@MataHarley

Well you can also do what happened in WWII between Hitler & Stalin. Sit back and let ‘em fight it out.

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Gaffa: Al-Qaeda and Chinese Dictatorship – both have blood on their hands – but you don’t have to support either of them. I’m more thinking what the average/majority of those living in Tibet and Xinjiang want.

The first quip to cross my mind would be “arms and ammo”… but then don’t think the Tibetan find that conducive to their religion. Muslims? Heck yeah…

Catherine: What happen in China is black and white no matter what your feelings. The muslums went on a rampage and killed people who were non muslums. They lit buildings on fire when the people came out the muslums attacked them.

No, Catherine. The reason for the conundrum is because it is not black and white. The Han Chinese have been abusing the Uighurs (Muslims). Then again, the Uighurs got the best of the last street fight since most of the 1000+ dead were the Han Chinese. (of course, when I read that, I thought there may be quite a few AQ terror camp grads in their midst…)

This is another scumbag regime v scumbag rebel situation. Only this time one of those scumbags is the US prime banker.

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Either you condemn terrorist and their terrorist acts and stand and fight them or you will be taken over by them. What happen in China is black and white no matter what your feelings. The muslums went on a rampage and killed people who were non muslums.
They lit buildings on fire when the people came out the muslums attacked them.

What is that saying about the guy at the bar as they take other because it had nothing to do with him but in the end when they came for him there was no one left to speak out to stop them?

Catherine

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@MataHarley

Good post. I appreciate it is a fine line to walk. And I’m not advocating that the US or West do particularly any actions to encourage independence within those regions beyond expressing the principle and desire for communities around the world should be free to choose their own path. US President Wilson – did something along these lines and got himself in all sorts of trouble but nevertheless it is still a good ideal for the world to strive for. However I don’t think the West has any obligation to push such matters. In the meantime any terrorist attack on innocents in trying to gain indepedence can be heartily condemned by US and the West – as well as ensuring that these terrorists don’t have money, networks etc within the US etc.

In the end each country has to balance whether it is worth getting involved in ‘localised’ issues and if so to what degree. Genocide in Sudan – for instance – I suggest should of provoke more condemnation and intervention than it did. The rest of Africa was pretty poor at this. The EU failed Bosnia. In Ireland – since 1969 – it would of been better had the US stayed out but due to the Irish lobby in the US this gave them an excuse to meddle. And in China – the West is pretty much powerless. Al-Qaeda and Chinese Dictatorship – both have blood on their hands – but you don’t have to support either of them. I’m more thinking what the average/majority of those living in Tibet and Xinjiang want.

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Missing the relevance here, Catherine. Care to explain?

Sorry a bit eary before coffee forgot?

The point about Iran is look at the crops in the wheat field not looking good and Russia wheat crop also not looking good.
And with winter 3 mo.s early well 2+2=
China is also having crop problems.
The photos from the downed liner look fake to me more like staged not to say Iran didn’t kill 169 people just that they didn’t go down in a plane.
And we know whos side bho will take the State department has already sided with the killer muslums.
Sorry Blond brai spins a lot.
Catherine

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/5811104/China-bans-public-mourning-in-Urumqi.html
China bans public mourning in Urumqi
The Chinese authorities banned public displays of mourning in the western city of Urumqi on Sunday as they sought to prevent further unrest one week after race riots claimed 184 lives.
Malcolm Moore in Shanghai
12 Jul 2009

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The ban hampered families of the Chinese victims from mourning publicly on the seventh day, in accordance with Chinese tradition. Usually, families visit temples, burn fake money or invite monks to their homes to chant

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Security forces in Urumqi remain deeply concerned about the possibility of further violence, one week after a public protest by Uighur Muslims descended into mass violence and bloodshed. It took three days to restore calm, as mobs of both Uighurs and Han Chinese rampaged through the streets.
The official Xinhua news agency raised the number of injured from the riots to 1,680 yesterday. The government has also clarified that Han Chinese accounted for the majority of the dead.
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Zhou Yongkang, the security minister, toured Xinjiang province yesterday, visiting the restive cities of Kashgar and Hotan. The authorities believe that a large number of the rioters in Urumqi, the provincial capital, migrated from these two poorer cities. “A large part of the criminals in the July 5 rioting were from cities 1,500km away, like Kashgar and Hotan, which shows it was organised and planned in advance,” said Li Zhi, Urumqi’s Communist Party secretary.

[Hotan is where all those earthquakes have been and pretty close to the border of Afghanistan where we are fighting so we should help the Chinese I hate to say to take care of these terrorist.
Maybe these are the f---s who are fighting our guys remember it was wee gurs who bho sent to Burmuda? ]

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@ mynameis I could care less about any muslim being ‘persecuted’ anywhere in the world. They want to convert, subjugate, or kill every last person on earth, including you. Muslims do not deserve sympathy. Muslims are the enemy of non muslims, not because I say so, but because of they are commanded to be in the koran. But dont take my word of it, research it yourself.

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I guess Al Qaeda is slipping – what, no invite to the Chinese to convert to islam before AQ attacks them? isn’t that a violation of islamic tenets?

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yonason,

Yeah, let’s get the CHICOMS ticked off at us, especially when we need them as a creditor for O’Bunglers fiascos, and at a time when they are building their military and we are weakening ours.
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“CHICOMS”?? …..Oh! I thought you were talking about *CHICAGO* COMMUNISTS! Ops.

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Gaffa, for multiple admins, the US policy for Tibetan Buddahists and Xinjiang Muslims has been to encourage China to “talk”. You know, that hip “diplomacy” thing? Altho it can be said the US has made verbal mutterings for Tibetan autonomy, while they have remained silent on Xinjiang. Perhaps the most overt action was Condi Rice helping secure the release of the subject of this post… Ms. Rebiya Kadeer.

Both areas want independence…. but honestly, other than token lip service, Asian Free Radio broadcasts into Xinjiang one hour a day, and Congressional funding of the Uyghur Human Rights Project, the US keeps a hands off approach because of our reliance on Chinese money and trade. That financial dependence is even more true under Obama with his already extraordinary additions to the national debt, and his other plans currently being shoved down our throats.

Notice also that AQ isn’t throwing their weight behind Tibet, just Xinjiang and Muslims. They’d behead the Buddahists with nary a second thought.

The question is, with AQ’s widening their scope to include Chinese citizens, and the bloodbath we can expect after watching AQ’s Iraq warfare, will Obama make any changes in the historic “hands off” policy towards both areas? And if he does, will he only lend aid to Muslim Xinjiang, and vote present on Buddahist Tibet?

If he and the int’l community are forced into action because of AQ genocide that cannot be ignored, we have just cofirmed their violence and “terror” is a successful campaign. They got the west and the world on their side by terrorist acts. That is one dangerous precedent, and this is the different from your analogy of supporting united Ireland without supporting the IRA terror tactics.

INRE the IRA and Britain, we do not have the financial dependency there that we have on China. Therefore rilng up Tony Blair… which Clinton did… was small potatoes with little repercussions. So Clinton made a few phone calls to the Brits encouraging the chat, but it was obvious the US lent support to the Irish cause. In the end, Clinton refused to lean on Sinn Fein and the IRA (the latter being on the list of US recognized terror groups). The Good Friday Agreement left out the all important decommissioning of terrorist arms.

China will not be as pliable with either Uighurs or Tibetans as Britain was with Finn Sein and the IRA. They are no dummies… China is well aware that he who controls the purse strings has the power.

My first instinct is that the big Zero will prefer to do nothing to bite the hand that feeds his “remaking of America”. AQ, however, may give him no choice but to pick a side of the line drawn in the sands.

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Boy! What to do? What to do? Betray my Musilm religion to appease my Communist masters?? Tough one……

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