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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/13/weekly-open-thread-7/#comment-224258</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-224066&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Missy&lt;/a&gt;: 

LOL!  &lt;em&gt;&quot;...14 year old boys bedroom...&quot;&lt;/em&gt;  Yeah, and &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQeoXDBr0uw&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;playing with matches, and fireworks&lt;/A&gt;, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-224066" rel="nofollow">Missy</a>: </p>
<p>LOL!  <em>&#8220;&#8230;14 year old boys bedroom&#8230;&#8221;</em>  Yeah, and <a HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQeoXDBr0uw" rel="nofollow">playing with matches, and fireworks</a>, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-223995&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;yonason&lt;/a&gt;: 

From your link, I can hardly wait!  sarc!

&lt;blockquote&gt;It adds up, according to USA Today, to &lt;strong&gt;“an extra $55,000 a household to cover rising federal commitments made just in the past year&lt;/strong&gt;…” I don’t know about you, but I don’t have $55,000 to spare. The economy has pretty much wrecked any plans I made to earn enough to cover my present expenses.

According to the Investor’s Business Daily, &lt;strong&gt;“American families over the last year already lost 8% of their net worth—in part as a result of inept government meddling, past and present.”&lt;/strong&gt;

The result will be “Near-record deficits increasing at record rates (that)&lt;strong&gt; will push the public debt of the U.S. beyond the economy’s plausible capacity to pay—70% of GDP (Gross Domestic Profit) by 2012, heading quickly to 82% of GDP in 2019 and on pace to be astronomically higher soon thereafter&lt;/strong&gt;.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Someone made a comment on FOX &amp; Friends this morning.  They quoted a Congress critter critiquing the dems in charge, went something like this...... &quot;this all reminds me of a 14 year old boys bedroom, a mess.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@<a href="#comment-223995" rel="nofollow">yonason</a>: </p>
<p>From your link, I can hardly wait!  sarc!</p>
<blockquote><p>It adds up, according to USA Today, to <strong>“an extra $55,000 a household to cover rising federal commitments made just in the past year</strong>…” I don’t know about you, but I don’t have $55,000 to spare. The economy has pretty much wrecked any plans I made to earn enough to cover my present expenses.</p>
<p>According to the Investor’s Business Daily, <strong>“American families over the last year already lost 8% of their net worth—in part as a result of inept government meddling, past and present.”</strong></p>
<p>The result will be “Near-record deficits increasing at record rates (that)<strong> will push the public debt of the U.S. beyond the economy’s plausible capacity to pay—70% of GDP (Gross Domestic Profit) by 2012, heading quickly to 82% of GDP in 2019 and on pace to be astronomically higher soon thereafter</strong>.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Someone made a comment on FOX &amp; Friends this morning.  They quoted a Congress critter critiquing the dems in charge, went something like this&#8230;&#8230; &#8220;this all reminds me of a 14 year old boys bedroom, a mess.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2009/07/borrowing-spending-and-regulating-oh-my.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MINDLESS, HEARTLESS, DESTRUCTIVE - AN INEXORABLE FORCE OF NATURE - DEMOCRATS GONE WILD&lt;/A&gt;

But, hey, that&#039;s just one man&#039;s &quot;opinion.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p><a href="http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2009/07/borrowing-spending-and-regulating-oh-my.html" rel="nofollow">MINDLESS, HEARTLESS, DESTRUCTIVE &#8211; AN INEXORABLE FORCE OF NATURE &#8211; DEMOCRATS GONE WILD</a></p>
<p>But, hey, that&#8217;s just one man&#8217;s &#8220;opinion.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/13/weekly-open-thread-7/#comment-223983</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NOTE - over at Alan Caruba&#039;s excellent website, commentor Rich Kozlovich makes my case for me...

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Alan,

This kind of reminds me of a WWII movie…I think it was Big Red One with Lee Marvin, where they come across an insane asylum and a small battle ensues. People are being killed all over the place and one of the crazies picks up a machine gun and starts killing everyone in sight. Before they take him out he utters, “I am one of you, I am sane.”

When crazies get power people die, whether it is guns or regulations. 

In fact….environmental regulations have killed, and are killing more people than any nut with a gun. 

This isn’t any different.

July 15, 2009 4:07 PM 
http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2009/07/horrid-dr-holdren.html?showComment=1247699269395#c3446064848227774537
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
His comment was addressing the significance of one of O&#039;Blanko&#039;s &quot;moderate&quot; lunatics, Dr. John Holdren.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>NOTE &#8211; over at Alan Caruba&#8217;s excellent website, commentor Rich Kozlovich makes my case for me&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Alan,</p>
<p>This kind of reminds me of a WWII movie…I think it was Big Red One with Lee Marvin, where they come across an insane asylum and a small battle ensues. People are being killed all over the place and one of the crazies picks up a machine gun and starts killing everyone in sight. Before they take him out he utters, “I am one of you, I am sane.”</p>
<p>When crazies get power people die, whether it is guns or regulations. </p>
<p>In fact….environmental regulations have killed, and are killing more people than any nut with a gun. </p>
<p>This isn’t any different.</p>
<p>July 15, 2009 4:07 PM<br />
<a href="http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2009/07/horrid-dr-holdren.html?showComment=1247699269395#c3446064848227774537" rel="nofollow">http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2009/07/horrid-dr-holdren.html?showComment=1247699269395#c3446064848227774537</a>
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<p>His comment was addressing the significance of one of O&#8217;Blanko&#8217;s &#8220;moderate&#8221; lunatics, Dr. John Holdren.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/13/weekly-open-thread-7/#comment-223974</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and one more thing.  Larry accused me of calling him a &quot;liar.&quot;  I didn&#039;t.  I merely implied that he wasn&#039;t being sufficiently &quot;honest.&quot;  

And, no, that is not sophistry.  

Consider a Dr. who misdiagnoses or mistreats a patient.  How does that Dr. explain himself to that patient, or, G-d forbid, to his next of kin?  &lt;em&gt;&quot;I made an &#039;honest&#039; mistake.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;  Of course the Dr didn&#039;t &quot;lie&quot; to the patient when he mislead him, he was just exhibiting gross negligence.  ...which is why I can&#039;t understand why someone who&#039;s supposedly a very careing and careful physician can&#039;t be bothered to be careful when it comes to his political &quot;opinions,&quot; which affect every one of his fellow citizens.

When the negative consequences of the political opinions Larry espouses cause suffering, or worse, (they already are, and it&#039;s going to get a lot worse) will he invoke the GaffaUK defense and say, &lt;em&gt;&quot;I was just &#039;debating&#039;, and besides, it was an &#039;honest&#039; mistake.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;?  

From the Gaffer I don&#039;t expect any better, but from a physician who&#039;s been trained to think responsibly, I do.

So, what I meant was not that Larry is a liar, but that his &quot;honesty&quot; leaves a LOT to be desired.

I can see Larry in Med School...

Exam Question - &lt;em&gt;How does one treat a gunshot to the thigh?&lt;/em&gt;

Larry&#039;s Answer - &lt;em&gt;&quot;Rub his neck with Aloe Vera, and prescribe aspirin.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Hey, his &quot;opinion&quot; is as good as anyone elses, ....right? 

I hope his malpractice insurance is paid up, and that he has LOTS of it.

You know, maybe someone should write to the Doc in the link &quot;Larry&quot; gives and ask him if he&#039;s really the one posting to FA, or if someone has stolen his identity, because there&#039;s a logical disconnect here, and that could explain it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Oh, and one more thing.  Larry accused me of calling him a &#8220;liar.&#8221;  I didn&#8217;t.  I merely implied that he wasn&#8217;t being sufficiently &#8220;honest.&#8221;  </p>
<p>And, no, that is not sophistry.  </p>
<p>Consider a Dr. who misdiagnoses or mistreats a patient.  How does that Dr. explain himself to that patient, or, G-d forbid, to his next of kin?  <em>&#8220;I made an &#8216;honest&#8217; mistake.&#8221;</em>  Of course the Dr didn&#8217;t &#8220;lie&#8221; to the patient when he mislead him, he was just exhibiting gross negligence.  &#8230;which is why I can&#8217;t understand why someone who&#8217;s supposedly a very careing and careful physician can&#8217;t be bothered to be careful when it comes to his political &#8220;opinions,&#8221; which affect every one of his fellow citizens.</p>
<p>When the negative consequences of the political opinions Larry espouses cause suffering, or worse, (they already are, and it&#8217;s going to get a lot worse) will he invoke the GaffaUK defense and say, <em>&#8220;I was just &#8216;debating&#8217;, and besides, it was an &#8216;honest&#8217; mistake.&#8221;</em>?  </p>
<p>From the Gaffer I don&#8217;t expect any better, but from a physician who&#8217;s been trained to think responsibly, I do.</p>
<p>So, what I meant was not that Larry is a liar, but that his &#8220;honesty&#8221; leaves a LOT to be desired.</p>
<p>I can see Larry in Med School&#8230;</p>
<p>Exam Question &#8211; <em>How does one treat a gunshot to the thigh?</em></p>
<p>Larry&#8217;s Answer &#8211; <em>&#8220;Rub his neck with Aloe Vera, and prescribe aspirin.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Hey, his &#8220;opinion&#8221; is as good as anyone elses, &#8230;.right? </p>
<p>I hope his malpractice insurance is paid up, and that he has LOTS of it.</p>
<p>You know, maybe someone should write to the Doc in the link &#8220;Larry&#8221; gives and ask him if he&#8217;s really the one posting to FA, or if someone has stolen his identity, because there&#8217;s a logical disconnect here, and that could explain it.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-223894&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pdill&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;em&gt;&quot;...lighted streets will facilitate more evening walking,...&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

...street ligts powered by..... all that smoke and mirrors in Washington?  We aren&#039;t building new generators, and the ones we have won&#039;t be allowed to run on real fuel, and we won&#039;t have enough energy to cool (or heat) our homes, but we&#039;ll have plenty of energy to burn in order to light up the night when most normal working people are sleeping so they can.... oh, right, they won&#039;t be working under O&#039;Blunder, so they won&#039;t need to worry about staying up late. My bad.</description>
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<p><em>&#8220;&#8230;lighted streets will facilitate more evening walking,&#8230;&#8221;</em></p>
<p>&#8230;street ligts powered by&#8230;.. all that smoke and mirrors in Washington?  We aren&#8217;t building new generators, and the ones we have won&#8217;t be allowed to run on real fuel, and we won&#8217;t have enough energy to cool (or heat) our homes, but we&#8217;ll have plenty of energy to burn in order to light up the night when most normal working people are sleeping so they can&#8230;. oh, right, they won&#8217;t be working under O&#8217;Blunder, so they won&#8217;t need to worry about staying up late. My bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Aqua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aqua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 02:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ &lt;a&gt;Larry&lt;/a&gt;
Larry, like Aye, I&#039;ve posted a couple of times on leftie blogs. HuffPo and Talking Points. I was removed from the thread at HuffPo and Talking Points. Seems the left would rather not have anyone contradict their opinions. 

I&#039;d like to point one more thing out about academia and liberals. It is my opinion and I openly admit it is my opinion, that most people that work and produce are actually conservative. Academics would rather sit around and tell those of us that do produce why we&#039;re destroying the world and how we could do things better. We see this being brought to light by the Obama admin right now. Just look at how things are going at GM. It&#039;s easy to sit back and tell a company all the evils they are responsible for. Now that Obama has to run the place, his theories aren&#039;t working out very well for him. 
Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@ <a>Larry</a><br />
Larry, like Aye, I&#8217;ve posted a couple of times on leftie blogs. HuffPo and Talking Points. I was removed from the thread at HuffPo and Talking Points. Seems the left would rather not have anyone contradict their opinions. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to point one more thing out about academia and liberals. It is my opinion and I openly admit it is my opinion, that most people that work and produce are actually conservative. Academics would rather sit around and tell those of us that do produce why we&#8217;re destroying the world and how we could do things better. We see this being brought to light by the Obama admin right now. Just look at how things are going at GM. It&#8217;s easy to sit back and tell a company all the evils they are responsible for. Now that Obama has to run the place, his theories aren&#8217;t working out very well for him.<br />
Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Hard Right</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/13/weekly-open-thread-7/#comment-223920</link>
		<dc:creator>Hard Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn. Spam monster got me. I&#039;m off to sacrifice a can of SPAM to see if that placates the thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Damn. Spam monster got me. I&#8217;m off to sacrifice a can of SPAM to see if that placates the thing.</p>
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		<title>By: pdill</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/13/weekly-open-thread-7/#comment-223894</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa!!!   Hey don’t think for a minute I’m defending Larry’s position (s).  Once in a blue moon, while we might have a slight partial agreement on an issue, for the most part, I hold his and most liberal positions to be extremely dangerous.

Hard Right, I too a few weeks ago reminded Larry that he was wrong about the “center government.”   I assumed it was a “given.”  Does he need to make a formal FA mea copa?  Just asking.

Aye that czar thing (which totally freaks me out), is even worse.  Last count was up to THIRTY TWO!  Do you know that these “czars” make an average of $170,000 with scores of staffers, costing us millions for what equates to nothing more than “Obama bullies?”

What I do think would be helpful from Larry would be to give his expert opinion of the healthcare bill (an updated option).   I wonder Larry if you realize that all of the FOCA stuff that got put on hold, as expected, as all things Obama go in through the back door, is now in the “healthcare reform.”  

Is everyone aware that this bill includes everything from mandated funded abortion, the OVERRIDING OF STATE RIGHTS  IN SOME CASES, copious new abortion centers, to “street lights” (the sage thinking is, (are you ready?), lighted streets will facilitate more evening walking, consequently, a more “fit” America.  And to go behind that door, there is also funding for “Farmers Market” in the plan.

We are in SOOOOO much trouble if healthcare and Cap and Trade Pass.  
So yes, I do think Larry it would be nice if you would address the “stealth” abortion and pork issues in the health bill.  

For the record, I predicted last summer, before Obama was even elected, that if elected, we would go immediately into socialism with the GOAL to bankrupt America.  It&#039;s all out of the Alinsky playbook, along with &quot;create so much going on (i.e, huge bills that no one even reads), that IN THE CONFUSION, it all gets passed before we know what hit us. 

I personally think we should take to the streets NOW.  After healthcare passes, it&#039;s too late.


Forms are at the bottom of this link re: the stealth abortion proposals

http://www.capwiz.com/nrlc/issues/alert/?alertid=13157881&amp;type=CO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Whoa!!!   Hey don’t think for a minute I’m defending Larry’s position (s).  Once in a blue moon, while we might have a slight partial agreement on an issue, for the most part, I hold his and most liberal positions to be extremely dangerous.</p>
<p>Hard Right, I too a few weeks ago reminded Larry that he was wrong about the “center government.”   I assumed it was a “given.”  Does he need to make a formal FA mea copa?  Just asking.</p>
<p>Aye that czar thing (which totally freaks me out), is even worse.  Last count was up to THIRTY TWO!  Do you know that these “czars” make an average of $170,000 with scores of staffers, costing us millions for what equates to nothing more than “Obama bullies?”</p>
<p>What I do think would be helpful from Larry would be to give his expert opinion of the healthcare bill (an updated option).   I wonder Larry if you realize that all of the FOCA stuff that got put on hold, as expected, as all things Obama go in through the back door, is now in the “healthcare reform.”  </p>
<p>Is everyone aware that this bill includes everything from mandated funded abortion, the OVERRIDING OF STATE RIGHTS  IN SOME CASES, copious new abortion centers, to “street lights” (the sage thinking is, (are you ready?), lighted streets will facilitate more evening walking, consequently, a more “fit” America.  And to go behind that door, there is also funding for “Farmers Market” in the plan.</p>
<p>We are in SOOOOO much trouble if healthcare and Cap and Trade Pass.<br />
So yes, I do think Larry it would be nice if you would address the “stealth” abortion and pork issues in the health bill.  </p>
<p>For the record, I predicted last summer, before Obama was even elected, that if elected, we would go immediately into socialism with the GOAL to bankrupt America.  It&#8217;s all out of the Alinsky playbook, along with &#8220;create so much going on (i.e, huge bills that no one even reads), that IN THE CONFUSION, it all gets passed before we know what hit us. </p>
<p>I personally think we should take to the streets NOW.  After healthcare passes, it&#8217;s too late.</p>
<p>Forms are at the bottom of this link re: the stealth abortion proposals</p>
<p><a href="http://www.capwiz.com/nrlc/issues/alert/?alertid=13157881&#038;type=CO" rel="nofollow">http://www.capwiz.com/nrlc/issues/alert/?alertid=13157881&#038;type=CO</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hard Right</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/07/13/weekly-open-thread-7/#comment-223889</link>
		<dc:creator>Hard Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You nailed it Aye. 
While I had gradually grown to only dislike his opinions, that is no longer the case. He is just a typical liberal. 

The only decent liberal leaner we have on this site IMHO is Cary. While I don&#039;t agree with about half of what she says, I can at least respect her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>You nailed it Aye.<br />
While I had gradually grown to only dislike his opinions, that is no longer the case. He is just a typical liberal. </p>
<p>The only decent liberal leaner we have on this site IMHO is Cary. While I don&#8217;t agree with about half of what she says, I can at least respect her.</p>
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