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	<title>Comments on: The Huge Middle Class Tax Increase Coming Our Way With ObamaCare</title>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 02:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What amazes me is how you can take your eye off the ball and think you are in the game. Will there be a tax increase? Certainly. But you actually think it is the Healthcare you will be paying for? Heheh. Ok. Sounds like the folks I hear around here that think we spend more on Foreign aid and welfare than DOD. They will die believing it and there is no way of proving otherwise to them. 

Your Tax increase will be going to the Federal reserve who financed our ransom that was paid to the big banks. You think we paid 700B to the banks? Guess again. The federal reserve handed out around 3TRILLION of our dollars. That is what you will pay for. But if it make you feel better blame the nickel spent on healthcare and ignore the $20 that just was robbed from you By Goldman/Lehman and pals. 

This is not quite as pathetic as the arguments I still hear about free choice and responsibility and that there shouldn&#039;t be a law requiring me to carry insurance. Isn&#039;t it the reponsible thing to do to carry insurance and be responsible for you own expenses? I live in Missouri, a state that just voted down a law requiring Health Insurance. Most of them said they don&#039;t want to pay for someone elses healthcare. These teabaggers are the most dim-witted group of people I have ever encountered, but maybe I don&#039;t get around much anymore.

But don&#039;t be mislead by the BS. The bill is 280B over 10 years and a potion of that is recouped from other funds that are already in place that will be obsolete. This &quot;healthcare is killing us&quot; argument will become very popular and probably one of the most push tag-lines of the upcoming elections because people are inherently stupid. Just like people believe the Social Security is full of IOUs and needs to be obolished  or better yet put in the stock market instead of the treasury bonds it is in right now. Another great idea by the village idiot that got us here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>What amazes me is how you can take your eye off the ball and think you are in the game. Will there be a tax increase? Certainly. But you actually think it is the Healthcare you will be paying for? Heheh. Ok. Sounds like the folks I hear around here that think we spend more on Foreign aid and welfare than DOD. They will die believing it and there is no way of proving otherwise to them. </p>
<p>Your Tax increase will be going to the Federal reserve who financed our ransom that was paid to the big banks. You think we paid 700B to the banks? Guess again. The federal reserve handed out around 3TRILLION of our dollars. That is what you will pay for. But if it make you feel better blame the nickel spent on healthcare and ignore the $20 that just was robbed from you By Goldman/Lehman and pals. </p>
<p>This is not quite as pathetic as the arguments I still hear about free choice and responsibility and that there shouldn&#8217;t be a law requiring me to carry insurance. Isn&#8217;t it the reponsible thing to do to carry insurance and be responsible for you own expenses? I live in Missouri, a state that just voted down a law requiring Health Insurance. Most of them said they don&#8217;t want to pay for someone elses healthcare. These teabaggers are the most dim-witted group of people I have ever encountered, but maybe I don&#8217;t get around much anymore.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t be mislead by the BS. The bill is 280B over 10 years and a potion of that is recouped from other funds that are already in place that will be obsolete. This &#8220;healthcare is killing us&#8221; argument will become very popular and probably one of the most push tag-lines of the upcoming elections because people are inherently stupid. Just like people believe the Social Security is full of IOUs and needs to be obolished  or better yet put in the stock market instead of the treasury bonds it is in right now. Another great idea by the village idiot that got us here.</p>
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		<title>By: Madalyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madalyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Obama is doing boggles the mind. He wants to fine people for not having health insurance. If that person just lost his job, how can he afford health insurance or pay a fine. Plus, he is planning on giving amnesty to 20 million illegals. Now, who is going to get a job? Not the American with 15 years experience, but a NEW American with no experience, but trainable. Where is our economy headed? INTO THE TOILET!!! Obama has no clue what is happening. I really feel for all of you who are employed currently, but probably will not be once Obama grants divine intervention to all the illegals. Who does he think he is kidding? God help us all!
Madalyn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>What Obama is doing boggles the mind. He wants to fine people for not having health insurance. If that person just lost his job, how can he afford health insurance or pay a fine. Plus, he is planning on giving amnesty to 20 million illegals. Now, who is going to get a job? Not the American with 15 years experience, but a NEW American with no experience, but trainable. Where is our economy headed? INTO THE TOILET!!! Obama has no clue what is happening. I really feel for all of you who are employed currently, but probably will not be once Obama grants divine intervention to all the illegals. Who does he think he is kidding? God help us all!<br />
Madalyn</p>
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		<title>By: Cuss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cuss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Barry really doesn&#039;t like middle class. Kind of scary the level of which he is ravenously attacking them. The funny part to me is how he ran a &quot;class war&quot; campaign against the rich, and hasn&#039;t really stuck it to them in the slightest... just middle class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Wow, Barry really doesn&#8217;t like middle class. Kind of scary the level of which he is ravenously attacking them. The funny part to me is how he ran a &#8220;class war&#8221; campaign against the rich, and hasn&#8217;t really stuck it to them in the slightest&#8230; just middle class.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another clip from the WSJ op-ed:



&lt;blockquote&gt;Why does it make sense to double down on the kinds of entitlements already in crisis, instead of passing medical malpractice reform and allowing greater competition among insurers? Why should middle-class families pay more than $2,000 on average, by my estimate, in taxes in the process? &lt;/blockquote&gt;



Wouldn&#039;t it be wonderful if we could hold Dems accountable for the promises they have made with ObamaCare? 10 years from now when the program spending is out of control and in as bad a shape as Medicare and Social Security Anyone who voted for this monstrosity should be forced from office. But we all know that won&#039;t happen. Dems never accept responsiblity for their lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Another clip from the WSJ op-ed:</p>
<blockquote><p>Why does it make sense to double down on the kinds of entitlements already in crisis, instead of passing medical malpractice reform and allowing greater competition among insurers? Why should middle-class families pay more than $2,000 on average, by my estimate, in taxes in the process? </p></blockquote>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be wonderful if we could hold Dems accountable for the promises they have made with ObamaCare? 10 years from now when the program spending is out of control and in as bad a shape as Medicare and Social Security Anyone who voted for this monstrosity should be forced from office. But we all know that won&#8217;t happen. Dems never accept responsiblity for their lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Spartan79</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spartan79</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read the bill (which doesn&#039;t exist in any event), but Karl Rove in the WSJ (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703298004574459151157036912.html?mod=googlenews_wsj) states that:

&quot;The numbers may get worse for Democrats if they pass a health-care bill. Why? Because Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D., Mont.) wants to frontload the reforms with distasteful things. Under his plan, tax hikes and Medicare and Medicaid cuts kick in immediately, while new benefits are delayed for two-and-a-half years. Voters likely won&#039;t warm to reforms that slam them next year while promising benefits down the road.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I haven&#8217;t read the bill (which doesn&#8217;t exist in any event), but Karl Rove in the WSJ (<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703298004574459151157036912.html?mod=googlenews_wsj" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703298004574459151157036912.html?mod=googlenews_wsj</a>) states that:</p>
<p>&#8220;The numbers may get worse for Democrats if they pass a health-care bill. Why? Because Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D., Mont.) wants to frontload the reforms with distasteful things. Under his plan, tax hikes and Medicare and Medicaid cuts kick in immediately, while new benefits are delayed for two-and-a-half years. Voters likely won&#8217;t warm to reforms that slam them next year while promising benefits down the road.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: B. Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I understand correctly, the Obamacare tax tsunami is scheduled to start in 2013, corrections welcome.  Rush Limbaugh has made the point that the reason for the tax tsunami being delayed until 1913 is likely the following.  This gives Obama a chance to be re-elected in 2012, before taxpayers really get screwed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>If I understand correctly, the Obamacare tax tsunami is scheduled to start in 2013, corrections welcome.  Rush Limbaugh has made the point that the reason for the tax tsunami being delayed until 1913 is likely the following.  This gives Obama a chance to be re-elected in 2012, before taxpayers really get screwed.</p>
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		<title>By: Spartan79</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spartan79</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m beginning to have some hope that this monstrosity will not pass, once the middle class (which includes a lot of union members) learns how much they will be paying to insure a few million more people. If it does however manage to squeak through, we may be looking at a repeat of the late 80&#039;s section 89 debacle, a brain-child of Dan Rostenkowski and the dems which was an earlier attempt to finagle expanded coverage. Section 89 was so complex, and so infuriated Americans, that it was ingloriously repealed by a still-democrat dominated legislature by an overwhelming vote of 390 to 36.

The fact that Baucus&#039; plan front-loads the costs, while delaying conferring benefits until 2011 and beyond, may increase the prospect of this occurring, since it would be almost impossible to claw back government giveaways once they are under way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I&#8217;m beginning to have some hope that this monstrosity will not pass, once the middle class (which includes a lot of union members) learns how much they will be paying to insure a few million more people. If it does however manage to squeak through, we may be looking at a repeat of the late 80&#8242;s section 89 debacle, a brain-child of Dan Rostenkowski and the dems which was an earlier attempt to finagle expanded coverage. Section 89 was so complex, and so infuriated Americans, that it was ingloriously repealed by a still-democrat dominated legislature by an overwhelming vote of 390 to 36.</p>
<p>The fact that Baucus&#8217; plan front-loads the costs, while delaying conferring benefits until 2011 and beyond, may increase the prospect of this occurring, since it would be almost impossible to claw back government giveaways once they are under way.</p>
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		<title>By: Skookum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skookum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another sad part of this deal, here we are in a major recession, if not the beginning of a depression and they are threatening us with fines of several thousand dollars if we don&#039;t join up.  I am here to tell you, many of us business men and many of us who have lost our jobs are not going to be able to afford this stuff.  When it comes to eating, paying your mortgage and putting fuel in your vehicle to get to the odd job, silly Obama and his basketball games don&#039;t seem to important.  Many of us are trying to keep our homes and make it into next month, not worrying over his friggin thousands more for health insurance fines.  

We have two wars going on!

We have a country that is failing financially!

Can&#039;t he relax with the friggin Marxism, until we get the country going again or is this part of the plan.  

When an American tries to get to his feet, you hit him with a ball bat and kick him until he quits trying.  That&#039;s Chicago Marxism, I know, I don&#039;t need government help, but back up with that ball bat bud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Another sad part of this deal, here we are in a major recession, if not the beginning of a depression and they are threatening us with fines of several thousand dollars if we don&#8217;t join up.  I am here to tell you, many of us business men and many of us who have lost our jobs are not going to be able to afford this stuff.  When it comes to eating, paying your mortgage and putting fuel in your vehicle to get to the odd job, silly Obama and his basketball games don&#8217;t seem to important.  Many of us are trying to keep our homes and make it into next month, not worrying over his friggin thousands more for health insurance fines.  </p>
<p>We have two wars going on!</p>
<p>We have a country that is failing financially!</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t he relax with the friggin Marxism, until we get the country going again or is this part of the plan.  </p>
<p>When an American tries to get to his feet, you hit him with a ball bat and kick him until he quits trying.  That&#8217;s Chicago Marxism, I know, I don&#8217;t need government help, but back up with that ball bat bud.</p>
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