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		<title>By: Obama’s Kubuki Theater…Er, Town Hall Meeting &#124; Gadget Look</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama’s Kubuki Theater…Er, Town Hall Meeting &#124; Gadget Look</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Julia’s mother was an early Obama supporter in Massachusetts during the presidential election, so she had previously met First Lady Michelle Obama, the Obama daughters Sasha and MalRead more at http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/08/12/obamas-kubuki-theater-er-town-hall-meeting/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/08/12/obamas-kubuki-theater-er-town-hall-meeting/#comment-238736</link>
		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not that the lamestream media is &quot;The Democrat Propaganda Ministry&quot; it is the &lt;i&gt;Establishment Propaganda Ministry. The same kind of manipulations went on with Bush the Lesser in orofice. The thousands who turned out to oppose the aggressive war on Iraq were airbrushed and selectively filmed to create the illusion that there were fewer than the number actually present at the protests. As well there was little coverage of the police abuses in &quot;crowd control&quot; such as spraying pepper spray in the face of a father and his baby here locally where I live, Portland, Oregon, etc., ....

People need to get beyond the curtain and notice that the two halves of the one party talk a different game but govern the same.

In selling Obamacare®, just as in &lt;i&gt;selling&lt;/i&gt; the Iraq War, the same types of manipulations are in use. Selective coverage, and omission of key data. Just as the media could never get to saying that Bush lied, they provide the same sort of coverage for the Obamessiah. The same sorts of camera angles are used, framing his head in a glow to create the subconscious association with a halo etc., ... The media manipulation is not in favor of either party - it is in the interests of the small group of psychotic Plutocrats/Kleptocrats who are looting the country via the so-called bail out which &lt;i&gt;has been supported on both sides of the aisle&lt;/i&gt;. Notice the manipulation with the Hegelian Dialectic - the Demoncrats propose a ghastly controlling Hellthcare Plan while the RepubliCONS propose Obamacare® lite - &lt;i&gt;while rarely, if ever, questioning whether this should be a legitimate constitutional activity by the Feral Government.

It is not just that they are, both sides, lying but that the real issues are never addressed. Milton Friedman, in &quot;Free To Choose&quot; analyzed the high cost of Hellthcare correctly over twenty years ago. The problem is Government Intervention and Price Supports via supporting one group, the AMA, over others. In no other field than medicine are the standards for schools controlled by the group regulated other than in health care.

Healthcare is not an overnight problem, but is one that has been &lt;i&gt;created&lt;/i&gt; over the last 40 years (actually longer if you go back to the 30&#039;s and the enshrinement of the AMA as the controlling body). 

&lt;i&gt;A dog has four legs. Suppose you call his tail a leg? How many legs does he have.
Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn&#039;t make it a leg.&lt;/i&gt; ~ Abraham Lincoln</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>It is not that the lamestream media is &#8220;The Democrat Propaganda Ministry&#8221; it is the <i>Establishment Propaganda Ministry. The same kind of manipulations went on with Bush the Lesser in orofice. The thousands who turned out to oppose the aggressive war on Iraq were airbrushed and selectively filmed to create the illusion that there were fewer than the number actually present at the protests. As well there was little coverage of the police abuses in &#8220;crowd control&#8221; such as spraying pepper spray in the face of a father and his baby here locally where I live, Portland, Oregon, etc., &#8230;.</p>
<p>People need to get beyond the curtain and notice that the two halves of the one party talk a different game but govern the same.</p>
<p>In selling Obamacare®, just as in </i><i>selling</i> the Iraq War, the same types of manipulations are in use. Selective coverage, and omission of key data. Just as the media could never get to saying that Bush lied, they provide the same sort of coverage for the Obamessiah. The same sorts of camera angles are used, framing his head in a glow to create the subconscious association with a halo etc., &#8230; The media manipulation is not in favor of either party &#8211; it is in the interests of the small group of psychotic Plutocrats/Kleptocrats who are looting the country via the so-called bail out which <i>has been supported on both sides of the aisle</i>. Notice the manipulation with the Hegelian Dialectic &#8211; the Demoncrats propose a ghastly controlling Hellthcare Plan while the RepubliCONS propose Obamacare® lite &#8211; <i>while rarely, if ever, questioning whether this should be a legitimate constitutional activity by the Feral Government.</p>
<p>It is not just that they are, both sides, lying but that the real issues are never addressed. Milton Friedman, in &#8220;Free To Choose&#8221; analyzed the high cost of Hellthcare correctly over twenty years ago. The problem is Government Intervention and Price Supports via supporting one group, the AMA, over others. In no other field than medicine are the standards for schools controlled by the group regulated other than in health care.</p>
<p>Healthcare is not an overnight problem, but is one that has been </i><i>created</i> over the last 40 years (actually longer if you go back to the 30&#8242;s and the enshrinement of the AMA as the controlling body). </p>
<p><i>A dog has four legs. Suppose you call his tail a leg? How many legs does he have.<br />
Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn&#8217;t make it a leg.</i> ~ Abraham Lincoln</p>
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		<title>By: ditto</title>
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		<dc:creator>ditto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know who Obama and his planners think they are fooling. It was so obvious that this was just another staged for TV propaganda event, that a guest on FOX said that even her child happened to comment on the unusual difference between the people &quot;outside&quot; and and those &quot;inside.&quot; 

We need to start calling the MSM by what it really is. The Democrat Propaganda Ministry.

&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&quot;You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.&quot; - Abraham Lincoln &lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I don&#8217;t know who Obama and his planners think they are fooling. It was so obvious that this was just another staged for TV propaganda event, that a guest on FOX said that even her child happened to comment on the unusual difference between the people &#8220;outside&#8221; and and those &#8220;inside.&#8221; </p>
<p>We need to start calling the MSM by what it really is. The Democrat Propaganda Ministry.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.&#8221; &#8211; Abraham Lincoln </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Rides A Pale Horse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rides A Pale Horse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plants?  In the audience?
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w222/RidesAPaleHorse/Obamination/obamaplants.jpg

Obamas &quot;townhall&quot; in NH.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w222/RidesAPaleHorse/Obamination/obamatownhall.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Plants?  In the audience?<br />
<a href="http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w222/RidesAPaleHorse/Obamination/obamaplants.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w222/RidesAPaleHorse/Obamination/obamaplants.jpg</a></p>
<p>Obamas &#8220;townhall&#8221; in NH.<br />
<a href="http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w222/RidesAPaleHorse/Obamination/obamatownhall.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w222/RidesAPaleHorse/Obamination/obamatownhall.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Buffalobob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buffalobob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 02:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every time a liberal proposes a new socialist (code word) program we hear it is for the children or our children&#039;s future. Not a word from them regarding the heavy tax and fee burden they are going to impose on those children if this obama fiasco goes through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Every time a liberal proposes a new socialist (code word) program we hear it is for the children or our children&#8217;s future. Not a word from them regarding the heavy tax and fee burden they are going to impose on those children if this obama fiasco goes through.</p>
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		<title>By: Madalyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madalyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 02:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AW Gee - the way to get all those pesky people to come to his way of thinking is thowing a little girl to the wolves. Nice going Mr. President. The mother of that little girl needs to have social services pay a visit for planting her daughter amongst all those horrible people who do not bow to the messiah. Was that girl there on her own? If so, how did she get there? Drive? Take the bus? Let&#039;s face it; her mom used her in a horrible way. To suck up to an Unamerican Pig!! That is totally shameful! The mother should be ashamed of herself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>AW Gee &#8211; the way to get all those pesky people to come to his way of thinking is thowing a little girl to the wolves. Nice going Mr. President. The mother of that little girl needs to have social services pay a visit for planting her daughter amongst all those horrible people who do not bow to the messiah. Was that girl there on her own? If so, how did she get there? Drive? Take the bus? Let&#8217;s face it; her mom used her in a horrible way. To suck up to an Unamerican Pig!! That is totally shameful! The mother should be ashamed of herself.</p>
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		<title>By: Disturber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disturber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 02:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have Medicare Advantage through Kaiser in No. Calif.  I am extremely happy with this plan.  I pay a monthly fee to Kaiser as well as copays that range from a low of $10 on general prescriptions to $30 for an office visit.  I get the same first quality care that I received when a Kaiser member sub 65.  I also get dental, vision and hearing benefits although I don&#039;t take advantage of all of them for various reasons.  Were I to have a major event, say a heart attack or the like, I would be fully covered with the same copays.  My parents, who are in their 90&#039;s, have regular Medicare with a supplemental drug benefit due to my father&#039;s employment in the pharm industry as a chemist.  When they go to the doctor, and they do often, they get a whole load of unnecessary tests and treatments that are often not related to their complaints.  This reflects the perverse incentives that Medicare offers to load up the services so as to increase the ultimate billing.  The level of reimbursement to the docs is often less than my copays.

Obama says that no American that is happy with their plan will lose it, yet millions of us who enjoy Medicare Advantage will do just that.  I strongly object to this massive intrusion into a system that work very well.  Kaiser has a satisfaction rating among seniors of over 97%.  I would like to find any government program other than a flat out free money giveaway that enjoys anything like that rating.  Rate the DMV in any state, for example or the post office.

In Mass. Maine and Oregon, all of which have Obamacare like programs, the systems are breaking down.  They are unable to deliver the promised services, they are hugely over budget, and there is no quantifiable improvement over what they displaced.   This is all smoke and mirrors folks.  We can do far better.  Yes we can!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I have Medicare Advantage through Kaiser in No. Calif.  I am extremely happy with this plan.  I pay a monthly fee to Kaiser as well as copays that range from a low of $10 on general prescriptions to $30 for an office visit.  I get the same first quality care that I received when a Kaiser member sub 65.  I also get dental, vision and hearing benefits although I don&#8217;t take advantage of all of them for various reasons.  Were I to have a major event, say a heart attack or the like, I would be fully covered with the same copays.  My parents, who are in their 90&#8242;s, have regular Medicare with a supplemental drug benefit due to my father&#8217;s employment in the pharm industry as a chemist.  When they go to the doctor, and they do often, they get a whole load of unnecessary tests and treatments that are often not related to their complaints.  This reflects the perverse incentives that Medicare offers to load up the services so as to increase the ultimate billing.  The level of reimbursement to the docs is often less than my copays.</p>
<p>Obama says that no American that is happy with their plan will lose it, yet millions of us who enjoy Medicare Advantage will do just that.  I strongly object to this massive intrusion into a system that work very well.  Kaiser has a satisfaction rating among seniors of over 97%.  I would like to find any government program other than a flat out free money giveaway that enjoys anything like that rating.  Rate the DMV in any state, for example or the post office.</p>
<p>In Mass. Maine and Oregon, all of which have Obamacare like programs, the systems are breaking down.  They are unable to deliver the promised services, they are hugely over budget, and there is no quantifiable improvement over what they displaced.   This is all smoke and mirrors folks.  We can do far better.  Yes we can!!</p>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my paper they have a photo of a crowd, all wearing pro-health care buttons and badges, carrying identical Reform Now signs.

The photo they included for the anti reformer is one man with a 9mm pistol strapped to his leg holding a sign that said &quot;Time to water the tree of liberty.  Apparently he was the only anti there and he had a gun.

Headline in my paper:  To Friendly Crowd, Obama assails health-care foes.

Friendly indeed, hand picked questions, bussed in participants.

Perception management it tis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>In my paper they have a photo of a crowd, all wearing pro-health care buttons and badges, carrying identical Reform Now signs.</p>
<p>The photo they included for the anti reformer is one man with a 9mm pistol strapped to his leg holding a sign that said &#8220;Time to water the tree of liberty.  Apparently he was the only anti there and he had a gun.</p>
<p>Headline in my paper:  To Friendly Crowd, Obama assails health-care foes.</p>
<p>Friendly indeed, hand picked questions, bussed in participants.</p>
<p>Perception management it tis.</p>
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		<title>By: Posts about Michelle Malkin as of August 12, 2009 &#187; The Daily Parr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Posts about Michelle Malkin as of August 12, 2009 &#187; The Daily Parr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Netroots Nation conference, formerly known as the Yearly Kos , is also going on in Pittsburgh.   Obama’s Kubuki Theater…Er, Town Hall Meeting - floppingaces.net 08/12/2009 If you haven’t already heard the news about Obama’s townhall [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>[...] Netroots Nation conference, formerly known as the Yearly Kos , is also going on in Pittsburgh.   Obama’s Kubuki Theater…Er, Town Hall Meeting &#8211; floppingaces.net 08/12/2009 If you haven’t already heard the news about Obama’s townhall [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rochester_veteran</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/08/12/obamas-kubuki-theater-er-town-hall-meeting/#comment-237876</link>
		<dc:creator>rochester_veteran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another clue at the Town Hall Meetings that the left and SEIU are busing shills  to these meetings is the signs they carry. We unwashed masses of the MOB make our own signs and most are quite inventive and some are quite funny. The SEIU and ACORN crowd mostly carry professionally printed signs. Some are illegal aliens who&#039;ve been paid to demonstrate, such as in Denver, when Pelosi visited and they don&#039;t even understand what&#039;s in the signs (no hablo ingles)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://nygoe.wordpress.com/2009/08/07/seiu-hires-illegal-aliens-to-do-the-astroturfing-real-americans-wont/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GOE NY - SEIU hires Illegal Aliens to do the Astroturfing Real Americans Won’t&lt;/a&gt;

The left and the State Sponsored Media have been claiming that the big turnouts at the Town Hall Meeting of opponents of Obamacare is an astroturf job of the Republicans, but anybody who&#039;s been to one can tell you it&#039;s the left and the SEIU that are guilty of astroturfing, it&#039;s so obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Another clue at the Town Hall Meetings that the left and SEIU are busing shills  to these meetings is the signs they carry. We unwashed masses of the MOB make our own signs and most are quite inventive and some are quite funny. The SEIU and ACORN crowd mostly carry professionally printed signs. Some are illegal aliens who&#8217;ve been paid to demonstrate, such as in Denver, when Pelosi visited and they don&#8217;t even understand what&#8217;s in the signs (no hablo ingles)</p>
<p><a href="http://nygoe.wordpress.com/2009/08/07/seiu-hires-illegal-aliens-to-do-the-astroturfing-real-americans-wont/" rel="nofollow">GOE NY &#8211; SEIU hires Illegal Aliens to do the Astroturfing Real Americans Won’t</a></p>
<p>The left and the State Sponsored Media have been claiming that the big turnouts at the Town Hall Meeting of opponents of Obamacare is an astroturf job of the Republicans, but anybody who&#8217;s been to one can tell you it&#8217;s the left and the SEIU that are guilty of astroturfing, it&#8217;s so obvious.</p>
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