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	<title>Comments on: One RINO Caves To Obama &amp; The Socialist Health Bill Is Now Called &#8220;Bipartisan&#8221; By The WH</title>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-252125&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Norris Hall&lt;/a&gt;: 

Creepy moniker you got there Norris Hall.   Is it in honor of the students that died there or the gunman?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-252125" rel="nofollow">Norris Hall</a>: </p>
<p>Creepy moniker you got there Norris Hall.   Is it in honor of the students that died there or the gunman?</p>
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		<title>By: Norris Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norris Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US should have a system like Taiwan
Under this model, citizens have free range to choose hospitals and physicians without using a gatekeepers,  Working people do not have to worry about losing their jobs or changing jobs because they will not lose their insurance.
 Most preventive services are free such as annual checkups and maternal and child care. Regular office visits have co-payments as low as US $5 per visit. Co-payments are fixed and unvaried by the person’s income.
Every enrollee has a Health IC smart card. This credit-card-size card only contains a kilobyte of memory that includes provider and patient profiles to identify and reduce Insurance Fraud, overcharges, duplication of services and tests. The physician puts the card into a reader and the patient’s medical history and prescriptions come up on a computer screen. The insurer is billed the medical bill and it is automatically paid.
Patients and doctors alike are very satisfied with NHI. Satisfaction has been in the 70 percent range. However, at the beginning of 2006, satisfaction decreased to the mid-60 percent range because the program needed more money to cover its services. Since then, satisfaction has gone back to the 70 percent range.
Taiwan has the lowest administration cost in the world of 2 percent
Taiwan spends a little over 6 percent in GDP and less than US $900 per person...less than half what the US spends
One problem that Taiwan faces is rising health care costs.  Taiwanese don&#039;t bring in enough money to pay for all the services they offer. But Taiwan&#039;s politicians are reluctant to increase premiums: they&#039;re afraid the voters will punish them.
What they need to do is to increase their spending from 6 percent to , say, 8 percent.  A modest increase and Still a far cry from the 15-16% here in the  US

The US model is unsustainable.  The US spends more than twice what other countries spend on health care per citizen.  15% of gdp.  That is way too much to be spending on health care.  And year after year the cost of healthcare far outstrips the rate of inflation.
Either we make changes now....or else and enraged consumers will force more drastic changes down the road. 
For me, I say let the US system keep going down the road it is going...to the point  where we are paying 3 or 4 times what the rest of the world is paying and healthcare costs are eating up 20-25% of gdp.
At that point you won&#039;t have too many Americans left won&#039;t be looking at the health care system other countries like Taiwan with envy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>The US should have a system like Taiwan<br />
Under this model, citizens have free range to choose hospitals and physicians without using a gatekeepers,  Working people do not have to worry about losing their jobs or changing jobs because they will not lose their insurance.<br />
 Most preventive services are free such as annual checkups and maternal and child care. Regular office visits have co-payments as low as US $5 per visit. Co-payments are fixed and unvaried by the person’s income.<br />
Every enrollee has a Health IC smart card. This credit-card-size card only contains a kilobyte of memory that includes provider and patient profiles to identify and reduce Insurance Fraud, overcharges, duplication of services and tests. The physician puts the card into a reader and the patient’s medical history and prescriptions come up on a computer screen. The insurer is billed the medical bill and it is automatically paid.<br />
Patients and doctors alike are very satisfied with NHI. Satisfaction has been in the 70 percent range. However, at the beginning of 2006, satisfaction decreased to the mid-60 percent range because the program needed more money to cover its services. Since then, satisfaction has gone back to the 70 percent range.<br />
Taiwan has the lowest administration cost in the world of 2 percent<br />
Taiwan spends a little over 6 percent in GDP and less than US $900 per person&#8230;less than half what the US spends<br />
One problem that Taiwan faces is rising health care costs.  Taiwanese don&#8217;t bring in enough money to pay for all the services they offer. But Taiwan&#8217;s politicians are reluctant to increase premiums: they&#8217;re afraid the voters will punish them.<br />
What they need to do is to increase their spending from 6 percent to , say, 8 percent.  A modest increase and Still a far cry from the 15-16% here in the  US</p>
<p>The US model is unsustainable.  The US spends more than twice what other countries spend on health care per citizen.  15% of gdp.  That is way too much to be spending on health care.  And year after year the cost of healthcare far outstrips the rate of inflation.<br />
Either we make changes now&#8230;.or else and enraged consumers will force more drastic changes down the road.<br />
For me, I say let the US system keep going down the road it is going&#8230;to the point  where we are paying 3 or 4 times what the rest of the world is paying and healthcare costs are eating up 20-25% of gdp.<br />
At that point you won&#8217;t have too many Americans left won&#8217;t be looking at the health care system other countries like Taiwan with envy.</p>
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		<title>By: Madalyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madalyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fit fit - are you in the process of having a &quot;fit&quot;? Sounds like it. I saw nothing that warranted your reaction. Obviously, you are not a patriot.

Old Trooper, I am an old lady, grew up in Montana, and will stand by your side any day against these treasonous bastards!
Madalyn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Fit fit &#8211; are you in the process of having a &#8220;fit&#8221;? Sounds like it. I saw nothing that warranted your reaction. Obviously, you are not a patriot.</p>
<p>Old Trooper, I am an old lady, grew up in Montana, and will stand by your side any day against these treasonous bastards!<br />
Madalyn</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you support the idea of lynching our Commander-in-Chief, then I&#039;m calling you a traitor.</description>
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		<title>By: Patvann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patvann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey FITFIT..

Calling him a traitor, is calling me a traitor. 

Wanna dance?

Old Trooper. 
You don&#039;t need me at your back, but I&#039;ll be next to you anytime, anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Hey FITFIT..</p>
<p>Calling him a traitor, is calling me a traitor. </p>
<p>Wanna dance?</p>
<p>Old Trooper.<br />
You don&#8217;t need me at your back, but I&#8217;ll be next to you anytime, anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Hard Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hard Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wordsmith, she is exactly the type of RINO I wanted out of the GOP. The NRC needs to stop supporting people like her because they are dems,  not Reps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Wordsmith, she is exactly the type of RINO I wanted out of the GOP. The NRC needs to stop supporting people like her because they are dems,  not Reps.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Trooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Trooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fit fit ...Treason, Traitor?
Make a Citizens arrest...?

Pissing on my boots here is the best day of Your life.
Got a train ride and a plane to catch. 

(Classified)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Fit fit &#8230;Treason, Traitor?<br />
Make a Citizens arrest&#8230;?</p>
<p>Pissing on my boots here is the best day of Your life.<br />
Got a train ride and a plane to catch. </p>
<p>(Classified)</p>
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		<title>By: Old Trooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Trooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Boy! 
Got your goat and fed it.

Your Pretender in Chief needs your support. Put on your knee pads boy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Oh Boy!<br />
Got your goat and fed it.</p>
<p>Your Pretender in Chief needs your support. Put on your knee pads boy.</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I calling BS on you Old Trooper, if all that were true, you&#039;d know better than to threaten the life of the Commander-in-Chief. You&#039;re either a fraud or willing traitor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I calling BS on you Old Trooper, if all that were true, you&#8217;d know better than to threaten the life of the Commander-in-Chief. You&#8217;re either a fraud or willing traitor.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Trooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Trooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fit fit, After training more than a few Secret Service Agents on marksmanship and having more than a few at my house for hunting deer, upland game and holding a clearance that You can&#039;t qualify for, paying more taxes in a year than You legally earn I have more invested in America than You have so no more from you. Horsees that bite get a muzzle. A few nips from you are nothing.

Aleric, Thanks! 
I was at Your Service for years and if I was 30 years younger with what I know now...?

A shower, shave and a few bags to pack. Off to the Stans. 

Because I can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Fit fit, After training more than a few Secret Service Agents on marksmanship and having more than a few at my house for hunting deer, upland game and holding a clearance that You can&#8217;t qualify for, paying more taxes in a year than You legally earn I have more invested in America than You have so no more from you. Horsees that bite get a muzzle. A few nips from you are nothing.</p>
<p>Aleric, Thanks!<br />
I was at Your Service for years and if I was 30 years younger with what I know now&#8230;?</p>
<p>A shower, shave and a few bags to pack. Off to the Stans. </p>
<p>Because I can.</p>
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