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		<title>By: Aqua</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/21/weekly-open-thread-8/#comment-227505</link>
		<dc:creator>Aqua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last night should go down as the single most embarrassing moment for the White House press corps and the press overall, in the history of this country. Even questions that could have been considered a little tough were delivered with an almost apologetic tone. The rest of the press corps should have just moved to the front of the room and knelt in admiration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Last night should go down as the single most embarrassing moment for the White House press corps and the press overall, in the history of this country. Even questions that could have been considered a little tough were delivered with an almost apologetic tone. The rest of the press corps should have just moved to the front of the room and knelt in admiration.</p>
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		<title>By: Wisdom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wisdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-226801&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MataHarley&lt;/a&gt;: I&#039;m interested specifically in the White Mountain/Sweetwater County wind farm being forwarded by Tasco.

If Tasco is using 100% private funds, and 100% private land, and guarantees no interruption of access to surrounding public lands, then I am all for them building a wind farm. My opposition to it will come from the use of public money, public land, and any threat to access of public land that may come from the plans.

Yes, I am unhappy about the possibility of losing a beautiful skyline, but I am also a capitalist, and if that property belongs to a private party then I support their right to do with it what they will, but not with my money.

As for the Wyo Game &amp; Fish, you are right, we do have a friend there, but WGF isn&#039;t an all powerful agency like the USFGS. Their primary motivation is to keep plans in place protecting the grouse in order to keep them off of ESA listing and to keep the feds off their back.

As for the governor, he has submitted the name of his wife to the President as a nominee for the federal judgeship that has been unfilled after the Senate Dems refused to allow a vote on Bush&#039;s nominee to the same bench for the last two years. I can imagine where his loyalties are now.

If I decide to fight this, the best chance at winning will be at the County Commission level. Our commissioners are basically mindless sheep, who mostly like to keep people happy, but if I can sway a crowd at their meeting, I may be able to sway them at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-226801" rel="nofollow">MataHarley</a>: I&#8217;m interested specifically in the White Mountain/Sweetwater County wind farm being forwarded by Tasco.</p>
<p>If Tasco is using 100% private funds, and 100% private land, and guarantees no interruption of access to surrounding public lands, then I am all for them building a wind farm. My opposition to it will come from the use of public money, public land, and any threat to access of public land that may come from the plans.</p>
<p>Yes, I am unhappy about the possibility of losing a beautiful skyline, but I am also a capitalist, and if that property belongs to a private party then I support their right to do with it what they will, but not with my money.</p>
<p>As for the Wyo Game &amp; Fish, you are right, we do have a friend there, but WGF isn&#8217;t an all powerful agency like the USFGS. Their primary motivation is to keep plans in place protecting the grouse in order to keep them off of ESA listing and to keep the feds off their back.</p>
<p>As for the governor, he has submitted the name of his wife to the President as a nominee for the federal judgeship that has been unfilled after the Senate Dems refused to allow a vote on Bush&#8217;s nominee to the same bench for the last two years. I can imagine where his loyalties are now.</p>
<p>If I decide to fight this, the best chance at winning will be at the County Commission level. Our commissioners are basically mindless sheep, who mostly like to keep people happy, but if I can sway a crowd at their meeting, I may be able to sway them at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Hard Right</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/21/weekly-open-thread-8/#comment-227273</link>
		<dc:creator>Hard Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 01:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Patrol officers then assisted Child Protective Services with removing the victim from the custody of her parents, who, according to detectives, blamed her for being victimized and bringing shame to their family&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Was the victim Asian? From the Middle East? &lt;strong&gt;Major WTF moment. Her parents should be sterilized&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
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<p>Was the victim Asian? From the Middle East? <strong>Major WTF moment. Her parents should be sterilized</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Buffalobob</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/21/weekly-open-thread-8/#comment-227258</link>
		<dc:creator>Buffalobob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As disturbing as this breaking story is, read the next to the last paragraph.

PHOENIX -- Four boys, ages 9 to 14, have been arrested in connection with the sexual assault of an 8-year-old girl in a vacant shed, Phoenix police said.

Officers said the boys used chewing gum to entice the victim into the shed near 43rd Avenue and Thomas Road at about 5:15 p.m. on Thursday.

The girl was then restrained while four of the children, ages 9, 10, 13, and 14, sexually assaulted her, according to a police news release. Police said the boys and the girl are children of West African refugees.

Phoenix police officers responded to an emergency radio call of unknown trouble with a young girl screaming hysterically as she ran out of a storage shed partially clothed, investigators said. 


Several boys were seen running from the area and one of them was caught by officers, according to the news release.

As the investigation unfolded, detectives learned the identities of all the suspects.

The four boys were arrested Tuesday while they were at home by officers from Maryvale Precinct.

Patrol officers then assisted Child Protective Services with removing the victim from the custody of her parents, who, according to detectives, blamed her for being victimized and bringing shame to their family, investigators said.

Police interviewed the boys who police said admitted to planning the sexual assault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>As disturbing as this breaking story is, read the next to the last paragraph.</p>
<p>PHOENIX &#8212; Four boys, ages 9 to 14, have been arrested in connection with the sexual assault of an 8-year-old girl in a vacant shed, Phoenix police said.</p>
<p>Officers said the boys used chewing gum to entice the victim into the shed near 43rd Avenue and Thomas Road at about 5:15 p.m. on Thursday.</p>
<p>The girl was then restrained while four of the children, ages 9, 10, 13, and 14, sexually assaulted her, according to a police news release. Police said the boys and the girl are children of West African refugees.</p>
<p>Phoenix police officers responded to an emergency radio call of unknown trouble with a young girl screaming hysterically as she ran out of a storage shed partially clothed, investigators said. </p>
<p>Several boys were seen running from the area and one of them was caught by officers, according to the news release.</p>
<p>As the investigation unfolded, detectives learned the identities of all the suspects.</p>
<p>The four boys were arrested Tuesday while they were at home by officers from Maryvale Precinct.</p>
<p>Patrol officers then assisted Child Protective Services with removing the victim from the custody of her parents, who, according to detectives, blamed her for being victimized and bringing shame to their family, investigators said.</p>
<p>Police interviewed the boys who police said admitted to planning the sexual assault.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/21/weekly-open-thread-8/#comment-227021</link>
		<dc:creator>Neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
A &lt;strike&gt;Spanish&lt;/strike&gt; &lt;em&gt;Catalan&lt;/em&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.europapress.cat/internacional/noticia-decomisan-varios-ordenadores-casa-presidencial-resultados-consulta-queria-hacer-zelaya-20090717221327.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;newspaper is reporting&lt;/a&gt; that Honduran authorities have seized computers found in the Presidential Palace belonging to deposed president Mel Zelaya. Taking a page right out of the leftist dictator&#039;s handbook, these computers, according to the news report, contained the official and certified results of the illegal constitutional referendum Zelaya wanted to conduct that never took place. The results of this fraudulent vote was tilted heavily in Zelaya&#039;s favor, ensuring he could go ahead and illegally change the constitution so he could remain in power for as long as he wanted to. ACORN, &lt;a href=&quot;http://babalublog.com/2009/07/a-page-out-of-the-chavez-leftist-in-other-words-playbook/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I&#039;m sure&lt;/a&gt;, is taking notes.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
... strange how that Venezuelan technology works ... it comes with the results predetermined.  I wonder if the &quot;rubes&quot; in Venezuela have taken note.

And then today ...
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/22/zelaya-accused-of-cash-withdrawal/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Honduran officials&lt;/a&gt; are investigating allegations that President Manuel Zelaya and his chief of staff stole millions of dollars from the central bank before the military ousted Mr. Zelaya last month, according to a senior Honduran official, government documents and other evidence.
A security video from the Central Bank of Honduras made available to The Washington Times shows officials entering the bank June 24 and withdrawing large amounts of Honduran currency. The money was driven to the office of Mr. Zelaya&#039;s chief of staff, Enrique Flores Lanza, according to depositions by three witnesses to Honduran prosecutors.
Government documents and testimony by the three say that about $2.2 million was taken.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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A <strike>Spanish</strike> <em>Catalan</em> <a href="http://www.europapress.cat/internacional/noticia-decomisan-varios-ordenadores-casa-presidencial-resultados-consulta-queria-hacer-zelaya-20090717221327.html" rel="nofollow">newspaper is reporting</a> that Honduran authorities have seized computers found in the Presidential Palace belonging to deposed president Mel Zelaya. Taking a page right out of the leftist dictator&#8217;s handbook, these computers, according to the news report, contained the official and certified results of the illegal constitutional referendum Zelaya wanted to conduct that never took place. The results of this fraudulent vote was tilted heavily in Zelaya&#8217;s favor, ensuring he could go ahead and illegally change the constitution so he could remain in power for as long as he wanted to. ACORN, <a href="http://babalublog.com/2009/07/a-page-out-of-the-chavez-leftist-in-other-words-playbook/" rel="nofollow">I&#8217;m sure</a>, is taking notes.
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<p>&#8230; strange how that Venezuelan technology works &#8230; it comes with the results predetermined.  I wonder if the &#8220;rubes&#8221; in Venezuela have taken note.</p>
<p>And then today &#8230;</p>
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<a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/22/zelaya-accused-of-cash-withdrawal/" rel="nofollow">Honduran officials</a> are investigating allegations that President Manuel Zelaya and his chief of staff stole millions of dollars from the central bank before the military ousted Mr. Zelaya last month, according to a senior Honduran official, government documents and other evidence.<br />
A security video from the Central Bank of Honduras made available to The Washington Times shows officials entering the bank June 24 and withdrawing large amounts of Honduran currency. The money was driven to the office of Mr. Zelaya&#8217;s chief of staff, Enrique Flores Lanza, according to depositions by three witnesses to Honduran prosecutors.<br />
Government documents and testimony by the three say that about $2.2 million was taken.
</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-226789&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Buffalobob&lt;/a&gt;: 

Yipes!  I didn&#039;t know about that!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01TvbsTE-ZE

Well, I guess it wasn&#039;t in his will to be cremated.  Probably didn&#039;t want the CO2 to count against him, or some other stupid greenie thing.  Say, I wonder if any of his facial reconstruction had to do with fixing that?  Maybe that accident forced him to have some of the surgery THAT made him so weird looking as a result?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-226789" rel="nofollow">Buffalobob</a>: </p>
<p>Yipes!  I didn&#8217;t know about that!<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01TvbsTE-ZE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01TvbsTE-ZE</a></p>
<p>Well, I guess it wasn&#8217;t in his will to be cremated.  Probably didn&#8217;t want the CO2 to count against him, or some other stupid greenie thing.  Say, I wonder if any of his facial reconstruction had to do with fixing that?  Maybe that accident forced him to have some of the surgery THAT made him so weird looking as a result?</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully, I remember that you&#039;re in Wyoming, yes?  Which wind farm, Wisdom?   (meaning taking one question at a time... ala stimulus money?)  We can contribute data if we know the particular project, and the players involved.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnbc.com/id/30918745&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Is it the Anschutz Corp windfarm in southern Wyoming?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;  This is a particularly thorough article that takes names, so to speak.  May 24th, 2009 AP article.  

There was also a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wind-watch.org/news/2008/12/14/tasco-plans-massive-white-mountain-wind-farm/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;237 turbine farm discussed on White Mountain/Sweetwater County&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; area.  Also news of the water pipeline to Colorado in that same area.

If it&#039;s in any grouse area, you have a friend in &lt;a href=&quot;http://money.aol.com/article/feds-firm-on-wind-farm-ban-in-wyoming/565903&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt; the WY Fish &amp; Game&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; guys... and I&#039;m here to tell you, *they* have black helicopters!  Good to have as &quot;friends&quot;.  :0)

But then, any wind farm many have already fallen under previous government energy grants.  But I do have to say,  it looks like your Governor has put in his bid for the government stimulus before Obama even too his oath of office.... &lt;a href=&quot;http://governor.wy.gov/press-releases/governor-sends-economic-stimulus-requests-to-presidentelect-.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;This wish list dated Jan 5th&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;  No wind farms in that, tho...

I just ask since what you&#039;re asking for is a remote, mini business plan.  All depends the the land acquisition costs, the market for the generated green power (this stuff is being subsidized elsewhere because oil prices are down...).  Also considered, cost of  links to an existing transmission line and grid,  and if that transmission line is cheap and free of eminent domain land.  And of course, the add on just in case...  how many enviros with lawsuits stand inbetween the construction permit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Hopefully, I remember that you&#8217;re in Wyoming, yes?  Which wind farm, Wisdom?   (meaning taking one question at a time&#8230; ala stimulus money?)  We can contribute data if we know the particular project, and the players involved.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/30918745" rel="nofollow"><b>Is it the Anschutz Corp windfarm in southern Wyoming?</b></a>  This is a particularly thorough article that takes names, so to speak.  May 24th, 2009 AP article.  </p>
<p>There was also a <a href="http://www.wind-watch.org/news/2008/12/14/tasco-plans-massive-white-mountain-wind-farm/" rel="nofollow"><b>237 turbine farm discussed on White Mountain/Sweetwater County</b></a> area.  Also news of the water pipeline to Colorado in that same area.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s in any grouse area, you have a friend in <a href="http://money.aol.com/article/feds-firm-on-wind-farm-ban-in-wyoming/565903" rel="nofollow"><b> the WY Fish &amp; Game</b></a> guys&#8230; and I&#8217;m here to tell you, *they* have black helicopters!  Good to have as &#8220;friends&#8221;.  :0)</p>
<p>But then, any wind farm many have already fallen under previous government energy grants.  But I do have to say,  it looks like your Governor has put in his bid for the government stimulus before Obama even too his oath of office&#8230;. <a href="http://governor.wy.gov/press-releases/governor-sends-economic-stimulus-requests-to-presidentelect-.html" rel="nofollow"><b>This wish list dated Jan 5th</b></a>  No wind farms in that, tho&#8230;</p>
<p>I just ask since what you&#8217;re asking for is a remote, mini business plan.  All depends the the land acquisition costs, the market for the generated green power (this stuff is being subsidized elsewhere because oil prices are down&#8230;).  Also considered, cost of  links to an existing transmission line and grid,  and if that transmission line is cheap and free of eminent domain land.  And of course, the add on just in case&#8230;  how many enviros with lawsuits stand inbetween the construction permit.</p>
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		<title>By: Buffalobob</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>31 yonason 
You mentioned him first. So I have a question. They still haven&#039;t interned his body. Why don&#039;t they just finish what the Pepsi commercial started?</description>
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You mentioned him first. So I have a question. They still haven&#8217;t interned his body. Why don&#8217;t they just finish what the Pepsi commercial started?</p>
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		<title>By: Wisdom</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone have any figures relating to the typical Gov&#039;t investment (grants, bond, loan guarantees) in the average wind farm? I&#039;m interested in finding out if the construction of a wind farm is economically feasible without government financing (which I doubt). They are planning on building one along about 15% of my visible skyline and I want to know that it is feasible for private investors, and no gov&#039;t money is involved, before I lend my support one way or the other, or just stay out of it. Most of the information I&#039;m finding on Google is koolaid posted by the wind industry, but I haven&#039;t found much in the way of hard numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Does anyone have any figures relating to the typical Gov&#8217;t investment (grants, bond, loan guarantees) in the average wind farm? I&#8217;m interested in finding out if the construction of a wind farm is economically feasible without government financing (which I doubt). They are planning on building one along about 15% of my visible skyline and I want to know that it is feasible for private investors, and no gov&#8217;t money is involved, before I lend my support one way or the other, or just stay out of it. Most of the information I&#8217;m finding on Google is koolaid posted by the wind industry, but I haven&#8217;t found much in the way of hard numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, HOW DO &lt;EM&gt;YOU&lt;/EM&gt; WANT TO REMEMBER MICHAEL JACKSON?

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