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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Health Care plans for back door passage &#8211; agenda usurps transparency</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Health Care plans for back door passage &#8211; agenda usurps transparency</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] jog your memory on the HELP proposal passing the Senate Committee. I posted on this July 15th when  the nation and the media were all fired consumed with the Sotomayor debate. There was a specific reason for my title to that post&#8230; &#8220;While the nation was busy with [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>[...] jog your memory on the HELP proposal passing the Senate Committee. I posted on this July 15th when  the nation and the media were all fired consumed with the Sotomayor debate. There was a specific reason for my title to that post&#8230; &#8220;While the nation was busy with [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/15/while-the-nation-was-busy-with-sotomayor/#comment-224084</link>
		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mata, I&#039;m confused by the article you linked to and the article I found at Lucianne&#039;s today, could there be hope after all with the Blue Dog Dems?  Energy and Commerce?... can Pelosi claim a win without that committee on board?

&lt;blockquote&gt;The House version…. health care bill, not bad baseball… passed Tuesday, with a $1.5 trillion price tag. ho humm.. those words just roll of the tongue as the norm now, yes? Want to read the Speaker’s glowing BS statement? It’s the usual pol doublespeak that squares not an iota with truth, so forgive me if I waste no space on excepts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


&lt;blockquote&gt;Centrist Dem Leader: Has Committee Votes To Block Health Bill

By Martin Vaughan, Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- U.S. Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., a leader of fiscally conservative House Democrats, said Wednesday a House plan to overhaul the U.S. health-care system is losing support and &lt;strong&gt;will be stuck in committee without changes&lt;/strong&gt;.

&quot;Last time I checked, it takes seven Democrats to stop a bill in the Energy and Commerce Committee,&quot; Ross told reporters after a House vote. &quot;We had seven against it last Friday; we have 10 today.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=200907151403dowjonesdjonline000758&amp;title=centrist-dem-leaderhas-committee-votes-to-block-health-bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Mata, I&#8217;m confused by the article you linked to and the article I found at Lucianne&#8217;s today, could there be hope after all with the Blue Dog Dems?  Energy and Commerce?&#8230; can Pelosi claim a win without that committee on board?</p>
<blockquote><p>The House version…. health care bill, not bad baseball… passed Tuesday, with a $1.5 trillion price tag. ho humm.. those words just roll of the tongue as the norm now, yes? Want to read the Speaker’s glowing BS statement? It’s the usual pol doublespeak that squares not an iota with truth, so forgive me if I waste no space on excepts.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Centrist Dem Leader: Has Committee Votes To Block Health Bill</p>
<p>By Martin Vaughan, Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES</p>
<p>WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- U.S. Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., a leader of fiscally conservative House Democrats, said Wednesday a House plan to overhaul the U.S. health-care system is losing support and <strong>will be stuck in committee without changes</strong>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Last time I checked, it takes seven Democrats to stop a bill in the Energy and Commerce Committee,&#8221; Ross told reporters after a House vote. &#8220;We had seven against it last Friday; we have 10 today.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=200907151403dowjonesdjonline000758&#038;title=centrist-dem-leaderhas-committee-votes-to-block-health-bill" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=200907151403dowjonesdjonline000758&#038;title=centrist-dem-leaderhas-committee-votes-to-block-health-bill</a></p>
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		<title>By: ditto</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/15/while-the-nation-was-busy-with-sotomayor/#comment-224048</link>
		<dc:creator>ditto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is getting to be a real modus operandus with this Democratic Congress. They wait until the new agencies are nose deep into the current news that they are running into the ground, and no one covers the damn real news. Even FOX News is getting bad about this.

Lets&#039; start emailing them and tell them to stop keeping us in the dark. We want them to tell us what these Congress Critters and the Administration are doing (Heck the SCOTUS too.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>This is getting to be a real modus operandus with this Democratic Congress. They wait until the new agencies are nose deep into the current news that they are running into the ground, and no one covers the damn real news. Even FOX News is getting bad about this.</p>
<p>Lets&#8217; start emailing them and tell them to stop keeping us in the dark. We want them to tell us what these Congress Critters and the Administration are doing (Heck the SCOTUS too.)</p>
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		<title>By: Scrapiron</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/15/while-the-nation-was-busy-with-sotomayor/#comment-223948</link>
		<dc:creator>Scrapiron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it too bad the everything President O&#039;Dumbo touches turns to sh**? So far he has &#039;0&#039; accomplishments and  a very high failure score, higher than my computer can count. 
Where are the lefties whining and crying about the highest allied death rate (June) in Afghanistan since the invasion of 2001?  Get out of Afghanistan, O&#039;Dumbo couldn&#039;t manage a cock fight much less a war, but he&#039;s good at scoring crack. American GI&#039;s are dying due to the cowardance of the entire administration, or is it the stupidity of the entire administration of traitors? I love the new appointee for the SCOTUS. She&#039;s a typical lying, hypocrite and racist democrat. More lies in two day than the average person tells in a lifetime. Anyone wonder why O&#039;Dumbo is crashing in the polls. Blackmailing the Gov of Az isn&#039;t going to help, especially if Az files felony blackmail charges against him. The charge can&#039;t fail, they have the letters as evidence. Some low level hack wrote them but the buck stops with O&#039;Dumbo. He said so, or was that a real president who said that? Looks like he needs another long overseas trip to avoid making decisions and taking responsibility for his failures. How long before the pitchforks and ropes come out for O&#039;Dumbo and his Lame Stream Media a**kissers? Will he last until folks figure out a cut in withholding rates is not a tax cut. April 15th everyone will have to caugh up lots of extra money. If you haven&#039;t increased your quarterly estimated tax payments you are screwed come tax time. No bail outs available for the working stiffs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Isn&#8217;t it too bad the everything President O&#8217;Dumbo touches turns to sh**? So far he has &#8217;0&#8242; accomplishments and  a very high failure score, higher than my computer can count.<br />
Where are the lefties whining and crying about the highest allied death rate (June) in Afghanistan since the invasion of 2001?  Get out of Afghanistan, O&#8217;Dumbo couldn&#8217;t manage a cock fight much less a war, but he&#8217;s good at scoring crack. American GI&#8217;s are dying due to the cowardance of the entire administration, or is it the stupidity of the entire administration of traitors? I love the new appointee for the SCOTUS. She&#8217;s a typical lying, hypocrite and racist democrat. More lies in two day than the average person tells in a lifetime. Anyone wonder why O&#8217;Dumbo is crashing in the polls. Blackmailing the Gov of Az isn&#8217;t going to help, especially if Az files felony blackmail charges against him. The charge can&#8217;t fail, they have the letters as evidence. Some low level hack wrote them but the buck stops with O&#8217;Dumbo. He said so, or was that a real president who said that? Looks like he needs another long overseas trip to avoid making decisions and taking responsibility for his failures. How long before the pitchforks and ropes come out for O&#8217;Dumbo and his Lame Stream Media a**kissers? Will he last until folks figure out a cut in withholding rates is not a tax cut. April 15th everyone will have to caugh up lots of extra money. If you haven&#8217;t increased your quarterly estimated tax payments you are screwed come tax time. No bail outs available for the working stiffs.</p>
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		<title>By: Toothfairy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toothfairy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on this schematic, the real plan is that few, if any, will make it through this bureaucratic nightmare before they die from either disease or sheer frustration.  In the meantime, the government will save lots of money -- but with a trillion dollars worth of debt already, they have to.  

Since the media refused to educate the public on the ramifications of universal health care, those of us who have lived in either Canada or Europe and seen socialized health care up close and personal can offer some pointers:  get used to long lines and lack of services; stock up on supplies for future hospitalizations (loved ones will have to bring in items such as soap and Kleenex); be sure to designate a friend or family member as a companion to bunk with you in case of hospitalization to get you water, help you bathe, and assist you with bathroom calls (neither nurses nor orderlies are always available for these duties); develop a stoic mindset, it will come in handy; and start researching and saving up for those Indian medical vacations.

FedUp had the best solution.  Make it mandatory for all -- including members of Congress.  NO EXCEPTIONS.  The rats would desert the bill in two seconds flat and we&#039;d never hear another word about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Based on this schematic, the real plan is that few, if any, will make it through this bureaucratic nightmare before they die from either disease or sheer frustration.  In the meantime, the government will save lots of money &#8212; but with a trillion dollars worth of debt already, they have to.  </p>
<p>Since the media refused to educate the public on the ramifications of universal health care, those of us who have lived in either Canada or Europe and seen socialized health care up close and personal can offer some pointers:  get used to long lines and lack of services; stock up on supplies for future hospitalizations (loved ones will have to bring in items such as soap and Kleenex); be sure to designate a friend or family member as a companion to bunk with you in case of hospitalization to get you water, help you bathe, and assist you with bathroom calls (neither nurses nor orderlies are always available for these duties); develop a stoic mindset, it will come in handy; and start researching and saving up for those Indian medical vacations.</p>
<p>FedUp had the best solution.  Make it mandatory for all &#8212; including members of Congress.  NO EXCEPTIONS.  The rats would desert the bill in two seconds flat and we&#8217;d never hear another word about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stix Blog ver 3.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stix Blog ver 3.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Senate Health Care Bill...&lt;/strong&gt;

You can read it here, hopefully some of those in CONgress will read it too sometime.
H/T to Flopping Aces&#039; Curt for Uploading it.

Health Care Bill Senate - 
tweetcount_url=&#039;&#039;;tweetcount_title=&#039;&#039;;tweetcount_src=&#039;Tweets&#039;;tweetcount_links=true;If ...</description>
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<p>You can read it here, hopefully some of those in CONgress will read it too sometime.<br />
H/T to Flopping Aces&#8217; Curt for Uploading it.</p>
<p>Health Care Bill Senate &#8211;<br />
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		<title>By: Action Alert Long Island! &#8220;Hands Off Healthcare Friday&#8221;- July 17, 2009 &#171; the &#8220;silent&#8221; majority no more!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Action Alert Long Island! &#8220;Hands Off Healthcare Friday&#8221;- July 17, 2009 &#171; the &#8220;silent&#8221; majority no more!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] From Flopping Aces &gt;&gt; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robert York</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The video of Patti Murray praising Bin Laden is here.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&amp;videoid=22851223</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>The video of Patti Murray praising Bin Laden is here.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Trooper</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/15/while-the-nation-was-busy-with-sotomayor/#comment-223883</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Trooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And a Hate Crimes Bill got snuck into a Defense spending Bill by the usual suspects.
Crime is Crime. Period. My train is late. AMTRACK, Government regulated, subsidized and Union as all bloody hell. 

I am TRICARE for Life insured and if that gets fooled with Obama will get a huge surprise. Retired Military are that Bitch Janet Napolitano&#039;s worse nightmare. If not fooled with it would have been fine. Team Obama Stirred up a Hornet nest. Promises not kept get consequences like elections fraudulently conducted. 

Retribution is sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>And a Hate Crimes Bill got snuck into a Defense spending Bill by the usual suspects.<br />
Crime is Crime. Period. My train is late. AMTRACK, Government regulated, subsidized and Union as all bloody hell. </p>
<p>I am TRICARE for Life insured and if that gets fooled with Obama will get a huge surprise. Retired Military are that Bitch Janet Napolitano&#8217;s worse nightmare. If not fooled with it would have been fine. Team Obama Stirred up a Hornet nest. Promises not kept get consequences like elections fraudulently conducted. </p>
<p>Retribution is sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Hard Right</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/15/while-the-nation-was-busy-with-sotomayor/#comment-223879</link>
		<dc:creator>Hard Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an idea for an ad:

We see obama during his campaign saying we&#039;d get the healthcare he and Congress enjoys.

Then you see how not only are we not getting the same, Congress is exempt from it.

Finally, the question is asked: If it&#039;s not good enough for them, why is it good enough for us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I have an idea for an ad:</p>
<p>We see obama during his campaign saying we&#8217;d get the healthcare he and Congress enjoys.</p>
<p>Then you see how not only are we not getting the same, Congress is exempt from it.</p>
<p>Finally, the question is asked: If it&#8217;s not good enough for them, why is it good enough for us?</p>
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