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@Aqua: The big lie that Democrats have been pushing is that we punished Japanese soldiers for waterboarding as if what the Japanese did was the same as what our guys did to THREE TERRORISTS.

It’s an absurd comparison, but the lefties do like redefining reality to suit themselves.

I can’t find actual testimony from the trial of the Japanese soldier who is widely cited in this case, only a summary:

http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~warcrime/Japan/Yokohama/Reviews/Yokohama_Review_Asano.htm

Which states: “Specifications:beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; water torture; burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward.”

Our own troops at Abu Ghraib were prosecuted for far less.

Again, I want to repeat that we waterboarded JUST THREE TERRORISTS. If Dems had spent a fraction of the time they have caterwauling over this doing something like reading legislation before they vote on it we would all be better off.

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@Aqua:

The things that the Japanese did during WWII were unbelievable.

I just finished reading “Some Survived” a book about the Bataan Death March.

It was written by a gentlemen who was from the county that I grew up in and the things that those guys endured were brutal and inhuman.

Everything from being shot or bayoneted simply for stumbling or falling behind to starvation. When I say starvation I mean that 10 men were given one teaspoon full of uncooked rice (with bugs) to share amongst them.

Another example was when the prisoners, approx 1,100 of them, were crowded into a fenced tennis court, naked, and forced to stay there in the hot, direct sun for several days before being loaded into the hot, crowded, unventilated, horse manure filled hold of a cargo ship.

While on the ship, the prisoners died at a rate of 30 or more per day.

The suffering that these POW’s endured went on and on and on for the duration of the war.

Manny Lawton’s captivity lasted for more than three years. Less than 1/3 of his fellow prisoners survived the ordeal.

It was one of those books that I had to hurry and finish because the sensation of fear, dread, and suffering was overwhelming to me, the reader.

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You guys have some serious research power. Mike, I’ve never heard of the Japanese putting sticks up prisoners noses and pouring salt water down their mouths. Not that I don’t believe it happened, they did like to experiment. I know covering a prisoners mouth and forcing salt water up their nose did the same thing with an added bonus; it would flood the sinus cavity with salt water. Very painful.
It always amazes me that the Japanese want the U.S. to apoligize for the A-bomb, yet they refuse to even admit to their atrocities during WWII. The Philippine occupation was particularly heinous. Reports of rape and torture were incredible. Some reports recorded Japanese soldiers playing a game in which they tried to see who could toss and stack the most babies on a bayonet.

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On Sept 12, 2001, I remember crying at pictures of people jumping from the twin towers, at the picture of the US flag+US Marine flag+Bible that remained untouched, but surrounded by burned rooms and debris at the Pentagon. I remember on Oct 7, 2001, I visited the Shanksville crash site. I remember a month after the towers fell, there was a story about rescue dogs that had worked since 911, and were exhausted-clearly suffering because if they don’t find a survivor…vets say the dogs actually feel the loss more than human rescuers. I cried at all of those reports. I cried at the flags that flew, at the families, the funeral footage. I cried innumerable times-often with sadness, sometimes with fear, and sometimes with patriotic pride.

For my money…KSM, Bin Laden, those guys deserved what they got and a 3000 times more.

People have forgotten

Now it’s more pc to feel for the terrorists than to want them to burn in hell or get scared in Gitmo.

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@Flavor Country: I hope you learned something from the exchange. A lot of the folks on your side seem locked into a permanent brain freeze whereby the facts of what happened during the Bush years are pushed aside in favor of left wing talking points.

And as President Obama now adopts similar versions of the Bush policies he so recently derided, it must be very difficult to continue with the same talking points.

Do come back anytime and feel free to engage.

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And we appreciate the same from you, Flavor.

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Everyone makes good points, and I appreciate the dialogue. Also wanted to say thanks for not getting all wing-nutty and cussing me out or calling me every name in the book like on other sites.

Take Care, God Bless

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Flavor #13, I sure wish that historical truths traveled thru the media and blog world as fast as the myths…

This will be at least the third thread where we’ve had to go back and remind people of facts vs Dem mistruths and media lies. So you can catch up on the Torture Works thread INRE the truth of the Japanese “waterboarding” convictions….

Hint… not only did the Japanese not “waterboard”, it was not the only charge but for two. Of those, only one was convicted of water torture (not waterboarding), and that was primarily because it was done to a civilian, not a POW. You can find his story in an ensuing comment on the same thread.

CORRECTION: Aye’s original post on the Japanese stated the “civilian” part, while Morris was a USMC soldier. The three others? Not sure of their status. However what Asani did was *not* US waterboarding. END CORRECTION

INRE Cheney and your comment about “big patriot”… he is not instigating this divulgence of “need to know” information. Nor is he an advocate of putting the US citizen in a “need to know” security classification because it risks our service men and women, and our intel ops.

Cheney is instead *responding* to Obama’s voluntary release of intel operations that should have never been released.

The ACLU was demanding it, but a POTUS and CIC could easily hold that up in the courts for quite a long time as classified material. Obama chose to circumvent those court proceedings… maybe he’s just too tired from fighting releasing those classified birth docs and other stuff he’s never bothered to supply.

So instead he chose to release just what would rile up the O’faithful which stated the waterboarding of three detainees, but refuses to release what was gained from the intel operations. All of the sudden he has a conscience about exposing intel methods to the public…

too little, too late

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@Flavor Country: “You are telling me that the memo that supposedly exist that stopped that attack on the Library Tower was thwarted due to
water-boarding, that the Bush administration would not have released this info?”

There are at least TWO memos according to former V.P Cheney.

And President Bush DID discuss the issue here:

http://mikesamerica.blogspot.com/2006/09/bush-terrorist-interrogations-have.html

As for the waterboarding by the Japanese, it’s an entirely different matter:

The Japanese “water cure” was to “waterboarding” as practiced at Guantanamo what rape at knifepoint is to calling your secretary “honey.”

The Japanese version of “waterboarding” was to fill the prisoner’s stomach with water until his stomach was distended — and then pound on his stomach, causing the prisoner to vomit.

Or they would jam a stick into the prisoner’s nose so he could breathe only through his mouth and then pour water in his mouth so he would choke to death.

Or they would “waterboard” the prisoner with saltwater, which would kill him.

How many of the THREE TERRORISTS WHO WERE WATERBOARDED DIED???

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