EOAN: A sincere thanks all you baby boomers for the mess you left us, we do so enjoy a good challenge.

As a “baby boomer”, I’ll say that yup… I definitely must apologize for my “love the one you’re with/why don’t we do it in the road” generation. We were definitely stellar at music, and really suck at governing.

But then, when you never let go of a utopian dream that can only exist without the present of mankind and all their flaws, you end up with a nanny government, trying to mandate mankind being “utopian”. Must be too many drugs….

On the other hand, when I see some of the snippy, “me generation” brats coming up… maybe I shouldn’t feel so bad. Afterall, the damage done couldn’t happen without their selfish attitudes and help in electing the guy who’s going to be tipping the balance to American bankruptcy because they want everything for free.

So enjoy your golden years… when they come. They will likely be no better than mine. And I assure you, this was not of my choosing.

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@MataHarley:

In addition to EAON’s remedial studies regarding our form of government, a refresher course on the first amendment would also be helpful.

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Thanks for the good conversation, laughs, and thought provocation. I probably have Hard Right throwing his chair at the computer screen right now but it’s all good. In all honesty, this is going to be interesting to see where it all goes. Let’s hope everything works out for the best because it obvious that no one really knows what is really best for this country right now. It seems we are just taking shots in the dark (playing armchair quarterbacks for some) and hoping to hit a “Hail Mary” to pull ourselves out of a very big rut. Unfortunately it’s my generation that will have to suffer the consequences and work to fix it. A sincere thanks all you baby boomers for the mess you left us, we do so enjoy a good challenge.

cheers!

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EOAN, can you possibly be this under-educated to our country and it’s history?

A few notes for you:

The pledge of allegiance *is* to the country as a “republic” because we *are* a “republic” and not a democracy. Go back to your American History classes, please.

“Organized religion” is a parental choice… not a political choice or voting issue. Butt out of families’ personal lives. And while I’m not particularly religious (that is a very personal issue, after all) when it comes to “organized” religion, I’ll fight you to the death on any family’s ability to raise their children as they… not *you* or the “government”… see fit. And that, also, is *very* American.

Lastly… INRE your comment: ” … I’d rather have these children become indoctrinated to serve their country (or “Republic”) rather than become gang bangers and criminals!

A one time video from the Big Zero… aka “the won”… is not likely a lasting influence beyond a few hours. These children will become “indoctrinated” to something other than gang bangers and criminals by local influences and daily occurrences. Obama is irrelevant in every day lives.

He, however, will be *very* relevant as soon as these non-indoctrinated children grow up and find that the only thing that *does* pay is crime…. thanks to anti-achievement/capitalist legislation, salary controls, and punishment of excellence by this man (and his Congressional cronies) who only appreciates the excellence of himself, and not others.

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Well, lets be a bit more blunt… or “Hard Rightish” if you will *winks* now that I’ve visited the Great OZ.

Censorship is not American, nor is it legal. If parents do not wish to have their kid watch then they should just send a note… much like the sex ed class! lol.. Too funny, I don’t want to have my kids miss out on seeing it because a minority group is trying to push their view onto others and stop everyone from seeing it. Get the point?

If we look to a more realistic side in reference to which Obama would most likely affect within this young child demography in his requesting children to help the president it would be young black children without male role models (sounds racist but if we look at statistics it is this group getting incarcerated more than any other). To be rather blunt I’d rather have these children become indoctrinated to serve their country (or “Republic”) rather than become gang bangers and criminals!

I have more objectives for the group.

A) Lets rally to keep children out of organized religious group until they are 18 to keep them from becoming indoctrinated because they’re too young to decide what the right religion for them is or if they even want to be religious!!

B) Let’s lobby to change the Pledge of Allegiance because it uses a reference to the “Republic” and not the country!

• I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the “Republic” for which it stands.

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Just a couple of recent links about using children – basically as informants and/or political operatives.

Doctors cross examining children on the drug or alcohol habits of their parents.

Science Daily article about power of children in influence at point of purchase moments.

Then you might consider that the AGW crowd and their ability to revise public curriculum is designed to get children to influence their parents on the issue of global warming. Do the children go home and chastise their parents for not recycling? For buying incandescent lightbulbs?

Perfect example of how children are being used to affect parental behavior and opinions is this marketing by Ford Escape…. a young girl too “embarrassed” to have her dad drop her off close to school in an SUV.

Fact is, EOAN, using children is a favorite trick of many a political agenda. To have a sitting POTUS promote his position in office, and thereby himself, over supporting the concept of free thinking (to agree with him or not), freedom and choice in this nation, is nothing short of appalling and despicable.

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Wow. Yet another straw man/exaggeration of my position.
Newsflash, some “Americans” are not worthy of trust.
Trust is generated by actions, not words. Obama’s problems and that of the dems are an example of this. They do NOT have our interests at heart and have proven this repeatedly.
We are also seeing too many Reps showing they are too much of the “beltway” and disconnected from the average person. The result is that they represent the “ruling class” culture they inhabit and not those who elected them.

You want to believe people are inherently good. I have learned the hard way some are, but it’s the ones who are not you must watch for.
Little FYI about my youth. I associated with people as they gradually became gang members, drug dealers, robbers, drug users, and in a couple cases…corpses. I have been around people who got off on terrorizing others, who enjoyed inflicting pain and suffering on the innocent. You know what? They are only half as scary as those like Van Jones, Ayers, Rahm, and obama, etc. Why? Because they (the scum) were up front about who they were and even they knew what they were doing was wrong.
Obama and his cronies have no such insight or understanding. They feel it is their right to force their utopian views onto the rest of us for our own good and have no qualms about using the hammer of government to do so. In too many cases, the term sociopath seems to define them all too well.

Our founding fathers knew of such men and how they thought and acted. They understood that they would seek and use ultimate power in order to carry out their plans and tried to limit their ability to do so. Sadly, an almost bovine segment of the populace has allowed them to do that which they tried to prevent. We are dealing with those consequences today.
Questioning authority is hardly bad provided it’s out of genuine concern and not political gain or power.

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Eoan: I’m having trouble finding where it asks the youth to pledge their support to “Obama”. Can you help me with this? I can only see where it asks to support the president.

Ask not what your courtry can do for you, but what you can do for your country… *not* your President. “I can only see where it asks to support the president” And the name of that President is??

You do not appeal to children to support a person… a politician. You appeal to them to support an ideal, the founding concept of our country. Get the difference?

Again, if you drag this action out over time, it will not benefit him in the slightest.

Indoctrination begins young, and is inbred into a child. There is a difference between a politician attempting to elevate himself to a loftier stature, and a parent teaching their own children their beliefs. Your attempt at an analogy using religion is not only absurd, but extremely offensive to assume a politician can or should have the same influence in a child’s life as the parents.

However the “benefit” is not only indoctrination, or a future voter. Figured out how toys advertising works yet? Happy Meals for MickeyD’s? You drive it into the kids, who then nag the parents insistently… begging for the toy. How about the recent incidents where schools have wanted the kids to inform on their parents? That’s part of the Alinsky/social justice curriculum which has been entwining itself in our public schools since the late 60s. And the heart of Obama’s “community organizing”.

We have nurtured several generations of “me”… what can the government do for *me*. We’ve raised generations of youth who find it more convenient to blame others for their actions… never responsible for their own mistakes. They were abused as a child, held back by society. We are becoming a nation of victims, believing they are endowed with entitlements.

So you are right about one thing on this nation’s culture. it does need changing… or perhaps reverting. Citizens being torn apart by their sense of entitlement and politicians, feeding the frenzy… turning American against American for their political advantage.

For you to say to us that we need to change our culture indicates we both agree. However I’m doubtful that the “change” you and I deem necessary bear any semblence.

My point (high level of course) is that by saying you do not trust the “government” that means that you do not trust your fellow Americans.

No Eoan… not at all. But congratulations on making my above point about how a politician and party have made you turn on fellow Americans, and how indoctrination has worked it’s magic on your mindset. You explain away corruption of those in power by blaming a nation of citizens. Most especially those who disagree with you.

What this distrust of government really means is that we do not trust the corrupt officials holding office. My neighbors, family and friends (comprised of all political stripes) are not part of that corruption and power. Would be hard to hold them responsible for a power hungry, big spending Congress, and White House occupants bent on destroying all the founding fathers wrought.

But I will personally add that I do not trust my fellow Amercians to get off their duffs, educate themselves enough to make a wise decision before pulling a ballot lever. With voting comes responsibility… a responsibility that apparently all too many Americans consider irrelevant and unimportant.

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Hard Right,

Thank you for stating the root cause of your resistance. You do not “trust” the “government”. Does this mean anyone who takes a government job, a neighbor, friend, family member, even our Soldiers? I’m being sarcastic of course, a little humor (prior service myself).

My point (high level of course) is that by saying you do not trust the “government” that means that you do not trust your fellow Americans. Where has all the morality gone and what is wrong with today’s American culture where we can no longer trust a fellow countryman. Hell, people seldom stop to help someone stranded on the side of the road now days.

How do you or better yet “we” fix that problem? If Hard Right was President would we be treating him the same way? How and when will we as a nation come to trust individuals holding political offices?

My worry is at that our American culture will continue to deteriorate and we “our nation” will spend our time squabbling amongst each other like a bunch of pessimists while our nation crumbles around us.

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EOAN – You didn’t see where the kids were supposed to pledge to “him”? You should have been paying more attention. Because of the outrage, it was changed. Keep on chugging.
My opinion
Madalyn

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