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		<title>By: James Raider</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/05/22/detroit-icons-ending-more-than-an-era-reader-post/#comment-204979</link>
		<dc:creator>James Raider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 17:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ditto,

Apologies on the incorrect &#039;36 C30  attribution. Still, keep us posted with pics.  The process is as important as the end result.  Thanks. 

And, &quot;ditto&quot; on the Edsel, particularly the 2 door  &#039;58 Citation.  Who couldn&#039;t love that front end, seeming so ugly it was beautiful.  Pressing those &quot;teletouch&quot; gear shifting buttons in the center of the steering wheel was freaky, especially while under way and in a turn.  But the best element was the long back deck. Ford should have prevailed with the technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@ ditto,</p>
<p>Apologies on the incorrect &#8217;36 C30  attribution. Still, keep us posted with pics.  The process is as important as the end result.  Thanks. </p>
<p>And, &#8220;ditto&#8221; on the Edsel, particularly the 2 door  &#8217;58 Citation.  Who couldn&#8217;t love that front end, seeming so ugly it was beautiful.  Pressing those &#8220;teletouch&#8221; gear shifting buttons in the center of the steering wheel was freaky, especially while under way and in a turn.  But the best element was the long back deck. Ford should have prevailed with the technology.</p>
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		<title>By: ditto</title>
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		<dc:creator>ditto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 08:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ James Raider

&quot;I think it’s just left overs from a past love affair will Oldsmobile...&quot; 

Understandable.  When you&#039;re young and finally get a smoking ride, you never forget it.  I&#039;m a classic vehicle fan myself, and there are very few made prior to 1973 that I don&#039;t like. I tend to be more judgmental about anything made after that. (Hell, I even liked the Edsel. I never thought it really deserved it&#039;s reputation.) 


As Curt said, the 1936 IH C-30 is mine. It actually starts right up and run&#039;s pretty good/strong. I&#039;ve driven around town a few times and found out it has a top speed of about 40-45mph (the trade-off being that it has enough tourque to pull stumps out of the ground).  It has hydraulic brakes which work better than those on some much newer cars I&#039;ve driven. It is a bear to steer at anything slower than 5 mph.

I have a little work to do on it before I take it out on the road again. Currently, I&#039;m getting ready to pull the fuel tank to clean out while I replace a seeping brass fuel line connector and fix the fuel level sending unit. I also need to find a shop that will put a new bushing in the water pump which has just started to weep. After that I have to replace the wiring harness (Someone partially converted it from 6-volt to 12 volt, but they neglected to upgrade the voltage regulator, coil and wiring.) I&#039;ll also pull the radiator to have the passages rodded out, (not because of overheating, but simply as preventative maintenance).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@ James Raider</p>
<p>&#8220;I think it’s just left overs from a past love affair will Oldsmobile&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>Understandable.  When you&#8217;re young and finally get a smoking ride, you never forget it.  I&#8217;m a classic vehicle fan myself, and there are very few made prior to 1973 that I don&#8217;t like. I tend to be more judgmental about anything made after that. (Hell, I even liked the Edsel. I never thought it really deserved it&#8217;s reputation.) </p>
<p>As Curt said, the 1936 IH C-30 is mine. It actually starts right up and run&#8217;s pretty good/strong. I&#8217;ve driven around town a few times and found out it has a top speed of about 40-45mph (the trade-off being that it has enough tourque to pull stumps out of the ground).  It has hydraulic brakes which work better than those on some much newer cars I&#8217;ve driven. It is a bear to steer at anything slower than 5 mph.</p>
<p>I have a little work to do on it before I take it out on the road again. Currently, I&#8217;m getting ready to pull the fuel tank to clean out while I replace a seeping brass fuel line connector and fix the fuel level sending unit. I also need to find a shop that will put a new bushing in the water pump which has just started to weep. After that I have to replace the wiring harness (Someone partially converted it from 6-volt to 12 volt, but they neglected to upgrade the voltage regulator, coil and wiring.) I&#8217;ll also pull the radiator to have the passages rodded out, (not because of overheating, but simply as preventative maintenance).</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 01:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was it the silver with red interior and stripe?  If so thats super rare.  Lots of silver and black tho.  I did much of the fuel system myself and other bits and parts but had professionals do most of it.</description>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 00:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curt,

It&#039;s great fun to look at the pics of your car.

My Dad and Mom bought one exactly like that when Dad returned from Vietnam.

Same year.  Same model.  Same color.

That Charger was his very first new car.  He loved it.

In my photo album I have pics of me when I was two or three sitting under the steering wheel of that car.

Did you do the restoration stuff yourself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Curt,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s great fun to look at the pics of your car.</p>
<p>My Dad and Mom bought one exactly like that when Dad returned from Vietnam.</p>
<p>Same year.  Same model.  Same color.</p>
<p>That Charger was his very first new car.  He loved it.</p>
<p>In my photo album I have pics of me when I was two or three sitting under the steering wheel of that car.</p>
<p>Did you do the restoration stuff yourself?</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 00:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto has the 36 I believe</description>
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		<title>By: James Raider</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Raider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 00:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Curt,

Keep us posted on the &#039;36 C30.  What a rarity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@ Curt,</p>
<p>Keep us posted on the &#8217;36 C30.  What a rarity.</p>
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		<title>By: James Raider</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Raider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 23:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ditto,

I think it&#039;s just left overs from a past love affair will Oldsmobile - 442s and Toronados.  :-)

There were great challenges from the likes of Curt&#039;s Charger and its  brothers tweaked with 426 Hemis.

My favorite sleeper was the big barely-bored-out-shaved-heads-blueprinted-455 Toro, cooking big low pressured Michelins with smoke poring out of the front wheel wells, rising up and over the center of the long hood, then blocking the view through the center half of the front windshield, before flowing over the center of the roof and down the back deck.   ..... Stupidity incarnate, maybe, particularly in today&#039;s climate, but what the hell do you know when you&#039;re young? &quot;Wisdom&quot; wasn&#039;t part of the vocabulary.  But what a thrill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>@ Ditto,</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s just left overs from a past love affair will Oldsmobile &#8211; 442s and Toronados.  <img src='http://floppingaces.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There were great challenges from the likes of Curt&#8217;s Charger and its  brothers tweaked with 426 Hemis.</p>
<p>My favorite sleeper was the big barely-bored-out-shaved-heads-blueprinted-455 Toro, cooking big low pressured Michelins with smoke poring out of the front wheel wells, rising up and over the center of the long hood, then blocking the view through the center half of the front windshield, before flowing over the center of the roof and down the back deck.   &#8230;.. Stupidity incarnate, maybe, particularly in today&#8217;s climate, but what the hell do you know when you&#8217;re young? &#8220;Wisdom&#8221; wasn&#8217;t part of the vocabulary.  But what a thrill.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 23:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, thats the original color combo...one of the reasons I brought it and restored it.  Rare color combo.</description>
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		<title>By: ditto</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 23:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ James Raider

Your post posed the question &quot;...was there anything move ominous on the road than the ‘70 442 W30 with those long striped double air scoops?...”  

I simply other vehicles that (to me) were more ominous than the 442.  You didn&#039;t say anything about production numbers, else I would have listed the 442&#039;s more numerous and widely available (but also ominous,)  contemporary production muscle car competitors.    

@ Curt 

My brother and I also owned an awesome &#039;69 Carger RT, equipped with 440cid, positraction in Mopar Orange. It was wicked. Unfortunately a hit-and-run driver T-boned it in a parking lot, totaling it. It looked exactly like this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dodge_Charger_R-T_(Gibeau_Orange_Julep).JPG

Before that we owned a &#039;64 Pontiac Tempest 326 very much like this one: http://www.oldcaronline.com/picture.php?ad_id=50464&amp;pnr=JSCOTTIREP106_3.jpg
http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/pontiac/tempest/467470.html

Before I went into the military I purchased a 1955 Olds 88 very much like this (except in light-blue instead of turquoise:
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2533875
Sadly, my grandfather sold it while I was overseas.

This is my current restoration project, a 98% original 1936 International Harvester C-30 1-1/2 ton, original flathead 6-cyl.  I&#039;m not going to let this one out of my hands:
http://www.oldihc.org/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=500&amp;ppuser=1326</description>
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<p>Your post posed the question &#8220;&#8230;was there anything move ominous on the road than the ‘70 442 W30 with those long striped double air scoops?&#8230;”  </p>
<p>I simply other vehicles that (to me) were more ominous than the 442.  You didn&#8217;t say anything about production numbers, else I would have listed the 442&#8242;s more numerous and widely available (but also ominous,)  contemporary production muscle car competitors.    </p>
<p>@ Curt </p>
<p>My brother and I also owned an awesome &#8217;69 Carger RT, equipped with 440cid, positraction in Mopar Orange. It was wicked. Unfortunately a hit-and-run driver T-boned it in a parking lot, totaling it. It looked exactly like this one:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dodge_Charger_R-T_(Gibeau_Orange_Julep).JPG" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dodge_Charger_R-T_(Gibeau_Orange_Julep).JPG</a></p>
<p>Before that we owned a &#8217;64 Pontiac Tempest 326 very much like this one: <a href="http://www.oldcaronline.com/picture.php?ad_id=50464&#038;pnr=JSCOTTIREP106_3.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.oldcaronline.com/picture.php?ad_id=50464&#038;pnr=JSCOTTIREP106_3.jpg</a><br />
<a href="http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/pontiac/tempest/467470.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/pontiac/tempest/467470.html</a></p>
<p>Before I went into the military I purchased a 1955 Olds 88 very much like this (except in light-blue instead of turquoise:<br />
<a href="http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2533875" rel="nofollow">http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2533875</a><br />
Sadly, my grandfather sold it while I was overseas.</p>
<p>This is my current restoration project, a 98% original 1936 International Harvester C-30 1-1/2 ton, original flathead 6-cyl.  I&#8217;m not going to let this one out of my hands:<br />
<a href="http://www.oldihc.org/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=500&#038;ppuser=1326" rel="nofollow">http://www.oldihc.org/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=500&#038;ppuser=1326</a></p>
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		<description>@ Curt,

Beautiful piece of work, and classic lines. What you did on the body is amazing.  Love the color.  Had many races against its cousins.  Another great icon dreams were made of.  Thanks.</description>
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<p>Beautiful piece of work, and classic lines. What you did on the body is amazing.  Love the color.  Had many races against its cousins.  Another great icon dreams were made of.  Thanks.</p>
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