Sorry Tony, you cannot piss on our legs and then try to convince us it’s raining.

That doesn’t work here.

Obie has been clear. He wants single payer.

He specifically said so in the 2003 clip.

He specifically said in the 2007 clip that employer based coverage will be eliminated but not “immediately”.

Those are his words. Really, really simple and straightforward.

The terminology is not “tough”. On the contrary, it’s rather elementary and your attempts to gaslight us by attempting to spin the obvious into something it isn’t is more than a tad transparent.

Great try though.

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There is no inconsistency at all. He is in favor of *single-payer* but understands that it’s a nonstarter politically because Americans are too entwined in the employer-based model (for some ungodly reason). Therefore, he backs the next best thing, which is *universal* care thru private insurers– so the Private insurance companies can continue to take 15% of the health care dollar off the top.

Listen to the two top clips again.

I know it’s tough to get through the terminology, but it’s kind of the entire argument, so if you don’t try to understand it, then it’s really pointless to discuss it further.

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Question: “Was he lying then or now?”

Answer: Yes.

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I sincerely believe the one truth Barack Obama spoke was back in October 2008 when he told ‘Joe the Plumber’ that he (Obama) intends to take the profits of business owners and “spread the wealth around” to those with less. Everything Obama has done, the porkulous package, the cars for clunkers, the ‘free money’ to seniors, the $200 back-to-school giveaway for needy kids in NY state…………. Its a never ending robbing Peter to pay Paul to level the playing field ……. its fantasy quest and it won’t end till we are either all flat broke and get issued with our government tin cup begging bowls or get ‘Team Obama’ and the Democrat lead Congress and House into minority lame duck status.
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I have to wonder this:

How many people will be STUPID ENOUGH to vote for this idiot again!?!?!?

And to ask the “elephant in the room question”
How will this impact ANY future black American running for president?
Will people be hesitant to vote for that candidate based on (Zero)bama’s limp-wristed, Dictator hugging, failure at doing what is right for this country?

Obama and the Nazi’s dim-o-craps are trying really hard to force us down that line whether we want it or not.
I wish I had caught the name of the idiot who is going to vote for this PoS bill AGAINST HIS CONSTITUENTS wishes – and his reasoning? “It is what the country needs… even if they do not know better”

How humble and such a shining example of humility.

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This is from the DNC/Obama’s website ‘Organizing for America’ website on January 21, 2008:

Fact Check: Obama Consistent in His Position on Single Payer Health Care
January 21, 2008

Rhetoric: “Today, he opposes single payer health care, and attacks Sen. Clinton for proposing a plan that covers everyone”

Reality: Obama Has Consistently Said That If We Were Starting From Scratch, He Would Support A Single Payer System, But Now We Need To Build On The System We Have

If Obama Were Starting From Scratch, He Would Support A Single Payer System. The New Yorker wrote, “‘If you’re starting from scratch,’ he [Obama] says, ‘then a single-payer system’-a government-managed system like Canada’s, which disconnects health insurance from employment-’would probably make sense. But we’ve got all these legacy systems in place, and managing the transition, as well as adjusting the culture to a different system, would be difficult to pull off. So we may need a system that’s not so disruptive that people feel like suddenly what they’ve known for most of their lives is thrown by the wayside.’” [New Yorker, 5/7/07]

If Obama Were Starting From Scratch, He Would Support A Single Payer System. “At a roundtable with a handful of invited guests at Lindy’s Diner in Keene, Obama said if he were starting from scratch, he would probably propose a single payer health care system, but because of existing infrastructure, he created a proposal to improve the current system.” [Concord Monitor, 8/14/07]

If Obama Were Starting From Scratch, He Would Support A Single Payer System. Obama said, “Here’s the bottom line. If I were designing a system from scratch I would probably set up a single-payer system…But we’re not designing a system from scratch…And when we had a healthcare forum before I set up my healthcare plan here in Iowa there was a lot of resistance to a single-payer system. So what I believe is we should set up a series of choices….Over time it may be that we end up transitioning to such a system. For now, I just want to make sure every American is covered…I don’t want to wait for that perfect system…The one thing you should ask about the candidates though is who’s gonna have the capacity to actually deliver on the change?…I believe I’ve got a better capacity to break the gridlock and attract both Independents and Republicans to work together.” [http://iowa.barackobama.com/page/community/tag/Ames]

http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/01/21/fact_check_obama_consistent_in.php

Anyone who thinks that Obamacare is not a trojan horse into a single payer system is living in a State of Denial…maybe that’s the 51st state that Obama referred to when he visited “57″ states during his campaign? I know I was wondering what the names of those 7 states were, now I know one of them! Just to refresh our memory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

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Islam has a concept called Al-Takeyya, which permits, and even encourages, Muslims to lie to protect one’s self or fellow Muslims, or to advance Islamic goals. It’s as if Obama and the Obamedia have adopted this concept in aid of their socialist causes.

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I call it obammunism – plain and simple!

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Herman isn’t alone, I heard the same defence on the radio yesterday, must be part of their game plan – Barack Obama was for single payer, but President Obama says he isn’t.

Question: when you look at other statements of belief Obama made before running for president, how many of those has he continued to push through to this day?

His “I’m not for single payer” stance right now is the fulfillment of his “10, 15, 20 years” down the road philosophy.

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Madalyn, Obama has no stake in America because he did not serve in the Armed Forces, was an Affirmative Action product and was raised by Communists/Socialists and was “Entitled” from the day he found his way out of the womb.

Pretender Obama was well coached by Socialists and groomed to destroy America.

He will not prevail.

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