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		<title>By: Illusion Or Reality &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 60 Minutes Fear of a Nation Clinging to its Guns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Illusion Or Reality &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 60 Minutes Fear of a Nation Clinging to its Guns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hard Right</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/26/60-minutes-fear-of-a-nation-clinging-to-its-guns/#comment-229673</link>
		<dc:creator>Hard Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aleric, something else they did was even if the student shot the &quot;gunman&quot;, they declared it a failure if the student didn&#039;t avoid getting shot. 
One of the students got shot center of mass but shot the &quot;gunman&quot; in the leg. That&#039;s one of the ones they declared a failure becuase the student was killed and the &quot;gunman&quot; was not. 

The problem with the little game they played is that they &lt;strong&gt;assume&lt;/strong&gt; the shooter was not stopped, the student was dead for sure and the shooter wasn&#039;t. WRONG! Anyone who has studied this sort of thing knows that nothing is guranteed in a shootout. That shot may not have killed or even incapacitated the student and the wound to the shooter&#039;s leg may have severed an artery or even broken his leg. 

Really, I&#039;m being silly because the point of the whole thing was to show that guns in civilian hands don&#039;t save lives and we all just need to be good little victims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Aleric, something else they did was even if the student shot the &#8220;gunman&#8221;, they declared it a failure if the student didn&#8217;t avoid getting shot.<br />
One of the students got shot center of mass but shot the &#8220;gunman&#8221; in the leg. That&#8217;s one of the ones they declared a failure becuase the student was killed and the &#8220;gunman&#8221; was not. </p>
<p>The problem with the little game they played is that they <strong>assume</strong> the shooter was not stopped, the student was dead for sure and the shooter wasn&#8217;t. WRONG! Anyone who has studied this sort of thing knows that nothing is guranteed in a shootout. That shot may not have killed or even incapacitated the student and the wound to the shooter&#8217;s leg may have severed an artery or even broken his leg. </p>
<p>Really, I&#8217;m being silly because the point of the whole thing was to show that guns in civilian hands don&#8217;t save lives and we all just need to be good little victims.</p>
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		<title>By: chipset</title>
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		<dc:creator>chipset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To make it even, the &quot;shooter&quot; should have no knowledge of who has the gun.  Notice that&#039;s the first person they shot at.  Such a contrived example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>To make it even, the &#8220;shooter&#8221; should have no knowledge of who has the gun.  Notice that&#8217;s the first person they shot at.  Such a contrived example.</p>
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		<title>By: Hawk</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/26/60-minutes-fear-of-a-nation-clinging-to-its-guns/#comment-229636</link>
		<dc:creator>Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you need STRICTER gun controls. You just need to enforce those that are already there. And as has been pointed out ad nauseum, shooters don&#039;t show up to places like gun ranges, police stations, and other places where there are many others who are armed. They like to target &quot;gun free&quot; zones and we see how fair that goes.

@ThomNJ: I hear ya. I haven&#039;t been to the range in a while and until my situation improves that isn&#039;t going to happen. I just don&#039;t have that kind of stock pile lying around :)

Anyway, my wife is from Canada and has gone from anti-gun to a &quot;just enforce the controls already in place&quot; kind of person. I am pretty sure that the bank robber we had hide in the next apartment building over changed all that. I knew something was up when she called me at work and asked &quot;Where is the gun?&quot;

I&#039;m looking forward to getting back to the range so we can teach her to shoot properly.
Once that is done, I better watch my P&#039;s and Q&#039;s ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I don&#8217;t think you need STRICTER gun controls. You just need to enforce those that are already there. And as has been pointed out ad nauseum, shooters don&#8217;t show up to places like gun ranges, police stations, and other places where there are many others who are armed. They like to target &#8220;gun free&#8221; zones and we see how fair that goes.</p>
<p>@ThomNJ: I hear ya. I haven&#8217;t been to the range in a while and until my situation improves that isn&#8217;t going to happen. I just don&#8217;t have that kind of stock pile lying around <img src='http://floppingaces.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, my wife is from Canada and has gone from anti-gun to a &#8220;just enforce the controls already in place&#8221; kind of person. I am pretty sure that the bank robber we had hide in the next apartment building over changed all that. I knew something was up when she called me at work and asked &#8220;Where is the gun?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to getting back to the range so we can teach her to shoot properly.<br />
Once that is done, I better watch my P&#8217;s and Q&#8217;s <img src='http://floppingaces.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ifticar</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/26/60-minutes-fear-of-a-nation-clinging-to-its-guns/#comment-229528</link>
		<dc:creator>Ifticar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stories like this are great for gun sales. Every time a story like this is aired gun sales go up. I have to wonder if producers of such shows are not getting kick backs from the gun lobby. In any case, as a gun dealer, I could just hug them all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Stories like this are great for gun sales. Every time a story like this is aired gun sales go up. I have to wonder if producers of such shows are not getting kick backs from the gun lobby. In any case, as a gun dealer, I could just hug them all.</p>
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		<title>By: ThomNJ</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/26/60-minutes-fear-of-a-nation-clinging-to-its-guns/#comment-229502</link>
		<dc:creator>ThomNJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow - thanks.  I am so tired of hearing about assault weapons and the intimation that they are essentially machine guns.  The press constantly makes this allusion - it is nothing but propaganda technique.

Other comments made above about the &quot;experiment&quot; are perfect - if this was a science class on how to design an experiment - they would score a D or less.

By the by, I have read that Feinstein has a concealed carry permit that she obtained some years ago.  Hypocrite.

I suppose that I am one of those that Feinstein and her ilk just hate - yesterday, I got up early and went to the range to practice presentation from the holster and shooting....and then I went to church later in the morning.  I don&#039;t want to have to use my gun ever, but like Lance Thomas, I don&#039;t want to be a victim either - and I don&#039;t want anyone entering my house to harm my family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Wow &#8211; thanks.  I am so tired of hearing about assault weapons and the intimation that they are essentially machine guns.  The press constantly makes this allusion &#8211; it is nothing but propaganda technique.</p>
<p>Other comments made above about the &#8220;experiment&#8221; are perfect &#8211; if this was a science class on how to design an experiment &#8211; they would score a D or less.</p>
<p>By the by, I have read that Feinstein has a concealed carry permit that she obtained some years ago.  Hypocrite.</p>
<p>I suppose that I am one of those that Feinstein and her ilk just hate &#8211; yesterday, I got up early and went to the range to practice presentation from the holster and shooting&#8230;.and then I went to church later in the morning.  I don&#8217;t want to have to use my gun ever, but like Lance Thomas, I don&#8217;t want to be a victim either &#8211; and I don&#8217;t want anyone entering my house to harm my family.</p>
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		<title>By: Aleric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aleric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>60 Minutes is still on?  Huh, who would have thought that.  

I do take exception with having staged scenerios where the assailant know exactly who and where the person with the gun is located.  How many killers have that information when they go on a rampage?  

But what caught my eye most was that when the person stood up and fired at the assailant did you notice that the gun man concentrated on them and no one else.  On both scenerios he never shot another person but kept his focus on the other person with the gun while 20 or 30 people escaped to safety.  No one brought that point up when Diane moaned that the civilian &quot;may&quot; have hit one of the people fleeing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>60 Minutes is still on?  Huh, who would have thought that.  </p>
<p>I do take exception with having staged scenerios where the assailant know exactly who and where the person with the gun is located.  How many killers have that information when they go on a rampage?  </p>
<p>But what caught my eye most was that when the person stood up and fired at the assailant did you notice that the gun man concentrated on them and no one else.  On both scenerios he never shot another person but kept his focus on the other person with the gun while 20 or 30 people escaped to safety.  No one brought that point up when Diane moaned that the civilian &#8220;may&#8221; have hit one of the people fleeing.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed in the 20/20 piece that besides the shooter being trained, he seemed to know exactly who in the room had a gun.  Additionally, it sure didn&#039;t help any of the &quot;test subjects&quot; that their vision was obstructed by the protective gear.
The lesson from the piece is that if somebody comes in a room looking for you, you&#039;d be better off in the back of the room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I noticed in the 20/20 piece that besides the shooter being trained, he seemed to know exactly who in the room had a gun.  Additionally, it sure didn&#8217;t help any of the &#8220;test subjects&#8221; that their vision was obstructed by the protective gear.<br />
The lesson from the piece is that if somebody comes in a room looking for you, you&#8217;d be better off in the back of the room.</p>
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		<title>By: savage24</title>
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		<dc:creator>savage24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to remember that an &quot;unarm citizen becomes a subject&quot;. That is what this is all about. The politicians are afraid of the armed public. And today in this government it doesn&#039;t make a difference what party these politicians belong to, their ultimate goal is power over the American people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>You have to remember that an &#8220;unarm citizen becomes a subject&#8221;. That is what this is all about. The politicians are afraid of the armed public. And today in this government it doesn&#8217;t make a difference what party these politicians belong to, their ultimate goal is power over the American people.</p>
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		<title>By: thebronze</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/26/60-minutes-fear-of-a-nation-clinging-to-its-guns/#comment-229428</link>
		<dc:creator>thebronze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. I didn&#039;t expect anything but anti-gun tripe from 60 Minutes.

I wasn&#039;t disappointed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>P.S. I didn&#8217;t expect anything but anti-gun tripe from 60 Minutes.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t disappointed&#8230;</p>
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