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		<title>By: ditto</title>
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		<dc:creator>ditto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 07:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t this the same type of law enforcement program that the Nazi&#039;s used against the Jews and Gypsies?</description>
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		<title>By: Bear Creek Ledger &#187; Obama talks about &#8216;Preventive Detention&#8217; System</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bear Creek Ledger &#187; Obama talks about &#8216;Preventive Detention&#8217; System</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 21:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: james straub</title>
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		<dc:creator>james straub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 18:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so my boy scout troop will be preventively detained for exercising our our former Constitutional rights?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>so my boy scout troop will be preventively detained for exercising our our former Constitutional rights?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Word, we&#039;ve been saying that here at FA for over a year now.

And Old Trooper...while I can totally see the merit and value in either an outbreak of 7.62mm cerebral hemorrhages OR 9mm, or whatever....I still think a new prison built just for the GWOT (&quot;overseas combat operations&quot; to those on the left).  Put it up on the most northern piece of American territory in Alaska.  No sun for 6months, no cool Caribbean breeze during outside time, and popsicles won&#039;t be treats anymore.  No cable TV, no tv, no satellite, no books, nothing.  Just a cell and and 45min walkaround time in an empty room w flickering flourescent lights ala Joe vs The Volcanoe.  Expensive, yes, worth the media&#039;s time to report on?  Nope.  Sadistic?  In the worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Word, we&#8217;ve been saying that here at FA for over a year now.</p>
<p>And Old Trooper&#8230;while I can totally see the merit and value in either an outbreak of 7.62mm cerebral hemorrhages OR 9mm, or whatever&#8230;.I still think a new prison built just for the GWOT (&#8220;overseas combat operations&#8221; to those on the left).  Put it up on the most northern piece of American territory in Alaska.  No sun for 6months, no cool Caribbean breeze during outside time, and popsicles won&#8217;t be treats anymore.  No cable TV, no tv, no satellite, no books, nothing.  Just a cell and and 45min walkaround time in an empty room w flickering flourescent lights ala Joe vs The Volcanoe.  Expensive, yes, worth the media&#8217;s time to report on?  Nope.  Sadistic?  In the worst.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Trooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Trooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simple Solution. Military Tribunals held, Due Process and 7.62 x 51mm justice served up at dawn on Memorial Day.

Done deal...no further debate or hand wringing. A fate determined and a lesson for Jihadis...
no Media coverage just Justice done and GITMO closed, unless Pelosi wants to get a tan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Simple Solution. Military Tribunals held, Due Process and 7.62 x 51mm justice served up at dawn on Memorial Day.</p>
<p>Done deal&#8230;no further debate or hand wringing. A fate determined and a lesson for Jihadis&#8230;<br />
no Media coverage just Justice done and GITMO closed, unless Pelosi wants to get a tan.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 15:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Big Zero&#039;s still speaking... no, make that pontificating.  The question from even his own Congress is simple.  &quot;What&#039;s the plan, Zero?&quot;

What does he give them?  Moral platitudes, sketchy analysis of what must have been a piss poor lawyer about rule of law.   i.e. the &quot;criminals&quot;, as he keeps calling them, must have their day in court and US federal laws and moral foundations upheld.

First of all, they aren&#039;t &quot;criminals&quot; and jihad isn&#039;t a law enforcement issue.  Secondly, if he&#039;s so all fired adamant of upholding law, how does he justify allowing those have trained in terror training camps, or affiliated with designated terror groups to enter the US?

If he does so... against current law... what happens if and when a US federal court, rejecting key evidence, doesn&#039;t convict them?  They are on US soil... are they free to apply for a job at the local Mickey D&#039;s?  Can they now fight any deportation attempts?  Afterall, the POTUS, himself, brought them in with utter disregard for US law.

Most of these men have never set foot on US soil.  Therefore I find it hard to believe they have broken &quot;federal&quot; laws as Obama portrays.  They are enemy combatants... not POWs.  They Waffen-SS.  There are merely gangs of thugs, bent on transforming borderless lands into third world country conditions under strict Shariah law.

What&#039;s really irritating is seeing the manifestation of our public education system in the past decades.  A &quot;pass the buck/it&#039;s all Bush&#039;s fault&quot; mentality stands before me, occupying my White House.  We have the perfect, whiny citizen with an out of control ego who believes he can do no wrong.  It&#039;s always someone else&#039;s fault.  Our POTUS.  And our fault for allowing our school system to churn out grads with irresponsibility and social justice as their diploma.

I am nauseated by what I hear coming from this man.  As I said, the question was simple, Zero.  What&#039;s the plan?  No one gets a plan, we get lectures on how awful the previous administration was... despite the fact he&#039;s still following almost every bit of it to the letter when it comes to detainees, indefinite detention, no Constitutional rights on Bagram soil (but not Gitmo?), and military commissions.

And those idiots in the audience can&#039;t figure that out.  They had their prozac for breakfast.

off planet please</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>The Big Zero&#8217;s still speaking&#8230; no, make that pontificating.  The question from even his own Congress is simple.  &#8220;What&#8217;s the plan, Zero?&#8221;</p>
<p>What does he give them?  Moral platitudes, sketchy analysis of what must have been a piss poor lawyer about rule of law.   i.e. the &#8220;criminals&#8221;, as he keeps calling them, must have their day in court and US federal laws and moral foundations upheld.</p>
<p>First of all, they aren&#8217;t &#8220;criminals&#8221; and jihad isn&#8217;t a law enforcement issue.  Secondly, if he&#8217;s so all fired adamant of upholding law, how does he justify allowing those have trained in terror training camps, or affiliated with designated terror groups to enter the US?</p>
<p>If he does so&#8230; against current law&#8230; what happens if and when a US federal court, rejecting key evidence, doesn&#8217;t convict them?  They are on US soil&#8230; are they free to apply for a job at the local Mickey D&#8217;s?  Can they now fight any deportation attempts?  Afterall, the POTUS, himself, brought them in with utter disregard for US law.</p>
<p>Most of these men have never set foot on US soil.  Therefore I find it hard to believe they have broken &#8220;federal&#8221; laws as Obama portrays.  They are enemy combatants&#8230; not POWs.  They Waffen-SS.  There are merely gangs of thugs, bent on transforming borderless lands into third world country conditions under strict Shariah law.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s really irritating is seeing the manifestation of our public education system in the past decades.  A &#8220;pass the buck/it&#8217;s all Bush&#8217;s fault&#8221; mentality stands before me, occupying my White House.  We have the perfect, whiny citizen with an out of control ego who believes he can do no wrong.  It&#8217;s always someone else&#8217;s fault.  Our POTUS.  And our fault for allowing our school system to churn out grads with irresponsibility and social justice as their diploma.</p>
<p>I am nauseated by what I hear coming from this man.  As I said, the question was simple, Zero.  What&#8217;s the plan?  No one gets a plan, we get lectures on how awful the previous administration was&#8230; despite the fact he&#8217;s still following almost every bit of it to the letter when it comes to detainees, indefinite detention, no Constitutional rights on Bagram soil (but not Gitmo?), and military commissions.</p>
<p>And those idiots in the audience can&#8217;t figure that out.  They had their prozac for breakfast.</p>
<p>off planet please</p>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, 

You&#039;ll love &lt;a href=&quot;http://shadow.foreignpolicy.com/node/22431&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=1e733cac-c273-48e5-9140-80443ed1f5e2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jack Goldsmith&#039;s spot-on piece in the &lt;em&gt;New Republic&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s a must-read:

   &lt;blockquote&gt; Former Vice President Cheney says that President Obama&#039;s reversal of Bush-era terrorism policies endangers American security. The Obama administration, he c&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/05/10/interview_with_fmr_vice_president_cheney_96430.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;harges&lt;/a&gt;, has &quot;moved to take down a lot of those policies we put in place that kept the nation safe for nearly eight years from a follow-on terrorist attack like 9/11.&quot; Many people think Cheney is scare-mongering and owes President Obama his support or at least his silence. &lt;strong&gt;But there is a different problem with Cheney&#039;s criticisms: his premise that the Obama administration has reversed Bush-era policies is largely wrong. The truth is closer to the opposite: The new administration has copied most of the Bush program, has expanded some of it, and has narrowed only a bit. Almost all of the Obama changes have been at the level of packaging, argumentation, symbol, and rhetoric. This does not mean that the Obama changes are unimportant. Packaging, argumentation, symbol, and rhetoric, it turns out, are vitally important to the legitimacy of terrorism policies. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Scott, </p>
<p>You&#8217;ll love <a href="http://shadow.foreignpolicy.com/node/22431" rel="nofollow">this</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>
<a href="http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=1e733cac-c273-48e5-9140-80443ed1f5e2" rel="nofollow">Jack Goldsmith&#8217;s spot-on piece in the <em>New Republic</em></a>. It&#8217;s a must-read:</p>
<blockquote><p> Former Vice President Cheney says that President Obama&#8217;s reversal of Bush-era terrorism policies endangers American security. The Obama administration, he c<a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/05/10/interview_with_fmr_vice_president_cheney_96430.html" rel="nofollow">harges</a>, has &#8220;moved to take down a lot of those policies we put in place that kept the nation safe for nearly eight years from a follow-on terrorist attack like 9/11.&#8221; Many people think Cheney is scare-mongering and owes President Obama his support or at least his silence. <strong>But there is a different problem with Cheney&#8217;s criticisms: his premise that the Obama administration has reversed Bush-era policies is largely wrong. The truth is closer to the opposite: The new administration has copied most of the Bush program, has expanded some of it, and has narrowed only a bit. Almost all of the Obama changes have been at the level of packaging, argumentation, symbol, and rhetoric. This does not mean that the Obama changes are unimportant. Packaging, argumentation, symbol, and rhetoric, it turns out, are vitally important to the legitimacy of terrorism policies. </strong></p></blockquote>
</blockquote>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 13:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can NOT WAIT to see the dueling speeches today.  So many gardening chores to do outside, great weather, but to watch Obama squirm and defend his carrying on of Bush policies while trying to bash Cheney....omg, 

-wait, WAIT!!!  OMG, I&#039;ve gotta go to the store and get more popcorn!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I can NOT WAIT to see the dueling speeches today.  So many gardening chores to do outside, great weather, but to watch Obama squirm and defend his carrying on of Bush policies while trying to bash Cheney&#8230;.omg, </p>
<p>-wait, WAIT!!!  OMG, I&#8217;ve gotta go to the store and get more popcorn!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Old Trooper</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/05/21/obama-eyes-%e2%80%98preventive-detention%e2%80%99-system/#comment-203209</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Trooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 13:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bill-tb..the day that I take orders from You is only in your dreams...
Believe it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>bill-tb..the day that I take orders from You is only in your dreams&#8230;<br />
Believe it.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Trooper</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2009/05/21/obama-eyes-%e2%80%98preventive-detention%e2%80%99-system/#comment-203208</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Trooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 13:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aye Chihuahua.... Amen...
Un Constitutional then and Now.

Obama, the Non Constitutional Scholar, most likely Non American Citizen, Affirmative Action Pretender in Chief.

Some city in Kenya is missing it&#039;s Village Idiot. They can find him in DC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Aye Chihuahua&#8230;. Amen&#8230;<br />
Un Constitutional then and Now.</p>
<p>Obama, the Non Constitutional Scholar, most likely Non American Citizen, Affirmative Action Pretender in Chief.</p>
<p>Some city in Kenya is missing it&#8217;s Village Idiot. They can find him in DC.</p>
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