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		<title>By: What are the pros and cons to a universal health care plan? &#124; Health Care</title>
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		<dc:creator>What are the pros and cons to a universal health care plan? &#124; Health Care</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Who do you think is controlling the debate over health care? &#124; Health Care</title>
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		<dc:creator>Who do you think is controlling the debate over health care? &#124; Health Care</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: How come so many Americans are opposed to a new Health Care Plan? &#124; Health Care</title>
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		<dc:creator>How come so many Americans are opposed to a new Health Care Plan? &#124; Health Care</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: What health insurance plans cover the most patients in Indiana? &#124; Health Care</title>
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		<dc:creator>What health insurance plans cover the most patients in Indiana? &#124; Health Care</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 05:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Old Trooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Trooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hospital Worker?
Administrator?
Doctor?
Nurse?
Orderly?
Candy Striper?

Most likely a Troll. I reckon I guessed it right and an SEIU Member as well.

*TRICARE for Life for me.
*Social Security? I view my SS contributions the same as ENRON Stock Shares.
*Medicare. Hmm. I paid into it but view it the same as SS but can&#039;t write it off as charity.
*Public Option? Unfunded? I pay enough taxes now. No Thanks!
*Honesty and transparency on Obama Care? Nope. Not so thinly veiled Socialism at work.

Well FA Folks, the Parliament of Whores are catching hell on recess. Max Baucus will not be trout fishing on my property here and he knows why. He will not be quail hunting here either. He knows why. Unless he brings Rahm Emanuel, Ted Kennedy, Pelosi, Boxer, Barney Frank, Schumer and Arlen Specter. I will call Dick Cheyney because he has hunted here and By God the hunt is on!

I am not joking. I have quail, grouse and Canada Geese overfly the property here.
Hospital worker?  

Stop pulling my leg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Hospital Worker?<br />
Administrator?<br />
Doctor?<br />
Nurse?<br />
Orderly?<br />
Candy Striper?</p>
<p>Most likely a Troll. I reckon I guessed it right and an SEIU Member as well.</p>
<p>*TRICARE for Life for me.<br />
*Social Security? I view my SS contributions the same as ENRON Stock Shares.<br />
*Medicare. Hmm. I paid into it but view it the same as SS but can&#8217;t write it off as charity.<br />
*Public Option? Unfunded? I pay enough taxes now. No Thanks!<br />
*Honesty and transparency on Obama Care? Nope. Not so thinly veiled Socialism at work.</p>
<p>Well FA Folks, the Parliament of Whores are catching hell on recess. Max Baucus will not be trout fishing on my property here and he knows why. He will not be quail hunting here either. He knows why. Unless he brings Rahm Emanuel, Ted Kennedy, Pelosi, Boxer, Barney Frank, Schumer and Arlen Specter. I will call Dick Cheyney because he has hunted here and By God the hunt is on!</p>
<p>I am not joking. I have quail, grouse and Canada Geese overfly the property here.<br />
Hospital worker?  </p>
<p>Stop pulling my leg.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mmmm... suspect &quot;hospital worker&quot; is really an aide, and has emptied one too many bedpans.

Let&#039;s see if we can go slow for her/him.  Look at your every paycheck.  FICA taxes?  Know what they are all about?  That&#039;s SS and Medicare tax collections.  Let me translate.... if you started working from 1965 and on, you have had 1.45% (as of today&#039;s withholding rate) held back from you for Medicare tax contribution alone.  Under 65?  Well, you&#039;ve been paying into Medicare to the tune of 1.45% of your gross pay since you&#039;ve been working... yet you are paying for insurance you cannot obtain unless you are old enough, or disabled.  Do you think your contribution is sitting in a lock box somewhere with your name on it, waiting for you?  Of course not.  In fact, even sucking money out of you today, and everyone else, they still can&#039;t support the Medicare enrollees.  What does that tell you of govt money management?

I&#039;ve been working since it&#039;s inception.  The government has been taking cash out of me for this retirement insurance since day one.  Free?  Nope... I&#039;ve already paid for it, and will continue to pay if I want Parts B and D.  Or I can opt for Part C (Medicare Advantage).  But despite the fact I&#039;ve been paying all my working life, I will still continue to pay after retirement for anything but the basics.

And speaking of the basics on Medicare A, there is still a deductible (at this time  $1096) for the covered period.  It doesn&#039;t cover everything, which is why there are Parts B, C and D.  

Aye, on the estate recovery, I believe that is confined to Medicaid and not Medicare.  Which seems oxymoronic itself as those who qualify for Medicaid have very little &quot;estate&quot; from which to recover costs.  However, I would like to see anything that says it&#039;s also applied to Medicare.  I could be wrong on this.

I will say that if you opt out of Medicare at age 65, and therefore have to forfeit your SS, any retirement SS funds you received for prior periods MUST be paid back.  The gov&#039;t taketh away, doles back out in pittance, then taketh away again.  There is no public option that is acceptable.  The only reason I&#039;d go into Medicare is because I&#039;ve already paid for it all my life, and they won&#039;t give me my money back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>mmmm&#8230; suspect &#8220;hospital worker&#8221; is really an aide, and has emptied one too many bedpans.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see if we can go slow for her/him.  Look at your every paycheck.  FICA taxes?  Know what they are all about?  That&#8217;s SS and Medicare tax collections.  Let me translate&#8230;. if you started working from 1965 and on, you have had 1.45% (as of today&#8217;s withholding rate) held back from you for Medicare tax contribution alone.  Under 65?  Well, you&#8217;ve been paying into Medicare to the tune of 1.45% of your gross pay since you&#8217;ve been working&#8230; yet you are paying for insurance you cannot obtain unless you are old enough, or disabled.  Do you think your contribution is sitting in a lock box somewhere with your name on it, waiting for you?  Of course not.  In fact, even sucking money out of you today, and everyone else, they still can&#8217;t support the Medicare enrollees.  What does that tell you of govt money management?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been working since it&#8217;s inception.  The government has been taking cash out of me for this retirement insurance since day one.  Free?  Nope&#8230; I&#8217;ve already paid for it, and will continue to pay if I want Parts B and D.  Or I can opt for Part C (Medicare Advantage).  But despite the fact I&#8217;ve been paying all my working life, I will still continue to pay after retirement for anything but the basics.</p>
<p>And speaking of the basics on Medicare A, there is still a deductible (at this time  $1096) for the covered period.  It doesn&#8217;t cover everything, which is why there are Parts B, C and D.  </p>
<p>Aye, on the estate recovery, I believe that is confined to Medicaid and not Medicare.  Which seems oxymoronic itself as those who qualify for Medicaid have very little &#8220;estate&#8221; from which to recover costs.  However, I would like to see anything that says it&#8217;s also applied to Medicare.  I could be wrong on this.</p>
<p>I will say that if you opt out of Medicare at age 65, and therefore have to forfeit your SS, any retirement SS funds you received for prior periods MUST be paid back.  The gov&#8217;t taketh away, doles back out in pittance, then taketh away again.  There is no public option that is acceptable.  The only reason I&#8217;d go into Medicare is because I&#8217;ve already paid for it all my life, and they won&#8217;t give me my money back.</p>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-240661&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hospital worker&lt;/a&gt;: 

I was really hoping that you would stop back by to drop some more of your spatter on the floor.

Thank you for not disappointing me.

Now, let&#039;s move on to your latest bescumberance:

&lt;blockquote&gt;aye you really are a fu king idiot&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, no, that would be you.  You continue to insist on arguing from a position of ignorance and you are making a complete and utter fool of yourself in the process.

&lt;blockquote&gt;medicare a is free&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s priceless.  Another &lt;em&gt;Stunning Example of Concentrated Stupid&lt;/em&gt; from the hospital paper pusher.  You&#039;ve had several people tell you that you&#039;re wrong, yet you persist.

If Medicare A is &quot;Free&quot; as you contend then where do the deductions from our paychecks go?  Plus, there&#039;s this little tidbit.  If you don&#039;t pay in enough over the course of the time you are working, you have to pay in monthly once you are on Medicare so obviously, it&#039;s not FREE.  

It&#039;s just a matter of when you pay for it:
&lt;strong&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://questions.medicare.gov/cgi-bin/medicare.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2100&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Part A: (Hospital Insurance) Premium&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

Damn!  A quick Google and two clicks later everyone can see that you&#039;re an idiot.  Again.

As I said to you earlier, nothing is FREE.

&lt;blockquote&gt;what plant are you from that if medicare pays and you die, they take it back from your estate
i think your confused with medicaid, or public aid, which you must be&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nope, not confused here.  It&#039;s called estate recovery.  Again, go look it up.  Yes, Medicaid does the same, but even more aggressively.

Lack of knowledge on your part does not constitute a need for research on my part.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Go talk to GW Bush, maybe he will give you some insurance when your old
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, I don&#039;t need GW Bush, any other politician, or anyone else to give me insurance.  That is my own responsibility.  

Other than get out of my way, I don&#039;t need the gov&#039;t to do anything at all for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-240661" rel="nofollow">hospital worker</a>: </p>
<p>I was really hoping that you would stop back by to drop some more of your spatter on the floor.</p>
<p>Thank you for not disappointing me.</p>
<p>Now, let&#8217;s move on to your latest bescumberance:</p>
<blockquote><p>aye you really are a fu king idiot</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, no, that would be you.  You continue to insist on arguing from a position of ignorance and you are making a complete and utter fool of yourself in the process.</p>
<blockquote><p>medicare a is free</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s priceless.  Another <em>Stunning Example of Concentrated Stupid</em> from the hospital paper pusher.  You&#8217;ve had several people tell you that you&#8217;re wrong, yet you persist.</p>
<p>If Medicare A is &#8220;Free&#8221; as you contend then where do the deductions from our paychecks go?  Plus, there&#8217;s this little tidbit.  If you don&#8217;t pay in enough over the course of the time you are working, you have to pay in monthly once you are on Medicare so obviously, it&#8217;s not FREE.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a matter of when you pay for it:<br />
<strong><br />
<a href="http://questions.medicare.gov/cgi-bin/medicare.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2100" rel="nofollow">Part A: (Hospital Insurance) Premium</a></strong></p>
<p>Damn!  A quick Google and two clicks later everyone can see that you&#8217;re an idiot.  Again.</p>
<p>As I said to you earlier, nothing is FREE.</p>
<blockquote><p>what plant are you from that if medicare pays and you die, they take it back from your estate<br />
i think your confused with medicaid, or public aid, which you must be</p></blockquote>
<p>Nope, not confused here.  It&#8217;s called estate recovery.  Again, go look it up.  Yes, Medicaid does the same, but even more aggressively.</p>
<p>Lack of knowledge on your part does not constitute a need for research on my part.</p>
<blockquote><p>Go talk to GW Bush, maybe he will give you some insurance when your old
</p></blockquote>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t need GW Bush, any other politician, or anyone else to give me insurance.  That is my own responsibility.  </p>
<p>Other than get out of my way, I don&#8217;t need the gov&#8217;t to do anything at all for me.</p>
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		<title>By: hospital worker</title>
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		<dc:creator>hospital worker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aye you really are a fu  king idiot, medicare a is free, and what plant are you from that if medicare pays and you die, they  take it back from your estate, i think  your confused with medicaid, or public aid, which you must be. Go talk to GW Bush, maybe he will give you some insurance when your old</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>aye you really are a fu  king idiot, medicare a is free, and what plant are you from that if medicare pays and you die, they  take it back from your estate, i think  your confused with medicaid, or public aid, which you must be. Go talk to GW Bush, maybe he will give you some insurance when your old</p>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/08/16/obama-may-drop-public-option-from-his-health-care-plans/#comment-240230</link>
		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-240226&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hospital worker&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;aye maybe you should read up, medicare part a is free to all seniors, which takes all hospitals stays, part b is for outpatient and drs. why are you making up such bs.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;re continuing to prove yourself to be a complete dumb ass.

The sad part is, you aren&#039;t even smart enough to realize it, even when it is pointed out to you.

&quot;Medicare is free&quot; hospital worker says....without going on to address the premiums charged to seniors for the coverage as noted by Granny.  

Nor does hospital worker note that every dollar paid out by Medicare is then collected from the estate of the patient once deceased.  

Nothing is FREE.

It&#039;s called delayed reimbursement via estate recovery.  

Look it up.

You still haven&#039;t addressed the fact that seniors are REQUIRED by law to sign up for Medicare in order to collect their Social Security benefits.

They don&#039;t have the option of opting out unless they give up the Social Security that they have been required to pay into.

As I said earlier, you are debating from a position of ignorance and doing a very poor job of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-240226" rel="nofollow">hospital worker</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>aye maybe you should read up, medicare part a is free to all seniors, which takes all hospitals stays, part b is for outpatient and drs. why are you making up such bs.
</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re continuing to prove yourself to be a complete dumb ass.</p>
<p>The sad part is, you aren&#8217;t even smart enough to realize it, even when it is pointed out to you.</p>
<p>&#8220;Medicare is free&#8221; hospital worker says&#8230;.without going on to address the premiums charged to seniors for the coverage as noted by Granny.  </p>
<p>Nor does hospital worker note that every dollar paid out by Medicare is then collected from the estate of the patient once deceased.  </p>
<p>Nothing is FREE.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s called delayed reimbursement via estate recovery.  </p>
<p>Look it up.</p>
<p>You still haven&#8217;t addressed the fact that seniors are REQUIRED by law to sign up for Medicare in order to collect their Social Security benefits.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t have the option of opting out unless they give up the Social Security that they have been required to pay into.</p>
<p>As I said earlier, you are debating from a position of ignorance and doing a very poor job of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Granny</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/08/16/obama-may-drop-public-option-from-his-health-care-plans/#comment-240229</link>
		<dc:creator>Granny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;hospital worker
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aye maybe you should read up, medicare part a is free to all seniors, which takes all hospitals stays, part b is for outpatient and drs. why are you making up such bs.&lt;/i&gt;

Hospital Worker,  Medicare is absolutely NOT free to any senior at all.  They pay a base amount per month, &lt;b&gt;taken out of their social security checks&lt;/b&gt;, for Part A (which covers only hospital admissions and has an $800 out of pocket deductible) and then further amounts (some of which can vary) for the other  Medicare B, D, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p><i>hospital worker<br />
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<p>aye maybe you should read up, medicare part a is free to all seniors, which takes all hospitals stays, part b is for outpatient and drs. why are you making up such bs.</i></p>
<p>Hospital Worker,  Medicare is absolutely NOT free to any senior at all.  They pay a base amount per month, <b>taken out of their social security checks</b>, for Part A (which covers only hospital admissions and has an $800 out of pocket deductible) and then further amounts (some of which can vary) for the other  Medicare B, D, etc.</p>
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