Now a few nuggets of wisdom from the peanut gallery…

A Military genius that I place on a par with John F. Kerry and the rest of the Twits that
have the Kenyan’s ear before he delivers another campaign speech from that historic
coed school on the Hudson. I did not attend West Point. I was an OCS Commission but
I did put a lot of Third Year Cadets through Jump School & Ranger School after they became
Soldiers.

An Open Letter to President Obama from Michael Moore

Dear President Obama,

Do you really want to be the new “war president”? If you go to West Point tomorrow night (Tuesday, 8pm) and announce that you are increasing, rather than withdrawing, the troops in Afghanistan, you are the new war president. Pure and simple. And with that you will do the worst possible thing you could do — destroy the hopes and dreams so many millions have placed in you. With just one speech tomorrow night you will turn a multitude of young people who were the backbone of your campaign into disillusioned cynics. You will teach them what they’ve always heard is true — that all politicians are alike. I simply can’t believe you’re about to do what they say you are going to do. Please say it isn’t so.

It is not your job to do what the generals tell you to do. We are a civilian-run government. WE tell the Joint Chiefs what to do, not the other way around. That’s the way General Washington insisted it must be. That’s what President Truman told General MacArthur when MacArthur wanted to invade China. “You’re fired!,” said Truman, and that was that. And you should have fired Gen. McChrystal when he went to the press to preempt you, telling the press what YOU had to do. Let me be blunt: We love our kids in the armed services, but we f*#&in’ hate these generals, from Westmoreland in Vietnam to, yes, even Colin Powell for lying to the UN with his made-up drawings of WMD (he has since sought redemption).

So now you feel backed into a corner. 30 years ago this past Thursday (Thanksgiving) the Soviet generals had a cool idea — “Let’s invade Afghanistan!” Well, that turned out to be the final nail in the USSR coffin.

There’s a reason they don’t call Afghanistan the “Garden State” (though they probably should, seeing how the corrupt President Karzai, whom we back, has his brother in the heroin trade raising poppies). Afghanistan’s nickname is the “Graveyard of Empires.” If you don’t believe it, give the British a call. I’d have you call Genghis Khan but I lost his number. I do have Gorbachev’s number though. It’s + 41 22 789 1662. I’m sure he could give you an earful about the historic blunder you’re about to commit.

With our economic collapse still in full swing and our precious young men and women being sacrificed on the altar of arrogance and greed, the breakdown of this great civilization we call America will head, full throttle, into oblivion if you become the “war president.” Empires never think the end is near, until the end is here. Empires think that more evil will force the heathens to toe the line — and yet it never works. The heathens usually tear them to shreds.

Choose carefully, President Obama. You of all people know that it doesn’t have to be this way. You still have a few hours to listen to your heart, and your own clear thinking. You know that nothing good can come from sending more troops halfway around the world to a place neither you nor they understand, to achieve an objective that neither you nor they understand, in a country that does not want us there. You can feel it in your bones.

I know you know that there are LESS than a hundred al-Qaeda left in Afghanistan! A hundred thousand troops trying to crush a hundred guys living in caves? Are you serious? Have you drunk Bush’s Kool-Aid? I refuse to believe it.

Your potential decision to expand the war (while saying that you’re doing it so you can “end the war”) will do more to set your legacy in stone than any of the great things you’ve said and done in your first year. One more throwing a bone from you to the Republicans and the coalition of the hopeful and the hopeless may be gone — and this nation will be back in the hands of the haters quicker than you can shout “tea bag!”

Choose carefully, Mr. President. Your corporate backers are going to abandon you as soon as it is clear you are a one-term president and that the nation will be safely back in the hands of the usual idiots who do their bidding. That could be Wednesday morning.

We the people still love you. We the people still have a sliver of hope. But we the people can’t take it anymore. We can’t take your caving in, over and over, when we elected you by a big, wide margin of millions to get in there and get the job done. What part of “landslide victory” don’t you understand?

Don’t be deceived into thinking that sending a few more troops into Afghanistan will make a difference, or earn you the respect of the haters. They will not stop until this country is torn asunder and every last dollar is extracted from the poor and soon-to-be poor. You could send a million troops over there and the crazy Right still wouldn’t be happy. You would still be the victim of their incessant venom on hate radio and television because no matter what you do, you can’t change the one thing about yourself that sends them over the edge.

The haters were not the ones who elected you, and they can’t be won over by abandoning the rest of us.

President Obama, it’s time to come home. Ask your neighbors in Chicago and the parents of the young men and women doing the fighting and dying if they want more billions and more troops sent to Afghanistan. Do you think they will say, “No, we don’t need health care, we don’t need jobs, we don’t need homes. You go on ahead, Mr. President, and send our wealth and our sons and daughters overseas, ’cause we don’t need them, either.”

What would Martin Luther King, Jr. do? What would your grandmother do? Not send more poor people to kill other poor people who pose no threat to them, that’s what they’d do. Not spend billions and trillions to wage war while American children are sleeping on the streets and standing in bread lines.

All of us that voted and prayed for you and cried the night of your victory have endured an Orwellian hell of eight years of crimes committed in our name: torture, rendition, suspension of the bill of rights, invading nations who had not attacked us, blowing up neighborhoods that Saddam “might” be in (but never was), slaughtering wedding parties in Afghanistan. We watched as hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians were slaughtered and tens of thousands of our brave young men and women were killed, maimed, or endured mental anguish — the full terror of which we scarcely know.

When we elected you we didn’t expect miracles. We didn’t even expect much change. But we expected some. We thought you would stop the madness. Stop the killing. Stop the insane idea that men with guns can reorganize a nation that doesn’t even function as a nation and never, ever has.

Stop, stop, stop! For the sake of the lives of young Americans and Afghan civilians, stop. For the sake of your presidency, hope, and the future of our nation, stop. For God’s sake, stop.

Tonight we still have hope.

Tomorrow, we shall see. The ball is in your court. You DON’T have to do this. You can be a profile in courage. You can be your mother’s son.

We’re counting on you.

Yours,
Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
MichaelMoore.com
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The Pretender is incapable of being a War Time President. At this point I am required by My Oath and Regulations to salute the Office but NOT the Man. Based on his performance thus far if he was a Commissioned Officer he would have been relieved of duty and cashiered by now. If he fails to send the Troops, Material and Resources We do stand the chance of getting Our Butts kicked in and could lose this War. BTW, This ain’t a Man Made Disaster. It is a WAR. Obama is the disaster…

And a brief note to Michael Moore, his Mother was an America Hating Socialist that couldn’t keep her feet and knees together.

OT, I assume you mean she was bow legged. That’s what happens when you spend too much time in the saddle.

Give em Hell!

@ Davey —

I don’t get it: Obama is doing his best to clean up the mess that Bush left him, but nothing but b*tching and moaning from the conservatives . . . “He’s not cleaning up Bush’s mess fast enough to our liking!”

With this escalation in Afghanistan, by my count, we will have about 100,000 soldiers in that country, compared to about 55,000 when Obama came into office less than a year ago. You know what THAT means? It means that Bush had about 45,000 men too few over the last EIGHT YEARS to do the job right. You cons whine and cry about Obama “dithering” while he decides how many men to send to their possible death in a friggin central Asian hellhole, after sitting around saying NOTHING as the Bush administration mismanaged the war for eight friggin years. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously?

And Davey –Your opinions would be more persuasive if you knew how to spell the word “schmuck”, you schmo . . . .

“SO, if diplomacy has failed, and has no reasonable chance (hell, there’s NO chance) of stopping the Iranian nuke problem…what’s next? The answer is simple: Israel attacks Iran or the US attacks Iran, and Obama lacks the political courage to even think about the latter option.”

These sentences state, in a nutshell, the reason why I am happy that McCain and his ilk lost the election bigtime last year: so people who think like Scott are nowhere near the decision-making centers of U.S. government.

Let’s start with the first part of the sentence, which appears to work from the premise that diplomacy has failed so it is time to bomb Iran, or starve its economy. Hmm, what happened the week after Obama returned from China?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/25/AR2009112504112.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/28/world/28nuke.html

Yeah, I think Scott forgot the part about China FINALLY getting on board with confronting Iran. Joined by Russia. Yet, you brain-donors on the right think NOW is the time to starve the economy, or bomb the country? Are you all friggin nuts, or just acting like it for fun?

The there is this:

http://www.cfr.org/publication/20637/israeli_strike_on_iran.html?breadcrumb=%2Findex

I see nothing here about the broader consequences of an attack on Iran (by Israel or us), or the consequences of an embargo on the already fragile economy of that country of 66 million people. Would they respond by mining the Persian Gulf and cut off the oil flowing out of Iraq and the UAE and Saudi Arabia? And if they did, are you cons willing to stomach $200 per barrel oil and gas at $6 per gallon? If it was just an embargo, what happens to the Green Movement against the government? It is the apparent inability of conservatives to do any “what if” thinking that put us in the situation we are in today in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now you mooks want to start a new front against another Islamic country? To what end?

Honestly . . . I am now starting to think that McCain really was thinking about his grandchildren when he chose Sarah Palin as his running mate: he cemented his defeat and made sure that people like Scott and Mike’s America are on the outside looking in, instead of pulling the levers of power. Yay, John! Man deserves a medal!

@ PatVann —

This slays me!

“Besides, why the hell would you escalate and drop in 50,000 more men when there was very little fighting going on?”

Are you actually claiming that there was “no fighting” to be done during the last eight years when, according to the Pentagon, the Taliban re-manned and re-armed?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/06/27/afghan.fighting/index.html

Quote:

“The Taliban is likely to maintain or even increase the scope and pace of its terrorist attacks and bombings in 2008,” the report said.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday that one of the reasons for the increase was that more people are “coming across the border from the frontier area [of Pakistan].”

Gates said he hoped a newly announced Pakistani effort to clamp down on Islamic militants in the country’s northwestern tribal districts would improve the situation in Afghanistan.

“The ability of the Taliban and other insurgents to cross that border and not being under any pressure from the Pakistani side of the border is clearly a concern,” Gates said.

One of the weapons of choice for militants in Afghanistan is the roadside bomb.

Pentagon figures detailing the number of roadside bombs detonated and found in Afghanistan illustrate the level of insurgent activity.

In 2007, 876 roadside bombs blew up, and 439 were found. This year, 431 have blown up, with 354 found

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Back then, when this was happening, we had only 32,000 troops in Afghanistan. It obviously wasn’t enough. Bush put a few more in, then Obama put some more in this year, now he is set to put another 30,000 plus in . . . so he will be putting more men in Afghanistan in his first year in office than Bush had sevey years into the war. Yet you think there was “little fighting going on” as the Taliban regrouped under Bush’s shoddy watch?

I have a question, PatVann — W.t.f. have you been smoking?

@ PatVann —

If the “bad-guys got motivated” now, then why did Bush’s Sec. of Defense talk about them surging in 2008, BEFORE Obama was even out of the Dem primaries? And we have 68,000 troops there now after Obama already sent 14,000 earlier this year. But the generals asked for another 30 to 40,000. Are you telling me that we “all of a sudden” needed to increase our deployment from 54,000 to more than 100,000? You actually believe that this needs just arose this year? You are beyond dumb . . . .

brainded-rob, you are a leftist troll.

A few facts for you. The left screamed about how we acted alone in Iraq (we didn’t) and how NATO should be involved. Well, we had that in Afghanistan and it made things worse when our so-called-allies refused to fight. As has been pointed out to you, when the terrorists lost in Iraq they went to Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Also as previously stated the left was screaming for more troops in Afghanistan for years-even tho they weren’t needed. Now that they are getting them are screaming that it’s the wrong thing to do. The truth is the left wants this country to lose because they hate it. They tried to make us lose in Iraq and are now trying to do the same in Afghanistan.
While obama sending 30k more troops is good, it still isn’t enough. I don’t expect someone as mentally ill as yourself to understand this, so this post is to dispell your demented views.

@ Hard Right —

Let me get your story straight:

The left was asking for more troops in Afghanistan, but you say they weren’t needed.

Gates in June 2008 says that the Taliban has regrouped and is more powerful than before.

PatVann says the Taliban only got “motivated” in November 2008 when Obama got elected.

But PatVann also says that Bush “had a plan” to send in 50,000 men, but Obama delayed.

PatVann has not explained why Bush had a plan to add 50,000 men if they were not actually needed, as you claim.

You and PatVann need to coordinate and settle on which lies the wingnuts are going to push.

You saying more troops were not needed undercuts his claim that Bush had a plan to send 50,000 men . . . you know, the ones that “weren’t needed” when “the left” was demanding them. Likewise, you claiming the men “weren’t needed” is exactly 180 degrees contrary to Gates statements in June 2008 (when Obama was fighting Hillary) that the Taliban was resurgent.

So you guys consolidate you meme and get back with us when you are not spouting internally inconsistent nonsense about how the failures in Afghanistan are all Obama and “the left’s” fault.