Hi to all you “Mooseburgers”

The president Obama’s polls are starting to go down – see reference listed below.

The will continue to go down, down and down. Why? Becuase everyone will realized the “The Messiah, The One and the lord Barack Hussein Obama” is just a Teleprompter – reading what someone tells him to do.

Who’s the real Obama?

Obama sat in the same church pew for 20-years listening to Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Trinity United Church of Christ! How can anyone defend the indefensible!

Video – BARACK OBAMA Pastor ANTI-AMERICAN Rev Jeremiah Wright Racism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwQWuQVE6sw

Video – More Divisive Hate Speech at Barack Obama’s Church
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eotAHXQ0-Ck&feature=fvw

Do you remember Obama’s position on “Infanticide”?

Video – Obama And Infanticide – Part 1 – 45 Minutes / Documentary Video / Why Was There The Need For The Born Alive Infants Protection Act?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6heVhZfVwR8

Obama is Absent and he will remain Absent on “People Power”. Why? Because this issue does not fit his agenda! What ever or whom ever he disagrees with – then, Obama flips them the “Bird”. Just like he gave the magic finger to John McCain and Hillary Clinton during the election process.

Remember “The Three Monkeys” whenever “The Messiah, The One and the lord Barack Hussein Obama” speaks. Obama will continue to “See No Evil, Hear No Evil, and Speak No Evil”.

Question: Can anyone of you “Mooseburgers” provide me with a reference to Obama’s real Birth Certificate or a reference to Obama’s Medical Records?

The following are news articles about Obama’s position – “See No Evil, Hear No Evil, and Speak No Evil”.

GOP calls Obama timid as he seeks footing on Iran
June 21, 2009

WASHINGTON (AP) – President Barack Obama stuck to his carefully tailored response to Iran’s internal crisis Sunday despite pressure from Republican critics, as he continued to speak up for protesters’ rights without making specific demands on Iran’s hard-line leaders.

For the complete article go to > http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090621/D98VCGNG0.html

Resolutely Irresolute – Obama dithers while Tehran burns.
Weekly Standard
June 29, 2009

The events of the past week in Iran, following the June 12 presidential election there, have been remarkable and hopeful. It’s been a moment when one would like a president of the United States–who has, in such moments, a supporting but not an inconsequential role–to rise to the occasion. Barack Obama hasn’t. We are therefore put in the position of hoping that the words of an American president are being mostly ignored, that his weakness won’t matter, and that the forces of reform or revolution will be able to prevail–as they may–with the support of many in America, if not the president.

For the complete article go to > http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/652qvgrz.asp

“This Is the Moment”?
June 20th, 2009 4:10 pm

Let Me Count the Ways Why Obama Should at Last Speak Out ( —I write this at around noon on Saturday, and suspect the pressure of public outrage will soon get to Obama, and he soon will recant and start sounding Reaganesque)

For the complete article go to > http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/this-is-the-moment/

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Sunday, June 21, 2009

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 32% of the nation’s voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President.

Thirty-four percent (34%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -2. That’s the President’s lowest rating to date and the first time the Presidential Approval Index has fallen below zero for Obama (see trends).

Sixty percent (60%) of Democrats Strongly Approve of the President’s performance but only 8% of Republicans share that view. Sixty-one percent (61%) of Republicans Strongly Disapprove.
Check out our weekly review of key polls to see “What They Told Us.”

For the complete article go to > http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

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@mooseburger: I’m not “ducking” anything here Mossy… QUACK! QUACK!

I simply refuse to play your game.

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MIKE SAID: “Sorry, but your entire comment is irrelevant to the topic under discussion. I have no desire to be your enabler here in your effort to derail the conversation.

Do you think it is possible for you to stay on topic?”

Sure, I can do that Mike. I wasn’t trying to derail anything, only respond to your comments.

Could your concern for staying on topic be how you intend to dodge the question about the Republicans and their Quacking Liberal turncoat behavior toward Bush during the Campaign? I noticed you have no response to that, so you are conceding that point I take it? If you would rather discuss it off group and not derail the topic here feel free to email me.

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@mooseburger: “Mike, nobody hated George Bush for 8 years “????

Comedy Night?

What planet do you live on Mossy?

Quack! Quack! Quack!

Sorry, but your entire comment is irrelevant to the topic under discussion. I have no desire to be your enabler here in your effort to derail the conversation.

Do you think it is possible for you to stay on topic?

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Mike, nobody hated George Bush for 8 years, he clearly had the support of the whole country after 911. I know I was proud of him and supported his efforts, until the run up to the Iraq war. He squandered his good will the country had for him, and the election results are the proof.

You have a tendency to attack the messenger personally while you engage in your rebuttals, next you will put my photo and Willie Horton up on the same page….your wrong Mike, and it rings hollow. If you want to make it personal, that’s on you, some folks get past Junior High School social tactics and some don’t.

You didn’t address the fact that the whole Republican Party campaign for the Presidency was rooted in distancing themselves from George W. They Quack, Quack, Quack very loudly too, in their rejection of Bush and his direction for the Country. They turned their back on him just like the majority of the country did. If Bush and his policies were a winner, they would have been riding that Horse to Victory, instead, they sent that Horse to the glue factory themselves.

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@mooseburger said “Don’t throw me into the pile of “You Folks” and “You People”

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck IT’S A DUCK!

As for “Thank you Mike, for at least admitting that your opposition to everything Obama is rooted in retribution. ”

Nothing could be further from the truth and only a quacking liberal like yourself could even seriously suggest such a fiction.

I have only ONE MOTIVATION, and that is to get the right policy enacted. Everything Obama is doing is wrong on so many levels.

The fact that I can throw the hate YOU PEOPLE leveled on George Bush for EIGHT YEARS back in your face is just a bonus.

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Mike, my friend, I think in your zeal to defend all things Conservative and decry all things Liberal, you may have overlooked the fact that I said, and believe that this conduct is wrong from either side. I try to leave room for the fact that these are my opinions and beliefs, and if I am found to be wrong at some point, I hope I will have the capacity to see it, admit it and learn something from it. Maybe this means having the capacity to realize that something that occurs that is not a good thing can and does become something that turns out good, perhaps due to good fortune, luck, or the Hand of God.

A few times I have posted here and been sternly chastised for painting all Conservatives as being from the exact same cloth. I had chosen the words “some folks” at the time, but that was twisted into me condemning all Conservatives. Mike, your words:

“Funny how you folks fought Bush every step of the way, even tried your best to force us to lose and withdraw in Iraq because you hated Bush so much. You poisoned the well of political discourse and now it’s your turn in the White House and you complain about how the water tastes.\

You folks are only reaping what you have sown and you don’t like it.

Well tough. Too bad. It’s your fault. Don’t come pointing fingers at conservatives.

As for trashing Obama at every opportunity we can only look at the successful model you people left us from the last eight years.”

#1: Don’t throw me into the pile of “You Folks” and “You People” Mike. I know right from wrong, there is both right and wrong from Conservatives and Liberals, my job as a citizen is to be informed, get involved and vote for the best course of action and direction of my Local, County, State, and Federal Government as I see it. That normally means I vote a split ticket.

If you need to lump all who you don’t agree with into a big pile of “You People” who began the era of extreem partisanship and uncival discourse in 2000, so you can justify why you are promoting the same behaviour amongst many conservatives now, don’t throw me into that pile, you really don’t know enough about me to warrant that, and your sensitivity to my post shows that it must have stung a bit.

#2 You said: “As for trashing Obama at every opportunity we can only look at the successful model you people left us from the last eight years.”

Thank you Mike, for at least admitting that your opposition to everything Obama is rooted in retribution. I applaud your refreshing honesty, and gives me added insight into your reasoning. You said “it’s your fault” and “You folks are only reaping what you have sown”

You are perhaps one of whom I was referring to in my earlier post when I stated: “This is because of the same bias they despise in others is present in themselves”

As I said, “Most of the REAL WORLD in America doesn’t live there.”
This is why the Country embraced the change we did. And if we decide we don’t like this change, we will change it again. Not for the good of any Zealot Liberal or Conservative Party, but for the good of our Country and the good of our Children.

Mike, those who don’t agree with you on every issue right now, it doesn’t mean there won’t be agreement in the future, or that in times past there was not agreement in the common cause. But I can say this without fear of being too far off base, the “successful mode you people left us from the last eight years.” you speak of also included what solutions were being offered as well as the criticisms, and also involved some agreement with current policies. Bush got his tax cuts and funding for the war, and many of the things he wanted. Bush could not have had more support from America and the World at one juncture of his Presidency. It was his to use wisely or blow, and not just me Mike, but the majority of voters and Bush’s own party turned away from him. Just remember to throw in the Republican Party into the pile of “you People” that turned their backs and rendered the verdict on Mr. George W. Bush.

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@mooseburger: citing Pat Buchanan’s piece is a sure sign you have chosen to ignore the call for human rights and freedom and sided with the bloody Iranian theocracy.

And as for “we tried it W’s way, and it didn’t bring change about, only defiance ” You are ignoring the foundation for this very happening in Iran which President Bush carefully laid over eight years in Iraq and Lebanon and in Iran itself.

Funny how you folks fought Bush every step of the way, even tried your best to force us to lose and withdraw in Iraq because you hated Bush so much. You poisoned the well of political discourse and now it’s your turn in the White House and you complain about how the water tastes.\

You folks are only reaping what you have sown and you don’t like it.

Well tough. Too bad. It’s your fault. Don’t come pointing fingers at conservatives.

As for trashing Obama at every opportunity we can only look at the successful model you people left us from the last eight years.

It makes me laugh when one of you comes around and waves the flag saying something like “we’re all Americans, let’s unite behind Obama.” Get real. The man is an aberration in office and a mistake that will soon be corrected.

Meanwhile, the entire world is seeing what an empty suit he is at this critical time. No one expects him to launch an invasion of Iran or arm the protesters. Neither do we expect him to be so lame as to make Jimmy Carter seem strong and resolute by comparison.

You can keep spouting all you want, but it’s nothing but empty rhetoric which has been exposed for what it is.

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Hi Jim
Jim Said:
“The Messiah, The One and the lord Barack Hussein Obama” will remain Absent – “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” is the Obama’s New Foreign Policy!

Obama is in charge of America’s foriegn policy that is for a certainty. It is sad to have witnessed the discrediting and decline of a once proud Conservative movement turn into weak, sniveling fingerpointing group even before Inaguration Day. It is sad to see so many who are against so much, and for so little, offering no solutions except more tax cuts. There is not one single issue that I have heard Conservative folks agree with Obama on yet. There is no common ground left to be found. The partisanship of some trumps their patriotism, that goes for both side of the isle. The “Good of the Country” theme so strongly used in criticism of Liberals for the last 8 years has quickly been tossed and is now and will remain “Absent” as well from many Conservatives. It doesn’t suit their purpose anymore, not until they are back in power. Liberals have abandoned their previous stance too, the polarities have shifted 180 degrees.

There are some who seem so invested in Obama’s failure that their perceptions are skewed by their desire so see him fail, and for every single thing he says or does to be anti American. This is because of the same bias they despise in others is present in themselves, just on an opposite polarity. Liberal bias and Conservative bias are the Ying and Yang of the polarized spectrum. Most of the REAL WORLD in America doesn’t live there.

I didn’t vote for Bush, but do have some good things to say about him, and have here at FA on more than one occaision. Most people don’t see the all bad/everything bad Obama that some here see.

Bush had his chance to get things done, it’s Obama’s turn. Healthy and pointed critcizims are good and always part of out Democratic process. To be invested in and actively promote the failure of our government and foriegn policy is no more right now than it was when Liberals were doing it to Bush. Dick Lugar gives Obama an “A” on foriegn policy, including the current response to the Iran election. Obama is not stupid, and he knows what he is doing, and may well and probably is working behind the scene in ways we don’t know. Let’s hope and pray that a good change comes about in Iran and not push for war and conflict unless absolutely required.

Do you really think that if the President gets up and gives a speech about hoping for and backing that the protesters in Iran should overthrow their government that it would not be used as a Bogeyman to tie the protesters directly to American interests and the 1953 regime change we did? 1953 is not forgotten in Iran, no more than the Revolutionary war has been forgotten here. That will hurt and undermine the protesters efforts, certainly it won’t be helpful. We are in no position to invade Iran and help them. This would be no different than conservatives calling Obama a terrorist sympathizer, which they have done and still do, as well as anything else they think might stick to the wall. It used to be an effective tactic in years gone by, and Atwater and Rove rode that horse until it died. Willie Horton scared the crap outa folks….But like a broken record, it is not listened to anymore from Conservatives here in the US except amongst their own and has lost it’s credibility in the mainstream, and sacrificed the Conservatives credibility as well. That is about the only consistant theme Conservatives have been able to muster, and it is worn out and not effective.

In Iran, it may still be an effective scare tactic to sway the masses with and it would not be wise to promote that angle.

It’s about being smart in your approach to Iran right now, we tried it W’s way, and it didn’t bring change about, only defiance. Would some prefer war to solve the problems in Iran? All the real God loving Conservative Christians should practice their faith, pray that our leaders are doing what is right, and ask for our Creator to bless our Country’s leadership. That’s a heavy load for angst filled liberals when Bush was in office, and for Conservatives now, but this would be what Jesus would want to have you do, would it not? If this is the principled Christian stance Conservatives use to get elected, why do they hid their fire under a bushel after they are elected? Jesus said, “you shall know them by their fruits” If politics trumps your faith, then your faith is bearing bad fruit, not good, and the truth is not in you. Can you privately pray for your enemies as Jesus taught and publicly and relentlessly scumbag them, not as a matter of policy disagreement, but in a personal way and reconcile that with your faith?

If you are Pro Life Conservatives, ( and BTW, I am also Pro Life on the abortion issue, so no lectures to me about that please) it seems you would also be Pro Life when it comes to War and wanting to do what ever is possible to avoid it, not defend a war of choice or push for further loss of life that is not 100% unavoidable. You would only invoke it when the defense of our Country is at stake, not for use as diplomatic resolutions and to promote Democracy or enforce sanctions from a UN body that Conservatives continually hold in contempt anyway.

If there be bloodshed in Iran, let it be for the cause of their choice for freedom, not for another Bay of Pigs we promote and promise, and leave them poor bastar** hanging out to dry. Embracing and encouraging them at the early stages would have been the kiss of death to their movement, and the excuse desired by the existing powers to delegitimize and crush the movement before it ever got legs under it.

Even Bush had enough sense to say, when he endorsed McCain, (my paraphrase) that if he wants me to campaign for him, I will, if he wants me not to, that’s ok too, however I can help him. Was Bush absent from his Values because he didn’t go out and campaign with McCain, speak out everyday on his behalf? Or did Bush understand the best strategy to actually help and not hurt McCain was to lay low and let McCain work his own campaign distancing himself from Bush as far as possible? Why did the whole Republican Party abandon Bush? Were they cowards abandoning their principles like some say Obama is now regarding Iran? Or was it simply the best strategy available?

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Hi Mooseburger,

Pat Buchanan might be right?

A better read on this subject is from Amir Taheri.

June 20, 2009
DEEPENING DIVISIONS
CRACKDOWN MAY START TODAY

BILLED as “unity prayers,” yesterday’s congregation at Tehran University’s campus instead highlighted the deep divisions that are tearing apart the Khomeinist ruling elite.

For the complete article go to > http://www.nypost.com/seven/06202009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/deepening_divisions_175116.htm

What’s the position of U.S. State Department? What about Obama’s Foreign Policy Brain Trust? What about the United Nations?

The Green Movement will not go away! It is all about Freedom!

“The Messiah, The One and the lord Barack Hussein Obama” will remain Absent – “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” is the Obama’s New Foreign Policy!

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