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	<title>Comments on: Obama’s Blunder On Iran [Reader Post]</title>
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		<title>By: James Raider</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/09/28/obama%e2%80%99s-blunder-on-iran-reader-post/#comment-250316</link>
		<dc:creator>James Raider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@  Missy,

... Now that&#039;s funny.  Thanks for the morning humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@  Missy,</p>
<p>&#8230; Now that&#8217;s funny.  Thanks for the morning humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/09/28/obama%e2%80%99s-blunder-on-iran-reader-post/#comment-250302</link>
		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those Ruskies don&#039;t waste any time.

&lt;blockquote&gt;All summer, Kremlin officials hinted that hostilities between Russia and Georgia could rise to a boil again. Now it looks as if Moscow has decided to turn up the heat. &lt;strong&gt;Last week &lt;/strong&gt;a Russian patrol boat carrying rockets docked in a port along the coast of Abkhazia, one of Georgia&#039;s Russian-backed breakaway republics. Moscow has promised nine more ships to follow. They will confront a small fleet of U.S.-supplied Georgian gunboats, which until now have effectively blockaded Abkhazia, seizing ships--including a Turkish tanker--attempting to supply the rebel government. So far the Georgian boats have made no attempt to confront the Russians.&lt;strong&gt; But the arrival of the Russian Navy puts Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili and his U.S. allies in a bind. The last thing that President Obama wants is a renewed Russo-Georgian war, especially now that he has &quot;reset&quot; relations with Moscow by scrapping a missile-defense program that the Kremlin had fervently opposed. At the same time, being forced to lift the blockade of Abkhazia would be a major defeat for Saakashvili, a key democratic U.S. ally in a turbulent region&lt;/strong&gt;. Moscow&#039;s hardliners seem determined to reassert their influence--one Russian parliamentarian warned that Georgia is &quot;running around a barrel full of gasoline with a burning torch.&quot; It could be a hot winter.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/wealthofnations/archive/2009/09/28/the-coming-russia-georgia-clash-over-abkhazia.aspx

Just curious, did the whiz kid in the White House give Georgia and the break-aways to Russia so the Russians would allow him to dump missile defense?  Is that what he got out of the deal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Those Ruskies don&#8217;t waste any time.</p>
<blockquote><p>All summer, Kremlin officials hinted that hostilities between Russia and Georgia could rise to a boil again. Now it looks as if Moscow has decided to turn up the heat. <strong>Last week </strong>a Russian patrol boat carrying rockets docked in a port along the coast of Abkhazia, one of Georgia&#8217;s Russian-backed breakaway republics. Moscow has promised nine more ships to follow. They will confront a small fleet of U.S.-supplied Georgian gunboats, which until now have effectively blockaded Abkhazia, seizing ships&#8211;including a Turkish tanker&#8211;attempting to supply the rebel government. So far the Georgian boats have made no attempt to confront the Russians.<strong> But the arrival of the Russian Navy puts Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili and his U.S. allies in a bind. The last thing that President Obama wants is a renewed Russo-Georgian war, especially now that he has &#8220;reset&#8221; relations with Moscow by scrapping a missile-defense program that the Kremlin had fervently opposed. At the same time, being forced to lift the blockade of Abkhazia would be a major defeat for Saakashvili, a key democratic U.S. ally in a turbulent region</strong>. Moscow&#8217;s hardliners seem determined to reassert their influence&#8211;one Russian parliamentarian warned that Georgia is &#8220;running around a barrel full of gasoline with a burning torch.&#8221; It could be a hot winter.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/wealthofnations/archive/2009/09/28/the-coming-russia-georgia-clash-over-abkhazia.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/wealthofnations/archive/2009/09/28/the-coming-russia-georgia-clash-over-abkhazia.aspx</a></p>
<p>Just curious, did the whiz kid in the White House give Georgia and the break-aways to Russia so the Russians would allow him to dump missile defense?  Is that what he got out of the deal?</p>
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		<title>By: James Raider</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/09/28/obama%e2%80%99s-blunder-on-iran-reader-post/#comment-250284</link>
		<dc:creator>James Raider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just in case there is any doubt, Ahmadinejad has gone home and told his Iranian audience that the West would soon regret the stance it has taken towards its uranium enrichment plant.

Why is there so much pablum eating here by the MSM?  The ayatolahs are hiding more than it appears we know. Regardless, they are determined to have their nuclear weapons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Just in case there is any doubt, Ahmadinejad has gone home and told his Iranian audience that the West would soon regret the stance it has taken towards its uranium enrichment plant.</p>
<p>Why is there so much pablum eating here by the MSM?  The ayatolahs are hiding more than it appears we know. Regardless, they are determined to have their nuclear weapons.</p>
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		<title>By: Patvann</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/09/28/obama%e2%80%99s-blunder-on-iran-reader-post/#comment-250217</link>
		<dc:creator>Patvann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ OIAJD

I don&#039;t think we&#039;re too dumb to see it, because so many of us DO see it! (I give you the TEAParty&#039;s and his sinking approval numbers) It&#039;s just that all too many of our countrymen have either placed blinders on themselves, or actually think they WANT this to all happen. (Hear us Obama!)

As far as his stupidness goes, notice the time and place of Teh Stoopid...It&#039;s always when he&#039;s trying to sound/be moderate or worthy of the particular office he&#039;s aiming at, and goes off script. It&#039;s not that he doesn&#039;t know what to say to placate us Conservatives, he simply wasn&#039;t recently &quot;boned-up&quot; on those issues prior to a particular speech. And if Mr. Prompter is there, why bother memorizing anything? I chalk it up to: &quot;Too lazy to memorize the speech.&quot;

When you hear him talk with his acolytes at Accorn, or the rich liberal snobs in SanFran, he no longer needs the &#039;prompter, (but still has it) and sounds smooth-as-silk, with no babbling, of stuttering. It&#039;s because he&#039;s in his element with people who have the same goals as him. He spoke from the heart, in the same way (but a 180 opposite POV) Sarah did during her acceptance speech, when HER teleprompter went haywire, and yet she still came off great.

It&#039;s hard to be smooth, when one doesn&#039;t believe what one is saying, teleprompter or not. 

We could, of course challenge him on world and American historical knowledge, and compare him to you, for example, and he would end up looking as retarded as a few of our regular gadfly posters lurking around here, but that isn&#039;t the kind of &quot;smarts&quot; I am implying.

But in the realm of Progressive (Stalinist) electoral tactics, the use of language and rhetoric, and the manipulation of voting masses, he&#039;s head and shoulders above the average man, including most lefty political-science professors. He understands economics just as well as Milton Friedman, because he MUST understand it, in order to destroy it in the manner he is doing.

We might hope/assume he&#039;s a puppet on a string, but those people are around him only to help move their (and his) cause through the protocols of our government system, and to shape the overall message with the dumb-masses. He has been a champion of capital-destruction long before he ever met any of them, and was even aware enough of his radical-thought enough to ensure he left no discernible paper-trails haunted him while in Illinois, or the Senate. (Present!)

I hope to god you&#039;re right, and I&#039;m wrong, because if we are up against mere stupidity, it becomes an easier battle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@ OIAJD</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re too dumb to see it, because so many of us DO see it! (I give you the TEAParty&#8217;s and his sinking approval numbers) It&#8217;s just that all too many of our countrymen have either placed blinders on themselves, or actually think they WANT this to all happen. (Hear us Obama!)</p>
<p>As far as his stupidness goes, notice the time and place of Teh Stoopid&#8230;It&#8217;s always when he&#8217;s trying to sound/be moderate or worthy of the particular office he&#8217;s aiming at, and goes off script. It&#8217;s not that he doesn&#8217;t know what to say to placate us Conservatives, he simply wasn&#8217;t recently &#8220;boned-up&#8221; on those issues prior to a particular speech. And if Mr. Prompter is there, why bother memorizing anything? I chalk it up to: &#8220;Too lazy to memorize the speech.&#8221;</p>
<p>When you hear him talk with his acolytes at Accorn, or the rich liberal snobs in SanFran, he no longer needs the &#8216;prompter, (but still has it) and sounds smooth-as-silk, with no babbling, of stuttering. It&#8217;s because he&#8217;s in his element with people who have the same goals as him. He spoke from the heart, in the same way (but a 180 opposite POV) Sarah did during her acceptance speech, when HER teleprompter went haywire, and yet she still came off great.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to be smooth, when one doesn&#8217;t believe what one is saying, teleprompter or not. </p>
<p>We could, of course challenge him on world and American historical knowledge, and compare him to you, for example, and he would end up looking as retarded as a few of our regular gadfly posters lurking around here, but that isn&#8217;t the kind of &#8220;smarts&#8221; I am implying.</p>
<p>But in the realm of Progressive (Stalinist) electoral tactics, the use of language and rhetoric, and the manipulation of voting masses, he&#8217;s head and shoulders above the average man, including most lefty political-science professors. He understands economics just as well as Milton Friedman, because he MUST understand it, in order to destroy it in the manner he is doing.</p>
<p>We might hope/assume he&#8217;s a puppet on a string, but those people are around him only to help move their (and his) cause through the protocols of our government system, and to shape the overall message with the dumb-masses. He has been a champion of capital-destruction long before he ever met any of them, and was even aware enough of his radical-thought enough to ensure he left no discernible paper-trails haunted him while in Illinois, or the Senate. (Present!)</p>
<p>I hope to god you&#8217;re right, and I&#8217;m wrong, because if we are up against mere stupidity, it becomes an easier battle.</p>
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		<title>By: John ryan</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/09/28/obama%e2%80%99s-blunder-on-iran-reader-post/#comment-250212</link>
		<dc:creator>John ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iran is deeply thankful  for the removal of its arch enemy Saddam and installing a pro Iranian government in Baghdad.  Perhaps Obama should remind them of that ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Iran is deeply thankful  for the removal of its arch enemy Saddam and installing a pro Iranian government in Baghdad.  Perhaps Obama should remind them of that ?</p>
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		<title>By: ObamaIsAJugearedDunce</title>
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		<dc:creator>ObamaIsAJugearedDunce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patvann:

&quot;Obama and Co are not stupid, nor naive.&quot;

Well that&#039;s one way of considering the dunce&#039;s slo mo train wreck presidency- that of the &quot;eeeevil geniuses behind the telegenic jabbering imbecile who are so smart they&#039;re ten moves ahead, only we&#039;re too dumb to see it.&quot;

The other school of thought is that spendypants is a callow stuttering boob, with nothing but a career in vomiting stupid out his vacuous yet capacious piehole. He has no clue what to do, because basically he is the peter principle to the power of &#039;leventy billion (a number half of what his deficits will be if he succeeds in screwing up our country like he wants). 

You chose the former. I chose the latter- occam&#039;s razor and all that. 

No offense, but I reeeeeeeeeally hope I&#039;m right on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Patvann:</p>
<p>&#8220;Obama and Co are not stupid, nor naive.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well that&#8217;s one way of considering the dunce&#8217;s slo mo train wreck presidency- that of the &#8220;eeeevil geniuses behind the telegenic jabbering imbecile who are so smart they&#8217;re ten moves ahead, only we&#8217;re too dumb to see it.&#8221;</p>
<p>The other school of thought is that spendypants is a callow stuttering boob, with nothing but a career in vomiting stupid out his vacuous yet capacious piehole. He has no clue what to do, because basically he is the peter principle to the power of &#8216;leventy billion (a number half of what his deficits will be if he succeeds in screwing up our country like he wants). </p>
<p>You chose the former. I chose the latter- occam&#8217;s razor and all that. </p>
<p>No offense, but I reeeeeeeeeally hope I&#8217;m right on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: James Raider</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Raider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 06:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@  Some Patriot,

1.  As I noted in the article, quoting a senior official, but there are plenty of others quotations available, Russia&#039;s response was overt amusement, even laughter, and general head shaking, at the Obama announcement.  Strangely, the American MSM didn&#039;t perceive any of it as a BLUNDER.

2.   Your sentiment, while wishful, should not be the Commander In Chief&#039;s principal modus operendi, as appears to be the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@  Some Patriot,</p>
<p>1.  As I noted in the article, quoting a senior official, but there are plenty of others quotations available, Russia&#8217;s response was overt amusement, even laughter, and general head shaking, at the Obama announcement.  Strangely, the American MSM didn&#8217;t perceive any of it as a BLUNDER.</p>
<p>2.   Your sentiment, while wishful, should not be the Commander In Chief&#8217;s principal modus operendi, as appears to be the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Patvann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patvann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We know we got nothing in return, because the leadership of Russia said we got nothing in return, along with Russia not returning anything. The two kinda go together. 

It was Obama/Clinton telling Russia about the undisclosed enrichment site in Iran that we used as an onus to get them to help us out in the UN, but all that happened was the Russians in-turn told the Iranians that America/West knew...and THAT&#039;S why Iamadinnerjacket made the end-around and disclosed it publicly last week at the UN, thus making Obama look stupid.

Russia WANTS and needs America weakened in order to run roughshod over Europe. They want and need Israel to attack Iran, so that fuel prices go up, thus giving the now largest exporter of oil-products in the world more money and influence. Russia NEEDS the worlds capital-economy to fail in order to take Asia/China down.

Guess who&#039;s left standing with no bruses, and not a shot fired?

While we all say we hope Iran&#039;s people will revolt, the guy they want is they guy who started the nuke-program, and was a close associate of Khommeni, so it follows that none of their present foreign-policy direction will change. There is no one in Iran threatening the Mullah&#039;s power-structure or the Khommenist hard-line stand. They will NOT suddenly become Lichtenstein.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>We know we got nothing in return, because the leadership of Russia said we got nothing in return, along with Russia not returning anything. The two kinda go together. </p>
<p>It was Obama/Clinton telling Russia about the undisclosed enrichment site in Iran that we used as an onus to get them to help us out in the UN, but all that happened was the Russians in-turn told the Iranians that America/West knew&#8230;and THAT&#8217;S why Iamadinnerjacket made the end-around and disclosed it publicly last week at the UN, thus making Obama look stupid.</p>
<p>Russia WANTS and needs America weakened in order to run roughshod over Europe. They want and need Israel to attack Iran, so that fuel prices go up, thus giving the now largest exporter of oil-products in the world more money and influence. Russia NEEDS the worlds capital-economy to fail in order to take Asia/China down.</p>
<p>Guess who&#8217;s left standing with no bruses, and not a shot fired?</p>
<p>While we all say we hope Iran&#8217;s people will revolt, the guy they want is they guy who started the nuke-program, and was a close associate of Khommeni, so it follows that none of their present foreign-policy direction will change. There is no one in Iran threatening the Mullah&#8217;s power-structure or the Khommenist hard-line stand. They will NOT suddenly become Lichtenstein.</p>
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		<title>By: Some Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 04:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Obama gave up a major negotiating card that could have been used to push Russia toward joining the strengthening of sanctions against Iran. &quot;

Respectfully, how do you know that he got nothing in return? 

I&#039;m not willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt on this, but if there has been a deal that will result in strong, broad sanctions that take effect very soon, that could be what we need. 

The ideal here is to change the government of Iran. The simplest way to do that would be that the people rise up. Maybe they will if food and gas shoot up in price. Once there is a new government, we can get them to turn over all the information and weapons-related material. 

I don&#039;t know if that is what Obama wants, but maybe that will happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>&#8220;Obama gave up a major negotiating card that could have been used to push Russia toward joining the strengthening of sanctions against Iran. &#8221;</p>
<p>Respectfully, how do you know that he got nothing in return? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt on this, but if there has been a deal that will result in strong, broad sanctions that take effect very soon, that could be what we need. </p>
<p>The ideal here is to change the government of Iran. The simplest way to do that would be that the people rise up. Maybe they will if food and gas shoot up in price. Once there is a new government, we can get them to turn over all the information and weapons-related material. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if that is what Obama wants, but maybe that will happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Patvann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patvann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 03:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Obama, this is not a blunder, or even anything he does not see coming.

He is counting on the conflagration to happen.

Let&#039;s look at what is happening, what will happen, and how he&#039;s pushing it to happen...

-Israel will made to feel cornered and out of options, seeing that the last hope for her concerns be assuaged (USA) has abandon her.

-Israel will attack Iran within 6 months hence.

-Oil prices go north of $300/barrel. (Persian Gulf closed off/East coast of Arabia attacked)

-Gas prices go north of $5/ gallon. (He has previously stated he wants to see that price.)

-He can then blame ALL economic problems on Israel, especially the ones he&#039;s caused.

After this, he can USE THE CRISIS to further his agenda...

-Cut all ties with Israel. Refuse to help with defending against HezbAllah, Hamas, and Syria when they are used to counter-attack Israel. Western support of Israel is gone.

-Mandatory energy conservation on a massive scale. (Cap and trade re-introduced, carbon trading begins on a massive scale to pay off supporters.)

-Pulling troops out of Quatar, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghan, et al (for their own safety!)

-Stock market crash. (More control/restrictions of Wall Street)

-Dollar crash, reducing our debt with China through instant inflation or even reneging on the debt due to deflation, as long as capitalism and/or past-presidents and others can be blamed, and China screwed, his narcissism and plan will remain whole.

-More people out of work and on the public dole. (Gov healthcare re-intro&#039;ed, along with every other favorite socialist program.)

-&quot;Change&quot; completed.-


Obama and Co are not stupid, nor naive. There is a purpose, but that purpose is so horrible, we observers find it hard to accept. The key is to first kill off the hopes of freedom. We&#039;ve seen the abandonment of the other Holders-of-Light, now it&#039;s time to extinguish the second-brightest, then lastly turn off our own Beacon on the Hill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>To Obama, this is not a blunder, or even anything he does not see coming.</p>
<p>He is counting on the conflagration to happen.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at what is happening, what will happen, and how he&#8217;s pushing it to happen&#8230;</p>
<p>-Israel will made to feel cornered and out of options, seeing that the last hope for her concerns be assuaged (USA) has abandon her.</p>
<p>-Israel will attack Iran within 6 months hence.</p>
<p>-Oil prices go north of $300/barrel. (Persian Gulf closed off/East coast of Arabia attacked)</p>
<p>-Gas prices go north of $5/ gallon. (He has previously stated he wants to see that price.)</p>
<p>-He can then blame ALL economic problems on Israel, especially the ones he&#8217;s caused.</p>
<p>After this, he can USE THE CRISIS to further his agenda&#8230;</p>
<p>-Cut all ties with Israel. Refuse to help with defending against HezbAllah, Hamas, and Syria when they are used to counter-attack Israel. Western support of Israel is gone.</p>
<p>-Mandatory energy conservation on a massive scale. (Cap and trade re-introduced, carbon trading begins on a massive scale to pay off supporters.)</p>
<p>-Pulling troops out of Quatar, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghan, et al (for their own safety!)</p>
<p>-Stock market crash. (More control/restrictions of Wall Street)</p>
<p>-Dollar crash, reducing our debt with China through instant inflation or even reneging on the debt due to deflation, as long as capitalism and/or past-presidents and others can be blamed, and China screwed, his narcissism and plan will remain whole.</p>
<p>-More people out of work and on the public dole. (Gov healthcare re-intro&#8217;ed, along with every other favorite socialist program.)</p>
<p>-&#8221;Change&#8221; completed.-</p>
<p>Obama and Co are not stupid, nor naive. There is a purpose, but that purpose is so horrible, we observers find it hard to accept. The key is to first kill off the hopes of freedom. We&#8217;ve seen the abandonment of the other Holders-of-Light, now it&#8217;s time to extinguish the second-brightest, then lastly turn off our own Beacon on the Hill.</p>
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