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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Some lightweight &#8220;news&#8221; to balance the day&#8230; Hot Heads of State</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Some lightweight &#8220;news&#8221; to balance the day&#8230; Hot Heads of State</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Speaking of Grayson, that would be the same Alan Grayson who was wounded severely when  he went up against Neil Cavuto INRE the Performance for Pay Act he introduced&#8230; a bill that sniffs suspiciously of the same manure that makes up Charlie Rangel&#8217;s HR 1586&#8230;. aka the template for the Senate health care bill. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>[...] Speaking of Grayson, that would be the same Alan Grayson who was wounded severely when  he went up against Neil Cavuto INRE the Performance for Pay Act he introduced&#8230; a bill that sniffs suspiciously of the same manure that makes up Charlie Rangel&#8217;s HR 1586&#8230;. aka the template for the Senate health care bill. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: protagonistman</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/10/08/health-care-plans-for-back-door-passage-agenda-usurps-transparency/#comment-251684</link>
		<dc:creator>protagonistman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just would like to stop hearing about this issue in the media. Everyone knows its stupid. Yet they still clinge to this like a fat women clings to food. I dont get it. Then again im unemployeed and you people with jobs and healthcare now. Youll have to wait long when I go in for a headache. Maybe thats how I&#039;ll fight it. No reason not to abuse the bill. Make them regret it.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogtoilet.com/2009/10/02/politics-can-be-wacky/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Two Voices&lt;/a&gt; &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogtoilet.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Two Guys&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I just would like to stop hearing about this issue in the media. Everyone knows its stupid. Yet they still clinge to this like a fat women clings to food. I dont get it. Then again im unemployeed and you people with jobs and healthcare now. Youll have to wait long when I go in for a headache. Maybe thats how I&#8217;ll fight it. No reason not to abuse the bill. Make them regret it.<br />
<a href="http://www.blogtoilet.com/2009/10/02/politics-can-be-wacky/" rel="nofollow">Two Voices</a> | <a href="http://www.blogtoilet.com" rel="nofollow">Two Guys</a></p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/10/08/health-care-plans-for-back-door-passage-agenda-usurps-transparency/#comment-251593</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 03:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo Missy... wonder why Olympia would even bother with the Baucus CBO analysis since it&#039;s a moot point.  As the events and statements from the asses mouths themselves confirm, what the CBO analyzed isn&#039;t what will be inserted into HR 1586.  You might as well be counting the cash register&#039;s penny coin receptacle, ignoring the nickels, dimes, quarters and bills, and trying to balance the register receipts on the penny count alone.

But at least Ms. Snowe can trek back to Maine and say &quot;hey, I read it&quot;....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Yo Missy&#8230; wonder why Olympia would even bother with the Baucus CBO analysis since it&#8217;s a moot point.  As the events and statements from the asses mouths themselves confirm, what the CBO analyzed isn&#8217;t what will be inserted into HR 1586.  You might as well be counting the cash register&#8217;s penny coin receptacle, ignoring the nickels, dimes, quarters and bills, and trying to balance the register receipts on the penny count alone.</p>
<p>But at least Ms. Snowe can trek back to Maine and say &#8220;hey, I read it&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/10/08/health-care-plans-for-back-door-passage-agenda-usurps-transparency/#comment-251592</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 03:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is reading and assimilating beyond your capability, Ivan?  Reid&#039;s own mouthpieces admit what they are doing... writing the bills in committees sans transparency and public consumption.  His aids have confirmed they plan to strip out text and essentially insert the merged HELP and Baucus/revamped committee version - written with the aid of the WH - onto what is essentially blank letter head from the House of Representatives in order to usurp the Congressional mandate that tax spending originate in the House.

You, American citizen, aren&#039;t incensed at this mutiliation of Constitutional due process, and just dumbly nod your head, saying &quot;everybody does it&quot;.

No, this isn&#039;t a common practice for a bill with this spending magnitude and reconstruct of the private and current public options health industry.

So I guess my first assessment of you is correct, but somewhat incomplete.  Reading and assimilating are not only beyond your capabilities, but magnified by your complacence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Is reading and assimilating beyond your capability, Ivan?  Reid&#8217;s own mouthpieces admit what they are doing&#8230; writing the bills in committees sans transparency and public consumption.  His aids have confirmed they plan to strip out text and essentially insert the merged HELP and Baucus/revamped committee version &#8211; written with the aid of the WH &#8211; onto what is essentially blank letter head from the House of Representatives in order to usurp the Congressional mandate that tax spending originate in the House.</p>
<p>You, American citizen, aren&#8217;t incensed at this mutiliation of Constitutional due process, and just dumbly nod your head, saying &#8220;everybody does it&#8221;.</p>
<p>No, this isn&#8217;t a common practice for a bill with this spending magnitude and reconstruct of the private and current public options health industry.</p>
<p>So I guess my first assessment of you is correct, but somewhat incomplete.  Reading and assimilating are not only beyond your capabilities, but magnified by your complacence.</p>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/10/08/health-care-plans-for-back-door-passage-agenda-usurps-transparency/#comment-251555</link>
		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry&#039;s last hurrah, he&#039;s taking one for the team, or he&#039;s simply ready to retire back to Porchlight to enjoy the ill gotten spoils from his Senate career, in that case he could give a crap, just ram it through, how he gets it done, matters not.  Surely, this would be the final nail in his coffin with the folks in Nevada.

But, didn&#039;t they play this to a tee, griping about the party of no out of one side of their mouths, pumping the bi-partisan Senate Finance Committee out of the other and holding out all hope for the support of that moderate Maine liberal, Olympia Snowe who has also merited Obama&#039;s personal attention.  She&#039;s still a player, btw:


&lt;blockquote&gt;U.S. Senator Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine) today released the following statement regarding the analysis by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) on the amended Finance Committee health reform legislation: 

“I appreciate the hard work of CBO and the Joint Committee on Taxation in preparing their projections in such a short time. We just received this report and I still must thoroughly review and evaluate this analysis before deciding how to proceed in the Finance Committee markup.  My constituents want – and deserve – decision-making based on facts and figures.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://snowe.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.PressReleases&amp;ContentRecord_id=3148e8b9-802a-23ad-46ad-8e379175c78e

They don&#039;t want her for bipartisanship, they want her body, as long as it votes their way because they know they aren&#039;t getting all their democrats.  All in all, the only thing missing in this mess was the lights and cameras, now we know why.

Just read through a yahoo article but accidently lost it, interesting were comments by the most brilliant Debbie Stabenow describing the work ahead for Harry Reid in one word, &quot;tough.&quot;  Kent Conrad offered a bit more content in his praise of Harry the Great, but since it was more than one word I&#039;ll pass on trying to remember his comment, one of those had to be there things but he was serious......and, also deceptive.  

Anyway, the article was fluff, written to give the idea the hardworking democrats will be working even harder with King Harry leading this bill all the way to Obama&#039;s desk, not giving a hint about the despicable short cut the powers that be, three Senators and their staff, are planning to take.  Oh and yes, the White House will get their hands on it too before the dirty trick is pulled off.  If this succeeds, watch for Harry and Nancy in front of their podium giving the press the good news while they are proudly standing on our Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Harry&#8217;s last hurrah, he&#8217;s taking one for the team, or he&#8217;s simply ready to retire back to Porchlight to enjoy the ill gotten spoils from his Senate career, in that case he could give a crap, just ram it through, how he gets it done, matters not.  Surely, this would be the final nail in his coffin with the folks in Nevada.</p>
<p>But, didn&#8217;t they play this to a tee, griping about the party of no out of one side of their mouths, pumping the bi-partisan Senate Finance Committee out of the other and holding out all hope for the support of that moderate Maine liberal, Olympia Snowe who has also merited Obama&#8217;s personal attention.  She&#8217;s still a player, btw:</p>
<blockquote><p>U.S. Senator Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine) today released the following statement regarding the analysis by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) on the amended Finance Committee health reform legislation: </p>
<p>“I appreciate the hard work of CBO and the Joint Committee on Taxation in preparing their projections in such a short time. We just received this report and I still must thoroughly review and evaluate this analysis before deciding how to proceed in the Finance Committee markup.  My constituents want – and deserve – decision-making based on facts and figures.”</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://snowe.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.PressReleases&#038;ContentRecord_id=3148e8b9-802a-23ad-46ad-8e379175c78e" rel="nofollow">http://snowe.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.PressReleases&#038;ContentRecord_id=3148e8b9-802a-23ad-46ad-8e379175c78e</a></p>
<p>They don&#8217;t want her for bipartisanship, they want her body, as long as it votes their way because they know they aren&#8217;t getting all their democrats.  All in all, the only thing missing in this mess was the lights and cameras, now we know why.</p>
<p>Just read through a yahoo article but accidently lost it, interesting were comments by the most brilliant Debbie Stabenow describing the work ahead for Harry Reid in one word, &#8220;tough.&#8221;  Kent Conrad offered a bit more content in his praise of Harry the Great, but since it was more than one word I&#8217;ll pass on trying to remember his comment, one of those had to be there things but he was serious&#8230;&#8230;and, also deceptive.  </p>
<p>Anyway, the article was fluff, written to give the idea the hardworking democrats will be working even harder with King Harry leading this bill all the way to Obama&#8217;s desk, not giving a hint about the despicable short cut the powers that be, three Senators and their staff, are planning to take.  Oh and yes, the White House will get their hands on it too before the dirty trick is pulled off.  If this succeeds, watch for Harry and Nancy in front of their podium giving the press the good news while they are proudly standing on our Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: ivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
“This partisan Finance Committee proposal will never see the Senate floor since the real bill will be written by Democrat leaders in a closed-to-the-public conference room somewhere in the Capitol.” 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I guess we can believe that McConnell will be offering his floor opinions in the form of a filibuster, despite polls supporting reform and an option.  It&#039;s also incredible how McConnell was precognitive ... He already knows what the ultimately passed health care bill is going to be, even though there are multiple versions of it floating around. He even knows the figures and even the page count.

Look, he wrote bills behind closed doors when they controlled Congress; he knows this. All this crap is political hotair (for your consumption) amazingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><blockquote><p>
“This partisan Finance Committee proposal will never see the Senate floor since the real bill will be written by Democrat leaders in a closed-to-the-public conference room somewhere in the Capitol.”
</p></blockquote>
<p>I guess we can believe that McConnell will be offering his floor opinions in the form of a filibuster, despite polls supporting reform and an option.  It&#8217;s also incredible how McConnell was precognitive &#8230; He already knows what the ultimately passed health care bill is going to be, even though there are multiple versions of it floating around. He even knows the figures and even the page count.</p>
<p>Look, he wrote bills behind closed doors when they controlled Congress; he knows this. All this crap is political hotair (for your consumption) amazingly.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin, you are always welcome to share anything I write here.  It&#039;s not only all about sharing information, but it would be an honor.  However, remember that I have only expanded upon what Brian Darling has laid out in events... all of which the Dems have copped to in one way or another.  

Ya know, it&#039;s such a twisted version of Congressional loopholes to usurp the Constitutional intent that you have to admire the political criminal minds that came up with this... rather like admiring the strategy and plan of an international jewel thief.

But the reality is we, the citizens, are being shafted by leadership that cares not for the citizens&#039; opinions, but their own agenda.

Davey...  I suspect this Congressional procedure is not that far removed from what you are discussing.  LOL  

I&#039;m not sure whether enough can lobby the Blue Dog House Dems to stop this in the final House vote.  I guess I don&#039;t have your confidence.  It will depend on whether they bow to Pelosi/Obama/Reid pressure and their ability to strip them of cherry committee assignments, or they bow to the Constituents.  

Either way, there&#039;s an inordinate amount of sleaze is oozing from the federal government in all branches.  And Old Trooper is correct.  This is not anything that can be easily reversed... it would be like bringing about a supertanker, running full speed ahead, in less than a mile.  So many government entities will be created and functioning prior to the 2013 official launch of the O&#039;care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Robin, you are always welcome to share anything I write here.  It&#8217;s not only all about sharing information, but it would be an honor.  However, remember that I have only expanded upon what Brian Darling has laid out in events&#8230; all of which the Dems have copped to in one way or another.  </p>
<p>Ya know, it&#8217;s such a twisted version of Congressional loopholes to usurp the Constitutional intent that you have to admire the political criminal minds that came up with this&#8230; rather like admiring the strategy and plan of an international jewel thief.</p>
<p>But the reality is we, the citizens, are being shafted by leadership that cares not for the citizens&#8217; opinions, but their own agenda.</p>
<p>Davey&#8230;  I suspect this Congressional procedure is not that far removed from what you are discussing.  LOL  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure whether enough can lobby the Blue Dog House Dems to stop this in the final House vote.  I guess I don&#8217;t have your confidence.  It will depend on whether they bow to Pelosi/Obama/Reid pressure and their ability to strip them of cherry committee assignments, or they bow to the Constituents.  </p>
<p>Either way, there&#8217;s an inordinate amount of sleaze is oozing from the federal government in all branches.  And Old Trooper is correct.  This is not anything that can be easily reversed&#8230; it would be like bringing about a supertanker, running full speed ahead, in less than a mile.  So many government entities will be created and functioning prior to the 2013 official launch of the O&#8217;care.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Lennon</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/10/08/health-care-plans-for-back-door-passage-agenda-usurps-transparency/#comment-251407</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Lennon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mata,

I&#039;d like to copy your post with full acknowledgment and link at my blog for my Tea Partiers. It is a great explanation of the dems shenanigans. 

Robin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Mata,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to copy your post with full acknowledgment and link at my blog for my Tea Partiers. It is a great explanation of the dems shenanigans. </p>
<p>Robin</p>
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		<title>By: Davey</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/10/08/health-care-plans-for-back-door-passage-agenda-usurps-transparency/#comment-251391</link>
		<dc:creator>Davey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooo! &quot;Back Door Passage&quot; sound too much like an unpleasant medical procedure I recently underwent.  Doubtless with this adminstration&#039;s expertise in this field is without question, but I&#039;m dubious of the outcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Oooo! &#8220;Back Door Passage&#8221; sound too much like an unpleasant medical procedure I recently underwent.  Doubtless with this adminstration&#8217;s expertise in this field is without question, but I&#8217;m dubious of the outcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Norris Hall</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/10/08/health-care-plans-for-back-door-passage-agenda-usurps-transparency/#comment-251385</link>
		<dc:creator>Norris Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like th big losers in the health care debate is the Republican party
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=aw2PamI0GqrU
The tide seems to be turning in Obama&#039;s favor
Maybe we need to call out the &quot;town hall&quot; attack force
If health care passes, all the protests will have been for nothing and Republicans will have to explain why they didn&#039;t have a better health care plan than the Demos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Seems like th big losers in the health care debate is the Republican party<br />
<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=aw2PamI0GqrU" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=aw2PamI0GqrU</a><br />
The tide seems to be turning in Obama&#8217;s favor<br />
Maybe we need to call out the &#8220;town hall&#8221; attack force<br />
If health care passes, all the protests will have been for nothing and Republicans will have to explain why they didn&#8217;t have a better health care plan than the Demos.</p>
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