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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; The People are the Prize</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/10/03/afghanistans-black-hawk-down/comment-page-1/#comment-251143</link>
		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; The People are the Prize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reports, such as the recent news coverage of &#8220;Wanat II&#8221; that left 8 U.S. soldiers dead, can affect public opinion and Taliban morale, creating an [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Twilight Saga: New Moon &#8211; Meet Jacob Black Preview Hd &#124; Twilight Blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Twilight Saga: New Moon &#8211; Meet Jacob Black Preview Hd &#124; Twilight Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 04:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » Afghanistan&#039;s “Black Hawk Down” [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; 8 U.S. Soldiers Killed in Fiercest Battle Since Wanat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; 8 U.S. Soldiers Killed in Fiercest Battle Since Wanat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] yesterday&#8217;s post. Badar, the provincial governor, said he was unaware of American plans to abandon their outpost in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 09:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/03/AR2009100303048.html?hpid=topnews&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WaPo&#039;s account&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<title>By: Gregory_Dittman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory_Dittman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised there still is no end game plan in Afghanistan.  Even the most creative plan calls for the creation of so many Afghanistan police and troops, but the number listed is much more than Afghanistan can afford on its own.  Talks with the Taliban have also been requestion by not only European forces, but the Afghanistan natives even though past talks have been a disaster.

There are models of government that could be used.  One is the city state model based on ancient Greece.  We all learned that ancient Greece was a Democracy.  We also learned that ancient Greece could take on more powerful outside forces, at least until it got corrupt.  What is less talked about is that they fought among themselves such as the Athenians vs the Spartans.  England, China, India and Japan started out the same way (including fighting among themselves) but formed more stable governments later on.  The idea would be to abandon the corrupt federal government of Afghanistan, which has little power outside its city anyways, and strengthen the power bases of the various tribes, especially those that aren&#039;t wishy washy with the Taliban.  The idea is that even though there would still be fighting in Afghanistan during our life time, the tribes would start to form various alliences to the point that Afghanistan turns into a confederacy and maybe then into a federal system the Afghans actually support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I&#8217;m surprised there still is no end game plan in Afghanistan.  Even the most creative plan calls for the creation of so many Afghanistan police and troops, but the number listed is much more than Afghanistan can afford on its own.  Talks with the Taliban have also been requestion by not only European forces, but the Afghanistan natives even though past talks have been a disaster.</p>
<p>There are models of government that could be used.  One is the city state model based on ancient Greece.  We all learned that ancient Greece was a Democracy.  We also learned that ancient Greece could take on more powerful outside forces, at least until it got corrupt.  What is less talked about is that they fought among themselves such as the Athenians vs the Spartans.  England, China, India and Japan started out the same way (including fighting among themselves) but formed more stable governments later on.  The idea would be to abandon the corrupt federal government of Afghanistan, which has little power outside its city anyways, and strengthen the power bases of the various tribes, especially those that aren&#8217;t wishy washy with the Taliban.  The idea is that even though there would still be fighting in Afghanistan during our life time, the tribes would start to form various alliences to the point that Afghanistan turns into a confederacy and maybe then into a federal system the Afghans actually support.</p>
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		<title>By: proof</title>
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		<dc:creator>proof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sickens me that our troops are in harm&#039;s way and Obama is more concerned about where the 2016 Olympics will be held!</description>
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