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	<title>Comments on: Obama Knew Iranians Lied About Nuclear Facility &amp; Still Wanted To Help Them</title>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Obama on Iran: Talks first, military last&#8221; and related posts &#171; Twitter</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Obama on Iran: Talks first, military last&#8221; and related posts &#171; Twitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Baltimore Reporter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the disclosure of Iran&#8217;s &#8220;secret&#8221; “semi-industrial enrichment fuel facility”, Curt linked to this sentence in the WaPo: President Barack Obama reiterated that Iran may have some right to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Behaving Like We Were Just Born Yesterday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Behaving Like We Were Just Born Yesterday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Old Trooper</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 03:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CONGRATULATIONS!
WELL DONE SOLDIER!

I retired at Ft Bragg and had the 18th ABN Corps Commander shaking my hand and my Daughters eyes on me and a firm reach around from her. Defense of America is not my business. Cattle ranching in Montana is.

Jana is a USAFA cadet, I run a cattle ranch and do not ever regret Your Service. Folks above my pay grade get Us in trouble. But folks like You kept America safe. Take some knowledge in that.
We gave our best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>CONGRATULATIONS!<br />
WELL DONE SOLDIER!</p>
<p>I retired at Ft Bragg and had the 18th ABN Corps Commander shaking my hand and my Daughters eyes on me and a firm reach around from her. Defense of America is not my business. Cattle ranching in Montana is.</p>
<p>Jana is a USAFA cadet, I run a cattle ranch and do not ever regret Your Service. Folks above my pay grade get Us in trouble. But folks like You kept America safe. Take some knowledge in that.<br />
We gave our best.</p>
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		<title>By: Toothfairy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toothfairy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 03:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tfhr:  I didn&#039;t know that &quot;they don&#039;t actually haul them down anymore&quot; because I haven&#039;t been near the flagpole at 5:00p.m.  But I was on the track timing my son&#039;s run recently when the call to the colors rang out.  I stopped what I was doing, and I stood at attention with my hand over my heart until the music ended.  Some of the people out there stared at me like I was performing some mystical rite.  They didn&#039;t have a clue.  A couple of young soldiers initially looked embarrassed, but then they followed my example.  It&#039;s sad that no one seems to be taught this tradition anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@tfhr:  I didn&#8217;t know that &#8220;they don&#8217;t actually haul them down anymore&#8221; because I haven&#8217;t been near the flagpole at 5:00p.m.  But I was on the track timing my son&#8217;s run recently when the call to the colors rang out.  I stopped what I was doing, and I stood at attention with my hand over my heart until the music ended.  Some of the people out there stared at me like I was performing some mystical rite.  They didn&#8217;t have a clue.  A couple of young soldiers initially looked embarrassed, but then they followed my example.  It&#8217;s sad that no one seems to be taught this tradition anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: tfhr</title>
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		<dc:creator>tfhr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 03:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-250077&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Old Trooper&lt;/a&gt;: 

Actually, I meant that I retire 72 hours from Monday - that&#039;s 73 total hours left on the active rolls.  You know I was going to wear my uniform for one last time to watch them bring the colors down at FT Belvoir on 30 September so I could render one last salute but they don&#039;t actually haul them down anymore.  They keep it lit.  I may run up to FT Myers to see if they still do it right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-250077" rel="nofollow">Old Trooper</a>: </p>
<p>Actually, I meant that I retire 72 hours from Monday &#8211; that&#8217;s 73 total hours left on the active rolls.  You know I was going to wear my uniform for one last time to watch them bring the colors down at FT Belvoir on 30 September so I could render one last salute but they don&#8217;t actually haul them down anymore.  They keep it lit.  I may run up to FT Myers to see if they still do it right.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Trooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Trooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 02:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tfhr, I have bet all of my chips in one hand in dangerous places and knew the odds and lived to tell the story in places Obama can&#039;t find on a map. No Media coverage just a mission.

Netanyahu put his chips out on the table for his Nation. Much like his brother did at Entebbe.
Israel has been at War since 1948. They have never lost one until lately when the UN got into it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Entebbe

72 hours only mean something for Operational Purposes. You understand that and the IDF knows that and their survival as a Nation depends on it as an Obama America that has a post 9.11.01 mentality that has been dumbed down and complacent and watches American Idol.

You are still on Active Duty and I am out to pasture retired but vigilant. Watch it from Your position and know that you are not alone in your concerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>tfhr, I have bet all of my chips in one hand in dangerous places and knew the odds and lived to tell the story in places Obama can&#8217;t find on a map. No Media coverage just a mission.</p>
<p>Netanyahu put his chips out on the table for his Nation. Much like his brother did at Entebbe.<br />
Israel has been at War since 1948. They have never lost one until lately when the UN got into it.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Entebbe" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Entebbe</a></p>
<p>72 hours only mean something for Operational Purposes. You understand that and the IDF knows that and their survival as a Nation depends on it as an Obama America that has a post 9.11.01 mentality that has been dumbed down and complacent and watches American Idol.</p>
<p>You are still on Active Duty and I am out to pasture retired but vigilant. Watch it from Your position and know that you are not alone in your concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: tfhr</title>
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		<dc:creator>tfhr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-250065&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Old Trooper&lt;/a&gt;: 


72 hours when Monday arrives.  We&#039;ll see what happens next.</description>
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<p>72 hours when Monday arrives.  We&#8217;ll see what happens next.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Trooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Trooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree here. Multiple threats out there and they are growing like weeds. Team Obama Diplomacy is a repeat of the Neville Chamberlain days. No scrap of paper or UN Resolution has any value other than something that Chavez, Kim Il Dong or Ahmadinejad will wipe their backsides on and laugh.

Obama does not have the perception or experience to know when to circle the wagons. Netanyahu issued a statement clearly and succinctly. Obama missed it. Sarkozy did not.
Gordon Brown did not. The World watched the UN General assembly farce and India and 
Pakistan saw a weakened America and they do have Nukes and delivery capability. Merkel made no statement but won an election but has EU commitments and NATO commitments.
Things are becoming complicated. 

I refused a promotion to O-7 and retired. Because No One Listened to an old &quot;boots on the ground&quot; but a War College educated guy that was an OCS Commissioned but not a Staffer guy. The West Pointers are Political. My class ring was not from that fine school on the Hudson but my campaign ribbons were stacked too high for them and pleasant conversation for them was not for me. I only drink and eat with folks I respect. I was a Soldier not a Politician. I cared more about substance and not talking points.

We see it alike. My Daughter is a USAFA Cadet. She does not want to fly Pelosisi&#039;s bus. She wants to fly the F-22 and remembers me arriving home from missions and gave every Trooper a hug at Pope AFB before kissing me and a new report card to trade me for a dinner a solution for an algebra or geometry problem that evaded her. 

Obama&#039;s Kids never had that passion or respect.

Take Care tfhr.  
Patriotism is not dead. Retire when you are ready. Others You trained will step up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Totally agree here. Multiple threats out there and they are growing like weeds. Team Obama Diplomacy is a repeat of the Neville Chamberlain days. No scrap of paper or UN Resolution has any value other than something that Chavez, Kim Il Dong or Ahmadinejad will wipe their backsides on and laugh.</p>
<p>Obama does not have the perception or experience to know when to circle the wagons. Netanyahu issued a statement clearly and succinctly. Obama missed it. Sarkozy did not.<br />
Gordon Brown did not. The World watched the UN General assembly farce and India and<br />
Pakistan saw a weakened America and they do have Nukes and delivery capability. Merkel made no statement but won an election but has EU commitments and NATO commitments.<br />
Things are becoming complicated. </p>
<p>I refused a promotion to O-7 and retired. Because No One Listened to an old &#8220;boots on the ground&#8221; but a War College educated guy that was an OCS Commissioned but not a Staffer guy. The West Pointers are Political. My class ring was not from that fine school on the Hudson but my campaign ribbons were stacked too high for them and pleasant conversation for them was not for me. I only drink and eat with folks I respect. I was a Soldier not a Politician. I cared more about substance and not talking points.</p>
<p>We see it alike. My Daughter is a USAFA Cadet. She does not want to fly Pelosisi&#8217;s bus. She wants to fly the F-22 and remembers me arriving home from missions and gave every Trooper a hug at Pope AFB before kissing me and a new report card to trade me for a dinner a solution for an algebra or geometry problem that evaded her. </p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s Kids never had that passion or respect.</p>
<p>Take Care tfhr.<br />
Patriotism is not dead. Retire when you are ready. Others You trained will step up.</p>
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		<title>By: tfhr</title>
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		<dc:creator>tfhr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-250054&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Old Trooper&lt;/a&gt;: 

Concur.

I&#039;ll also add onto this point:

&quot;The Saudis have no use for Iran and consider them to be a threat. That&#039;s my take on it. There is a time to talk and a time to act and the clock is ticking.&quot;

You are quite right.

Even if people in the United States and Europe want to play down the danger posed by a nuclear Iran, this threat is not going to be ignored in the Arab world.  If anyone thinks the Saudis won&#039;t pursue a nuclear capability in the face of a nuclear Iran, guess again.  Riyadh purchased a MRBM capability from the PRC years ago when Iran was busy trading ballistic missile shots with Iraq during the &quot;War of the Cities&quot; phase of their conflict.  Those CSS-2s have such a lame CEP that using them for anything but what they were designed for - lobbing nukes over 2500 kms - would be pointless.  In my mind&#039;s eye, when the Saudis bought those Chinese MRBMs they were sending a message to potential developers of NBC capabilities and delivery systems in the Gulf region and beyond, that the Kingdom of Saud would have it&#039;s own independent means to respond to future threats.  With their money, the Saudis can shop for the warheads of their choice and China, Pakistan, and others will line up to make the sale.  The Non-Proliferation Treaty is as useful as the number of toilet paper sized squares into which it can be cut.

The same mind set is alive and well much closer to home for us.  Brazil just announced that it will pursue nuclear technology now that Hugo Chavez has expressed his willingness to chase the nuclear genie with Russia&#039;s help.  

Now is not the time to encourage or ignore the pursuits of certified lunatics like the ones running North Korea, Iran, Syria, or Venezuela, because we unwisely think they&#039;re either too far away from us or their goals, at this particular moment in time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-250054" rel="nofollow">Old Trooper</a>: </p>
<p>Concur.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also add onto this point:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Saudis have no use for Iran and consider them to be a threat. That&#8217;s my take on it. There is a time to talk and a time to act and the clock is ticking.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are quite right.</p>
<p>Even if people in the United States and Europe want to play down the danger posed by a nuclear Iran, this threat is not going to be ignored in the Arab world.  If anyone thinks the Saudis won&#8217;t pursue a nuclear capability in the face of a nuclear Iran, guess again.  Riyadh purchased a MRBM capability from the PRC years ago when Iran was busy trading ballistic missile shots with Iraq during the &#8220;War of the Cities&#8221; phase of their conflict.  Those CSS-2s have such a lame CEP that using them for anything but what they were designed for &#8211; lobbing nukes over 2500 kms &#8211; would be pointless.  In my mind&#8217;s eye, when the Saudis bought those Chinese MRBMs they were sending a message to potential developers of NBC capabilities and delivery systems in the Gulf region and beyond, that the Kingdom of Saud would have it&#8217;s own independent means to respond to future threats.  With their money, the Saudis can shop for the warheads of their choice and China, Pakistan, and others will line up to make the sale.  The Non-Proliferation Treaty is as useful as the number of toilet paper sized squares into which it can be cut.</p>
<p>The same mind set is alive and well much closer to home for us.  Brazil just announced that it will pursue nuclear technology now that Hugo Chavez has expressed his willingness to chase the nuclear genie with Russia&#8217;s help.  </p>
<p>Now is not the time to encourage or ignore the pursuits of certified lunatics like the ones running North Korea, Iran, Syria, or Venezuela, because we unwisely think they&#8217;re either too far away from us or their goals, at this particular moment in time.</p>
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