Musta missed that “gossip” columnist bit from JGabriel.

JG, he’s the former editor of Newsweek, former New York Times Magazine editor, and a contributor to Vanity Fair. While I’d like to consider these “gossip” rags in some form, I’d have to place them several cuts above his weekly money making column in Parade…. LOL

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Oh and BTW, regardless of who made what jokes the fact is kennedy murdered a young woman and later made jokes about it. Stop trying to take focus off that fact.
Ed Klein a gossip columnist? Ha. No credibility? Yeah, I’m sure he got that out of thin air. Keep spinning lefty.

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I would say Bush was being his usual polite self in saying he merely made a mistake, although mischaracterized could be considered bad faith.

So let me get this straight, it’s wrong for Conservatives to make jokes about MJK, but it’s ok for kennedy? You are giving him a pass. Or are you still trying to say he never made such jokes? Which partisan claim are you pushing?

Lastly, what jokes are Conservatives alleged to have made?

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Aye Chihuahua:

You’re quoting something sans links expecting us to believe that your claim has any sort of credibility whatsoever?

As you were able to find stories confirming the quote, you know that it exists. Furthermore, I provided the original source for the quote, Talk Magazine, September 1999. It would be impossible to provide a link to the original source since Talk ceased publication in 2001 and no longer has any Internet presence that I know of.

Aye, quoting “Bush Meets Rush”, AP, 1999:

… Bush told the AP. “It was a serious, somber time. Mr. Carlson misread, mischaracterized me. He’s a good reporter, he just misunderstood about how serious that was.”

“Patently false” seems to be rather strong condemnation for such an equivocal defense, Aye. Bush doesn’t say he was misquoted, merely “misread” and “mischaracterized”. It’s hard to see how one puts a nice spin on the quote, “Please, don’t kill me.”

That said, it is a defense, albeit a weak one, and I shouldn’t have used the word “certainly” and I should have said “never contested the quote” rather than “never contested it“.

My apologies for the error on the first part and the ambiguity in the second part

In any event, it was meant to disprove your statement that “Bush never once joked about someone’s death. Other than yourself, no one is making that claim.”

Clearly, Tucker Carlson made that claim. And not even Bush accused him of bad faith; note the second half of Bush’s defense “[Carlson's] a good reporter…”

Finally, it seems like obvious projection for conservatives and Republicans to accuse Kennedy of enjoying ugly jokes about Kopechne, jokes that conservatives and Republicans have been making for four decades. I’m not sure why the right would even harp on this – at best, or worst, you’re accusing Kennedy of repeating your own jokes.

One would think it unlikely that Kennedy, as a liberal, would share a conservative’s sense of humor, especially regarding such a personal tragedy. A tragedy that Kennedy has expressed responsibility, regret, and sorrow for, repeatedly and publicly, over the years. And as a repetition of hearsay from a gossip columnist, the accusation continues to lack credibility.

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@Some Old Guy:
@JGabriel:

Once we’ve laid to rest the idea of moral equivalence on this thread, perhaps the two of you would like to discuss how Crazy Uncle Teddy attempted to engage in treasonous activities with the Russians in an effort to help the Dims win the 1984 presidential election.

I will be posting on that topic tomorrow. I look forward to your commentary, and your thoughts, on that thread.

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You’re welcome, JGabriel. We’d all like to believe that our news types actually put their nose down the the grindstone in research. But we’ve all been fooled too many times… all of us on both sides of the aisle. And in these times, we should all take comfort in what commonality we do share. Certainly the pols and media are working overtime to rile up pure hate between Americans. And this is a trend that bothers me tremendously. I think it’s safe to say that all of us here on this blog have friends that have different political beliefs in our daily lives.

As I said, this is an “unverified” story to me, and I see that Curt has also put his caveats in as well. So I believe your comment should also automatically be extended to Curt as well. As far as what Klein is saying – he *is* making the talk show rounds for his book, making quite a few comments and (his) clarifications of Kennedy. Eventually someone might start questioning his source information.

But one must also accept Klein is an admirer of Kennedy, and seemed to be making the point about the Kopechne jokes as an endearing trait. If [what Klein says] true, I can’t say that I agree. My guess is that you probably wouldn’t either.

“Some Old Guy”. There is no relation whatsoever to a self-deprecating joke video for the press club dinner about caches of WMD that have not been found, and “making fun of killing people”. While I thought that was a poor choice for his speech writers as a joke, it doesn’t compare to Kennedy’s abandonment of a young woman, drowning in a car while he worked things out with his political handlers for 10 hours.

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A leftwing partisan quoted an story that has been shown to false in an attempt at moral equivalency? I’m….not shocked.
Don’t be surprised if he accuses us of doing the same thing with the Ed Klein claim.

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@JGabriel:

Now, that’s funny.

You’re quoting something sans links expecting us to believe that your claim has any sort of credibility whatsoever? Sorry, that doesn’t work here.

I did, however, do your homework for you and found that your claim that the story was never refuted is patently false.

“That as a very difficult moment for me and anybody who covered me during that period knows how tough that was,” Bush told the AP. “It was a serious, somber time. Mr. Carlson misread, mischaracterized me. He’s a good reporter, he just misunderstood about how serious that was.”

If it was as you claim it was, then why would Carlson not address it, and finally set the record straight in his memoir Politicians, Partisans, and Parasites?

On the contrary, Carlson expresses bafflement and surprise that the Talk piece stirred any controversy at all. Furthermore, Carlson relates his own fury when Bush’s spokeswoman, Karen Hughes, spread the word that Carlson had invented the quotes in the Talk piece.

By my count, that’s two refutations, including one from Bush himself. The failure of Carlson to stand his ground mounts heaps of doubt on his claim.

Nice try.

Too bad it didn’t work for you.

Care to try again?

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Well Aye, no surprise considering he posted a link to a mentally ill, hate filled leftist propaganda video. Betting SOG isn’t old at all. Wonder if that English twit on the link is him?

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Apologies for the typo in the above post. Obviously it should be “George Bush”, not “Geroge”.

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