Sry…RE #9. That was supposed to be 100%, not 10…

(stoopid metric system)

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4. “Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.”

This rule only works under the assumption that the “enemy” has morals, a conscience and honesty.
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Sounds like you describe the enemy quite well.

Today’s unwashed masses have such short, selective memories and vulnerability to “spin” that I would doubt this is effective against Libs and Rads.
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Making them live up to their rules of immorality, un-consciencous and dis-honesty (which wouldn’t be so arh actually) would put-off even the most vacuous hooplehead!

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@Ed

I agree 10% with you, good zoomie-sir, as I have it on PDF, and along with the work of Ayres, have taught my kids how to recognize their work.

You wrote:

OTOH, recommending Alinsky to primary school teachers for their classes, school administrators as policy guidance, and students at less than the highest levels is, exactly as suggested in the original posting, an attempt at indoctrination of that population.

It is in light of this, that I made my comment.

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4. “Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.”

This rule only works under the assumption that the “enemy” has morals, a conscience and honesty.

Today’s unwashed masses have such short, selective memories and vulnerability to “spin” that I would doubt this is effective against Libs and Rads.

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Patvann,

There is nothing wrong with reading the philosophy of your opponents. You can’t beat an enemy you don’t know or understand. It has nothing to do with being “unwilling or unable to accept the Constitution” or having “their head on straight”.

If I’m going to teach government (which I do despite a rather checkered past as a career fighter pilot), then I will probably be a bit better at it if I can discuss Mao and Lenin and Alinsky and Che with actual knowledge of their theory, tactics and goals.

If a teacher is going to try to teach a class how to live and work for success in business and in the American political process then knowing what your enemy is likely to do can only be a benefit.

OTOH, recommending Alinsky to primary school teachers for their classes, school administrators as policy guidance, and students at less than the highest levels is, exactly as suggested in the original posting, an attempt at indoctrination of that population.

Blinding yourself to your enemy either means your own ideas can’t stand the challenge of comparison or you are preparing to lose the battle. Maybe both.

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A critical question to ask would be “recommended reading” for whom?

By those unwilling and unable to accept the Constitution, and are in too weak of a position to use the tools within it to change it. (By getting the majority of Americans to see the benefit of their proposals.)

They know damn well no one with their head on straight would accept what they have to say, unless couched in lies, and/or unless they are bribed into it. (IE Politicians who then implement it by fiat or regulation.)

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Alinsky devised and proved thirteen tactical rules for use against opponents vastly superior in power and wealth.
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I like them actually. WE should use them too! muuuu hahahaha

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“The American Radical will fight privilege and power whether it be inherited or acquired by any small group, whether it be political or financial or organized creed.”

SO WHEN WILL THEY BE ATTACKING AL GORE, NANCY PELOSI, ETC?

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A critical question to ask would be “recommended reading” for whom? If it is recommended for teachers, particularly high school teachers who might be addressing issues of history, government, revolution, Marxism, the American civil rights movement, etc. then the books could be justified in the same manner as reading Lenin, Marx, Hitler and John Maynard Keynes.

If the books are recommended for classroom use then I’d say only under the most controlled circumstances and in AP courses.

Alinsky’s “13 rules” could easily have been penned by Sun-Tsu or Machiavelli!

“Know Your Enemy” is a great philosophy to adopt.

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figures that they want them reading this crap. the teachers union protects teachers that should never be in a classroom. one of my sons middle school teachers should be put out topasture. she loses their work, forgets to record, then sends these reports home that state theya remissing half their work then you get all this corrected work back and its the stuff she still insists is missing. you have to ram the papers under her nose and then she says she is still trying to learnt he grading? are you freaking kidding me? she has taught longer than i have been alive. and she is very into the leftwing bull. she demanded that my son redo a paper on sotomayer, singing her praises of course because she said his wasnt turned in. my sons paper referred to her as a bigot, and underquailified due to her lack of impartiality. well low and behold when she still had the paper marked as missing and i was holding his corrected copy in my hand she said it was inapropreate.

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