@Hankster58: I agree that immigration isn’t as stringent in some ways as before. However, I have a new relative, recent immigrant from Eastern Europe. She had to go through an extensive application process; had to obtain police reports from Israel and the UK, where she had lived years earlier that she had no record, warrants, etc. These had to be paid for in the currency of the country of issuance. I believe she also had to have a health clearance too…but probably from her home country. She’s an educated, lovely woman who will be a credit to America. We wouldn’t have anyone in our family here illegally. Disgusting…especially to new Legal immigrants who know what it means to them, having gone through the process.

My family has been here since the early 1700′s; fought for Independence along side George Washington, WWII (101st Airborne and Patton’s Army) and several were military during Viet Nam, although I don’t believe any of them were in combat. Patriotism is big in our family and always has been and as you might imagine, I truly despise what is happening to our country now.

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Here Here!!

Do you have any idea what a person had to go thru, as late as 1956, just to IMMIGRATE to America???? This just walk in crap,i don’t know when it started… but it IS the leading cause of much of our “National Upheaval” we’re dealing with today…. My dad was almost DENIED entry…. because an X-ray of his chest showed what “could have been” TB…. had to have an X-ray and med history sent over from Holland showing it was “scar tissue” from childhood Pneumonia!!!! You see them examining people that close TODAY??? And one wonders why we have so many nutcakes getting in!!! Also, one had to have a U.S. SPONSOR, who helped and kept tabs on you for a YEAR, just to make sure you got your feet on the ground, help if needed with any issues, and got off to a good start…. Today???? nada….. anything goes…. and look what’s happening!!!

And WORDSMITH…. there’s nothing wrong with being proud of ones heritage! I agree!! In St.Louis…. there was “Bevo Day” (German heritage celebration in “what was” a predominately German neighborhood once a year)…. “Hill Day”..( held up “on the hill”, a part of St. Louis predominately Italian”) everyone in town knows the best Italian food is “on the Hill”…. Over in Millstadt there’s an Octoberfest, same in Hermann …. that’s cool! St. Charles has a FRENCH festival….History is an IMPORTANT thing.. reminds of how we got here.. the fact they now tend to IGNORE it is part of the cause of the crap going on NOW!!

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@Hankster58:

I heartily agree that better vetting is long overdue and so is the return to the clear-eyed recognition that we are a country at war.

I’d also add that the sentiments you and others have expressed here about “hyphenated” Americans is a view I’ve held close for as long as I can remember. If you cannot see yourself as an American first and foremost, you’re in the wrong country.

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@Dr.D:

@ Patvann

Where is the “unthinking strawman argument”?

I did not say he want to make America into the situation in Europe.

No, but you begged the question:

Wordsmith, are you really ready for America to look like Sweden

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Maybe you prefer the English version

Which is a fallacious way of arguing, since you’ve now shifted the goal posts and require us to accept the premise before providing the proof, that because of my position (which seems to be confused with that taken by multiculturalists and the PC-burdened), America will go the route of Europe, which I agree has an Islamist-infestation problem. As Patvann points out, America is not Europe.

The problems of a country like France stems from its discrimination policies as much as the desire not to assimilate into French society on the part of Muslim immigrants. Basically by not carrying out a policy of assimilation, France has a situation of “mini nations within a nation”.

America, on the other hand, has for the most part, successfully integrated immigrant populations into mainstream America. My fear is the diversity crowd and multiculturalists who wish to dilute American core traditions, principles, and native culture through the rejection of assimilation. By promoting multiculturalism, bilingualism, and segregated communities that don’t encourage people to think of themselves as Americans first and foremost, you will end up with those of divided loyalties.

According to a Pew study a while back, most Muslim Americans appear to have integrated themselves into mainstream America. Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie, and falafels:

The first-ever, nationwide, random sample survey of Muslim Americans finds them to be largely assimilated, happy with their lives, and moderate with respect to many of the issues that have divided Muslims and Westerners around the world.

The Pew Research Center conducted more than 55,000 interviews to obtain a national sample of 1,050 Muslims living in the United States. Interviews were conducted in English, Arabic, Farsi and Urdu. The resulting study, which draws on Pew’s survey research among Muslims around the world, finds that Muslim Americans are a highly diverse population, one largely composed of immigrants. Nonetheless, they are decidedly American in their outlook, values and attitudes. This belief is reflected in Muslim American income and education levels, which generally mirror those of the public.

Key findings include:

* Overall, Muslim Americans have a generally positive view of the larger society. Most say their communities are excellent or good places to live.

* A large majority of Muslim Americans believe that hard work pays off in this society. Fully 71% agree that most people who want to get ahead in the United States can make it if they are willing to work hard.

* The survey shows that although many Muslims are relative newcomers to the U.S., they are highly assimilated into American society. On balance, they believe that Muslims coming to the U.S. should try and adopt American customs, rather than trying to remain distinct from the larger society. And by nearly two-to-one (63%-32%) Muslim Americans do not see a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society.

* Roughly two-thirds (65%) of adult Muslims in the U.S. were born elsewhere. A relatively large proportion of Muslim immigrants are from Arab countries, but many also come from Pakistan and other South Asian countries. Among native-born Muslims, roughly half are African American (20% of U.S. Muslims overall), many of whom are converts to Islam.

* Based on data from this survey, along with available Census Bureau data on immigrants’ nativity and nationality, the Pew Research Center estimates the total population of Muslims in the United States at 2.35 million.

There are a couple of points to be concerned with, however:

* Muslim Americans reject Islamic extremism by larger margins than do Muslim minorities in Western European countries. However, there is somewhat more acceptance of Islamic extremism in some segments of the U.S. Muslim public than others. Fewer native-born African American Muslims than others completely condemn al Qaeda. In addition, younger Muslims in the U.S. are much more likely than older Muslim Americans to say that suicide bombing in the defense of Islam can be at least sometimes justified. Nonetheless, absolute levels of support for Islamic extremism among Muslim Americans are quite low, especially when compared with Muslims around the world.

I think first generation Muslims who left their native lands, did so in order to seek a better life. Iranian-Americans, for instance, understand what it’s like to live under a true totalitarian regime.

The second generation youth, I am guessing, are influenced by the same anti-American spirit that pervades our universities. Liberal indoctrination that sees American imperialism and promotes “cultural equality” over assimilation, just may convince some Muslim youths to have misguided romanticized notions about insurgents in Iraq being “freedom fighters”, and “fighting the good fight” against oppression, racism- all those idealistic struggles that appeal to young people. A lot of our youth in general aren’t being taught that Americans rescue Muslims: We came to the rescue of Kuwait at the behest of Saudi Arabia; that we came to their rescue in Bosnia, Kosovo, Somalia. From 1980 to 2001, the primary deliverer of humanitarian aid to Afghanistan and 80% of the aid distributed by the NGOs within the framework of the World Food Prgram was paid for by Americans; that today, we are helping to protect Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan from extremists.

Nope. Besides any conspiratorial propaganda coming from the Middle East, all they need do is go to the latest Hollywood flick or open up the NYTimes to see how badly America is treating Muslims and oppressing the world at large.

* A majority of Muslim Americans (53%) say it has become more difficult to be a Muslim in the United States since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Most also believe that the government “singles out” Muslims for increased surveillance and monitoring.

I used to feel that the persecution of Arab Americans and American Muslims after 9/11 are exaggerated claims and a problem of perception. But some of the commenters here make me wonder….

As far as “singling out” Muslims, I have no problem with reasonable surveillance if given adequate cause based upon behavioral profiling as much as anything else. Muslims at AIFD (Dr. Jasser’s group) agree with being profiled:

* Relatively few Muslim Americans believe the U.S.-led war on terror is a sincere effort to reduce terrorism, and many doubt that Arabs were responsible for the 9/11 attacks. Just 40% of Muslim Americans say groups of Arabs carried out those attacks.

That’s living in denial, and is worrisome. Kinda like that statistic about the number of people who felt the government had something to do with being behind 9/11.

I don’t think it’s all that uncommon for groups to want to live in denial when their particular ethnicity or nation of origin or religion, feels to be under attack. People, by nature, will come up with excuses and rationalize.

I have a strong aversion to hyphenated American pride these days. Yes, it’s nice to take pride in where you come from; but these days, I see the dangers of that. Not just with muslim Americans with ties to Middle Eastern countries hostile to the U.S., let alone ties to Islam; but also with those who wave around foreign flags and cheer foreign soccer teams (yes, I’m thinking of Mexican-Americans- what a racist I am!). If we ever went to war with Mexico, you bet I’d question the loyalty of some citizens of Mexican heritage. Nothing racist about it, but makes perfect sense if you read Michelle Malkin’s book, The Case for Internment. Anyone with divided loyalties deserves scrutiny in wartime. It should not only be expected, but encouraged and endorsed by the very people who claim to love America before love of their native country we may be warring against.

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“There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism.” Theodore Roosevelt, 1858-1919, from a speech in New York, October 12, 1915.

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@Hankster58: I think it became African-American as in I was a slave, it’s your fault and you owe me. Same with the rest. I’ve never been a British-American; my ancestors were proud of the revolution we fought in…and they earned being called American. Anyone who wants to come her legally, become naturalized, etc., should be that proud too.

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i’m the firstborn American in my family…. folks are naturalized Citizens. They now claim to be AMERICANS…. not “hyphenated” Americans…… AMERICANS! A LOT of our problems came when we decided (well, somebody, not US!) to be so darned P.C. …. I “think” it started with the “Afro-American” thing….. which I can’t understand!! If you as a “race” want to be equal…. WHY is it one of the first things you do is to SEPARATE yourself with a “hyphenated” barrier??? Mexican- American…Afro-American…. is there a “Muslem-American”?? We used to be called a “Melting Pot” because all different people could come here, and become ONE…. NOW they WANT to be PART American… and keep one foot somewhere ELSE!! THAT is what is screwing up the works!!! Frankly (IMHO) we need to get back to our basic roots, AND rules!! You want to be an American, Be AMERICAN!! Not some half-assed combo whoknowswhat….. If you CAN’T dedicate yourself to the U.S. …. then you don’t get to join. Sorry….. back to the original rulebook. things were fine then, so maybe we ought to go back to it NOW!
As to the “illegal Mexican” problem….. my beef isn’t with them as a PEOPLE… it’s with breaking the law to get in, then screwing with our laws to stay…. and “being allowed” to circumvent them for benefits etc… a wrong followed by a wrong followed by a …… you get the idea. As a people, the ones I’ve run into are hard workers… take care of their families… seem to be reverent etc….so maybe we OUGHT to come up with a “plan” where they can “work off” the “illegalness” of their entry, and EARN a legal status, citizenship etc. Wanna stay, you got to play!! (by the rules)….. rather have them earning thier livings and paying (keeping) taxes HERE!! we need them!!

Muslems?? Same deal.. are you IN. or OUT??

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Along with the Muslim migration to the US, we are also overrun with illegals from Mexico. Hope I’m not caught in the crossfire when they start shooting at one another…oh, wait. They’ll both be shooting at us.

I attended a dinner Saturday night was was seated at a table of strangers. One was a retired teacher from Salinas who was commenting on political correctness. I thought uh oh…but turns out she was giving a bit of education to the PC ladies from Pacific Grove and Carmel at the table. She said that she used to feel the same way they do about diversity; that it’s always romanticized on the Left but when your neighborhood, where you have owned your home for years, becomes a war zone from the Mexican gangs, you wake up fast. As I got the gist of who was who at the table, I realized that they were being oh so tolerant…terminal niceness cases, patronizing her so I jumped right in and backed her up. My experience of living in Salinas for a year while attending classes was a horror. I couldn’t wait to get out of there and I won’t be going back any time soon…for anything. Shootings every week and the city fathers decided that group fasting and getting the grandmothers to hold their boys accountable was a good way to go. Hahahahaha. Steinbeck Country is long gone and now it’s Little Tijuana and Grandma and the rest of the non-English speaking family are supported by gang drug money. And they are in every state. We need the US Army to come in and secure the borders then round them up and dump them on Vicente’s doorstep.

The Muslims are headed in the same direction. I haven’t heard if the first Hamas sympathizing Palestinians that Obama has budgeted $200million for immigration have started arriving. If not, we need to stop it. That’s insane…unless of course, you believe it suits his overall agenda.

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Oh, but that could never happen here! (/sarc off) Thank you, Ann. I have seen most of that written up previously, I just did not know where to put my hands on it. It gives the facts very precisely from a solid source. Of course there will be many who will say, “well, you cannot trust the CIA for facts” but what can we say? The facts speak for themselves for those who have eyes to see.

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I’ve kept this from last year during the campaign. The percentages are certainly more than referenced here…figures from 2007.

The Muslims plan is to migrate to new countries and breed. When you have enough, start demanding..take the country. Read this excellent article from the “Freedom’s Enemies” site:

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called “religious rights.”

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to “the reasonable” Muslim demands for their “religious rights,” they also get the other components under the table.

Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halaal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

France — Muslim 8% Actually, now up to about 11% since this was published.
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris — car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam — Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of “Dar-es-Salaam” — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

“Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world. And all of us against the infidel. — Leon Uris, “The Haj”

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.

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