@MataHarley:

He was always a free spirit. After the swimming hole incident he went back to skinny dipping under the bridge which was part of State Street that ran right down the middle of our town. This year he was the Grand Marshal of the Fourth of July parade, same street. Wish I could have been there we would have had some good laughs.

Hersh isn’t being critical of the president, he’s badmouthing the Pentagon and with the Democracy Corp polling you just posted, there’s no reason to believe the Generals in the Pentagon are no different than the public’s or Republican’s racial views. The problem isn’t what color Obama is, it’s his missing spine and penchant to function politically instead of in the best interests of our troops.

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Missy, the beard is kinda a “uniform” for those “rugged individualists” male m’cycle riders. It helps hide the 80mph “face flap”. LOL Despite his surprise at his biker appearance, I’m sure you know he was the same inside, and expect he thoroughly enjoyed his Florida rides and activities. It’s one of the best states for riding and regular weekend gathering events and BBQs, IMHO.

Thanks for the article, Trooper. But I feel the need for a shower having Hersh’s delusional rants appearing on my thread! LOL

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Seven lies in under two minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UErR7i2onW0

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@MataHarley:

Sec. Gates seems to be making headway, apparently Obama is going to move up his decision to Nov. 7. Then we have to worry about the decision.

What I find absolutely rediculous is his reliance on people like Biden, Kerry and Emanuel, his stupidity is there for all to see. I know longer want to hear about this brilliant president, it just isn’t so, he doesn’t have it.

@MataHarley:

I remember many of his supporters taking his “I did not vote for the war” comment literally. He’s still putting it out there, it all goes back to having attended an anti-war rally at Daley Plaza, whoop-di-doo!

Yesterday there was a youtube posted in a comment section, I’ll try to find it—”Seven lies in under two minutes” it was 1 minute and 47 second excerpt of one of his speeches to be exact.

Thanks Mata and Pat, we were stunned, spent most of the evening going through all the online information, he has been pretty busy these past few years. He was up here a couple of months ago, getting ready to move back. He was one of seven kids, spent lots of time hunting and fishing, was kind and very humble. I was surprised by all the appearences he had done, after Vietnam we all knew about the medal but he would never talk about it. In one of the newspaper articles, some officer retired from the military establishment Len worked at, he never knew Len earned that medal until the day the officer retired.

We were surprised at his hair and beard, he was a handsome man, always dressed nicely, we are kind of wondering if he reverted to that wild stage he went through when he got us all kicked out of our local swimming hole, he, with his girlfriend got caught riding the cows nude. Memories, he will be missed!

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Now a few nuggets of “wisdom” from Mr. Seymour Hersh, a well known delusional Journo that sees a conspiracy coming from the Warriors of Our Tribe.

http://www.heraldsun.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Hersh-+Military+waging+war+with+White+House%20&id=3974209-Hersh-+Military+waging+war+with+White+House&instance=homethirdleft

“By Neil Offen

noffen@heraldsun.com; 419-6646

DURHAM — The U.S. military is not just fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, America’s most renowned investigative journalist says.

The army is also “in a war against the White House — and they feel they have [President] Obama boxed in,” Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter Seymour Hersh told several hundred people in Duke University’s Page Auditorium on Tuesday night. “They think he’s weak and the wrong color. Yes, there’s racism in the Pentagon. We may not like to think that, but it’s true and we all know it.”

In a speech on Obama’s foreign policy, Hersh, who uncovered the My Lai massacre during the Vietnam War and torture at Abu Ghraib prison during the Iraqi war, said many military leaders want Obama to fail.

“A lot of people in the Pentagon would like to see him get into trouble,” he said. By leaking information that the commanding officer in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, says the war would be lost without an additional 40,000 American troops, top brass have put Obama in a no-win situation, Hersh contended.

“If he gives them the extra troops they’re asking for, he loses politically,” Hersh said. “And if he doesn’t give them the troops, he also loses politically.”

The journalist criticized the president for “letting the military do that,” and suggested the only way out was for Obama to stand up to them.

“He’s either going to let the Pentagon run him or he has to run the Pentagon,” Hersh said. If he doesn’t, “this stuff is going to be the ruin of his presidency.”

Hersh called the “Af-Pak” situation — the spreading conflict in Afghanistan and Pakistan — Obama’s main challenge.

The war in Afghanistan has destabilized Pakistan, which has 80 to 100 nuclear weapons, said Hersh, who recently returned from a visit to South Asia. “And the nuclear situation [in Pakistan] is more dire than you could know. It sucks.”

The only way for the U.S. to extricate itself from the conflict, Hersh said, is to negotiate with the Taliban.

“It’s the only way out,” he said. “I know that there’s a lot of discussion in the White House about this now. But Obama is going to have to take charge, and there’s no evidence he’s going to do that.”

While critical of the president on Afghanistan, Hersh, who travels to the Middle East three or four times a year, did praise his foreign policy initiatives toward Iran.

“When it comes to Iran, he’s changed the paradigm,” he said. “[President] Bush always said we’ll negotiate with those duty Iranians about their nuclear enrichment plans when they stop enriching nuclear material. Obama understands there is some room there to maneuver. That’s a huge change.”

He also praised Obama for also changing the paradigm with his decision to shelve plans for a missile defense system in Eastern Europe. Doing that, he said, would help U.S. relations with Russia.

“It’s about time we realize we have a lot in common with the Russians, like worrying about China and global terrorism,” Hersh said.

The missiles, he added, were just a continuation of the Cold War, and “it’s about time for us to capture some of the benefit we were supposed to get from ending the Cold War.”
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From My POV…Mr. Soetero was elected by 53% of American voters and sworn to an Oath pretty much the same as mine:

“I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.” I hold that Oath Sacred.

Now, nowhere does it state that I can ignore portions of the Constitution that I don’t like. Nowhere did it ever state that it had an expiration date. It does not for me.

As I remember I had a spirited discussion on National Command Authority vs Command Responsibility with an FA poster a while back. Authority vs Responsibility. Duly elected…blah, blah, blah. Commander in Chief, blah, blah blah…

My Oath is For LIFE, Mr. Soetero’s is for maybe four years if his associations with ACORN do not blow up in his face. Voting Present is NOT an option.

I was recalled to Active Duty. When I am called I Serve. I’m just waiting for Mr. Soetero to step up and Serve America, Govern and be less than a Pretender, Apologist and Love America like I do.

I am not holding my breath but holding my nose at this point.

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Condolences, Missy. And we are all the benefactors of his presence on this planet. Sorry it was a m’cycle accident, but I’m more than sure he was doing what he loved. And there could be worse ways to go.

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I’m sorry Missy…He is an inspiration to all who matter, and should be to all those who don’t.

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Just learned that my husband and I lost one of our childhood friends. Sorry about Wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_B._Keller

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It should not be a big surprise that there’s frustration in the military ranks. The deeper the doo-doo gets over there, the more Obama goes wee-wee.

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Mercy… no dearth of laughs from what comes from the lips of “the won”…

“When I am this party’s nominee, my opponent will not be able to say that I voted for the war in Iraq; or that I gave George Bush the benefit of the doubt on Iran; or that I supported Bush-Cheney policies of not talking to leaders that we don’t like. And he will not be able to say that I wavered on something as fundamental as whether or not it is ok for America to torture — because it is never ok… I will end the war in Iraq… I will close Guantanamo. I will restore habeas corpus. I will finish the fight against Al Qaeda. And I will lead the world to combat the common threats of the 21st century: nuclear weapons and terrorism; climate change and poverty; genocide and disease. And I will send once more a message to those yearning faces beyond our shores that says, “You matter to us. Your future is our future. And our moment is now.”

— Barack Obama, Des Moines, Iowa, November 10, 2007—

Love to parse this one…

“…my opponent will not be able to say…”

1: “I voted for the war in Iraq” – of course not. He wasn’t a Senator then.

2: “or that I gave George Bush the benefit of the doubt on Iran” – discovering he was correct daily, Obama is

3: “or that I supported Bush-Cheney policies of not talking to leaders that we don’t like” – we’ll give you a point for this one. Seems “the won” is willing to talk to despots and dictators while simultaneously dictating to our allies what they will *not* be doing (i.e. Israel encampments and yanking missile shield defense from our Euro allies). Count me unimpressed with this brand of “diplomacy”

4: “I will end the war in Iraq… ” – tapping toes, tapping toes

5: “I will close Guantanamo” – tapping toes, tapping toes

6: “I will restore habeas corpus.” – hummm. Do ya think the guys held in Bagram heard that? Didn’t think so

7: “I will finish the fight against Al Qaeda.” BWAHAHAHAH Look around. The fight’s in front of his nose, and he’s pacing… pondering political future.

Ah, the “soaring” rhetoric. Aptly named as it’s all pie-in-the-sky candidate mumbo jumbo.

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