[...] Source: http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/18/obama-follows-romneykennedys-ma-healthcare-over-cliff-as-bankrupt... [...]

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[...] Congressman Marsha Blackburn bashes TennCare as an example of how bad Obama’s proposed Universal Health Care Plan will be for all of America.   Well that’s real nice but she fails to note the fact that she campaigned for Mitt Romney whose Massachusetts Universal Health Care Plan is Bankrupting that state.  [...]

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I guess they mean the “gold plated” insurance when they say “cadillac”. Don’t know for sure, but that’s my guess.

They’re talking “national averages” there. Definitely skewed because, as Mike Volpe and I were sorta side discussing, there are some states that are over regulating their health insurers, and driving up that state’s costs… i.e. NJ, NY. When you average their overpriced plans with other states more reasonable regulation and lower state costs, you get a nice round number that has nothing to do with any of us sitting in a particular state.

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@ Mata
So where is the government coming up with this magic $12,000 number? I keep hearing that if your health care plan is more than $12,000, it is a “cadillac” plan and anything over that will be taxed. I certainly don’t see my plan as a cadillac. More like a Prius.
And looking at the new California budget, looks like a lot of old folks and kiddies are losing their plans. These guys just don’t learn. I think the honestly believe the only reason socialism doesn’t work is because no one has tried it their way.

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Totally agree with the forming of new alliances to get group plans prices down for people, Aqua. It’s one of cures I advocate the most… the ability for more to “buy in bulk”.

Looks like you’re still cheaper than MA, Aqua. But I would be very curious to see if the prices are similar, and if there is a huge difference between the coverage specifics.

I read yesterday that TennCare, another plan that’s been around and metastasizing out of control annually, is cutting 150,000 from their enrollees. Plus their time in the government healthcare biz has been fraught with fraud (insured dead people and out of staters), and made them one of the highest prescription drug using states to boot.

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@ Mata
I’ll check into it, but I’m sure it will be more than I’m paying through my employer. But probably not by much. I work for a small company. We have 75 employees. My health insurance is free, but for my wife and my son, I pay $16,800 a year. I have a high co-pay and a $1500 per person per year hospital deductible. Congress shot down the association bill that the republicans tried to put through a few years ago. It would have allowed small companies like mine, to band together with larger companies that do the same work. This would have done two things. It would have dramatically lowered our healthcare costs and it would have provided some portability. That would have made sense.
As for the rest of your comment, I agree…whole heartedly.

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I have yet to have heard a single “Obama Plan” supporter explain in any detail how this plan will “reform” health care or as they claim, make it less expensive. Shifting the costs does nothing to lower costs it just stick some other poor sucker with the bill.

The “we gotta do it NOW” attitude reinforces my opinion that this is a “snake Oil” scam.

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At this point, Aqua, I’d say employer health plans is very on topic via the comments. LOL

INRE those thru the employer, they do cover everyone without a health exam. As for the preexisting conditions, I’m not sure. They have to take them regardless of health, but I’d say some accept the preexisting conditions (it’s not unheard of), and some don’t. Now private insurance? You need to “apply”, be examined, and may still have the preexisting conditions limitations upon acceptance.

But since you would like to purchase with your auto, homeowners and life with State Farm, why don’t you call them and get a quote? Here’s their site for their Health Insurance plans So what you ask isn’t impossible. And I’d love it if you posted back here their quote for you, family, etal.

I see no reason why more insurance companies cannot provide competitive plans as an alternative. No problems with that. I have problems with the government dictating standards, demanding data reporting based on race, gender, income, community and education… plus sharing that with every federal agency and whomever else they want. And I sure don’t want them offering plans subsidized with taxpayers money. I can flush the greenback down my own toilet, thank you.

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I’ve read the post, very nice as usual. One thing that has come up in the comments is employer health insurance. I know, off topic. I have to say, I hate employer health insurance programs. If I had my way, you’d walk into State Farm and get your health insurance just like any other insurance. I have my cars, homeowners and life insurance through State Farm and get a great deal. Toss in the health care and let people control their own insurance. I didn’t retire from the Air Force, which I regret sometimes, so I’m in the same boat as everyone else. If you get a better job offer, you have to take into account the health care plan. Preexisting conditions, you better hope you don’t piss off the boss. Then of course, take care of the lawyers. Without tort reform, costs will never be under control.
As for the post itself, there is no such thing as a free lunch. How can you move to limit personal earnings while using the rich to pay for all your programs. Socialism just doesn’t work, no matter who tries to institute it, even the messiah.

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But of course, suek. But I hought it was worthy of digging out of spam. I do so love exposing the left – using their own words – for what they are… socialist/Marxists.

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