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	<title>Comments on: Tummy Tax or Twinkie Tax?  The Irony of Socialized, Single-Payer Medicine</title>
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		<title>By: Ditto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ditto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thinking about this: As we know, some states block insurance companies from other states from selling plans to their state&#039;s citizens. While the misuses of the &quot;commerce clause powers&quot; are legend, it is actually valid to apply it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Thinking about this: As we know, some states block insurance companies from other states from selling plans to their state&#8217;s citizens. While the misuses of the &#8220;commerce clause powers&#8221; are legend, it is actually valid to apply it here.</p>
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		<title>By: BarbaraS</title>
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		<dc:creator>BarbaraS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole healthcare hooha is unconstitutional.  For years now congress and the president (even Bush i.e McCain-Feingold) has ignored the Constitution.  Charging the rich a higher percentage in taxes is unconsitutional.  The Constitution plainly says all men are created equal.  It says nowhere that the more successful have to carry the less successful.  Is anyone aware that the rich are not allowed the personal deduction that other citizens are granted because their income is too high?  So not only do they pay a higher percentage in taxes they pay more in taxes because of this loss.

It is unconstitutional for the government to tell any American what to eat or drink.  And to charge a tax for same is socialism.  We have brought all this upon ourselves by not protesting earlier all the bad laws congress has enacted.  Also not protesting the dumbing down of the schools and the liberal teachings in these schools.  We have laid back and let it happen.  Most of the laws congress has enacted are ridiculous and very intrusive.  I give you light bulbs as an example.  They mandate we use flourescent bulbs which are dangerous and must be disposed of separately and put a stop to any innovations (incandescents  that are longer lasting and more energy saving).  Government is more and more sticking their noses into our private lives. And with this healthcare they seek to control us completely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>This whole healthcare hooha is unconstitutional.  For years now congress and the president (even Bush i.e McCain-Feingold) has ignored the Constitution.  Charging the rich a higher percentage in taxes is unconsitutional.  The Constitution plainly says all men are created equal.  It says nowhere that the more successful have to carry the less successful.  Is anyone aware that the rich are not allowed the personal deduction that other citizens are granted because their income is too high?  So not only do they pay a higher percentage in taxes they pay more in taxes because of this loss.</p>
<p>It is unconstitutional for the government to tell any American what to eat or drink.  And to charge a tax for same is socialism.  We have brought all this upon ourselves by not protesting earlier all the bad laws congress has enacted.  Also not protesting the dumbing down of the schools and the liberal teachings in these schools.  We have laid back and let it happen.  Most of the laws congress has enacted are ridiculous and very intrusive.  I give you light bulbs as an example.  They mandate we use flourescent bulbs which are dangerous and must be disposed of separately and put a stop to any innovations (incandescents  that are longer lasting and more energy saving).  Government is more and more sticking their noses into our private lives. And with this healthcare they seek to control us completely.</p>
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		<title>By: AdrianS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AdrianS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 02:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catholic bishops question gov&#039;t health care

Bishop Walker Nickless of Sioux City, Iowa, warned that health care should not be subject to &quot;federal monopolization.&quot; He wrote &quot;... the proper role of government is to regulate the private sector in order to foster healthy competition and curtail abuses. Therefore any legislation that undermines the viability of the private sector is suspect.&quot; 

Bishop Thomas Doran of Rockford, Ill., wrote that health care should be thought of &quot;as more of a market than a system.&quot; He added: &quot;Our federal bureaucracy is a vast wasteland strewn with the carcasses of absurd federal programs which proved infinitely worse than the problems they were established to correct.&quot; 

Denver Archbishop Charles Chaput wrote that &quot;a proper government role in solving the health-care crisis does not necessarily demand a national public plan, run or supervised by government authorities. Real health-care reform need not automatically translate into federal programming.&quot; 

Bishop Samuel Aquila of Fargo, N.D., cited the danger of thinking &quot;the national government is the sole instrument of the common good.&quot; 

(Above quotes from article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/05/AR2009090502076_2.html?hpid=sec-religion

Note from AdrianS:

The term &quot;collective good&quot; is a term referenced by the communists.

The term &quot;for the benefit of the free citizens severally and uniquely&quot; is an American term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Catholic bishops question gov&#8217;t health care</p>
<p>Bishop Walker Nickless of Sioux City, Iowa, warned that health care should not be subject to &#8220;federal monopolization.&#8221; He wrote &#8220;&#8230; the proper role of government is to regulate the private sector in order to foster healthy competition and curtail abuses. Therefore any legislation that undermines the viability of the private sector is suspect.&#8221; </p>
<p>Bishop Thomas Doran of Rockford, Ill., wrote that health care should be thought of &#8220;as more of a market than a system.&#8221; He added: &#8220;Our federal bureaucracy is a vast wasteland strewn with the carcasses of absurd federal programs which proved infinitely worse than the problems they were established to correct.&#8221; </p>
<p>Denver Archbishop Charles Chaput wrote that &#8220;a proper government role in solving the health-care crisis does not necessarily demand a national public plan, run or supervised by government authorities. Real health-care reform need not automatically translate into federal programming.&#8221; </p>
<p>Bishop Samuel Aquila of Fargo, N.D., cited the danger of thinking &#8220;the national government is the sole instrument of the common good.&#8221; </p>
<p>(Above quotes from article: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/05/AR2009090502076_2.html?hpid=sec-religion" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/05/AR2009090502076_2.html?hpid=sec-religion</a></p>
<p>Note from AdrianS:</p>
<p>The term &#8220;collective good&#8221; is a term referenced by the communists.</p>
<p>The term &#8220;for the benefit of the free citizens severally and uniquely&#8221; is an American term.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Trooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Trooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 01:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Socialist Congress could tax every dollar at 80% they could not break even now.
They can&#039;t and won&#039;t. Obama and Congress will be in more crisis on Tuesday. Keep the heat on.
We deserve a Legitimate Government and very soon.</description>
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They can&#8217;t and won&#8217;t. Obama and Congress will be in more crisis on Tuesday. Keep the heat on.<br />
We deserve a Legitimate Government and very soon.</p>
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		<title>By: B. Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 19:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s too bad that even conservatives don&#039;t seem to understand the basic constitutional problem with federal healthcare.  More specifically, given the federal Constitution is silent about public healthcare, the 10th Amendment automatically reserves government power to regulate and lay taxes for healthcare to the states, not the Oval Office and Congress.

In fact, with 10th A. protected state sovereignty in mind, Chief Justice Marshall had established the following case precedent, now wrongly ignored, which appropriately limits the power of the feds to lay taxes.

&quot;Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.&quot; --Chief Justice Marshall, GIBBONS V. OGDEN (1824) http://supreme.justia.com/us/22/1/case.html

So not only is federal healthcare constitutionally unauthorized, but no tax dollars should be leaving any state in the name of healthcare.  More on this later.

So under the Constitution we could possibly be seeing up to 50 independent, state-run healthcare programs.  The beauty of having diverse healthcare systems run by the states is the following.  While some states are going to get a good reputation for knowing how to manage their healthcare programs very well, other states will be undoubtedly find healthcare a challenge.  But hopefully those states who do a good job with healthcare will be willing to give some tips about managing healthcare to those states who struggle with it.

Also, given several states with similar healthcare programs, hopefully corruption in one state&#039;s healthcare program will be easier to spot if the healthcare accounting for these states are compared.

Regarding the problem as to why state legislators and the federal senate are not doing their jobs to protect citizens from illegal federal taxes, taxes which are being used to pay for constitutionally unauthorized federal healthcare, please consider the link below.  The link should help people to understand how state sovereignty-ignorant voters have shot themselves in the foot with a big, corrupt federal government.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=199792</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>It&#8217;s too bad that even conservatives don&#8217;t seem to understand the basic constitutional problem with federal healthcare.  More specifically, given the federal Constitution is silent about public healthcare, the 10th Amendment automatically reserves government power to regulate and lay taxes for healthcare to the states, not the Oval Office and Congress.</p>
<p>In fact, with 10th A. protected state sovereignty in mind, Chief Justice Marshall had established the following case precedent, now wrongly ignored, which appropriately limits the power of the feds to lay taxes.</p>
<p>&#8220;Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.&#8221; &#8211;Chief Justice Marshall, GIBBONS V. OGDEN (1824) <a href="http://supreme.justia.com/us/22/1/case.html" rel="nofollow">http://supreme.justia.com/us/22/1/case.html</a></p>
<p>So not only is federal healthcare constitutionally unauthorized, but no tax dollars should be leaving any state in the name of healthcare.  More on this later.</p>
<p>So under the Constitution we could possibly be seeing up to 50 independent, state-run healthcare programs.  The beauty of having diverse healthcare systems run by the states is the following.  While some states are going to get a good reputation for knowing how to manage their healthcare programs very well, other states will be undoubtedly find healthcare a challenge.  But hopefully those states who do a good job with healthcare will be willing to give some tips about managing healthcare to those states who struggle with it.</p>
<p>Also, given several states with similar healthcare programs, hopefully corruption in one state&#8217;s healthcare program will be easier to spot if the healthcare accounting for these states are compared.</p>
<p>Regarding the problem as to why state legislators and the federal senate are not doing their jobs to protect citizens from illegal federal taxes, taxes which are being used to pay for constitutionally unauthorized federal healthcare, please consider the link below.  The link should help people to understand how state sovereignty-ignorant voters have shot themselves in the foot with a big, corrupt federal government.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=199792" rel="nofollow">http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=199792</a></p>
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