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		<title>By: Real Estate News, Opinion, and Commentary: The Gambit of Eminent &#8230; &#124; Montgomery County NY Real Estate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Real Estate News, Opinion, and Commentary: The Gambit of Eminent &#8230; &#124; Montgomery County NY Real Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Abuse of Eminent Domain Results in Nothing But Vacant Lots [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mr. Irons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Irons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sitting at the City Council proves nothing if you did not review the finalized paperworks and the legal papers over the matters.  Legends, as in the same line as Beechcraft, sat forth an ammount of money to purchase the lands based on apprasials.  By your own logic, the meetings you so attended should have been about the unlawful Government eviction of people from their homes.  This did not happen within the legal battles that had happened.  What happened was people were willing to sell their lands, just not at the appraisal rating the businesses were buying them for.  In case of Beechcraft, an indepdendent firm was brought in to do a second appraisal of the land value of each plot they were seeking to buy.  In the case of Legends, the business sought to bid for land from the land owners (not home owners, different matter) and the appraisal ratings at which Legends wanted to buy at was below actual value of the land worth by State audits and private firms.  Home Owners generaly don&#039;t always own the land their house sits on if they belong to a Housing development, the firm which allocated the land for the House does in certain legal contracts.  But even with that little piece of tidbit, the land owners still have to repurchase the house back at the most current appraisal rate to even have an eviction notice.  And being from Kansas, I can tell you people greatly mis-understand things or go with personal opinions as facts versus what was the legal documentations that detail what went on.  Yes you went to the meetings, but were you allowed to the private court hearings?

I suggest you also re-read your Federalist papers Robin, under the papers the Government can aqcuire the lands of a private owner if and only if it rightfuly purchases the lands from the owner.  In the situation of Legends and Beechcraft, the State and City Government ensured that a private buyer had to buy at a fair market value.  In the case of CT&#039;s Phizfer situation, it was a different situation all together where the Government first attempted to purchase homes far under property appraisal ratings and home owners who refused to sell were labeled as blight and were evicted by Government force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Sitting at the City Council proves nothing if you did not review the finalized paperworks and the legal papers over the matters.  Legends, as in the same line as Beechcraft, sat forth an ammount of money to purchase the lands based on apprasials.  By your own logic, the meetings you so attended should have been about the unlawful Government eviction of people from their homes.  This did not happen within the legal battles that had happened.  What happened was people were willing to sell their lands, just not at the appraisal rating the businesses were buying them for.  In case of Beechcraft, an indepdendent firm was brought in to do a second appraisal of the land value of each plot they were seeking to buy.  In the case of Legends, the business sought to bid for land from the land owners (not home owners, different matter) and the appraisal ratings at which Legends wanted to buy at was below actual value of the land worth by State audits and private firms.  Home Owners generaly don&#8217;t always own the land their house sits on if they belong to a Housing development, the firm which allocated the land for the House does in certain legal contracts.  But even with that little piece of tidbit, the land owners still have to repurchase the house back at the most current appraisal rate to even have an eviction notice.  And being from Kansas, I can tell you people greatly mis-understand things or go with personal opinions as facts versus what was the legal documentations that detail what went on.  Yes you went to the meetings, but were you allowed to the private court hearings?</p>
<p>I suggest you also re-read your Federalist papers Robin, under the papers the Government can aqcuire the lands of a private owner if and only if it rightfuly purchases the lands from the owner.  In the situation of Legends and Beechcraft, the State and City Government ensured that a private buyer had to buy at a fair market value.  In the case of CT&#8217;s Phizfer situation, it was a different situation all together where the Government first attempted to purchase homes far under property appraisal ratings and home owners who refused to sell were labeled as blight and were evicted by Government force.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m guessing that case wasn&#039;t about getting that particular property, but to establish the president.  Now that it&#039;s on the books, they can use it with impunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I&#8217;m guessing that case wasn&#8217;t about getting that particular property, but to establish the president.  Now that it&#8217;s on the books, they can use it with impunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy,
  Please read the Federalists Papers and re-read the Constitution before you make such an ignorant statement and analogy. It is evident that you haven&#039;t studied the Constitution nor the intent behind its formulation. The Constitution was founded on non-interference in local issues. It has been morphed into some sort of invitation to meddle.
Mr. Irons,
  I concede to you. Although I live less than 7 miles from Legends and the situation you described occurred less than 1/2 mile from my house, it is evident that you are much more informed than I am. I only attended the City Coucil meetings about the issue so it is not possible for me to defeat your arguments. Kudos to you!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Timothy,<br />
  Please read the Federalists Papers and re-read the Constitution before you make such an ignorant statement and analogy. It is evident that you haven&#8217;t studied the Constitution nor the intent behind its formulation. The Constitution was founded on non-interference in local issues. It has been morphed into some sort of invitation to meddle.<br />
Mr. Irons,<br />
  I concede to you. Although I live less than 7 miles from Legends and the situation you described occurred less than 1/2 mile from my house, it is evident that you are much more informed than I am. I only attended the City Coucil meetings about the issue so it is not possible for me to defeat your arguments. Kudos to you!!</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and Robin,

Your &quot;finger waging&quot; (putting blame on the CT legislature) was a nice touch.  It&#039;s like a burgler (SCOTUS), stealing the HDTV, then blaming the house owners (CT legislature) for not having adequate locks.  In your view, it&#039;s a &quot;blame the victim&quot; mentality.

The idea of using eminent domain, to bolster tax revenues and screw landowners, is most repulsive.  Eminent domain has a triditional use in times of war, national defense or key national infrastructure projects.  This smacks more of cronism.  

I can only guess that certain CT state politicos are enjoying increased campaign contributions and kickbacks out of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>and Robin,</p>
<p>Your &#8220;finger waging&#8221; (putting blame on the CT legislature) was a nice touch.  It&#8217;s like a burgler (SCOTUS), stealing the HDTV, then blaming the house owners (CT legislature) for not having adequate locks.  In your view, it&#8217;s a &#8220;blame the victim&#8221; mentality.</p>
<p>The idea of using eminent domain, to bolster tax revenues and screw landowners, is most repulsive.  Eminent domain has a triditional use in times of war, national defense or key national infrastructure projects.  This smacks more of cronism.  </p>
<p>I can only guess that certain CT state politicos are enjoying increased campaign contributions and kickbacks out of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an enviromentalist&#039;s wet dream.

--Corp wants some &quot;Cap-n-Trade&quot; street cred.
--Whacks a few land owners under the guise of &quot;developement&quot;.
--Land owners leave.
--Land goes wild.
--Land is donated to Seirra Club.
--Corp gets kudos.

BRILLIANT!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>This is an enviromentalist&#8217;s wet dream.</p>
<p>&#8211;Corp wants some &#8220;Cap-n-Trade&#8221; street cred.<br />
&#8211;Whacks a few land owners under the guise of &#8220;developement&#8221;.<br />
&#8211;Land owners leave.<br />
&#8211;Land goes wild.<br />
&#8211;Land is donated to Seirra Club.<br />
&#8211;Corp gets kudos.</p>
<p>BRILLIANT!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Madalyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madalyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m from the Government and I&#039;m here to help  HHHAAAA  HAAAAHHHAAAAA HAAAA!
madalyn</description>
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madalyn</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Irons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Irons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Kansas, and that deal between the land owners and the zoning is hardly within the same page as mass forcing of people off property for a private developer to do as they see fit.  The State and Local City Governments acted as a mediator group between current land owners and those seeking to purchase the land.  In the case of Legends, it is no different than BeechCraft seeking to purchase surrounding land plots to build a new runway and then landowners fighting what was the offers from Beechcraft from the appraisals for the land.  In both of these situations, the owners actually contested the value of the land plots involved versus the appraisals and not the Government eviction from their homes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I live in Kansas, and that deal between the land owners and the zoning is hardly within the same page as mass forcing of people off property for a private developer to do as they see fit.  The State and Local City Governments acted as a mediator group between current land owners and those seeking to purchase the land.  In the case of Legends, it is no different than BeechCraft seeking to purchase surrounding land plots to build a new runway and then landowners fighting what was the offers from Beechcraft from the appraisals for the land.  In both of these situations, the owners actually contested the value of the land plots involved versus the appraisals and not the Government eviction from their homes.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I beg to differ. Sometimes it actually works. I live near the &quot;Legends&quot; just west of Kansas City. There was a lot of arguments just like yours that were wrong. The Legends is now considered a huge success by everyone involved; even the people that argued against it. It brought thousands of jobs and the quality of life in the area has improved dramatically. From an average residentail area to an economic powerhouse in just 4 years!
Not every case of eminent domain for commercial development is bad. Just the government authorities and legislators making bad decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I beg to differ. Sometimes it actually works. I live near the &#8220;Legends&#8221; just west of Kansas City. There was a lot of arguments just like yours that were wrong. The Legends is now considered a huge success by everyone involved; even the people that argued against it. It brought thousands of jobs and the quality of life in the area has improved dramatically. From an average residentail area to an economic powerhouse in just 4 years!<br />
Not every case of eminent domain for commercial development is bad. Just the government authorities and legislators making bad decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Irons</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/11/13/abuse-of-eminent-domain-results-in-nothing-but-vacant-lots/comment-page-1/#comment-255537</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Irons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What has been done and will be done by those seeking a private business investment by siezure of lands not in their rightful ownership is horrible no matter of the, &quot;economical&quot; bonuses of this behavior might bring (which is never.)  This sort of thought process of forcing people off lands that is not used for public government projects, as in highways or infrastructure, but used for private business agendas will further add to a growing idea within legal American Citizens to revolt against their leadership via voting power be it discharging of leadership within that State or mass exodus from that State and commencing a starvation of State Revenue and potential labor forces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>What has been done and will be done by those seeking a private business investment by siezure of lands not in their rightful ownership is horrible no matter of the, &#8220;economical&#8221; bonuses of this behavior might bring (which is never.)  This sort of thought process of forcing people off lands that is not used for public government projects, as in highways or infrastructure, but used for private business agendas will further add to a growing idea within legal American Citizens to revolt against their leadership via voting power be it discharging of leadership within that State or mass exodus from that State and commencing a starvation of State Revenue and potential labor forces.</p>
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