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I mean 10 examples of really good ones. My apologies.

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Yes,Blast. Bush-Cheneys’ justification for Iraq war 2 in which they “were misled” by the Al Qaida link to Saddam, “misled” by the uranium yellow cake from Nigeria and this could go on and on.

And, by the way, how could they get “misled” when they have at their disposal the powerful and smart CIA and FBI men and women in uniforms? So that “misled” explanation does not even faze me.

But at least, their tandem tried to enlist (“fool?”) the CIA and the FBI into accepting the lies that they want so as to attack Iraq (which was a sovereign State before the invasion no matter how bad Saddam is.)

As to guess who?

Guess who has been saying one thing and then doing the opposite which makes guess who a much more dangerous one.

Here are 5 examples of really good ones: (with apologies to buuuuuurning hot.)

1. I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ‘08 – LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

2. I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill – LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation – mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

3. I Don’t Take PAC Money – LIAR, you take loads of it.

4. I don’t Have Lobbysists – LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

5. I Have Always Been Against Iraq – LIAR, you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date – AGAIN.

6. I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate – LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate – for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.

7. I Am Tough On Terrorism – LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel .

8. I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year – LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

9. I Want Americans To Decide – LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

10. No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA – LIAR, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

So does that make guess who a liar or what? The Bush-Cheney tandem at least “misled” us only in 1 aspect: the war on terror.(Not that their actions are condonable).

Guess who? has “misled” us on many occasions that he has become the epitome of the boy who cried “wolf”. Remember the fable? If you do not, here is a refresher:

It is about a boy who always yells “the wolves are here!” just so he has a good laugh. After several attempts of this in which the villagers always go to his aid, there comes a time when the wolves were really there and so his yells were not heeded anymore because the villagers did not believe him anymore. Guess who has become one of the villagers? Me.

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Blast

What Lemonv is probably saying is that Obama is in a class of his own on lying.

Re buying insurance across state lines. Presently, insurance companies are the ones deciding how to expand their businesses. If they were forced to insure across state lines, then the government would be the ones deciding how large their companies become. They would be forced to buy licenses in all states on the theory that even one person would want to buy insurance in that state. I doubt the insurance companies want to get that bulky. Not only that but they would be forced to have the expense of offices in all states. A money losing operation.

The ideal for this case is for the insurance companies to have an agreement to cover employees who move or change jobs with no lapse of coverage. Also for them to agree to cover random people with pre-existing condition on the same basis that groups are now covered i.e. after 255 days. To not be able to turn down any one but to have exceptions with time limits. All this is really all we need other than show proof of citizenship. The government could also mandate that emergency rooms not cover illegals exept for life threatening illnesses. Maybe some of these illegals would go home to be treated then. The government could also give a tax credit for insurance premiums instead of a tax deduction. That would put individual insurors on par with groups. This, of course, will never happen. Better and cheaper healthcare is not the objective of Obama and the democrats. Nationalizing healthcare and controlling the elctorate is their goal. And even if that was not their goal, government is not into common sense.

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lemonv: He (guess who?) makes the Bush-Cheney tandem looks like patzers in comparison.

Are you suggesting Bush-Cheney were big liars, but just not as big as he (guess who)?

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Found this on Wikipedia under Big Lie:

Big Lie is a propaganda technique in which the lie is so complex that the public will either dismiss it as impossible or choose not to believe it out of willful ignorance. It was defined by Adolf Hitler in his 1925 autobiography Mein Kampf as a lie so “colossal” that no one would believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously”.

Used in Hitler’s psychological profile

The phrase was also used in a report prepared during the war by the United States Office of Strategic Services in describing Hitler’s psychological profile:[2]

His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.[3]

Wonder who fits the pyschological profile and is mastering(or has mastered) the art of the Big Lie (perfected by Nazi Germany during the war). Your guess is as good as mine.

He (guess who?) makes the Bush-Cheney tandem looks like patzers in comparison.

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Mata: If done via the private industry, they can do add on packages and perhaps offer travel packages that cover multiple states for those that have employment that keeps them on the move with travel.

Lots of ifs. if this if that. and btw “portability” has more to do with keeping your insurance if you leave a job, not cross state lines. We have seen how well the insurance companies have done. We are not talking about them adding any value… Right now health care insurance companies are total monopolies. If you decide to go to a doctor and you have no insurance, it costs a ton. More than what the insurance companies pay for the same services. That is not competition or fair. Insurance should cover costs incurred by the person covered, not create a system of unfair pricing… depending on if you self insure or now are forced to be insured. If it costs $100 bucks to fix a cut, it should be $100 bucks. Right now the insurance companies pay a fraction of the costs and the general public are forced into “insurance” because the companies are big monopolies buying services with other people’s money. That is why the whole system is corrupt, there is no competition. You speak of competing for insurance premiums, that misses the point. How about COMPETITION IN THE ACTUAL SERVICE BEING PERFORMED! I don’t have a dog in this hunt, but I don’t see either side really stepping up to the plate.

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Yes, Blast… that is exactly what I was addressing. Portability. But you still don’t get it. If the feds seize control for “universal” healthcare, they violate the 14th Amendment.

I agree that competition is the answer for lower prices…provided it is competition between private insurers and not a public option that overrules the states’ laws. The private insurers would therefore start with a basic state to state portable coverage, and individual state residents would then have to add riders to cover their state’s individual coverage mandates. i.e. I’m quite sure it’s illegal in California to have a visible pimple on your ass if you’re under 29. LOL Not really, but you get the drift.

For the feds to dictate the coverage infringes on states’ right. There is no way to be completely uniform from state to state without the states’ yielding their rights to health mandates.

If done via the private industry, they can do add on packages and perhaps offer travel packages that cover multiple states for those that have employment that keeps them on the move with travel. Voila… states’ rights intact, and nanny feds not dictating rules to the states. It will, however, still be more expensive to live in one state (ala MA, NY, NJ, etc) over others. So it will not cure that complaint. It may, however, lower a base coverage which may make the individual state riders more affordable.

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I have been hearing a chorus of conservatives saying that the FEDERAL government should regulate the insurance industry instead of the state… you know that whole argument “let people buy health care insurance across state lines” – yeah, another way for the federal government to circumvent the states control.

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